November 20, 2017

A new economic plan for Ireland

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Unlike hosting the Rugby World Cup, the global economy is no longer an “all-or-nothing” game of nations pitted against each other where for one side to win the other must lose. It’s more nuanced.


Nor is the national economy like the national soccer team; in the global game for prosperity there are no qualifiers and no World Cup every four years. Rather there is constant competition, and two countries can win at the same time.


With the re-emergence of flag-waving and nativism in global politics, it’s easy to forget that countries and national economies can defy simple geopolitical definitions or groupings. Globalisation has allowed countries, particularly small countries, to escape the tyranny of geography.


For example, despite the political rhetoric of Ireland being at the “heart of Europe”, the truth is that Ireland isn’t really a European economy at all but an Atlantic economy, profoundly influenced by history, geography, language and culture.


Compared with any other EU country, Ireland is more exposed to Brexit, more open to American investment and more porous to Anglo/American commercial norms and innovations. In addition, our mercantile structure is held together by a shared English-language common law system.


A Trading State


Over the past two decades while we have become diplomatically and constitutionally closer to the EU, we have become economically and commercially closer to the American world. Close to 80 per cent of our total exports now come from US multinationals, and this figure is growing.


We’ve done well out of this economic promiscuity, servicing both sides with equal enthusiasm. American capital flowed in, as did European immigrants seeking better prospects.


Increasingly, Ireland looks less like a region of Europe and more like a trading hub off the continent’s west coast, akin to a medieval Hanseatic city state, an early 20th-century Shanghai or a 19th-century St Petersburg. The “trading state” has been a feature of economic history from ancient Alexandria to Dubrovnik.


Macron may have a bigger impact on Ireland than Brexit


Commercially, Ireland is more akin to a trading state than a nation state. The growth of services rather than manufacturing, the fall in transport costs, and the emergence of ecommerce have insured that Ireland is not on anyone’s periphery but at the centre of the globalised trading world.


However, playing this trading state game takes skill and vision.


We should aim to maintain a footloose commercial status in the face of the relentless march of harmonisation, the enemy of uniqueness.


Economic history tells us that others, usually bigger players, become jealous of the small trading state’s autonomy and move to strip it of its advantages, particularly if capital is moving consistently towards the smaller competitor. Remember, money is like water, it always moves to the place of least resistance.


To maintain this position as a home for international capital and a destination for international talent, our trading state must be deft and subtle, negotiating between the great powers rather than siding with one explicitly.

The Macron Factor


Over the years, I’ve often visualised Ireland as a jockey riding two horses: the continental EU horse and the Atlantic Anglo/American horse. When both horses are riding together, the jockey’s position is tenable.


For years, both horses ran together as the EU and the Anglo/American world were on the same track economically, socially and politically. But three forces – Brexit, US president Donald Trump and French president Emmanuel Macron – have changed the nature of the race.


The Brexit arguments have been well rehearsed elsewhere. In terms of individual countries, the UK is our single biggest trading partner. No other European country is as important to us.


Trump is a threat to our capital base because he wants to reduce US corporation taxes to coax American capital back home.


But while Trump wants to drop taxes, Macron wants to increase them. The greatest threat to Ireland’s trading state status is not the in-your-face, nativist, flag-wavers in Washington and London, but the behind-the-scenes, integrationist harmonisers in Brussels and, more importantly, in Paris.


Although we only do €9 billion of trade with France (which means we do more commerce in nine weeks with Britain than we do over a whole year with France), Macron may have a bigger impact on Ireland than Brexit.


Because of the dominance of the UK and the English language in Irish media, we receive a lot of UK-centric and, therefore, Brexit-obsessed news. However, in continental media, Brexit rarely holds the front page. For most Europeans, Brexit simply makes detached what was always semi-detached. In contrast, the EU’s own backyard has long been framed by the Franco-German relationship. This too is changing.


Even as German chancellor, Angela Merkel, pieces together her new coalition government, there is a sense that this will be her last hurrah. Across the Rhine, Macron realises this and sees an opportunity to remould Europe. Macron is the man of the moment and he realises he needs to construct a new rallying call to combat populism.


In the first round of the French elections, populism revealed itself on the extreme right and extreme left. In Germany, it materialised in the form of the Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) on the right. Meanwhile, the nationalist revolt in Catalonia has further undermined European harmony, which was once taken for granted, particularly in Brussels.


Further east, reactionaries and nationalists with values that run contrary to core EU positions on migration and racial tolerance are in power across a vast territorial arc from Stettin in Poland to Bratislava in Slovakia and on to Budapest. In the old imperial capital of Vienna, an anti-immigrant electoral surge has propelled the extreme right to power.


Macron sees these difficulties within the EU as the signal for regeneration of the European project, a siren call made more acute by the anti-EU developments of Brexit and Trump’s presidency. Be under no illusion: British and American nativism supports European populism implicitly and, in less guarded moments, explicitly.


The French president envisages a more integrated EU economy, more adept at combating the US and Asia.


Macron’s European regeneration means “more Europe”, that is tax harmonisation and particularly corporate tax harmonisation. It will not just be about the rate at which corporate tax is levied, but also be about the way tax is assessed. For services such as Google ads, this implies the tax will be levied in the country where the ad is placed, as opposed to where Google is domiciled, which is Ireland.


Commercially, the new Europe will be the gospel according to EU competition commissioner Margrethe Vestager, made flesh in the guise of Macron.

Ireland’s call


What do all these developments mean for Ireland – the 21st-century trading state?


We must make a choice. We can stay outside the new integrationist EU, using our veto to block any changes to our tax code, but this confrontation risks siding with tax avoiders or “corporate deserters” as former US president, Barack Obama, described them. In addition, “Official Ireland” is unlikely to step off the integrationist wagon even if an economically deeper Europe is not in our interest.


Is there any way Ireland can use the tumult in the years ahead to our advantage, remaining a premier destination for mobile capital, investment, and talent? Can we remain a trading state, like the Hanseatic cities, ensuring our citizens are prosperous?


Yes, we can.


What about proposing that multinationals take the difference between what they owe and ought to pay, roughly €9 billion, and pay this to us in shares?


It is possible but we must take the lead and redefine the relationship between the nation state and international companies. Unless you believe globalisation is about to come to a shuddering halt, investment will remain global, corporations’ supply chains will remain multinational, and – as noted – money will move like water to the place of least resistance.


Here’s the way the system works now.


The multinational sets up in a country, creating jobs, and paying as little tax as it can. The company gets access to the market and the country gets jobs and tax. In the case of Ireland, our attraction is enhanced by the fact that multinationals based here have the concession to trade with the EU. It’s a free pass.


We get only tax and jobs and if we don’t have the local talent to fill the jobs, educated Europeans come without needing visas or any such-like that Brexit threatens.


Tax and wages are income, but the real question is what happens to the wealth of the multinationals? The distinction between income and wealth in economics is one of the least well understood by politicians, which is not surprising because income is short-term and so too is politics. Wealth is longer-term and inheritable.


The lion’s share of the riches made by multinationals goes to shareholders in the form of rising share prices and dividends. Only a tiny fraction goes back to workers in the form of income and to the host state in the form of taxes.


What we want


The tumult in the world gives Ireland a chance to change this system in a way that all Irish people might benefit and in a way multinationals could embrace.


We could reinvent the relationship between the state and the corporation. In so doing, we could remain fully European but with an American sense of corporate innovation that would enrich all Irish citizens. Investment would flow in here, mirroring that of the successful city-states of the past.

BEA Analysis

According to the US Bureau of Economic Analysis, American multinationals in 2014 made $113 billion (or €96 billion) profit in Ireland. Our corporation tax rate is 12.5 per cent, so they should be paying about €12 billion a year in tax. But they paid only €3.25 billion. This means that about almost €9 billion is missing because these companies use a myriad of loopholes to avoid even our low rates of tax.


The net is tightening, and companies such as Apple are moving money to offshore structures to avoid tax. But these companies know they are on the wrong side of global opinion, and they want a way out.


Deals are done when both sides have something to gain from reaching an agreement.


Multinationals in Ireland want a new deal which minimises their immediate tax outgoings while being tax compliant.


What do we want?


We want them to stay here, but we want something more. We want a share in their wealth, not just wages and tax income.


What about proposing that multinationals take the difference between what they owe and ought to pay, roughly €9 billion, and pay this to us in shares? We then set up an Irish sovereign wealth fund with about that figure every year in the shares of multinationals based here. These are the shares of the best performing companies in the world across some of the fastest growing sectors of the global economy. This fund could grow rapidly, creating a real source of wealth for this country, which could be between €110 billion and €140 billion over a decade – €23,000 per Irish person.


In such a way, we could treat the multinational presence as akin to an oil find, as Norway has banked its oil windfall. In this way, we don’t just get income, we share in the wealth of the companies and we put aside this wealth for future generations – into a fund that can’t be used to finance day-to-day Government spending.


Nor would this fund necessarily be used to fund pensions; it could be used as a start-up fund. The Irish economy needs a vibrant start-up scene and not just a multinational sector. Pledging liquid shares of globally traded companies as collateral against investment funds for start-ups would lead to a surge in local innovation.


The attraction to multinationals is that it is exactly how they pay their workers now: in a combination of wages and share options. They would be paying the host country in a similar split between tax and share options. In addition, this initiative reduces their immediate tax bill, which drops immediately into their bottom line.


Politically, this is a form of wealth redistribution in a country with significant levels of wealth inequality. It would give all Irish citizens a stake they don’t have.


It gets us out of a potential scrap with Brussels, turning the threats of Trump and Brexit into a huge opportunity and putting us one step ahead of Europe, while keeping both feet firmly within the EU.


Geo-strategically, converting unpaid and future taxes into shares would place Ireland at the cutting edge of globalisation.


Ireland would become a leader in framing a new relationship between the nation state and the global multinational.


  1. Grzegorz Kolodziej

    It’s an ok article from Mr McWilliams, who reiterates his points from earlier columns. The article has some very discerning observations as well as some striking weaknesses.
    One thing I’d like to notice is that when he says “Further east, reactionaries and nationalists with values that run contrary to core EU positions on migration”, this has to be put in a more precise way (btw – I’m not sure if he realises that by using a word “reactionaries” he uses the language of the Nazis): the countries of central and eastern Europe positions run not as much against the EU rules as against the specific core EU countries (and their neo-colonial strategies) – the Carolingian Europe – and that it’s the core countries of the EU – Germany, France, and Benelux (not eastern Europe) – who are more against the single market (i.e. in the area of postal workers – France – or goods: i.e. Germany opposes the single market for goods, and in eastern Europe (Germany’s biggest export market in the world), their companies sell the same products for higher prices and with lower quality (which is not only their view, but it was even officially confirmed by the EU Commission):


    “In the old imperial capital of Vienna, an anti-immigrant electoral surge has propelled the extreme right to power” – that’s true, but that would not have happened if it wasn’t for the lunacy of Ms Merkel, who decided to breach both the EU and German law in order to fill the demographic gap on the German job market (again, a proof that it is the core EU countries that go against the core EU values), which gap threatens the German pensions system (that she failed spectacularly is another cup of tea, and, i.e., in a Bombardier factory on German border with Poland people turned up for work from countries like Poland, Ukraine, Netherlands, England – but, despite 15,000 so-called “refugees” living in town where the factory operates, ZERO “refugees” turned up for work (even though they were looking for 200 non-qualified workers) – so that type of immigrants won’t rescue the generous German pension system – as I have been warning from the get-go).

    “Macron sees these difficulties within the EU as the signal for regeneration of the European project” – how can Micron regenerate Europe if he is unable to regenerate France? Paris is one of the least safe places to live in Europe (certainly more unsafe than any eastern European capital); the quality of life in Paris is – in the latest Expats ranking – the worst of all major towns in Europe (with Dublin the second worst, and second worst in the w o r l d for housing opportunities); France occupies the bottom part of the PISA ratings; it’s one of the most indebted countries; and it’s world most anti-Semitic country, according to Israeli researchers. As if that wasn’t enough, Micron has the lowest popularity of ALL French presidents, and it is far less popular in France than Donald Trump in the US (in fact, I suffer from the impression that out of places in Europe, Micron is most popular in south Dublin). So to say that a leader of such country can regenerate Europe is like saying that syphilis can regenerate a prostitute.

    Mr McWilliams writes: “We can stay outside the new integrationist EU, using our veto to block any changes to our tax code, but this confrontation risks siding with tax avoiders or “corporate deserters” as former US president Barack Obama described them.” – I don’t understand why, for the last 13 years, it didn’t occur to Mr McWilliams that Ireland could also ally on that with countries who are against tax harmonisation, have low corporation taxes, and are not tax avoiders as Luxembourg or the Netherlands are – that is all eastern Europe (who has contrasting interests in some areas, but it’s united on that front) and Finland.

    Mr McWilliams writes: “The distinction between income and wealth in economics is one of the least well understood by politicians,” – this is one of those discerning observations by Mr McWilliams, and all I can say is that they are some economic, calculable indicators that indicate (as indicators do ;-) that even in the Celtic Tiger, when incomes in Ireland were much higher than in the Netherlands, the accumulated wealth in the Netherlands doubled the one in Ireland: and this doesn’t even take the cost of living into account,

    “Only a tiny fraction goes back to workers in the form of income and to the host state in the form of taxes.” – sometimes it’s even worse than that: one of the sweet deals that the pharmaceuticals had with the Irish government was that not only their taxes would be a fraction of what they would have to pay if the EU laws were to applies to where the incomes earned as opposed to where a company is domiciled, but also that their products will be more expensive in Ireland than anywhere else: there are some medicines who cost double and triple here not only of what they cost in Germany or eastern Europe, but even of what they cost in the UK; I remember that in 2005 the cost of buying Melatonin in Ireland was 17 times (seventeen) of what it was in Poland.

    “This fund could grow rapidly, creating a real source of wealth for this country, which could be between €110 billion and €140 billion” – David, the Irish politicians ALREADY had that kind of money at their disposal during the Celtic Tiger, and what did they spend it on? Benchmarking, pensions for civil servants and giving loans to their friends (via their friends in the banks) to purchase worlds most expensive houses on Shrewsbury Road. “If I have it, I’ll spend it”.

    One thing is to have those shares, other thing is to invest them wisely rather then use them towards growing the assets bubble (remember your own article “Imperial Spain’s lessons for us”). If there is more money in the economy, but this money is spent on dilapidated houses for fifty million and green-fields in Dublin city centre for 400 millions rather than invested, than all what that extra money would do for a normal citizens is to increase the prices for ordinary citizens, and for a country as a whole, to increase the imports.

    ““Sixteenth-century Spain was awash with these rags-to-riches stories, and gold robbed from Latin America paid for everything. A monumental mass of gold and silver crossed the Atlantic between 1540 and 1580. In 1564 alone,154 ships, each carrying over 200 tons, docked in Seville. In the 50 years after the death of Atahualpa, the total amount of gold and silver in Europe increased fivefold. Almost every single ounce passed through Imperial Spain.
    One would have thought that, given their windfall, the Spaniards would have been the richest people in Europe by the end of the century. But amazingly, Spain blew it. The impact of the flow of gold was felt elsewhere.
    The Dutch, in particular, benefited enormously from Spanish gold.
    There was hardly any lasting positive effect on the Spanish economy.
    How did Spain manage to waste one of the biggest financial windfalls in human history? And are there any lessons for Ireland in the history of the Spanish gold rush?
    Spain went on an almighty bender.
    The Spaniards proved themselves to be better at spending money than saving the stuff, and acted like renaissance lotto winners, blowing their new money on anything they could get their hands on. They bought spices from the Orient, clothes from Italy, guns and firearms from anywhere.
    Gold flowed out of the country. With their new credit, nothing was too expensive. “
    David McWilliams, Imperial Spain’s lessons for us, January 3, 2010
    Rather than voting for a politicians that promises me that he will convince Donald Trump to allow the Irish to have shares in the companies that he wants to bring back to the US anyway, I’d rather vote for a politician that promises me blood, sweat and tears, and a) tells people about the true state of the economy, by including housing/rent figures into the inflation/purchasing power/economic growth statistics and b) makes sure that the state does what the state is supposed to do, which is efficient policing (in totally disarmed Ireland, there are 6 times more gun murders per head than in England), army, courts and diplomacy (interestingly, the states that overspend, usually end up with a situation where it cannot deliver in those areas that the night-watch state was strong – see the non-go zones in Sweden:

    “Geo-strategically, converting unpaid and future taxes into shares would place Ireland at the cutting edge of globalisation.” – Mr McWilliams was proposing that 7 years ago, and not once, not twice, but on multiple occasions. Did he try to talk some politicians into it (given that hold some sway over them – as on the bank guarantee night), and if so, what was their reaction?
    If he is hoping that one of politicians would follow his advice against other politicians, then he doesn’t take into account that not only the politicians have vested interest in, i.e., in keeping the bubble grow, but core voters too (as they own houses, and are happy to be deluded by the illusion of wealth bubbles are creating).
    If he does take this vested interested of politicians and some voters into account, then what’s his election winning strategy for any party with his programme? – or does he think that Leo will do all of that that he proposes (and what makes him put his faith in Leo? – sure Leo wasn’t even able to privatise the Dublin Bus, which he had promised – so he couldn’t convince the Dublin Bus, and Mr McWilliams thinks Mr Varadkar can convince the EU, the UK and President Donald Trump?

    It’s very difficult to win election in Ireland on deleveraging agenda, and deleveraging is necessary to keep that investment in Ireland as Ireland is sliding in the competitiveness rating due to cost of doing business (the key cost of which are the property houses: if I was Mercedes or Tesla, I wouldn’t move production to a country where it cost a gazillion euro to rent an office, and where for thousand euro, all what my workers can rent is this:


  2. Grzegorz Kolodziej

    So the Anti-Irish Times have once again proved that they are the toilet paper of reference, publishing once again completely false information and refusing to publish my clarification.
    Here is the truth they were scared of this time:

    “In his article (November 13), Mr Derek Scally writes that “Poland’s post-war communist leadership renounced the right to reparations in 1953, a position reiterated by Warsaw ahead of EU accession in 2004.” This is factually incorrect: in 2004, the Polish Parliament voted unanimously to seek compensation from Germany for damages suffered during World War II. He also writes: “Berlin has dismissed all reparations claims on the basis of the 1953 decision by Warsaw”. I wonder how Berlin could do that, considering that the 1953 decision by the USSR-occupied Warsaw only concerned the USSR-occupied East Germany. Mr Scally writes that “the Radical People’s Front (ONR), has ties to the skinhead scene, and shares a name with a pre-war organisation that persecuted Jews” – does he know that the leader of the ONR, Jan Mosdorf, died in the Nazi German concentration camp Auschwitz for rescuing the Jews during WWII?”

    Speaking of racism, in the very recent past, the Chairman of “The Irish Times” called the “Irish Times” editor a “white nigger”. But then again, maybe he was right?

    And speaking of “The Irish Times” and their approach freedom of speech, the exchange between the journalist of “The Irish Independent” and the reply of “The Anti-Irish Times”:

    And by the way, only in the “Anti-Irish Times” you’ll see that kind of headline:

  3. Best of luck with the Irish Times David.

  4. I I believe Davids opinions are simplistic . I am reminded of the shoe boy who ggave advise to the stock broker what shares to buy and we all know what happened immediately after that …Wall Street collapsed .

    CComparing Norwegian Fund Management ( Government controlled ) and a proposed nnewley defined private corporate fund management ( Irish style) is like chalk and cheese and telling the punter they both taste the same. Remember the ODCE ( ccorporate police) is effectively defunct and a non entity . Wild West and wagon mmedicines for sale seems more like it .

    Understanding Tax is about feeding the tribe that made the wealth and any form of corporatism without people control and benefit is not tax and is more akin to
    deleveraging of sovereignty.

    Macron has policies akin to General De Gaul only this time it embraces City Banking that empower the people in France for the benefit of France .

    • Compare this where currently certain Irish companies controlled by Irish people provide defined services in Ireland and receive 90% of all their takings directly from the Irish government and be allowed legally transfer all their extraordinary surplus profits to offshore locations and then managed those extraordinary funds elsewhere eg New York on foreign projects .

      And all this is original earned Irish Taxpayers monies enriching foreign jurisdictions .So much said for slimy Irish Tax ( never published by the Irish media on budget day )and Irish corporate laws .

    • European Banking Authority

      As I was saying moments before Macron won ‘the coin trick’ and relocating the European Banking Authority to Paris his: policies are real and they do work. It was the hand of his mentor the late Paul Ricoeur an esteemed philosopher that made that deal possible.

      The toss of a coin is not luck it is a trick .

  5. barrym

    Didn’t I see recently that Norway’s wealth fund are getting out of oil? However, the principle is good, and likely to be acceptable to M. Macron?

    Not sure that Mr Trump will see it the same way. With his economic lunacy he will need even more need to repatriate US multinational’s “missing money”

  6. Original-Ed

    Ruth Coppinger has a much simpler approach – Nationalise the Multinationals.

    Kamikaze is the ultimate equaliser.

    • Grzegorz Kolodziej

      As 1/5 of Irish workers are employed by multinationals, nationalisation of multinationals means that the unemployment goes up by 1/5 – worse then during the recession (that only ended in big towns) and as bad as in the 1980s: you can nationalise the multinationals but you cannot force them to stay here, even more so because most of their taxable revenue comes from goods produced in other countries, so leaving Ireland would be a doddle for them. Nationalising multinationals is like letting your house to Gypsies: they can “nationalise” your family silvers and your wallet, but they cannot force you to rent the house for them for the next 30 years.

      As the multinational companies pay 80% of corporation tax in Ireland, nationalising them doesn’t mean that Ireland gets 12.5% tax instead of 3.38% effective tax rate they are paying, but it means that Ireland gets 0% instead of 3.38% (as they would all leave).

      US companies alone pay €2 billion of corporation tax in Ireland each year and their operations in Ireland provide about 100,000 direct jobs.

      When Bolsheviks nationalised Russian industries, it immediately led to a famine comparable to the Great Famine in Ireland (the only difference was that unlike Ireland, normal people couldn’t emigrate from the USSR and tell the reporters about it), so much so that Lenin had to abandon it and replace it with NEP, allowing for small private enterprises to fill the gaps the nationalised industries could not provide for.

      As to People Before Profit alliance, I respect Ms Coppinger for some of her actions (i.e. anti-NAMA and anti-Goldman Sachs protests), but non-Dublin based readers of this blog should be informed in the Big Smoke – the only EU capital with rental properties with 64 people (compared to that, prison accommodation is luxurious) and with €1k garden sheds in Drimnagh – the People Before Profit Alliance and the Green Party have made party motions that propose reducing the maximum heights of buildings (from a riduculously low 24 metres), thus favouring urban sprawl and long car commutes (thanks to which Greens and their sprawl policies while in government with Fianna Fail, Ireland’s CO2 emissions are third highest in the EU). Only the strict city centre and parks should have height restrictions: the rest should have no height restrictions, like in first world countries – I think that if America or City had height restrictions, New York and London wouldn’t be more of a financial centre than Tallaght is.

      So either through sheer stupidity or through acting on behalf of the developers, the Madness Before Reason Alliance is supporting the growth of the property bubble and the unhumane conditions in houses in Dublin, where greedy landlords avail of the fact that thanks to height restrictions there is fuck all apartments to rent in Dublin.

      P.S. A Tallaght girl goes to the council to register for child benefit “How many children?” asks the council worker “10″ replies the Tallaght girl
      “10???” says the council worker.. “What are their names?”
      “Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne
      and Wayne”
      “Doesn’t that get confusing?”
      “Naah…” says the Tallaght girl “its great because if they are out
      playing in the street I just have to shout WAAYNE,YER DINNER’S READY
      or WAAYNE GO TO BED NOW and they all do it…”
      “What if you want to speak to one individually?” says the perturbed
      council worker.
      “That’s easy,” says the girl… “I just use their surnames”

    • Deco

      Ruth at one point declared that the employees needed to take over Starbucks from the owners.

      Now, what interest does the state running a coffee chain, serve ?

      And of course, we must also recognise that Garrett the Good-for-nothing also did exactly that at a time when the state was borrowing recklessley, in a previous decade.

      Ruth is bonkers.

  7. Very interesting and creative yet not without some extraordinary risks. When you align a government with the interests of a company you will fundamentally change the behavior of both. In time, high-risk companies will seek to locate here, creating taxation revenue streams, soon we will be courting them. Other jurisdictions will compete. Share classes will be adjusted. Soon the entity dispensing the goodies will be in control. I would not bet on governments winning out in the end at all. I would be fearful that government would soon become captured by corporate special interests. How would you regulate a sector, when new laws would shut down a company or operation the state has a vested interest in. Think Las Vegas! Taxation should be collected at the transaction level. The equity of the state in the activities of enterprises is captured through the interests & wealth of its citizens. Loopholes should be shut down aggressively. International companies should be encouraged to source services locally and cross-pollinate local enterprises. I would give tax breaks based on the number of employees living in development zone etc, Employee ownership schemes, woman working. Less, smarter government.

  8. Daithi7

    Yeah, a provocative idea, not without some merit, but massively fraught with risk.

    1. The EU & Ecb would try to change the rules when we can’t refuse to raid this sovereign wealth fund

  9. Daithi7

    2. Yes, we are again a thriving,trading state with a recovering balance sheet and that is great, but we are also in tax & other competition with other EU trading states e.g. Denmark, The Netherlands & the UK (who may go rogue within a decade)

  10. Daithi7

    3. Yes, Tax is a direct cost to multinationals, but so are shares, &/or share options (albeit usually at a cheaper cost of finance), so we cannot just magic the tax multinationals ‘ought to pay’. The fact is they don’t pay this level of tax code we and many, many competing nations don’t and probably can’t charge it. Otherwise they go elsewhere

  11. Daithi7

    4. Would I trust our politicians & senior civil servants with a sovereign w wealth fund? Frankly no. Ahem what happened to the last one!?

  12. Daithi7

    5. Ireland currently charges underfunded private pensions to fund over inflated public salaries & pensions, to do what the author is suggesting requires an integrity in governance that simply has not been evident in Ireland to date.

    Norway manage their sovereign wealth fund at a redone from central government he’d and outside of the EU, this proposal would have to find a way to craft such a level of structure and I integrity in governance in structure s,… Good luck with that!!!

    P.s. Excuse the multiple posts, as unforyunately there is no edit facility and formating from my phone is not that easy.

  13. Deco

    Merkel is probably about to get turfed out by the CDU.

    Merkel has fibbed and lied for years, and it is no longer working. She is a massive electoral liability.

    And at this point in time, she has ruined relationships between Germany and most countries in Europe.

    The only problem is the face saving effort that will be required in the media. That is preventing a frank and honest discussion.

    In the interim, Macron is enjoying the limelight. And he is liable to produce anything that will move investment to France – or countries that operate with high costs, and high levels of state interventionism.

  14. Deco

    I think we all know where this will end up.

    Various MNCs will sign over shares.

    And the public sector unions will demand even fatter pensions.

    The proposal might be seen as a bailout of the massive public sector deficit.

    But David is now on the public payroll, effectively in Trinners. So, I suppose he will be expected to go along with this.

    The problem, as an outright chancer declared many eyars ago, is that the state system is living way beyond it’s means. And this is a reflection of ambition, and dishonesty.

    So, I am opposed to the idea, until we have an honest grown up conversation about the excess that is rampant in their entire state system.

    • michaelcoughlan

      “So, I am opposed to the idea, until we have an honest grown up conversation about the excess that is rampant in their entire state system”

      Yes. And lets say he shares are held in a national trust fund. So the next time the fianna failures, me feiners, fine jailers, right up their own arses or the left behind in the dark ages stear the whole place off a cliff what’s to stop any of them from raiding the honey pot to buy off everyone?

      A good idea but the kitty would have to be ring fenced from the aratchaptiks in Fail Eireann in the first instance.

  15. roughly €9 billion, and pay this to us in shares?

    And the existing shareholders will agree to this of course. Every issue of new shares dilutes the value of the existing shares. Usually the issuance of new shares means the infusion of cash (paid for the shares) used to fund development and growth of the company, and it is hoped add to the wealth and performance of the corporation. The above proposal will not do this.
    In the case of simply issuing shares as a payoff it means all existing shareholders can expect a lower value. In many cases a successful corporation uses profit to reinvest in itself and buys back existing shares thus enhancing the value of the existing shareholders.

    A corporation that pays its executive with shares and warrants is simply not making enough profit to be able to pay the extra salary/bonuses in cash and not a sound investment.

  16. Mike Lucey

    David seems to be stuck on this idea. It’s been offered by him on a number of occasions and ripped asunder here.

    While it looks promising on the face of it, it really doesn’t fully stand up to scrutiny. David needs to take onboard the valid points made here and resubmit a revised plan that addressing the pitfalls pinpointed.

  17. terence patrick hewett

    “In the end, more than freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all – security, comfort, and freedom. When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again.”

  18. Metropolitan Hillbilly

    A creative idea David but it needs tweaking. A sovereign wealth fund? A non-runner just look at the scams that operate with the National Lottery (the fastest method to move wealth from Coolock to Foxrock via the golf club) the ultimate tax on stupidity.

    An individualized wealth fund using ISA/IRA/401K type pension shelters for share/stock/ETFs would deliver real wealth to the ordinaryIndividuals who make up this State. Make it compulsory to open an ISA account (similar to the SSIAs) when starting work and allow it to be tax sheltered until retirement.

    The wealth generated from such a system would make the Norwegian model look like chump change. It would also be free from pilfering by idiot politicians focused on re-election with taxpayer funded cash. Finally it would educate ordinary taxpayers on the real tangible benefits of Capitalism and who knows even the Ruth Coppingers of this world may be able to advance from remedial economics 101.

    • Deco

      It is hard for Coppinger to cop on, when her career as a socialist depends on promising something for nothing, for those that mark her name on a ballot paper.

      Coppinger is just as greedy as any capitalist.

      Coppinger is just as much a liar as any advertising blitz.

      Socialism as a career, needs gobsh1tes to identify with her and support her endeavours to extort from others for redistribution to those that keep her in a career.

      She is a first rate hypocrite, who knows how to enrich herself with Trotskyite loud mouthing.

  19. Deco

    Merkel, hypocrisy, virtue signalling, lies, and never admiiting to mistakes.

    Mike Shedlock takes Merkel to task for her “Carbon virtue signalling and posturing” hypocrisy.

    Trump is honest about coal. Merkel is pushing coal to an even greater extent than Merkel…and….engaging in posturing to cover it all up.

    And the Irish media are joining in, giving reverential endorsements of a liar.

    Also, it should be noted that Macron is keeping his word on the matter. And so are the British Tories. Both are following through policies that they advcate, with their own policy framework.

    The best thing that could happen for German industry is…to lose Merkel.

    And that is to say nothing of the strained relationships she has left with most of Germany’s neighbours, and much of the Eurozone.

    And then there is Germany’s internal security, which has no become an ongoing disaster.

    Germany needs rid of Merkel, for Germany’s sake.

    Though you are told the exact opposite by the Irish media, who continue to laud an incompetent fool.

    • Truthist



      Tony Brogan is an authority on the Bankster Scam Bundle
      Yee spurn being edified from him at yer peril !


  20. Truthist

    NEAR ;
    FAR …

  21. Truthist

    Apropos of the traitors to Ireland :
    Sinn — George Soros — Fein
    Fianna — Mehole Martin — Fail
    Fianna — Gay — Gael
    Labor does not work
    Aunty Ass Dorothy Dalliance
    So-called Independents

    Most likely that despite the volume of kinky sex that they are getting [ Hetero, Homo, Bi-Orgies, & sadly pedophile sex too ; Yes ! ], it is clear that it all unsatisfying for them ;
    Were it satisfying for them, they would be satisfied, & not constantly betraying the country in their various ways :
    power games

    inter alia


  22. vincent

    Apparently it is mathematically impossible to pay off the so called National Debt{Mathematically Perfected Economy}, if this is the case surely tackling anything other than this is secondary…

    • Yes I am afraid it is true for the world as a whole. The gross national product is less than the annual payments of servicing all the debts. Thus the debt can only increase. As it can never be paid off it will not be. As it will never be paid all those who count as an asset that which has to be repaid actually have no asset at all, just an unpayable IOU worth next to nothing at all.

      All debtors will be relieved of debt and all wealthy(??) people owning financial assets will lose their wealth. This is the coming great reset. Debtors used to be jailed but there is not enough room to jail 90% of the world!!
      As an example think of bonds. Many owe payments and many others own the bonds. The borrower who cannot pay makes the bond worthless!!

  23. “A new economic plan for Ireland”, is the heading. Many fallacious ideas are presented but all from a perspective that the economy is run, controlled and operated by the government and its adherents.

    Nowhere is the idea promulgated that the economy is basically the sum of actions, taken in their own self interest, by individuals. Therefore individuals should be given the maximum amount of freedom with which to make those decisions.

    One of the largest inhibitors of individual freedom is the adoption of the EU by its member states. All EU citizens are now subject to rules, laws and regulations they neither voted for or wanted. Day after day, weak after weak, year after year, the bureaucracy binds and enmeshes the individual further and further.

    Suggesting that anything can be done to change , never mind improve, a nation’s economy is actually laughably ludicrous. Such is the educational shortcomings of our illustrious economists.

    Unrecognised by the remainers is the simple reason behind the Brexit movement. Enough people have seen the fallacy of the EU socialised economy, institutions and governance that they want their freedom returned. Brexit has been painted as an economic disaster but it can not be so. The disaster is in fact the EU. I am not gainsaying international trade agreement and I am in favour of free trade. But free trade between individuals firstly and then between corporations and then independent nation states. The European nations would be far better off in a free trade agreement without the unitary political overlay. Brexit is a move for more freedom through less government. It is what Ireland should do as its first move to improve it economy. The next would be to purge the rules and regulations that constrict the economic movement of the individual. The reminder is that the best government is the least government.

    Here is a brilliant speech by Danial Hannan before a US audience comparing the EU constitution with the US constitution. He compares a free economy with a controlled economy. He explains how Britain will prosper trading with the individual European states and the rest of the world outside the confines of the EU better than within.

    The first thing to do is for Ireland to also Exit the EU and reclaim its ancient native rights and sovereignty. This is a sovereignty fought and defended for 800 years lost and finally regained only to be surrendered within two generations without a shot being fired.

    Published on Jun 11, 2017
    Daniel Hannan is a Member of the European Parliament representing South East England.

    Mr. Hannan’s lecture is part of Hillsdale College’s National Leadership Seminar.

    Watch more from this NLS at

    Hillsdale College National Leadership Seminars are held in various locations across the country two to three times each year and address issues of politics, economics, and culture.

    The first program was held in Colorado Springs, Colorado, in 1982 with about 200 business, education, and community leaders in attendance. Since then, more than 30,000 individuals have attended the programs.

    The messages of these conferences have reached millions of Americans through Hillsdale’s national speech digest, Imprimis, as well as through coverage by media outlets including Newsweek, the Wall Street Journal, C-SPAN, and National Public Radio.

    Learn more about Hillsdale College at
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    • Plymouth settlers found that the best economic plan was to allow each person to be responsible for themselves and they abandoned the ideas of a collective with everyone working for the common good as they , under that process, were literally starving to death.

      “What happened was simple. Now people knew that their survival, and that of their family, relied entirely on their own production. They knew that whatever excess they grew or manufactured would benefit them rather than being given to someone who hadn’t worked as hard. This got more people into the fields to work. And of course, the excess production still benefited the whole of the colony. People could now specialize and trade, meaning more wealth for everyone. Now it paid to innovate.”

    • “This Thanksgiving(US) we can be thankful that Plymouth Plantation set the tone for individual freedom. They tried an experiment in government, and it paid off.

      Be thankful for freedom.”

      There is the economic plan. Set everyone free . Equal opportunity but allow the fruits of labour to be disbursed as each sees fit.
      i.e. Get the government, rules and regulations, bureaucratic meddling, out of the economy.

  24. Truthist

    The Context of the Planning ;

  25. Grzegorz Kolodziej

    How CNN fake news is made and spread – Poland independence day march:

    As I said earlier, all CNN journalists should be treated as potential terrorists (like Antifa – officially recognised as a terrorist organisation under some jurisdictions).

    • coldblow

      I haven’t seen the link but I imagine they represented them all as extremists. TV Libertés’s I-Media programme did a recent piece about it.

      • Grzegorz Kolodziej

        Misrepresenting them all as extremists is one thing – making the news headline based on a banner that CNN actually invented (CNN falsely claimed that the march was displaying a banner “Holocaust to all Muslims”) – and later admitted that they made it up (at least CNN, when really forced, retracts some of their lies – “The Anti-Irish Times” never does) – is a different cup of tea altogether. That all the mainstream, including BBC, repeated that after CNN is yet another level.
        I’ll get back to you on Austria and the disinformative language later on during the week.
        We have almost the worst of the Irish weather – damp and cold (the absolutely worst is damp, wet and windy). I feel s…t when it’s so damp.
        London’s climate is relatively dry compared to that. I remember that when I once went over there in October, there was 24 degree in London and 14 (with the wind, that felt like 4) in Dublin.
        P.S. There is now strong evidence that a small group (a dozen people perhaps) who indeed had racist banner was from Antifa.
        In fact, they were later neutralised by the other participants of the Independence March. Why that doesn’t surprise me.

  26. Grzegorz Kolodziej

    “Further east, reactionaries and nationalists with values that run contrary to core EU positions on migration and racial tolerance are in power across a vast territorial arc from Stettin in Poland to Bratislava in Slovakia and on to Budapest.” – it’s understandable that writing for “The Anti-Irish Times”, David has to dance to their tune (“racial intolerance” – where did he take that particular fake news from?!) – otherwise, they won’t pay him. Btw, the proper name of Stettin is Szczecin, as the name of Kingstown is Dún Laoghaire:

    Poland: Nationalism Rising | Tommy Robinson and Stefan Molyneux:

  27. coldblow


    You say above that David uses the language of the Nazis when he uses the word ‘reactionary’. By coincidence I am reading Goetz Ali’s (fairly) recent Unser Kampf again and yesterday had marked off this quote (which I translate):

    “Reactionary [wrote an anonymous Nazi student in Feb 1932] is he who tries to hold back artificially the powers that are shaping the future… Reactionary is also he who sacrifices to the capitalist Moloch and who, blinded, persuades the German Folk that West-European liberal democracy is the only way to happiness.”

    You might remember Ali on that YouTube video where other former 68ers argue against his thesis that the 68ers had shared the same destructive ideas and methods as their parents’ generation in their youth (as young Nazis).

    I was mildly amused when the progressives unearthed the word reactionary about a year ago. I had associated it only with the repressive governments of western and central Europe in the years immediately following the 1815 Vienna Conference. It was also used in the history books of my youth to describe (I think) some of the governments of Eastern Europe. Now David is using it.

    Is the new Austrian government ‘extreme Right’ as he claims? I don’t think anything we have at the moment is remotely comparable to what we *could* have in the future and if that is what we get we can blame the deceitful and deceived progressives who have created the conditions in their idiotic drive towards Utopia.

    • coldblow

      The latest thing I have discovered is Colin Flaherty, whose videos look at the extraordinary racist violence of blacks across the whole of the US. He puts up two or more videos of the mayhem every day on his YouTube channel and says he could put up much more. A worrying recent trend is for local DAs to seek to drastically reduce sentences because locking them up “isn’t the answer”, and the results are as you would expect.

      The official line, plugged across the media, is the exact opposite, that they are suffering from white racism. There are three levels of response from his opponents, he says:

      1 It did not happen (look at the videos)
      2 White people are just as bad (watch the videos)
      3 White people deserve it

      He has a form of words. The authorities and the media “deny, condone, deny, excuse, encourage and even lie”. (Yes, once again on familiar ground.)

      He describes it, persuasively, as the greatest lie of the last half-century. But there is some very stiff competition for that title, Colin. For me this is just one more extraordinary thing that is ignored or misrepresented by our even-worse-than-they-were-absolutely-useless media. A psychologist, or an academic, or even just a plain old news reporter, should find it all veeery eeeeeenteresting, but nobody seems to have noticed.

      • coldblow

        That should be: “they ignore, deny, condone, excuse, encourage and even lie about it.”

        I like it. It describes our media so well.

    • Grzegorz Kolodziej

      “You say above that David uses the language of the Nazis when he uses the word ‘reactionary’.” – yes, he does – if you look at the lyrics of the Nazi anthem, it’ll become clear to you.

      Regarding Götz Aly, you really should read his Hitlers Volksstaat (Hitler’s People’s State) – this explains a lot the current Germany.

      Meanwhile, in David’s beloved Scandinavia (not my first source of information as you know – or second, or eleventh, but they did seem to have taken it from primary sources – Norwegian newspaper – on this occasion…):

      Similar scenes are to be seen in Italy. But to Merkel-directed EU Commission/EU Council President, this is not fascism – while the same EU Commission condemned as “fascist” – I kid you not – a banner at the Independence March calling the Poles not to… use drugs.

    • Grzegorz Kolodziej

      In Stalinist Poland, they used a phrase “wretched moral midget of the reaction” to describe the Home Army soldiers (and all non-NKVD controlled underground organisations in general), including the 1944 Warsaw Uprising participants. Later on, they widened it to the US presidents, and finally, to people listening to jazz music (as coming from the US – even though Stalin had his period of flirtation with jazz, during the worst purges).

      “I was mildly amused when the progressives unearthed the word reactionary about a year ago.” – what’s the next step? Books burning, like in some US campuses in 1968 (i.e., of Shakespeare – that’s gas if you think of that: Shakespeare, who was allowed even in Stalinist Poland 1945-1956, was not allowed by the hippies)? Concentration camps for the enemies of the open society?

      • coldblow

        Book burning: I know that in America there have been attempts at a local level to ban Huckleberry Finn.

        It is interesting to see how David chooses his vocabulary. One day it is racist, another nativist, or reactionary, or flag-waving, or xenophobic. One day it is refugees, another it is ‘a reasonable amount of immigration’, and here it is European immigration.

        In the wider media I notice how it varies between hugely under-reporting the immigration rate (“more than one in ten” in the Sindo a few months ago), not mentioning at all and saying that there a lots already here so get over it.

        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          Speaking of migrants: in case you had any doubts about which one is the Anti-Pope:

          And what does the Bible say about prioritising national security?

          1 Timothy 5:8New International Version (NIV)

          “8 Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.”

          And about the likes of Anti-Pope Francis (now hailed by the likes of Putin and Dugin, and KGB agent “Mikhailov”, also known as the so-called patriarch Kirill), the Bible says:

          “Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many” (Matthew 24:4-5, King James Version).

          “Also from among yourselves, men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves” (Acts 20:29-30).

          “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.”
          2 Corinthians 11:13-15

        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          Just out of curiosity – you say:
          “In the wider media I notice how it varies between hugely under-reporting the immigration rate (“more than one in ten” in the Sindo a few months ago)”

          I would call it underreporting, but I wouldn’t call it a massive underreporting – the real number is 13%, and the way I got this figure is following: the last Census actually gives a figure of 17.3% – however, it does not say how many of this 17.3 % are Irish born abroad.

          On the other hand, the Census says that 612,018 Irish residents speak a foreign language at home, which would give a figure of around 13% non-Irish (native + born abroad) – and this doesn’t even include those Irish who are bilingual (although this is a niche category).
          Of course, you would need to add the English who moved to Ireland as foreign-born – as they don’t speak foreign language at home – however, even though the English are – along with the Poles – the largest ethnic minority (both roughly the same), there isn’t more of them than 2% of the population – so even with the English, the figure would be roughly 15%.

          This compares with 26.8% of Australian population being foreign-born – but the Australians are not letting any so-called “refugees” (they do let in the real refugees, of which there are microscopic amounts as most of them are fake) – actually shooting at the boats with people-smugglers, which is what Europe should do (ever heard of any country breaking diplomatic relations or sanctioning Australia for that? Me neither).

          When it comes to Muslim immigration, it is 2.7% in Ireland compared to 15% in the UK – although for the last year, I do see some people I have never seen before in my local park, dressed like Osama Bin Laden, going nowhere in particular and seemingly with no specific purpose of standing on the street, looking like ZZ Top guys.
          I still think it’s comparatively low in Ireland – Ireland’s Muslim immigration doesn’t look to me like even 1/4 of the London’s Muslim immigration 20 years ago – provided that someone lived near Seven Sister’s Road – as opposed to Greenwich (I gave those two because I lived in both).
          The results for Dublin were, btw, 21% – which would roughly confirm what I see (unless someone only knows Dublin from Parnell, where it would be the majority, including tourists).

          “there a lots already here so get over it.” – I’ve always been saying that the biggest disaster in that respect was the election of the Red Dwarf – he pressured various Irish state agency to speed up the process of solving purely Carolingian problem of having caliphates instead of normal states by taking bits of their “refugees” that they don’t want – which is how in my opinion should be phrased, Coldblow, as only talking about some abstract “refugees” would only weaken your argument: one has to be very precise and call things as they are: the so-called “refugees” that these countries ILLEGALLY took (against the EU law and the German law) and now they DON’T WANT them anymore, and thus want to relocate them.

          Because if you just say: I’m against taking refugees, you’re gonna lose every public debate (first of all because there is no debate, so you’ll be simply shouted at; secondly because then the argument goes: “what, all of them? And what about this and that?”).

          Therefore one has to be very precise: these people came to Europe i l l e g a l l y. They are, in 98%, fakes – and they are a burden, not an asset. And now because they are a burden and make the crime statistics go up, they are n o t wanted in Germany (I say Germany, because they are at the forefront of this).
          And then I would say: and these criminals (if you fake your asylum status, it’s a crime) should be Ireland’s problem, because?!

          • Truthist

            “NOT My Taoiseach” Varadakar parading with “Murder of Irish Populace’s Pre-Born Children + Infant Children” Just-in Trudeau hints of Irish State being 1 of the betrayed 13 below ;
            EXTRACT ;
            Immigration Minister John McCallum told Rosemary Barton, host of CBC News Network’s Power & Politics, he knows of about 13 countries that are potentially interested in Canada’s model for private refugee sponsorship, adding he has already had talks with the United Kingdom.

          • coldblow


            I agree with most of what you write but I get the idea that you think this is something I do not already agree with. For example I don’t think they are refugees (or ‘refugees’) any more than you do. I also agree they are criminals and have said so.

            My guess is that 17.6% is an underestimate of the number of foreigners here, simply because I do not believe that they would do anything else but underestimate it. I don’ think foreign born children of Irish people would be many and would guess that there are many more Irish born children of foreign parents. Then, on top of the officially recorded immigrants, there are the unofficial ones, the ‘students’ and the Brazilian ‘lads’ and others as David calls them. Another thing to note is that the OECD rate for recent (over last 5 yrs) immigration is 46% compared to an OECD average of 17%. I remember watching Birmingham comedian Lenny Henry talking to Gay Byrne on the Late Late Show, probably in the mid to late 90s, saying that it felt uncomfortable for him walking down O’Connell Street in Dublin because he was the only black face to be seen.

            As regards winning or losing public debates by failing to distinguish refugees from illegal aliens, while I agree with you that it is important to be precise in language, it doesn’t matter anyway because (a) there is no debate as you say yourself, if I read you correctly, and (b) you would still lose such a debate were to exist simply because that is the only admissible outcome.

            To put this second point (b) in context it should be noted that every public debate on tv or radio since I came here in 1987 has been set up in this way. As John Waters says, quoting David Quinn, half-way through this excellent talk


            It is like a football match where one team are allowed to take the field early and score as many goals as they like before the other team are allowed on and then the referee blows against every single thing they do. They only want token conservatives or traditionalists who can be dismissed and talked over. It is interesting to note the treatment of Irish conservatives compared to visiting ones, like Peter Hitchens, who was treated with much courtesty when he came to debate atheism in Trinity with such luminaries as Ivana Bakic. I found it quite sickening. I was struck by that Polish tv discussion about Ireland that you linked to a year or so ago, where three Irish conservatives were interviewed using a translator. It was an odd experience to watch because they were treated sympathetically and respectfully and listened to while they spoke at length, without interruption. I think I might have half-recognized one or two of them.

            The main point I made, however, in the hurried paragraph you quote from brings us back to the question of precision, not of language (which you mention), but rather of reason and thought. I used David as an example of what they all do. There is no consistency and little reason. Here he speaks of the need to let in refugees (or ‘refugees’) as on the Late Late Show in September 2015 with his famous (to me, at any rate) “I see… a man.” (This reminds me of Michael D’s hilarious response when questioned before the presidential election whether he believed in God: “I am… … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … spiritual.” Here he speaks of European migration. Here again he speaks of “a reasonable rate of immigration”. And here again he says that we already have 20% as immigrants (and, presumably, because the sky hasn’t fallen there is no problem so just get over it). (This compares with Eilis O’Hanlon of the Sindo who said it was ‘more than one in ten’.)

            So there is clearly no consistent basis on which the pro-immigration lobby (ie the entire Irish media) base their arguments. It is purely humanitarian. We are all men. There aren’t all that many immigrants here and dark conservative voices or ‘forces’ (often heavily funded by shady conservative donors abroad) are whipping up popular hysteria by claiming that there are. There is not difference between refugees and economic migrants anyway. We need them to look after our ageing population. There are so many here already that the situation is irreversible and we have no rational choice but to get used to it. (Not all of these arguments have been used by David.)

            This is how it goes. David *has* to keep raising the issue because it is a matter of emotion not reason. How does one debate with that, with or without precise terminology? Even if there were a debate? And notice how David every now and then calls for a mature debate on this or that issue? We know what that means.

          • coldblow

            Just two more things that occurred to me.

            Austria. Is their govt extreme?

            Migrants. It is de rigeur to say these days that you oppose immigration but not the migrants. Áine Ní Chonaill, arguing against immigration with Vincent Brown, doesn’t do this. She does blame the immigrants for their deceit. And I have to agree with her. (Did I mention here the case of Strauss-Kahn who was accused of sexual assault by a black chambermaid in a NY hotel? The police were not impressed by her claim that she had been gang-raped in her native West Africa, which is the excuse she used to get asylum.)

          • coldblow

            I can’t resist this one. ‘If we had a debate’: If we had some eggs, we could have ham and eggs – if we had some ham. (an old music hall joke courtesy of PH)

            I also notice your link above is to I haven’t opened it yet. Colin Flaherty, whom I mentioned earlier on this thread, deals with the massively under-reported black on white crime in the US, but he also has one short video about the American family who were beaten up in the course of a large black riot in Dublin a year or two ago. I’ll look at the link now, but I bet it is the same thing.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            Very quickly I will respond, not able to encompass all the aspects you outlined, that being for the reason that, as everyone I know, I’m having a massive cold and ensuing fever and headache, so much so that I pre-heat every garment I put on (that being due to most Irish houses not being insulated and consequently having grave-like chilly walls and windows – I sleep by the window).
            1. The only way the underreporting can take place would be if the CSO
            1.1 correctly gathered their data (that they are trying to do censuses correctly, I know from my own involvement with them) from, so to speak, below and then
            1.2 rigged it from the top. That I simply don’t believe: it’s in the State’s interest to have correct statistics (i.e. for invigilation purposes). As to the point about the Brazilian students and such like, that made me think for a moment. However, bear in mind that even them would have been included in the Census, as it would everyone in rented accommodation (of any kind).
            ” I don’ think foreign born children of Irish people would be many” – well, I am not sure – last year, 21,100 Irish people returned to Ireland – up 74pc on last year. Also, bear in mind that among returning Irish, not only people from Irish parents born in foreign country would be included in that category – the law in some countries provides for the automatic termination of its citizenship or nationality if you acquire another citizenship or nationality.
            That 21,100 figure was lower in some years, but significantly higher in some others. Let’s take – this is a madly conservative estimate, considering that in some years a triple of that amount would have returned – as non-nationals, even if from Irish parents – that on avarage, only 5,000 Irish people with no Irish passports (or their kids) returned to Ireland in the last 3 decades (this is a huge underestimation for arguments sake).
            That would give you a figure of 150,000 for the last 3 decades – that’d be 3% of the population (how conservative that is, you’ll see when I say that out of all population, 2% are British – so more than 1/9 of all non-nationals).
            “Áine Ní Chonaill, arguing against immigration with Vincent Brown, doesn’t do this” – yes, and she loses every debate, and she get 0. something votes for a party that – was she any smart – would have a potential of anything between 5%-15%. I think that she should turn to me for tuition as to how to do a successful campaign and argue in public (now, I’m not being in a self-congratulatory mode – I campaigned in the 1990s and, as a result, got elected to a local body on the cost of printing leaflets ONLY, and I only got better since) – for Brexit referendum, UKiP used some advice from the Election Control Movement in Poland as to how to prevent the referendum to be rigged (the 2014 local election was rigged by the Donald Tusk’s party).
            Until Áine Ní Chonaill learns how to campaign and speak in the media, the likes of her will never get more than 2%.
            Here is an example how to make a successful argument on the issue of immigration (I’m talking about Mr Ian O’Doherty):
            Austria. I was going to write about it, but I have to put it on some other occasion due to my chest infection. All I can say that not only the new Austrian leader is not extreme, but that his current views are not the ones he had only 3 years – so his anti “refugees” stance seems to be more a result of him listening to vox populi rather than his deep convictions (also some foreign financing – he who pays the piper, calls the tune).
            If you are really interested in the Austrian right political scene you should read this:

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej


            The fever is coming back with vengeance after me getting out of bed to write this. I need to unwind now – and in order to do so, I shall watch this, not omitting to ask what’s your opinion on this, as I think it’s actually very good (only watched one episode though):


            P.S. You would benefit hugely in terms of gaining a real knowledge of the EU if you watch this:

            P.S. The latest debate on the spread of Dublin with Mr McWilliams on TV3 was very good (still available on TV3 Player).
            Even on that seemingly neutral topic, there was no real debate in Ireland since, like, ever?

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            I meant debate on the sprawl of Dublin, not spread – fever.

          • coldblow


            I won’t push the argument with you as I don’t want you to end up in hospital!

            I bow to your greater knowledge of govt statistic and running political campaigns. My view on the former is in line with Hitchens’ dictum that all official statistics are unreliable. Politicians and media will definitely misreport statistics but I would be very surprised if CSSO deliberately manipulated them. But then again how reliable are Greek official statistics? I would not rule out bias, however, in how they handle their data. I would also question the thoroughness of the census data and especially expect immigrants to be under-represented (and illegals without official standing even less, of course).

            As for the other and in relation to Áine Ní Chonaill, I didn’t even know she was in a political party, just an anti-immigration organization. Her deficiencies in winning hearts and minds are likely explained by introversion. (I have seen nobody explain Hillary’s defeat for that reason, although it is obvious to me.) If I entered politics I would be a disaster, partly for the same reason. Have you offered her your services?

            Thanks for the Polish link with English subtitles. I was looking for something to replace Kaczynski’s (spelling?) fine parliamentary speech about immigration to Poland which I have watched many times as language listening practice. ( Two things I noticed are firstly that opponents don’t seem to heckle as at Westminster so much as talk out loud to each other and, secondly, that K. refers to ‘philosophy’ where I would use the word ‘rational’ or ‘reasoned’ (and most people ‘logical’)).

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej


            Greek statistics is another cup of tea: I don’t want to go down the splitters but basically their constant and ongoing manipulation of their GDP growth/debt/CAP data didn’t inasmuch consist of a vulgar putting 2 where it should be 8, but rather in reclassifying things (i.e. from one budget year to another). This was primarily done by German companies (later by Goldman Sachs too, but Germans did it earlier and on a much bigger scale – all in all, they made 100 billion euro profit on Greek bailout) – I even remember covering one Greek court case involving a German company in Indo, but I cannot find it for you right now (I would have to go back to all my correspondence with their Editor – so 50 e-mails at least, if not 100) – and not everything physically published is to be found online.

            With the CSO, their staff would have to be specifically instructed to underreport some households or not report them. This simply was not the case, and furthermore, for households, it is an offence to hide some information.

            When it comes to foreigners in general, Ireland is very unequally divided in that respect.
            Take Dublin: there are electoral districts in north Dublin with over 50% of foreigners. But then again, I lived in a modern apartment in south Dublin (which I wouldn’t be able to afford now – and it was not by any means luxury – it was an upper-middle-class kind of place in Ireland and it would be an upper-middle-class place in Poland) where perhaps there were some foreigners, but for a year of me living there – and that included my morning passage through hundreds-of-cars parking basement) – I have never heard any. And that wasn’t, like I said, for the rich (rich people don’t commute 4 hours a day).

            What’s been changing for the last 2 years is this arrival of people out-of-context, albeit in small amounts, compared to England. I mean: up until around 2015, you had these sort of “themed” waves of immigrations: the Italian hospitality staff; the Yugoslavian builders; the Turkish (no-one-else will do this job) manual workers; the Irish builders; the Polish builders; plus various criminals (Russian mafia, Gypsy thieves, knackers, etc) – yet criminals that can be classed somehow.

            Since Merkel, we have this barbarian deluge of people we know nothing about (as, unlike any immigration before, they are not registered checked in any way shape or form unless they do it for social housing purposes and even voluntary submission that is unverifiable because they arrved illegally in the first place), who I see standing with no purpose at all, waiting for Godot, dressed in a way which makes Sex Pistols look conformist in comparison. They are thrown into the place in a manner which Heidegger called “Geworfenheit” ;-)

            All of this is happening when the British Foreign Office classifies only 2 countries in Africa as torn by war, and those “refugees” are from none of them.
            By the way, did you know that in 2013, the largest group that arrived in Ireland was from Nigeria?
            I had two Nigerian friends; one of them I am still in contact with (he is not a Muslim).
            They were very intelligent, and I got to know them through sales. One of them was a son of the former Nigerian Embassador to Germany and he spoke fluent German, as well as nearly fluent English.
            Do all the other Nigerians who arrived in Ireland in 2013 in record numbers arrived to wear suits and do sales????! Because, you know, if you emigrate to Canada as a Pole, you have to prove that you have means to maintain yourself for 6 months, a job, fluent English (but better English+French), a master degree, no criminal record, you are healthy and in a certain age group.
            Is this not, like, racism?

            Contrast that with the procedure the authentic Polish refugees in the 1980s had to go through (I should have added one more thing – if they found out that you still had a property/bank account in Poland, you were deported from Austria):


            “As for the other and in relation to Áine Ní Chonaill, I didn’t even know she was in a political party, just an anti-immigration organization” – yes, she had a party but it was such a failure that she does not want to remember it now :-)

            The way to do a party is this: say you have so-called “extreme” views. You first consolidate the extreme electorate (so, say, 3%), and then you broaden up your electorate, which requires some compromise and watering-down your program (but not too much – otherwise you’ll become mainstream and having a choice between you mainstream, the mainstream will vote for mainstream while you just lose your core voters).
            That’s why UKiP and Britain First – intially anti-Polish – eventually modified their programs to include the Polish voters on the anti-Merkel front and anti-out-of-Europe immigration platform.

            But Ms Áine Ní Chonaill is, with all due respect, too effing dumb to figure it out, and the Identity Ireland crowd – albeit not gathering people who are dumb (I listened a video of the black hair young guy and he comes across as someone I could have a conversation with), are also in political kindergarden, which is why they are where they are (Tusk’s Poland was much more opressive to such parties than the “liberal” Ireland – not only silencing them, but even physically arresting – yet they thrived in it because they campaigned in a more intelligent way – as Mr O’Doherty does in that video I linked above).

            Yes, she did stand up for the election around 15 years ago, but her then party got – I wrote 0.something percent of votes, but I think that in fact, it was 0.0something.
            Look – after a life of campaiging, she got LESS votes in CORK with all those people helping her and national media coverage (albeit very small) than I got in a campus ON MY OWN, in two weeks of campaigning: smart she ain’t!

            Instead of gathering all the votes of those who think like her and then gathering the votes of some who agree with her on some, but not all issues, she managed to lose the vast majority of votes of even those who think exactly like her!

            That comical failure cannot be blamed on the liberal media – she just wasted her life thinking that she has a political talent and charisma when she clearly has not (that aside from the fact that apart from the anti-immigration agenda, she never had any program – and she didn’t because she doesn’t have a clue).


            “Thanks for the Polish link with English subtitles. I was looking for something to replace Kaczynski’s (spelling?) fine parliamentary speech about immigration to Poland which I have watched many times as language listening practice.”

            Maybe this will also interest you (especially because this is on the EU from a different angle – the one which you won’t hear in the UK neither from Remoaners nor from Breczemians):


            And these are facts from the Polish history that the German and Russian states and the German/Russian media really don’t want the world to know about:


          • Grzegorz Kolodziej


            The Cork general election attempt was earlier.
            I don’t know if you know that she was in Progressive Democrats too – so she not as much intransigent and radical as she is just not good enough as a politician to be kept by a larger party and not smart enough to win a seat as an independent.

            Hmm… did it ever occur to you that maybe someone in the Irish State decided to place her in the anti-immigration (I think she prefers to call it “controlled immigration”) movement to make sure they never succeed?
            Of course, I’m not giving much probability to that – I think she just honest and, at the same time, dumb – but that would make sense tactically…

            To get less than 300 votes in Cork – being in the media and having an organisation behind you (no matter how small)… When exactly did she decide “I have a political talent and I am going to lead the anti-immigration national organisation”? LOL
            You say she is introvert – but introverts usually are able to look into herself. She isn’t.

            Besides, like I said, I don’t accept that introvert-extrovert division, because it is a form of Freudism (it comes from Jung, who was Freudist) – and I don’t accept Freudism.

            I think that Mazur’s cybernetics of character is a better tool:


          • coldblow


            I thought you were sick and now you are dragging me into further fruitless discussion. We have been over much of this before.

            Introversion. I looked at that Mazur thing last time and it does not explain what I am talking about. It isn’t an abstract thing, or a matter of reason and logic, but something very palpable if you know what to look for. I only mentioned it because it helps explain why Ní Chonaill may have failed. By the way, I am unaware of any male introvert politicians – I haven’t looked hard though. The prime introvert female one was Thatcher and I had to look very closely at her case because it struck me as being unusual. Whatever Mazur is looking at, or thinks he is looking at, it is not the same thing as what I am talking about. I share your view of Freud, though, to the small extent that I know anything about him. By the way, who was the philosopher you said influenced Jung, in particular the universal unconscious? Schopenhauer?

            Ní Chonaill did very well on a clip I saw of a Vincent Brown appearance and in the face of overwhelming hostility. She was probably the only person in the studio who opposed immigration.

            I had a look at the Doherty programme. He spoke very well but I would prefer Ni Chonaill if I wanted to learn about what is happening (which I do).

            I have often read his articles and he is what might be described as an ‘enlightened liberal’ (I just made that up) because he sometimes has sound views but from a mistaken world view. I looked at a few of the other things he says. A few things:

            “We are playing into the smugglers’ hands.” Hitchens, another extravert, also believes the story of the ‘evil smugglers’. I would be amazed if this is true.

            Brain drain from Africa. I don’t buy that either. There was a contributor here who spoke about working with earlier ‘refugees’, like former camel drivers.

            He has no problem taking in women and children. Firstly, how are men always seen as expendable? This is a typical liberal attitude. Secondly, I assume the women and children will follow later. This may play well with the wider audience but Ni Chonaill is sounder (from the little I have heard). I haven’t heard anyone else blame the migrants themselves, yet she is right (Hitchents spoke recently about the difference between opposing immigration and criticizing the immigrants themselves). Doherty puts up a good show all the same against some very deluded opponents. He reminds me of Kevin Myers and the writers of Spike Online in that he is critical of the deceitful and dishonest way this question is treated but they (at least) are not opposed to mass immigration on principle and in fact favour it.

            Thanks for the other Polish link.

            Kilnascully can be very funny although not always. Pat Shortt is probably a comic genius. It is what I imagine 1950s rural Limerick or Tipperary was like.

            Now, I have used up far more of my time than I wanted to give to this, so I am bowing out. Hope you get better soon.

          • coldblow

            PS If you want something interesting to watch while convalescing try Colin Flaherty, whom I mention elsewhere on this thread.

            The fake news thing fascinates me. The progressives are convinced that people are led astray by Dark Forces feeding them lies while in reality it is becoming increasingly clear that nothing they believe is connected to reality. As Flaherty says, if it is white racism that is the problem, Whites attacking Blacks, ‘who me the videos’.

          • coldblow

            Duh “Show me the videos”

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            I cannot resist the temptation of adding one more remark about Ms Áine Ní Chonaill: on her organisation’s website, there is a section:
            “unpublished letters”. One of them letters has 4 spelling mistakes, which would make Ms Áine Ní Chonaill unable to pass the English exam text for immigrants to Australia (bear in mind, unlike in the test, she had all the time in the world to write that letter – so it is likely that in the test she would make even more mistakes) LOL

            I also had the impression (bordering on certainty) that when she spoke on Vincent Browne about the judicial review, she wasn’t familiar with the word “Leave”.

            What would a normal person think about the Immigration Control Platform? If she sucks so much in speaking, writing and in general knowledge – and she is their spokesperson, for goodness sake – then what IQ must the other members have?

            And then they are surprised that they got less than 300 votes in a city of 125,000…

            So don’t blame their failures on the Irish media (which, as we both agree, can hardly be any worse – it’s enough to listen to that shouting idiot “debating” Mr Ian O’Doherty in my link) – blame it primarily on them being, well, a bunch of fucking idiots who cannot write a letter to a newspaper.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            “Ní Chonaill did very well on a clip I saw of a Vincent Brown appearance and in the face of overwhelming hostility.” – no, Coldblow, no, she did not – she stuttered, she didn’t maintain the eye contact, she didn’t control the audience and the host (you can control even a hostile host if you are skilled at it); sometimes she confuses things (as with the judicial review). That she spoke in the face of overwhelming hostility does not excuse her from her failure of doing it better – I’ve always spoke nin the face of overwhelming hostility, last time this month debating a Stanford professor on the Holocaust – he had not other way of winning an argument than taking a mic off me.

            In contrast, Vincent allowed Aine to speak to her hear content because she is – on the body language level (and this is what counts on TV and politics) not convincing. Even out of those who, in lion’s share, agree with her, most would think “she is nuts”.
            She is very bad at controlling her body language.

            “I had a look at the Doherty programme. He spoke very well but I would prefer Ni Chonaill if I wanted to learn about what is happening (which I do).” – yes, I agree with you totally: but that’s not the point -she does not want to satisfy herself only with that, but she also wants to break through with those views to the mainstream media (like I do, though not with the Anti-Irish Times) – and she also stood up for the election.

            The point is: there is a reason why someone like Mr O’Doherty can get into a wider audience with anti”refugee” arguments and the likes of Aine cannot not.
            These reasons include:
            1. Better writing.
            2. Better English.
            3. Better self-control
            4. Better rhetorics
            5. Better peoples skills
            6. Better general knowledge rather than just banging about one thing for 20 years and not knowing exactly how the judicial review process works.

            Just compare her with Mr Farage and it will become apparent to you why she should never have been in politics in first place.

            P.S. Eventually I took the painkillers, so I’ve no fever.

            Yes, they both took the concept of the unconscious from Schopenhauer.

            The concept of introvert/extrovert does not allow for the dynamism of character, therefore it is unable to predict any character changes or put people in groups efficiently (which is why the likes of NASA use Mazur’s personality tests and not Jungs).

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            Just 3 small remarks – not that I want to drag you into a fruitless discussion, but on reflection, I found them important to share with you specifically:

            1. “Doherty puts up a good show all the same against some very deluded opponents. He reminds me of Kevin Myers and the writers of Spike Online in that he is critical of the deceitful and dishonest way this question is treated but they (at least) are not opposed to mass immigration on principle and in fact favour it.” – you see, you or me don’t really know that he is in favour of mass immigration. He is a mainstream media journalist, and as such, he is aware of what he can say and how, and knowing that, he’s been a lot more present in mainstream with what the likes of ICP want to say, but are unable to due to their own limitation (in plain English: O’Doherty is smart and they are dumb). Personally, I am convinced that he is against mass immigration (as a person). His stance during that debate on sending Irish navy to rescue “refugees” was very clear – and ICP will never be able to get with it to MSM like he did: not because they are too radical but becaue they don’t know how to present it. He did talk about “brain drain” from Africa. As these are mostly people that those countries don’t want to keep (like criminals), the “brain drain” argument (which would be valid if it pertained to countries like Ireland or Poland) is, of course, farcical – but it’s a b r i l l i a n t argument for show in the lefty media.

            2. As to informative aspect of it, of course, I agree that “I would prefer Ni Chonaill if I wanted to learn about what is happening” – however, you have to be aware that there is a lot of things on their website (from the international law for example) that they are factually incorrect on (amidst those that they correct on, and that’s most).
            For an organisation that, for the last 30 years, has been talking about nothing else than immigration, to get one fact wrong is unacceptable – 30 years is long enough for fact-checking. To get wrong more than one, and have it on the website for years and years – it fully justifies my opinion that as for a spokesperson, they have chose someone with a rather low IQ. That’s not a good PR for attracting a wider audience, as – like I said – an average person would think that if her spokesman is unable to master her own language and get her facts right, the other members must be more stupid still. This opinion might be unfair, but it perfectly explains why they got less than 300 votes in a city oif 125,000, and then less than a 1,000 in a city 10 times big (the worst result for any politician who is active for 30 years I’ve ever heard of).

            3. Thanks for the Colin Flaherty link.

  28. Conversation on store of value v. speculative investment. Compatibility is closer than thought.

  29. Truthist

    David proposing for planning dedicated for retrieval of the Irish taxpayers’ funds given to Scammers “Hillary + Bill Clinton” Foundation ?
    Further apropos of the Irish State funds given to Messrs Hillary Clinton + Bill Clinton ;
    Did any Irish politician & / or Irish Senior Civil Servant visit Jeffery Epstein’s Lolita Sex Island ?

    • Truthist

      HILLARY CLInT-ON visited convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein’s private Lolita Sex Island on 6 / sextus occasions

      Bertie Ahern aggrieved about this & the Irish State funds given to the Messr’s Clinton ; Slick-Willy + Fist-Lady ?

      Will RTE + “Irish Newspaper of Record of Record” 8-) interview Kathy O’Brien about her allegations against the Fist Lady ?

      As it is, we all know that the Fist-Lady directed the anal rape of Colonel Mummar Gadaffi.

  30. Truthist

    David is on about attracting talented foreigners to locate to Irish State as employees.
    But, the phenomenon of the deliberate — by “the dreadful Few” [ foreign ] + Hidden State [ local ] — Housing Crisis as destructive social engineering upon Irish nation populace of Irish State is becoming ever more notorious around the world ;
    So, how to attract them given this crucial mitigating crisis ?
    How about publishing a list such as the following apropos of rotten Landlords operating in our major cities ?
    Letitia James
    Public Advocate for the City of New York
    Landlord Watchlist
    View the Watchlist
    100 Worst Landlords
    About the Watchlist
    Landlord FAQs
    Buildings in Rehabilitation
    Tenant FAQs
    Tenants’ Rights
    Tenant Organizations
    100 Worst Landlords in New York City
    Go to the Landlord Watchlist to view a graphical version of this list.

  31. Truthist

    @ Grzegorz,
    3rd Video down

  32. Truthist

    @ Grzegorz,
    Chris Spivey
    “The Irish Times” ;

    Yes, that newspaper worthy of basing Plans upon
    Now Elser’s mother is one of those Chameleons whose face fits all… Within sensible bounds of course.

    In fact to compare her with the former Mayor, Councillor and current Sinn Féin MP for Foyle, Elisha McCallion, I do not have to even change any angles.

    Fuckin’ amazing that is.

    And according to Wikipenis:

    Elisha McCallion (born 21 October 1982) is a Sinn Féin politician from Derry, Northern Ireland. McCallion has been a Member of Parliament for the Foyle constituency since her election in June 2017.

    McCallion was also a Member of the Legislative Assembly for the Foyle constituency in the Northern Ireland Assembly from March 2017 to June 2017.

    A post held by the terrorist, Martin McGuinness prior to McCallion taking up the post… Carry on the Wikipenis:

    McCallion was first elected to Derry City Council in 2005 and became Mayor of Derry in 2015.

    On 9 June 2017, McCallion was elected as Sinn Féin’s first MP for the Foyle constituency in the 2017 general election. Following her election, concerns about electoral malpractice were raised with the Electoral Office by the SDLP and People Before Profit’s Eamon McCann.

    Now if McCallion isn’t a made up person then I don’t know who is. I mean by way of an example, in order to give the impostor a back-life, two years ago when she was just a generally unheard of Mayor & Councillor, a news item was invented and reported in The Irish Times in order to get her name known to the wider public:
    The husband of the Sinn Féin Mayor of Derry and Strabane District Council has been given a three-month jail sentence, suspended for two years, after he admitted assaulting a husband and wife .

    Declan Aaron McCallion (34), the husband of Cllr Elisha McCallion, from Elaghmore Park in the Galliagh area of the city was also ordered at the city’s Magistrate’s Court to pay within the next six months compensation of £750 (€1,047) to the man he admitted assaulting.

    McCallion pleaded guilty to physically assaulting the man at Academy Road and guilty to assaulting the man’s wife by putting her in fear of violence. He also admitted committing disorderly behaviour and resisting a police officer during the same incident. Source

    Yet instead of publishing a photo of Arron McCallion or even one of her, the Irish Times used a photo of the bird holding the scales-of-justice:

    PHOTO: The image used for the article

    Now to me that is strange in itself and indeed McCallion’s husband’s violent nature should have put an end to any political heights that she was hoping to attain. Yet two years later she is an MP!

    Which meant that she and her hay-maker husband had to have a photo in the public domain:

    Stop laughing. What you are looking at is two photos joined together and he has been given a fake shoulder to hide the fact.

    Neither am I sure that he has not just had a stroke or something because his mouth ain’t right that is for sure… Neither is his jaw for that matter.

    And as for “Elisha”? Well she looks different to her other photo but I suppose that could be down to the fact that she is wearing false teeth over her own… Strange, but why would she do that?

    Nevertheless, back to Mrs Elser and neither do I have to change the head angle when comparing her to the Nazi-War-Criminal, Hilde Lisiewitz or should her name be Hide Lies Witch.

    Much more on the female Nazi war criminals later.

    Now in stark contradiction to being a Nazi concentration camp guard, Mrs Elser is also a child billed on ‘Pinrest’ as being a “Jewish girl in the Warsaw Ghetto – fate unknown”… And once again I didn’t need to change any angles.

    And purely for information purposes, someone on a website called ‘Booksie’ has written a fictional account of her life in Auschwitz, and called her Jodie Smith.

    Nevertheless, the fact that she Satanically connects with ‘Mrs Elser’ raises serious questions… Indeed, those questions become much more complex when you realise that ‘Jodie Smith‘ is The current MP for Barnsley East, Stephanie Peacock… Or at least her photo is:

    Should that worry you?

    It certainly does me which is added to by the fact that Peacock is the girlfriend of super-smug-mug, Fatty Tom Watson MP, the current deputy leader of the Labour Party

    PHOTO: Fatty & his bird

    Peacock is reported to be in her late 30’s, but certainly doesn’t look it to me.

    Course, she was maneuvered into becoming an MP as is documented in more detail in my article “Political Trans-Formation“.

    PHOTO: Peacock & Eddie Izzard Izz a twat

    Indeed you know the cuntry is in a proper fuckin’ mess when a fella in make-up, skirt, tights and high heels is seen as an asset to getting elected.

    Meantime, the third story in question was about Joan Collins’ son moaning about his childhood:

    And of course that story has to connect with the teacher & transgender pupil story since they both appeared on the Chimps news-feed on the 12th of November:

    Unfortunately that is the best that I can do as a comparison given the totally different poses.

    However, it is kinda strange that there was not an up-to-date photo of Alex Newley in that Joan Collins article since it was he who was chucking the allegations about.

    And especially so since he looks so much like Kray Gang-Member, Mad Teddy Smith who disappeared never to be seen again in the mid-1960’s:

  33. Truthist

    Ah well, ewe must abandon any hopes of Social Credit as improvement on Private Central Banking & Zero — no longer “Fractional” — Reserve Banking being crafted into the economic plan for Ireland [ i.e. Ireland minus North East of Ireland ] ;
    Because, Social Credit is Aunty-Semetic ; It is so it is
    At least it was deemed to be so in Canada.
    So, best we hear no advocacy for Social Credit emanating from Canada at all at all at all …

    • British Columbia[edit]
      In British Columbia, the movement split: both the British Columbia Social Credit League and the Union of Electors ran candidates in the 1949 provincial election.[11] In the 1952 provincial election the Social Credit party under W. A. C. Bennett won the majority of seats and the election.[4] He governed the province for 20 years until his loss in the 1972 provincial election. The party won the subsequent 1975 provincial election and governed until 1991.[3

      It was the best government BC ever had.

  34. Deco

    I am on record for saying that Varadkar’s biggest blunder on becomming Taoiseach was to appoint Frances Fitzgerald as Tanaiste, when she should have been sent to the backbenches.

    Simply put, Fitzgerald is a lot of the dysfunctionality and underperformance in the institutional state.

    And the FG party are now contemplating a general election over the shambles that FG have run in the Justice Department.

    Are FG really that stupid as to call a general election on what is a severely weak area of policy ?

    Well, it seems that they are.

    Nobody knows what way this will play out, once it starts.

  35. Truthist

    Anti-Irish Times-cum-Anti-Polish Times
    Henry Makow retweeted this ;

  36. Truthist

    Of course for a plan to be approved by the Anti-Irish Times-cum-Anti-Polish Times, that plan must have been politically INcorrect.
    “Man leading by example against the Frankfurt School Bolloxology” has this to say about Catholicism & current manifestations of its Opponent ;
    In a wide-ranging exclusive interview with LifeSiteNews, Peterson said religion in general and Catholicism in particular stand as a perpetual bulwark against ideologies of the political left or right, which is why the Catholic Church is under now attack by those ideologies — along with Dr. Peterson himself.

    “The Catholic Church warns us against the danger posed by the un-moored rational mind,” said Peterson, who would not reveal his own religious beliefs. He added that religions in general provide a “balanced” and complete understanding of reality, while ideologies such as Fascism or Marxism (which he says lies at the root of gender theory) present a very narrow understanding.

    Peterson said 19th century German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche intended his statement, “God is dead,” as a warning against the atheism and nihilism of the Western intelligentsia. “When they lost faith in God, Marxism and then Nazism moved in to fill the void,” he told LifeSite.

    The target of Peterson’s controversial YouTube videos — the mandatory acceptance of gender theory and polygender names and pronouns — is just the latest product of nihilism, he said.

    Peterson has been accused of hate speech and asked to stop talking about gender by his university. He also has been shouted down at a free speech rally. But he has vowed to continue his campaign against mandatory polygenderism even if it leads to jail.

    If he is called before the Ontario Human Rights Commission, he told LifeSiteNews that he would refuse to appear.

    Peterson, an expert on the psychology of religion, is not a reductionist who believes his field says everything there is to know about it. That is an ideologue’s approach. Ideologies only describe part of reality but claim to tell it all, he says.

    For Nazism, race is all that matters about a person. For Marxism, it is one’s relation to the “factors of production.” For gender and feminists, “It is about power.” One of today’s prevailing ideologies is environmentalism. “It depicts man as a corrupter and destroyer of nature and Western culture as pathological,” Peterson said. Political correctness is an expression of Marxism, depicting people as either victims or predators.

    “Christianity tells a complete, balanced story. It describes humans as neither good nor bad, but capable of good and evil,” he said. “Nature brings pain and suffering but is the source of life.”

    While ideology is the product of human thought — “un-moored reason,” Peterson believes religion evolved as human beings developed self-consciousness. Indeed, he believes the Biblical description of Adam and Eve acquiring the knowledge of good and evil is about how humans came to realize their own morality and vulnerability — and quickly put this knowledge to use manipulating and terrorizing others. “Animals do not torture each other,” he noted.

    “One way to look at ideology is as an assault on the Logos,” he said, noting that Christians identify the Logos with Christ. “The Logos is the principle that brings order out of the chaos.” It also means absolute truth, but ideologies such as Nazism or Marxism do not believe there is even such as thing as truth. They will claim to be true whatever serves the cause of their ideology. “The Soviet Union was built on lies,” Peterson said.

    Peterson bristles at the suggestion that religion is an ideology. “Anyone who says that doesn’t know anything about religion or ideology. “

  37. Truthist

    THE FOLLOWING I GOT FROM “www.duckduckgo” ;
    Thanks to Grzegorz reminding to us it.
    This pdf. from USA Bureau of Justice Statistics refused to offer up with GOOGLE.COM … DELIBERATELY BY GOOGLE / MSHD.
    Table 42 ;
    Go to “Find” Function of Browser > Insert string “Table 42?
    Row 4
    FOLKS HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED BY “The Dreadful Few”, through the tentacles of the Octo/Multi-pus that “The Dreadful Few” owns, to “hate Whitey” [ Also, encouraged by Charles Manson-Polanski ... Hoax ? ]

  38. mike flannelly

    RTE are at it again.
    Storms and general elections are their news.
    They are setting new measurements for general elections. If someone COULD do their job better is the new measure.

    Not 10,000 less hospital beds than every other oecd country because people in the same rte union SHOULD do their job better.

    A failed rain man can always become an election pollster.

  39. terence patrick hewett

    I know there are not very many Enda fans on this blog but I thought overall he was doing a good job. Francis Fitzgerald is being crucified on the same cross.

  40. Mike Lucey


    I still think that Ireland’s low corporation tax is a ‘cute hoor’ stroke that will eventually be disrupted and trying the ‘think up’ ways of pushing ahead with it will prove to be time wasted.

    Ireland should really be looking at its natural and sustainable resources on which to build economic success, its youth, land and seas.

    As for our youth, this seems to me to be our biggest export and it has been thus for the past 100+ years.

    I think our current agricultural base is in for a rude awakening in the coming years, particularly after reading this paragraph,

    ‘Agriculture: There will be a 100$ agricultural robot in the future. Farmers in 3rd world countries can then become managers of their field instead of working all day in their fields. Aeroponics will need much less water. The first petri dish produced veal is now available and will be cheaper than cow produced veal in 2018. Right now, 30% of all agricultural surfaces is used for cows. Imagine if we don’t need that space anymore. There are several startups who will bring insect protein to the market shortly. It contains more protein than meat. It will be labeled as “alternative protein source” (because most people still reject the idea of eating insects).’

    from, ‘The future is Now’

    It’s not even worth mentioning ‘our’ seas simply because they are not ours in any meaningful way.

    The times they are a changing …. very quickly! We must invest in IIoT (Industrial Internet of Things) and develop our own sustainable native industries that can’t be moved along to the next country that introduces ‘cute hoor’ tax avoidance strokes.

    A good start might be to reinstate Article 48. Rather than ‘mouth off’ about reinstating Article 48, I’ve launched an awareness campaign on Uplift, here,

    Please support this initiative if you want to change the system.


    • Grzegorz Kolodziej


      I still stand by what I’ve told you in February about the Article 48 pledge – that there is a flaw in the wording of their pledge:

      “I hereby pledge to vote only for candidates, in the next General Election, who support the reintroduction of Article 48 (Direct Democracy) into the Irish Constitution.”

      in that their pledge is too narrow, as such formulated pledge would indicate that out of those who do NOT support it, for me or anyone who signs the pledge, there would be NO difference whatsoever as to which
      OTHER candidates (among those NOT supporting the reintroduction of Article 48) will be elected as Teachtaí Dála.

      I reckon this flaw would discourage the majority of those who would otherwise sign the petition (provided they spot it).

      For instance, supposing that I propose signing a pledge “I hereby pledge to vote only for candidates, in the next General Election, who support the introduction of public debt limit of 60% into the Irish Constitution.”

      Supposing now that there are two candidates and none of them supports the introduction of such debt limit – but
      a) one of them is p r o-euthanasia/pro-abortion/on demand/pro-Facebook political censorship/legalising paedophilia (the latter is an authentic proposal that the German Greens and the French left – people like Michel Foucault and some politicians – formally proposed in the past – in France, this was supported by “Le Monde” and Radio France Culture), and
      b) the other candidate is a g a i n s t all of the above.

      Notice logically follows from that pledge that I promise not to vote for any of them (so, effectively, help the one whose all OTHER views I oppose), even though I’m AGAINST everything else (apart from the debt limit) what the first candidate proposes and FOR everything else that the second candidate proposes.

      Another flaw: in STV system, I do not agree with randomness in my second and third preferences (all what I’ve just demonstrated applies to the second and third preference).


      Proposed solution: replacing “vote only for” with “I’d give my first preference to”.

      P.S. Because the website you linked to mentions Switzerland, I am not sure what’s the naturalisation law in Switzerland is now, but in the past, granting the citizenship in Switzerland was decided on a local canton level, not on an abstract state high level (I think in Zug this went as far as having the local peoples approval for any person to become a citizen as a prerequisite). I think that in view of the latest events in Europe this would make a lot more sense (to decide on such things by people who actually personally know the applicants – or know those who know them).

  41. terence patrick hewett

    Where are the Hugh Leonard’s, the Seamus Heaney’s, the Yeats’, the Brian O’ Nolan’s and by extension the Dylan Thomas’s, the R S Thomas’s, the John Betjeman’s, the Chesterton’s and the Belloc’s? Where are they?

    Where indeed.

  42. Truthist

    As Otto Khan, a Kuhn Loeb partner stated after WW1 ;

    the bankers “re-make the world by creating artificial conflicts and determining the outcome.”
    Present “Dail Political Crisis” in Irish State is an artifice by agreement of the the local Banksters + rest of Hidden State.

  43. Truthist

    Pat Buchanan on the US-Saudi Starvation Blockade in Yemen

    “Is this now the American way of war? Are we Americans, this Thanksgiving and Christmas, prepared to collude in a human rights catastrophe that will engender a hatred of us among generations of Yemeni and stain the name of our country?”


  44. The idea, operation of blog chain and Bit Coin, the introduction of a Bitcoin futures market within 60 days, the manipulative ability of the futures market and the decision as to what will constitute the real savings vehicle and wealth preservation in the near future.

  45. goldbug

    “Further east, reactionaries and nationalists with values that run contrary to core EU positions on migration and racial tolerance”




  46. Grzegorz Kolodziej


    You should have a look at this (I won’t be elaborating on it though):

    • Truthist

      Is there any the likes of Jordan Peterson on the books of “The Irish State’s Newspaper of Record” 8-) NOW instead of they later claiming to have been a dissident BACK THEN ?

      TITLE ;
      Hitler Reacts to Grad Student Thought Crimes | Pronouns | Jordan Peterson | Laurier University

    • Truthist

      Re ; Flu

      Do not have shower
      Do not have bathe
      Wipe down with hot water & small towels should be OK.

      Frequently change into clean clothes

      Stay in bed when tired.

      Wrap clean garment as scarf around throat

      Zinc tablet supplements

      Radio rather than TV as entertainment

      Home made mushroom + carrot broths

      Morning sun ; Vitamin D

      Say ur prayers ;
      Practise Gratitude ; Be grateful that Poland has moral courage 8-)
      coarse + vulgar Irish State of cruel Civil SERPENTS

    • Truthist

      Excellent speech
      BUT … BUT … BUT
      There should be Transcript supplied boldly with it ;
      Yet, there is no Transcript whatsoever ;
      Other than very good quality Sub-Titles [ Although, always better to have dedicated contrasting background band of colour rather than the text superimposed over contrasting natural background ].

      • Grzegorz Kolodziej

        A dedicated contrasting background band of colour would be more visible all right; on the other hand though, when you see foreign films in the cinema, they have the text superimposed over natural background for a reason (a dedicated background would take a huge chunk of a screen ).

        Also, bear in mind that the guy who put it on YouTube does not have a budget of the likes of RTE, Polish TV (let alone the likes of BND or AIPAC; or Russian propaganda budgets – especially if they goals combine).
        The video was most likely subtitled by some volunteer who did it after work for free.
        Admittedly, there is a Polish Defamation League (as a response to ubiquitous and, sometimes, very liberal with the truth… ehm Eskimo Defamation League :-) – but they don’t deal with such films as putting on videos.

        Btw, they recently launched some court actions, i.e. they filed a suit against BBC for accusing Polish train drivers of complicity in the Holocaust; they suit the producers of the “Generation War” series (produced by ZDF, and bought by BBC) – that’s the second lawsuit against ZDF – ZDF lost the first one (and the second one is ongoing), but as there is a rule of law in Germany – or so says the EU Commission – ZDF violated the German court order, putting themselves above the law; and they won with the Italian press agency.


        When I look at their list of newspapers they are going to sue, I see one important omission: so far, they’ve been focusing on newspapers in countries like the UK, US, Spain, France, Germany and Italy.
        But there is one little country on the outskirts of Europe, where one of its newspapers – albeit insignificant – gives platform, on a regular basis, to the likes of Derek Scally and “Dr” Kevin McCarthy of Kinsale, to deliberately spread false information and engage in hate-speech aganst some nations.
        And because of the insignificance of the newspaper, they’ve so far escaped a legal action.
        Well, let’s change that situation :-).
        On mulitiple occasions, I gave The Toilet Paper of Reference a change to rectify their own lies.

        Just look at this article:

        And my file titled “The Lies of the Anti-Irish Times” is getting bigger and bigger.
        And when it is put into action, they will have nowhere to hide.
        Not even in Berlin, from which Mr Scally writes his lies.

        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          I gave The Toilet Paper of Reference a change to rectify their own lies
          I gave The Toilet Paper of Reference a chance to rectify their own lies.

          They are not very wise crowd, those dumb fucks in The Anti-Irish Times who always censor me: they think that by silencing me they’ll prevent the Irish public from getting to know that they are lying
          The result of it will be that their campaign of lies, which could have remained an internal affair in Ireland, will give them a notoriety w o r l d w i d e.

          • Truthist

            Re ; “The Anti-Irish-CUM-Anti-Polish
            Cummith the hour of Treachery ;
            Cummith “The Irish State Newspaper of Record”
            Chris Spivey has just started to be on their case.

            Cooldude is a fan of Chris Spivey’s.
            Where Chris Spivey excels is in his dissection of fake news.
            He then contends that yet again the news consisted of :

            False Flag events ;
            Real Perpretators
            Fake Perpretators + / or Fake Victims
            Fake Perpretators + / or Real Victims

            other Fakery


            Editor of The Irish Times who is said to have given it the claim to being the Newspaper of Record for indeed all of Ireland was a S-P-O-O-K
            I told of this on this blog-site relatively recently.
            And, his daughter is the recently retired Chief Justice of Ireland ;
            Yes, she who is laying claim to not being su-e-able ;
            Su-san Denham

            And, here is what Mshd-Wikpedia have to say about her Pops the Spook ;
            Contact Chris Spivey about “The Anti-Irish … CUM Anti-Polish Times” perhaps.
            Although, Spivey akin to me is of opinion that the Sexurity Services orchestrate the terrorism done supposedly or really, accordingly, by the particular Muslims ;
            And, I gather that ascribe that theory to only some of the events
            U do not believe that bulk is orchestrated by the Sexurity Services.

  47. Truthist

    More on the Clintons who were given Irish State funds by Bertie — “I won it at the races” — Ahern [ Me-hole Martin rotten too in the story of dubious money going through "Fianna Fail again" ] ;
    Surely the Irish State should be suing for these funds given to Clintons to be returned to us ?
    Could housing many “homeless + roofless”.

  48. Individual freedom terrifies those in power. But it is an innate desire that cannot be suppressed. Therefore the media attempts to replace the drive for personal liberation with sexual liberation.

  49. Gold-based debit card Glintpay gets started
    Submitted by cpowell on 06:15PM ET Sunday, November 19, 2017. Section: Daily Dispatches
    Glint App Brings Gold into the Digital Age
    By Emma Dunkley
    Financial Times, London
    Sunday, November 19, 2017
    The world’s oldest currency is being brought into the digital age with the launch of a debit card and app that will allow people to pay for goods in gold.
    Fintech group Glint ( has teamed up with Lloyds Banking Group in the UK and MasterCard to create an app that enables people to load credit in various currencies, which can then be used to buy a portion of a physical gold bar. Customers use the app at the checkout to select whether to pay in a currency or gold, before transacting with their MasterCard.
    … Dispatch continues below …

    The development marks the first time people in the UK and overseas can own just a portion of a gold bar through an app, which can then be used in mobile and debit card-based payments. The app also allows people to send gold to peers in the form of a digital payment. …
    Glint’s new service is riding the wave of alternative payments, such as bitcoin, as more people seek payment methods that can store value in a way that differs from traditional currencies.
    Ben Davies, a co-founder of Glint, said: “We want to create a fairer form of money whereby we give you choice and control over how you protect your money in an era where central banks issue more currency, and so the value of your currency is falling.”
    Glint is working with Lloyds in the UK as the deposit holder for customers storing money on their app. When a customer decides to buy gold through the app, this is used to purchase part of a gold bar that is physically allocated in vaults in Switzerland. …
    … For the remainder of the report:

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