June 12, 2017

DUP/Tory alliance will actually threaten Unionism

Posted in Irish Independent · 189 comments ·

Politics is very odd. Last January, following the “cash for ash” scandal in the North, it seemed that Arlene Foster’s career was over. Today, she struts the UK political stage as the ultimate kingmaker.

For English people of all hues, including those blissfully disinterested inhabitants of the shires, the deal between the DUP and the Conservatives will glare light on the true nature of the strange creatures who inhabit the nether regions of their beloved kingdom.

For political viewers in Buckinghamshire, seeing the DUP up close for the first time will be like that moment when Jacques Cousteau discovers bizarre-looking crustaceans in the darkest corners of the ocean’s floor.

The Tories are to be propped up by a bunch of creationist, climate-change-denying evangelicals, who believe that marriage equality is the devil’s work and opening shops on a Sunday contravenes God’s word. Box office. If there ever was any residual support for Ulster Unionism on the “mainland”, it will evaporate like snow off a ditch as soon as these people are allowed on Newsnight!

In truth, the entire strategy of the DUP was never to be seen on “proper” BBC, paint all Catholics as fellow travellers, and quietly extort as much money as possible from Surrey to finance those crucial issues underpinning British identity such as who pays for Ballymena’s bin collection.

Now they move from county council to national stage.

If you doubt how much of a shock this will be to middle England, just look at the headline in yesterday’s online ‘Daily Telegraph’ — the Conservative handbook — which reads: “Who are the DUP?”

Quite how it will all work out is anyone’s guess, but key to the durability of Westminster’s oddest shotgun wedding will be the UK’s economy — or, more precisely, England’s economy.

The reason it is all about England’s economy is because the English economy throws off the surplus that is then used to prop up the incomes of the supplicants in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. That’s the deal.

Regular readers will know that this column is not half as worried about the English economy as many other commentators, believing it to be large enough, diversified and robust enough with some significant advantages. However, in economics, like in business, management matters. At this stage, it is not clear just how much bad management the English economy can endure from its politicians without stalling and suffering.

If the past 12 months have been dramatic for the English economy, the next 12 months could be traumatic.

Up to now, the UK economy has been doing quite well, not so much shrugging off Brexit, but embracing it. The mainstream view was that the UK economy would fall off a cliff after the Brexit vote as companies and punters wouldn’t wait for the actuality of Brexit to pull in their horns, but would act now to offset the possible problems ahead. In the event, the opposite happened. Personal consumption and investment have both been going well, exports are also up due in large part to the fall in sterling.

This is what is supposed to happen. A weak sterling isn’t so much a reflection of a damaged economy but a reflection of the fact that currencies are supposed to adjust upwards and downwards to expectations about where the economy is going. In a country like the UK, the currency is both the essential economic ballast for the domestic economy and, crucially, the official opposition for the political economy.

So if we see policy changes, sterling reacts much quicker than any opposition counter-move in the parliament.

Remember: the UK is the biggest destination for our agriculture. Agriculture is our biggest indigenous industry and 40pc of our total food exports are eaten in Britain, most of it in England.

In addition, the British are the biggest visitors to Ireland. Irish tourism is our second largest indigenous industry. We depend on the British having spare change in their pockets to spend on holidays. While some other tourists, such as the Americans for example, spend most of their time in Dublin or on the West coast, the English travel to every county in the country. This is largely because they have relations all over Ireland and tend to be more interested in going off the beaten track.

So what’s likely to happen over the next year across the water?

Income increases in the UK, largely based on wages, are likely to be modest. One of the reasons for this is that productivity in England — output per head — has been low for a very long time. So while unemployment is low, wages are not growing because the people in jobs are not very productive.

I’d imagine that the English will keep their levels of spending up by continuing to dip into their savings next year. This has been going on for about five years and pretty soon they’ll have no savings left. But that’s how they operate. People’s balance sheets are dependent on house price growth. In the past few months, house prices across England have fallen a bit. This is the first time since 2010. Any Brexit-related fall in immigration could exacerbate this.

England is like Ireland in the sense that it has a housing crisis, where people who don’t have houses can’t afford for prices to rise because they don’t have the personal income, but those with houses can’t afford for prices to fall because that’s what is propping up their personal wealth. So they will have a conundrum.

Company investment will depend on the Brexit negotiations, or at least the Brexit negotiations will constitute the background noise. No one is too sure what the election outcome has done to the chances of a hard or soft Brexit. Some believe that the DUP will work in favour of a softer Brexit, at least in Ireland, but don’t hold your breath. The election in Northern Ireland was nothing more than a sectarian headcount on both sides, implying that if a hard Brexit hurts Nationalists, the DUP might support it, irrespective of whether it damages the economic interests of DUP supporters.

As so many of these supporters are on some form of welfare from the English taxpayer and so few work in the capitalist system, a hard Brexit allied with more State handouts might be exactly what the DUP goes for. Eurosceptic Tories mightn’t even notice that small change.

All told, the up-to-now robust UK economy will have to muster all its resilience to get over this latest shock.

In the meantime, sit back and watch the Theresa and Arlene show through your fingers or from behind the couch.

  1. Home Counties Girl


      • Grzegorz Kolodziej


        Just out of pure curiosity – did you ever Liam’s idea:

        May 22, 2013 at 11:06 am
        Adam, there is an RSS feed for the comments on each article. You have to subscribe to each feed as the articles are published. Just open the comments and paste the URL in your address bar in to your favourite RSS reader. I’ve done that in the past and it certainly beats having 100 emails in my inbox. YMMV


    • The Tories would go into coalition with isis if they needed to in order for them to stay in power and so would the DUP, and so would new Labour, and so would FF or FG or Labour in Ireland.

    • “As so many of these supporters are on some form of welfare from the English taxpayer and so few work in the capitalist system, a hard Brexit allied with more State handouts might be exactly what the DUP goes for. Eurosceptic Tories mightn’t even notice that small change.”

      I am confused, I though that most DUB supporters would be more fairly well off and would not be on Welfare ?

      • Tull McAdoo

        No the Ulster Unionist Party represented the well off/ landed gentry and

        privileged status quo preservers……..while the DUP was more your Shankill

        Road stone throwing bowsie upstart, with the odd bigot, homophobe, racist thrown in…….

        • Tull McAdoo

          p.s. I hear rumours down here in Oz that the DUP has put down 40

          demands to the Tories for their support…….. If true then let me start the ball rolling.

          1. The Earth is flat.

          2. Homosexuality can be cured

          3.Loads of things are ABOMINATONS… blah blah

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            Aaaah no, I don’t believe that they put down that the earth is flat as one of their demands.
            Don’t believe all that you hear or read – somebody must have had good fun inventing that story. I’d be willing to pay money for a ticket to hear any DUP member defending the thesis that the earth is flat.


            E v e n if the earth was flat, what difference would it make if Tories support it or not??????????????????????!

            I.e., say you support the continuum hypothesis (that there is no set whose cardinality is strictly between that of the integers and the real numbers), and I don’t (or vice versa).

            What difference would it make to you if your prime ministers agrees with that or not???????????????????????????????!!!
            DUP has proved that they are a lot smarter and pragmatic than caring about such things (same that homosexuality can be cured – well, did they t r y to cure it in councils they have power?!).

            Until I see primary source from DUP that this is what they demand, I refuse to believe in that rumour: and I, as you’ve gathered, I’m not a fan of DUP.

        • Thanks for info, I understand it now.

        • Thanks for info, I understand now

      • Thanks for info, I understand now

  2. Deco

    Interesting commentary.

    The DUP are not good at managing anything. And let’s be honest here, in the context of Kildare Street – SF are even more ridiculous.

    Now, they are being sent to deal with grown-ups, who are driven by hard pragmatism. In a way, NI badly needs to be told to grow up – and now it will happen. It is LONG overdue. Theresa May might feel vulnerable. But several Tories have already indicated that they will only tolerate so much silliness fron NI. The most fascinating of which comes from Sctoland’s Conservatives, who are far more grwon up than the SNP.

    By the way, for contrast, it seems that unfortunately, nobody in the Dublin Establishment will tell the quasi-Marxist nutters in SF to cop on.

    SF live in a fairy tale, where everything that does not work is somebody else’s fault. Everybody else is at fault except the gang of thugs that scared investment away from every location north of a line between Drogheda and Ballina to a generation. Maybe because nobody in either the Irish media or the Irish political machines are of sufficient calibre to let loose at SF.

    SF have the benefit of being able to wreck the system, and blame everybody else. And nobody takes them to task. Ever.

    The decline in the SDLP vote is actually troubling. It signals that if there was a united Ireland, it would mean that the administration in Dublin would be dealing with two clueless gangs backed to the hilt by their communities.

    And in this regard, the media in Dublin and the political parties are BOTH entirely responsible for the current state of politics in NI.

    Plus the EU. The EU in a desperate attempt to launch a broadside at the UK, got on board for this nonsense.

    Because in recent months, the endless talk about the EU supporting a United Ireland, polarised opinion in NI. And in particular on the Unionist side.

    The Ponzi-economy RoI establishment thought it was their “best boy in the class chance” to gloat to Brussels. Actually this is extremely irresponsible, because it shows abject cluelessness about NI politics.

    It is effectively putting petrol on the remaing embers of the conflict. It has recreated a divisive society, where neither society will co-operate.

    That Socialist Republican Hellhole project that comes straight out of Gerry Adams skull, suddenly rears it’s dysfunctional promise.

    And Adams is able to rubber stamp it wil EU approval.

    The EU walked into NI politics and created a complete mess.

    As if robbing us of our taxes, and our fish was not enough, the EU leadership has shown that they want to exploit us politically also, in trying to pump more credibility into an imperial nightmare.

  3. michaelcoughlan

    Hi David,

    “One of the reasons for this is that productivity in England — output per head — has been low for a very long time. So while unemployment is low, wages are not growing because the people in jobs are not very productive”

    It’s a pity you didn’t explore this a bit better. Why has productivity been so low for so long? Is it because the UK had geared it’s economy towards services rather than manufacturing so when measured as a whole productivity per person is shit?

    Any chance wages are not growing because out of control central bank policy facilitates the creation of currency for speculation in the stock markets but not for investing in real brick and mortar companies with the consequent misallocation of capital? Also increased wealth stripping taxes being levied on your average UK subject to pay the coupons on the bonds issued to facilitate the increase in the money supply?

    Wages will RISE Dathi because the UK will be FORCED to start manufacturing locally and if they restrict the influx of the desperate hoard for jobs below 25k gbp pa in an economy with low unemployment then wages will have no place else to go.

    • Deco

      Real estate investment, I suspect.

      Also bear in mind the scale of investments held by UK households, internationally. This pulls in investment funds and allocates them just about anywhere.

      A bit like CRH, on steroids, and several hundred times larger.

      This DOES create a massive income disparity, it should be noted.

    • mcsean2163

      Flexibility is an issue here in the UK.

  4. Deco

    Actually, now we in the RoI have a problem. Our make-it-up-as-you-are-going-along Marxist anti-DUP nutter brigade. In effect our political DUP. Except they are even worse. They are endlessly seeking PR stunts and avoiding all forms of responsibility.

    They do not yet hold the balance of power. But they are extremely well financed. They are corrupt. They are backed by criminal gangs. And they are in Kildare Street. And they are growing.

    More concerning, there is no media effort to reveal what they really are.

    The casualty, in all of this has been the SDLP. Once SF overpowered the SDLP, by sheer weight of financial power, and muscle on the street. They effectively know which nationalists vote for them now. They are turning nationalist areas of the North into one party run districts. This is very dysfunctional.

    The SDLP has gone into decline.

    The DUP will initially be bought off like the Healy Raes. It will look funny. It will be relatively cheap.

    More problematic is NI superficialism, which will cause the Tories to scratch their heads in absolute bemusement.

    SF will want this, as it gaurantees their continued ability to scare their voters into supporting them.

  5. Deco

    Q. What is Red, has a white beard, is always upbeat, jolly cheeks, makes outlandish promises, is an uniformed moral judge, throws around free stuff, and is believed by the young and naive ?

    A. Santy Corbyn.

  6. Deco

    “One of the reasons for this is that productivity in England — output per head — has been low for a very long time. So while unemployment is low, wages are not growing because the people in jobs are not very productive”

    Because of a misallocation of resources into the property market. Overconcentration of investment in the South East, often because that is where the business is, has also contrbuted to this misallocation.

    This causes an increase in the cost of living, which causes an increase in divestment to over external economies.

    This is most evident in the London Stock Exchange which acts as a conduit for investment all over the world, especially in the resource sector.

    If we look at the push towards Crossrail 1, and Crossrail 2, and the Northern link via Manchester Picaddilly, we can see a public policy initiave to address this imbalance.

    Ireland – take note. Our public transport mess is not good enough. And our overcentralization is costing us dearly.

    • Grzegorz Kolodziej

      “Because of a misallocation of resources into the property market.” – exactly.

      In developed countries, productivity is very much connected with financial capital investment. Well, that’s gone to the City and properties. Germans, who don’t see houses as a speculation, wiselt invest that money into production and various foundations all over Europe aimed to bribe politicians in other countries to obey the III Reich (that, from a legal point of view, never capitulated).

      So they have higher productivity than the English d e s p i t e working so much less than the English or the Irish – and Greeks too (the Germans are now among the laziest people in Europe – 3/4 of working hours of some other nations in Europe, and one of the longest holidays).

      • michaelcoughlan

        “So they have higher productivity than the English d e s p i t e working so much less than the English or the Irish – and Greeks too (the Germans are now among the laziest people in Europe – 3/4 of working hours of some other nations in Europe, and one of the longest holidays).”

        I am sure its true if you say so. Makes a mockery of the article blaming the WORKER; “the people in jobs are not very productive”.

        Lazy as fuck assumption mcwilliams.

        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          Average annual hours actually worked per worker:

          Germany: 1 371 and f a l l i n g year by year
          Netherlands: 1 419
          France: 1 482
          Denmark: 1 457
          Luxembourg: 1 507 and falling year by year
          Belgium: 1 541
          Switzerland: 1 590
          Sweden: 1 612
          Austria: 1 625
          Australian: 1 665 (1 779 in 2000)
          UK: 1 674 (pretty much constant since 2002)
          Spain: 1 691
          Canada: 1 706
          Japan: 1 719
          Italy: 1 725
          Hungary: 1 749
          New Zealand: 1 757
          Czech Republic: 1 779
          USA: 1 790
          Ireland: 1 820 ((1 933 in 2000, 1 801 in 2011)
          Estonia: 1 852
          Israel: 1 858
          Lithuania: 1 860
          Iceland: 1 880
          Latvia: 1 903
          Poland: 1 963
          Greece: 2 042
          Korea: 2 113
          Costa Rica: 2,230
          Mexico: 2,246 (a lot of the US productivity is due to the “lazy” Mexicans).

          Gosh, it took me so much more time to compile that table than I thought it would!
          Initially I was going to only give data for countries that interest me most: Ireland, Poland, UK, Germany that always knows what’s best for all of us, the idiotic Sweden, the cowardly France and the cunning Netherlands.
          When I started compiling this data, I couldn’t stop.
          Hope I was of any help to you, Michael.

          P.S. So how do the Carolingians achieve it: work less and yet have higher productivity?

          Well, the most important things is as I said:
          capital investment in those countries goes into production rather than property speculation.


          Where do t h e y take their financial capital from, if City – not Frankfurt is its centre?(yet: I think Frankfurt will be – derivatives clearning and trade of euro nominated bonds I was writing about theoretically as the Carolingians weapon against the City is now being implemented into PRACTICE – I only hope that they didn’t come up with that devious idea because they read me LOL) –
          They have to make up the ground lost to City.
          And they do, my dear Michael, by repeating THIS:


          Remember – publicly, Germany plays a victim that they pay so much in eastern Europe in the EU subsidies.


          W H Y then they were sooooo furious when the EU Commissioner Bienkowska revealed that out of each euro Germany pays to V4 in EU subsidies, 1.25 cents COMES BACK to Germany?

          Do you people comprehend the meaning of it (and this is the third time I write about it)? Well you should, because even Mr McWilliams didn’t know about it.

          Meaning: on paper, they are Europe’s Santa Clause.
          In pratice: it’s V4 that s u b s i d i s e s Germany (this doesn’t count things like brain drain and the loss of jobs – because it just happens that it’s always German companies who win the public contracts – not because they are more PRODUCTIVE (if they were, they would NOT have to rely on Polish subbies), but because they use the trade surpluses to CORRUPT politicians in V4 (or Greece).
          Whether in Ireland too… Well, you tell me.
          Any TD reading this who took money from a German foundation – please stand up LOL
          How would I know? I only know of one columnist for one Irish paper… Jawohl.

          Not to mention that we all know that UK has the EU rebate, but who knows, that Germany also has a rebate? Not that I want to take it away from them – after all they paid all war reparation and debts (hang on – they didn’t actually…) and are now a peacuful nation – European I’d say (that however refuses to sign Peace Treaty with Poland)
          I mean, good for them with the rebate and well done
          It’s just
          You don’t hear that from them, like…
          Masters masters of propaganda (them and the Dutch).
          “Come crowling faster
          Obey your master
          Master of puppets is pulling your strings”

          More Europe in Europe:


          P.S. I. Lest someone thinks I’m in any way Germanophobic: Jeez no – Wagner is, apart from Chopin and Debussy, my favourite composer.
          P.S. II. I’m slightly Francophobic though, but only on their war betrayal fronts.
          But I could easily have French friends.
          Though I don’t

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            More Europe in Europe =


            This reminds of a story my friend from Leipzig told me (I do have German friends) – in the 1990s, it turned out that in the 1930s, someone in Thuringen (former DDR) juxtaposed green and brown leaf trees in a forest so that they would form swastika. This was only visible from the air. So they cut off the brown trees. But this made swastika even more visible. So they had to cut the entire forest.

          • Truthist

            Surely the English are THE MASTERS OF PROPAGANDA ? ;
            Even if they do it not for themselves, but rather for “THE CITY” ensconced in London.
            The English Propagandists are more skillful & effective than :
            the German Propagandists ?
            the Dutch Propagandists ?
            YES / NO answers will be appreciated because I value ur judgement so highly.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            For a very s i m p l e reason: the English (as in England, UK) propagandists are excellent o n l y within the real of the English language.


            They are h e l p l e s s in the realm of other languages.
            In fact, they weren’t able to buy any German newspaper – German blocked them.

            English propagandists write predominantly in English speaking countries – actually, make that UK+Ireland only.
            Yes, they have BBC World Service, but that’s only available for those who learned English.

            German propagandists, in turn, are writing articles in every country of continental Europe (in Poland, they own almost all local newspapers; and Lidl has actively engaged in supporting KOD)

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            Sorry – not Lidl: Rossman.
            Rossman has a free brochure in Poland and they appealed to people to go to KOD marches and support abortion.

            The old Himmler’s depopulation plan for central and eastern Europe.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            Speaking of German propaganda: this photo shows one page from a CONTEMPORARY history textbook in German schools (David McWilliams – pray, have a look):


            P.S. For those who don’t read German – I won’t translate the whole page, but the encircled sentence states “mass deportations into Polish camps (of the Jews – G.K.)” – and not only “Polish camps”,
            but -
            since 1938
            (nineteen thirty fucking EIGHT).

            That’s as accurate as if the English were saying that it was the Irish who had driven away the English from their lands during Cromwell times, and that on Bloody Sunday, the Irish State sent troops from Dublin and opened fire to peaceful loyalist protesters on Bloody Sunday.

            Imagine that t h i s was written in English history textbooks!

            And that England would demand the Cork harbour from the Irish as a compensation for those events, at the same time criticising them as intolerant, and meddling in their affairs.


            I know, I know, verbal abuse would be hurled at me for what I’m going to say: but I think that compared to the anti-Polish propaganda that the German state is engaged in (as this is not an isolated case, but a constant pattern in their media and textbooks), the current post-Paisley DUP attitude towards the Irish can be considered more than reasonable – it can be considered magnanimous.


            Don’t you ever think for a second that bearing in mind “Thou Shalt Not Steal” and Ms Foster’s “Cash For Ash” merry-go-round, I would be naive to think that their (DUP) Christianity is more for show, me thinks.

            I think that everyone here gets it wrong about DUP: far from being Christian fundamentalists and right-wing, the DUP actually marries Christian form with Marxist substance (Christianity is based on the idea of self-sacrifice and voluntarily conversion, Marxism is based on the idea of coercion and expropriation); Sinn Fein in turn marries nationalist form with Marxist substance.

            They both created a state where 60% of GDP goes through the state, more than in socialist Sweden and Europe’s record.
            And all their differences can be boiled down to: should things in the North stay as they are, or should the Irish be redistributed a little bit more equally?
            Because it only is about the redistribution – if it was about nationalism and honour, Mr Adams would not have been taking salary from Her Majesty the Queen (what’s good or proud in refusing to take seats in Westminster if you still take money from Westminster?).


            What would Jesus say about the current DUP and Sinn Fein? (let alone psychopats like Martin Schulz).

            Mark 12:38-40 (NET)

            “12:38 In his teaching Jesus also said, “Watch out for the experts in the law. They like walking around in long robes and elaborate greetings in the marketplaces, 39 and the best seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets. 40 They devour widows’ property, and as a show make long prayers. These men will receive a more severe punishment.”?

  7. Deco

    The DUP will cause the Tories to have another General Election within months.

    Boris will end up losing that head of floppy hair.

    • yadayada

      Arlene is unlikely to get too close to the tories, since there’s a fair chance mr c will be in number 10 in a matter of weeks. Caution required there.

  8. E. Kavanagh

    The percentage of the vote supporting the SDLP and SF has increased by about 3.5% per year since the 2015 general election. At this rate there’ll be a nationalist majority by 2023.

    Kenny’s twitter warning to May about the Good Friday Agreement is quite timely, with the DUP holding such sway.

    • Deco

      And then what will happen ?

      1 Million Unionists are difficult to handle as things stand. Suddenly, they will go ape.

      Some of them were very militant when THEY were in charge. When the government in D2 is in charge, with it’s opaque decision making, a dishonest media, and corrupt political machines – plus all the incompetence, there will be serious problems.

      NI only works with massive subsidies, and under adult supervision.

      The state system here is only operational based on unsustainable borrowing, and absurd taxes on labour. The largesse is simply unsustainable.

      Merge both, and you have a mess.

      The RoI needs to be massively reorganized to make it effective. A complete change in the relationship of the state to the people.

      Oddly enough, D2 is far more condescending and colonial in it’s mentality towards counties like Mayo and Roscommon, than Stormont is to Fermanagh.

      In fact condescension permeates the entirety of the distribtuion of power and wealth system, and the media. The manner in which bank bailouts were shoved through, alongside bailouts for certain wealthy interests (with media criticism being neutered to an eomotive, irrational response that did not alter the policy) is indicative.

      We are on the road to fooling ourselves. And leading the misadventure is the SF aprty who are the newest fans of the nEU empire.

      The Irish Army will run out of recruits when the kids in the midland towns that fill the small infantry batallions, no longer see any point in trying to force a system on Northerners that they no longer believe in themselves. Believe me we are not that far away from that point. Being in the army is a great job as long as you don’t get shot at, and as long as the leadership is clear about it’s moral purpose.

      No doubt SF will be selling the 32 county socialist republican hell hole as the ultimate vision. A place where everybody gets everything for nothing, by sucking out of somebody else.

      The Gardai are so inept they do not even know how many potential terrorists are going through Dublin Airport – and they do not even have the technology to maintain border control.

      They will be incapable of handling the UVF, without that “hard border”.

      The usual pro-EU consensus is clueless. We are walking into a very serious predicament.

      The EU garrison running Ireland is selling us the green jersey as a means to control the UK.

      Wake up people !!!!!

      • Grzegorz Kolodziej

        “NI only works with massive subsidies, and under adult supervision.” – I was very surprised when I first found (a decade ago or so) that NI was more socialist than the socialist Sweden (% of GDP spent by the state).
        So maybe jpuddleduck is right when he or she writes:

        “SF have pursued a policy of turning NI into an economic basket case to hurt the british taxpayer in the hope that the brits wouldn’t want to support NI.”?


        Would SF be t h a t smart?

      • Grzegorz Kolodziej

        “The Gardai are so inept they do not even know how many potential terrorists are going through Dublin Airport” – but there is an even more fundamental thing: there are only 3 armed policemen (shift work I presume, so make it one) at the Dublin Airport.

        Technology to maintain border control is no good if Jihadists in Ireland have Irish passports, and most of them would (through marriage or other help of the always naive people of SF or Workers Party persuasion or Mr Richard Boyd Barrett/Michael “Wanker” Higgins: these two were gagging to promote an event and speak along a Hezbollah terrorists who was however refused entry to Ireland precisely because he was a terrorist).

        What we need is the Swiss solution – 1 gun for 2 people.
        In these towns in the US where owning guns in mandatory, crimes are almost non-existent.

        • Truthist

          “Tenant” of Phoenix Park straddles into environs of Michael D’s Aras ;
          “Is that a bottle of Champagne u have in ur pocket, dear Socialist President, or are u just pleased to see me ?”

  9. woodsey

    It isn’t just Ireland’s farming, food and tourist-related enterprises that depend on the UK economy. All of those who commute back and forth to Britain from Ireland for their daily work are intimately dependent on their income from British jobs to raise their families, pay for education, meet their mortgages and run their cars. Any turn-down in the UK economy, affecting employment in Britain, will leave Ireland dependent on its own tiny economy to support a work-force which it really can’t afford.
    Too much ‘politic-ing’ has lost sight of the essentials!

  10. jpuddleduck

    SF have pursued a policy of turning NI into an economic basket case to hurt the british taxpayer in the hope that the brits wouldn’t want to support NI. They have succeeded beyond all doubt. Westminster gives NI £9bn a year, and as a result I’d say most brits would want to be rid of NI tomorrow if they could.

    What those fools at SF don’t realise is that they’ve helped turn NI into such an economic basket case that there is no way ROI could take on that financial burden, even if they wanted to. The fact is NI need 20-25 years of economic growth for ROI to even consider taking back the 6 counties.

    If SF really wants a united Ireland they should begin a path to steer NI to financial independence. They are not capable of this, and as long as SF and DUP continue to square off on flags, an irish language act and all those other silly issues, the further and further away an all Ireland gets.

    • Grzegorz Kolodziej

      “most brits would want to be rid of NI tomorrow if they could.” – the fact that “who are the DUP?” was one of the most searched phrases on Google in England following the coalition deal would corroborate that.

      • mcsean2163

        Over here in the UK, I actually had a UK lady say to be that she feels sorry for Ireland and would like to see it united. The hatred in the North is a mystery to people over here as it is in The ROI too.

    • Deco

      Thank you !!

      An approach to financing based on robbery, extortion, and begging naive Americans, is clearly inadequate when it comes to running a country.

  11. Grzegorz Kolodziej

    I’d like to use this opportunity to remind the readers of one of Pat Flannery innuendos, for which he was known:

    “Pat Flannery
    November 1, 2016 at 11:59 am

    David may have been taken to the family woodshed by his Belfast wife, who in turn may have had a call from Arlene Foster, daughter of a Fermanagh RUC man and now leader of Ian Paisley’s DUP, urging David to straighten up and fly right by reversing his recent silly positive writings about that doomed and damned land of Canaan down south. So today he dutifully writes the glorious of the promised land up north.”

    “Grzegorz Kolodziej
    November 1, 2016 at 1:09 pm

    Pat – there really is no need for that.”


    and of one of my prophecies:

    “Grzegorz Kolodziej
    April 21, 2015 at 6:48 pm

    The first obvious problem the united Ireland will encounter is how to assimilate the loyalists within its borders and, should they not want to assimilate, what’s next? I have been listening carefully to Sinn Fein’s statements for a decade (hay, I even went to one of their televised meetings in 2006 when Mr. Adams expanded south of the border) and I have never heard of any serious answers to that question. All there was were some platitudes that everyone will be equal in united Ireland. Very well, except what if the loyalists do not want to be in Ireland, what if things go the Ukrainian or Yugoslavian way and they want to separate in areas where there is a majority of them? Mind you, they will refer to democracy and self-determination so it is far from certain that the public opinion in the world will not be on their side (just think of Kosovo).

    “I am not saying that civil war in Northern Ireland is inevitable after the reunification (after all, one of my ex-girlfriends, who was from Derry Bogside and who not only was from a staunch Provo family but against the Good Friday Agreement too, now lives with a loyalist guy in East Belfast), what I am saying is that Ireland will have to find a different way of thinking in terms of what defines the Irishness if it is going to include the loyalists to that definition – in a way that is acceptable to both sides

    “The absent tradition of the Irish empire (ruled from Dublin, not London) would offer a solution to such problem: Irishness would be the allegiance to the Irish state and the Irish constitution, possibly with help of army conscription, which I am not in favour of, but which usually is the strong unifying factor in federal states (the examples would include the now eroding United States, the pre-WWII Poland which even had some small group of Russians fighting against the Soviet Army and the tradition of the multicultural Austro-Hungarian empire – at some stage they had a Polish prime minister in Vienna, Polish foreign minister and Polish speaker of the Parliament, all at the same time; Poland had recently two ministers – the finance minister and the foreign minister – who were British citizens – and it was electing mainly foreign kings because it thought they would be impartial – can you imagine that in Ireland?). But as we would have to go back to first millennium to encounter Celtic imperialism (and this was largely cultural), it is largely academic.

    So there is a second solution: to exclude the loyalists from the united country. This seems unacceptable to most, but I am trying to go through different scenarios. Many people from the republican circles I spoke with were so naïve that they thought that those who will not accept the new state will just leave. Dream on, boys – this is as naïve as Sinn Féin’s wishful thinking during WWII that the Nazis will liberate Ireland from the Brits and then they will leave.
    It would rather lead to a secession of those areas with prevailing loyalist population. Even more likely, it will lead to a state of an ongoing anarchy with other states getting involved, like in the Ukraine. And guess what – the world will be as little interested in it as the Irish media are about the Ukraine.”

    Pre-WWII Poland offers a good example of what happens when a country chooses the nationalistic approach over the imperial approach. When Poland defeated the Soviet Union in 1920, the Soviets offered more territories (of what has historically been the union of Poland and Lithuania) than Poland accepted. In brochure entitled ‘La frontiere Polono-Sovietique’, published in London in 1943, the nationalist negotiator of the Polish government, Stanislaw Grabski, reminisces about returning the Soviet offer of 120,000 square kilometres and justifies it by referring to a doctrine that no country can assimilate ethnic minorities if they constitute more 1/3 of its population.
    The imperial approach of the ousted monarchists would have been different – they would demanded a federation of different states with different official languages, ruled by Warsaw (the communists were against Polish independence) and the dominating force, the Polish Socialist Party (led by the future Chief of State Jozef Pilsudski, who had Irish roots – his coat of arms was Butler) was in between the monarchists and the nationalists which I believe was the worst policy at the time.
    The result of this restrained imperial appetite was a growing resentment of some nationalities, such as Ukrainians and Belarusians (and horrible fate 1,000.000 Poles who had been pushed back to Soviet Union by the Polish state) because they felt that they had been left in the clutches of the Soviets. Poles could no longer count on Ukrainian and Belarusian nationalism with their fight against Russia. Pre-WWII Poland was still too large to assimilate all ethnic minorities (35% of Polish citizens were non-nationals, in case you think Ireland has too many; in regions like Wolyn the non-nationals constituted 84.3% majority). Poland, or rather the dominant force after 1926 – the Polish Socialist Party – did not want to grant an autonomy to those nationalities (it did not even want to grant an autonomy to some regions in Poland) for it feared that would dismember the state. At the same time Poland was too small to be a federation.”

    So what is the Irish strategy for the united Ireland: to assimilate the Ulster loyalists, to grant them an autonomy and have a federal state or to expel them (and would you go about the latter)? I do not see any serious discussion about it in republican circles in Ireland.
    That leads me up to a second problem: policing of the united Ireland. Ireland is a country which is basically defenceless, I am sorry to say. Not only it tolerates some Russian military planes with nuclear capacity flying over its territory (where are all those people who protested against American planes in Shannon?) but it is also a country which has – unless something has changed – six armed Garda detectives patrolling the city of one million. Its supply lines and public services are likely to be more disrupted by a smidgen of snow than they were disrupted in some other countries after the combined attack of Wehrmacht and the Red Army as it cannot operate buses, schools, hospitals and airport with the smallest hint of the white stuff”

    If we are serious about the united Ireland – and everyone seems to be – then we should start considering the increased levels of police and army spending at the cost of insiders salaries and training people how to behave during the civil unrest or war-like situations – and noone does. Just think about it: with the unwanted PSNI and their equipment gone after the reunification, who is going to fill the gap and control Belfast’s streets after dark: drug dealers?”

    Which brings up another aspect that David did not touch on. The United Kingdom consisting of England and Wales will no longer play its role of balancing out the influence of Germany and France in Europe.”

    Now, as to some specific points made in comments below. First, Colin writes that:
    ‘Nigel Farage and most of the English do not view the Irish as foreigners – we are viewed as one of the home nations, and are welcome to come and go at any time. This relationship of freedom of movement of people between the two islands pre-dates the EU, EEC membership, WW2, WW1 and beyond the Act of Union 1801. The rural tenant class in Ireland knew they would get paid double in England for the same labour they did in Ireland in the nineteenth century.’
    Nigel Farage is a clever politician and he would change his views (apart from on the EU) depending on where the wind blows. Currently he does not view Irish as the immigrants but mind you, he is soft on Germans too (despite his rhetoric in the EU parliament). All of this is when the United Kingdom is a federation and Mr.Farage hopes Ireland will join the union this way or the other after Britain’s EU exit (he tentatively started with Ireland joining the Commonwealth).
    If England was on her own and a nationalist state, his views would possibly change. If Ireland was trying to suppress a loyalists separatists uprising in the North after the Irish reunification, his views would certainly change. And then you might start to see in UKiP pubs those horrible signs about the Blacks, the dogs and the Irish you could see in some English pubs up to the 70s.”

    As to Deco, you hit the nail on the head: German experience with DDR is not encouraging. Yes, it achieved its goal after 25 years, but Ireland does not have the resources Germany had and let’s not forget that Germany’s reunification was partly financed by massive capital flight and penal interest rates in peripheral Europe countries. Even after all of that they still ended up with nazis and communists in power in some local councils in East Germany. ”

    if England becomes a country surrounded by independent Scotland, Wales and 32-counties Ireland, things may go very hot in the North very suddenly and the needs of the nation may change. To that you may rightly point out that we do not know what is going to happen and if the situation changes, so will the size of the Irish army (which has meanwhile shrunk to below the 9,500 minimum level because of the retirements and it is at it’s lowest since the 1970s, while the number of call outs for the Army’s bomb disposal experts has increased – but David would rather spend money on transport monopolies than on the army)”

    Ireland is relatively well equipped for the peace time and it is taking some necessary steps to modernise its small army; for example, it has been modernising its 6,000 assault rifles (which is the Austrian Steyer Aug A1) to bring it into line with those used in the UK and the US (and equipping them with COWS), which was followed by signing a breakthrough agreement on defence co-operation between Ireland and the UK (this will provide the Irish Army the British army surplus equipment free of charge). Furthermore, Irish army is better prepared to peacekeeping operations than the British army (therefore British soldiers went to Mali with 8 Irish soldiers). It has recently purchased new anti-riot equipment at the cost of 300,000 euro and many Gardaí have received training in how to deal with riots, which may be useful in united Ireland. It has also been upgrading its missiles (the RBS70), apart from acquiring – after 9/11 – 12 radar-guided AA guns capable of shooting planes within 50 miles (as used in recent exercises in Grangegorman). I also admire the Irish army for what seems to be a very good record on corruption (it is not wasting money) for when Poland was purchasing its fighter jets from the US, it actually ended up with buying obsolete versions of them for more money than Greece spent on more modern versions and it is now paying billions of dollars for the missile system which does not yet exist (the Americans promised they will offset the former by sharing some of their technology by moving some assembly lines to Poland but then it turned out this was all in jest; the main proponent of the Swedish fighter jets in the Polish army has conveniently died in a friendly fire accident over the Baltic Sea).
    However, in times when the Russian planes going through the Irish airspace like knife goes through butter, this is a different game altogether. The RBS70 is perfectly fine for helicopters and passenger or cargo jets (in 1992 Venezuela used it to shoot down OV-10 Bronco), but not for Mr. Putin (let alone the AA guns), if he fancies exerting some geopolitical pressure on Ireland in the context of David’s article about the new UK, bereft of Scotland and possibly Northern Ireland. The weakness of RBS70 is that it can only engage targets visually. Does the Irish army have enough target acquisition and tracking radar to use it its full potential? I hope I am wrong, but the main Irish strategy seems to be that RAF will take care of them jets because they might be heading for the UK. Well, this may be more problematic if England is deprived of her military bases in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland (I assume that in David’s scenario of Northern Ireland leaving the UK England will take away all their equipment). And this is all assuming that Ireland and England will always play in one team”

    Adam Byrne
    April 25, 2015 at 5:04 pm
    I lived in Hungary for 5 years. Grzegorz, so I think I have a reasonable understanding of how you Central Europeans think.
    A healthy paranoia is a valid defence mechanism.
    Nem, Nem soha!”



  12. michaelcoughlan


    The board more and more resembles the island of Ireland;

    Dysfunctional, paranoid, fatalistic, deluded, consuming its young truthist like,

    as fuck.

    Man o man I need a shag.

    • Mike Lucey


    • Deco

      MC, if we tell the truth, then we will know what is to be fixed.

      If live in the realm of RTE(pravda) then we will be led along by the nose from one episode of ineptitude to another, always thinking that the solution is “more EU rope” and “more resources”.

      • Truthist

        Also, important to consider is that there was a very large population of direct emigrants from Ireland in England & Scotland & I presume Wales too before the Great Hunger.
        And, there were a massive amount of descendants of Irish emigrants in Britain then also.
        The Malthusian inspired F..sn Dudes in Ireland + their counterpart F..sn Dudes across the water must have had many a meeting at their lodges over the years ahead of the Genocide inflicted on our forebears dedicated to the problem of the Irish multiplying like “vermin” [ Ref. Ian Paisley's choice of words ].
        RE ; GERRY ADAMS
        I am not the only one who thinks that he is as compromised as Nelson Mandela ;
        And, Adams & Mandela were public allies.
        Mandela was MI6 agent.
        De Klerk also.
        Middle Class & Average Farmstead Farmers & Working Class Whites — especially Boers — are being punished with onslaught of poverty & assaults, & worse.
        Poor Blacks are also big losers in the new South Africa.
        South Africa is going down the tubes fast now ;
        I heard that 30 % of White South Africans are of Irish descent.
        Most of them would be very capable workers.
        Adams suspected as being of The Communist Internationale
        If he really is, The Dreadful Few will definitely help Adams install Socialist hell-hole regime that Deco often refers to for all in this country ;
        The “homeless”, & the “homeless + roofless”, in Irish State both endure that regime already from the Department of Social Welfare & the various other typical government bodies that citizens in these circumstances encounter.
        They are the modern day equivalent of the Spailpin Fanach.

      • michaelcoughlan

        Hi Deco,

        Your commentary is always a cut above the rest. “MC, if we tell the truth, then we will know what is to be fixed”

        Let me tell you somethin I think: Everyone knows the truth. You adam and tony keep telling it. No one in the establishment gives a fuck.

        Time for Deco to focus his talents on a solution that will work knowing the fuck up the country is at the moment rather than whingening on and on truthist like wishful thinking stating the obvious over and over again don’t you think?



  13. Deco

    Ultimately, the most important relationship in Irish policy making that is external to the institutional state, is that between Dublin 2 and Westminster. That MUST be business like, effective, and functioning, or else anarchy follows.

    The second most important relationship is with American capital. That MUST be functioning, or else there will be capital flight.

    The one with Stormont is important, but it is rarely functional, as Stormont is a kindergarten, capable of producing tantrums.

    The Stormont relationship would be improvesd if the ruling coalition consisted of the UUP and the SDLP. But unfortunately, our establishment just produced a haymaker that floored both the UUP and the SDLP. And they did this to please the fourth key relationship. That is the relationship between D2 and EU power.

    The fourth relationship is a controlling relationship, with bribes, lies, coverups, pretence, manipulation and a complete lack of respect.

    Relationship number 4 is broken. And it will break the other 3 if the current trajectory continues. SF are programmed to want to wreck the other 3.

    We also have a inner focus relationship problem – the relationship between the state and the people. That is very abusive, dishonest and pretenscious. The people have responded in kind when given an opportunity.

    • Truthist

      Ironically ;
      Very likely that now non-active I.R.A. members would agree with ur analysis.
      All Johnny-come-lately’s to Sinn Fein & veteran politico Sinn Fein politicians would refute completely what u say.
      Nonetheless, u speak the truth.
      Creationist ; Makes logical + intuitive sense
      However, this topic is relatively recent on the world stage.
      Climate-change-denying ;
      I understand that they are not so ; Rather they accept that the Earth is always undergoing climate change NATURALLY.
      And, they most probably refute as scientifically unsound that CO2 causes global warming, & even more so they would refute that C02 causes climate change.
      The Ulster-Scots have a most high body of achievement in the sciences let’s not forget.
      Evangelicals ;
      So what !
      Are not the media pundits & politicians evangelicals in their own way ;
      And, David & Co. would not anything wrong in that ;
      “Champagne Communist” Bernie Sanders could not help himself but campaign for abortion in a land where it is repugnant to the populace.
      Marriage Equality ;
      Yes, the Unionists should come to their senses about this issue & henceforth call the civil union / marriage of 2 persons of EQUAL Chromosome pairing as truly Marriage EQUALITY.
      “Render to Caesar what is his …” & all that but with edict by the law that such civil pairing persons & their entourage be discreet & refrain from being a sore in ordinary peoples’ eyes, especially for the sake of the children.
      Maybe Sharia Law would help to clean up Ireland of drug dealers & drug addicts etc etc by arresting the like ;
      Although, innocent drug addicts should not be actually arrested.
      Hard labour in doing constructive work for the guilty.

      the devil’s work and opening shops on a Sunday contravenes God’s word.

      • Truthist

        Last clause got posted inadvertently ;
        But, yes, according to the Jewish Torah … & TALMUD & … & also according to Christianity & also according to Islam … & I think also according to Buddhism there should be a common day of rest each week ;
        Aside from honoring the respective religions, a day of rest is good for the person.
        Of course, the Judaic Sabbath is on Saturday & the Christian Sabbath is on Sunday ;
        But, that can be “worked” around.

      • Grzegorz Kolodziej

        “Maybe Sharia Law would help to clean up Ireland of drug dealers & drug addicts etc etc by arresting the like ;” – no, you are wrong: Sharia police are completely fine with drugs (I witnessed that myself in London when a friend of mine needed some ganja – which I don’t smoke, lest you forget – and he went to buy it from one of them Arabic shops in the Sharia-controlled area) – it’s only alcohol that they beat people for.
        In some places Berlin, it’s far worse – they would beat you up if you DON’T buy drugs from them.
        In fact, I think that drugs smuggling into Europe is a part of deal for the recent arrivals.

        To summarise: Sharia Law = more drugs

        • Truthist

          HEADING ;
          Bill Dannemeyer
          U.S.A. Congressman, 1979-1992
          INTRO ;
          Your U.S. government can now legally kill Christians for the “crime” of worshipping Jesus Christ!
          A diabolic deception has been perpetrated on the American people by their OWN leaders, Senators and Congressmen, who have sold their soul to the devil.
          On March 5, 1991, in the House of Representatives, and March 7, 1991, in the U.S. Senate, without any knowledge of, or input by, the people of the United States, U.S. Senators and Congressmen passed a law that is so outrageous – and frankly unconstitutional – that it forces the American people to be bound by a set of monstrous rules, called the Noahide Laws, rules that make the belief in Jesus Christ a crime punishable by decapitation by guillotine !
          On March 20, 1991, President George H.W. Bush, a supposed Christian, signed the bill into law.

          Before you respond, “NO, that cannot be – not in our free country!” let me explain.

          The passage of this law, HJ Res. 104, is especially troublesome to me because I was a member of the U.S. House of Representatives at the time it was passed.
          Even worse, I was in the House Chamber the very day that is was passed, voting on other legislation.
          Yet I, as a U.S. Congressman, had NO KNOWLEDGE that it had been passed or even that it was to be brought up for a vote.

          How could this be ?
          How could the deception be so pervasive that those of us who had sworn to uphold our country’s Constitution, particularly those of us (few, indeed) who really took our position seriously as the protectors of the people, could be totally in the dark regarding the content of this bill and its passage by the leaders of this country – by treachery and deceit ?

          Here’s how it happened ! …”

    • Grzegorz Kolodziej

      As the Catholic Church decays more and more, I’m warming up more and more to Evangelicals.


      Are the DUP evangelicals? I’ve never heard of Evangelicals dabbling with terrorism.

  14. Deco

    NI sent two gangs to Westminster.

    One of them will NOT attend.

    And the other consists of a vocabulary where the first word is “NO”.

    What a mad place !!!!!!

    Have they no sense of rational contructiveness ?

    NI has a psychological problem. And now they get to infect the Dail and the House of Commons, by spreading their disease around.

  15. terryhewett

    A few points on the 2017 UK General Election:

    The financials are reported to be in shock that the 40% of the Brits voted for a dangerous Marxist loony who has had contact with every terrorist organisation known to man bar one: Brexit was bad but this is worse they complain. They really do find great difficulty in thinking on any terms other than the bottom line of a balance sheet: it seems to be one of the reasons why they cock things up with such monotonous regularity.

    It has re-affirmed that all politics is local:

    • PM May made the mistake of attacking her own core vote – the oldies: the very ones that voted her in and voted for Brexit – the pension funds have been repeatedly raided by both parties in the past: the poorest have bailed out the richest – enough is enough they said.

    • This led the Labour component of Ukip returning to the Labour Party and not to Cross the Tiber and vote for May – same old Tories they said.

    • Betraying their core vote is both Labour Party and Conservative Party territory so the big message from the oldies to politicians of all parties is: “Don’t f*ck with us.”

    • The UK 2017 GE has finally put to rest the myth that Ukip is a far right party. It is composed of half Labour voters and half Conservative: but all are socially conservative. It is a coalition held together by one thing: an utter loathing of the EU and its destruction of UK sovereignty. Farage is a puller whether you like him or not and the best rhetorician bar none in UK politics today – look for fireworks if he takes control of Ukip. He will drive all the usual suspects quite insane with rage.

    • Labour got the anti-Tory youth vote out. No official figures exist but a New Musical Express exit poll gave the turnout of the under-35s as 56%: up by 12 points over the 2015 GE and that two-thirds of those voted for the Labour Party.

    • The Labour Party played it exceptionally well and it was a success for the Labour campaign strategy: but it should be noted that they still lost. Even though the Tories played it exceptionally badly.

    • The UK electoral landscape has never been so uncertain: the situation is now so fluid that vast constituency majorities of all parties can vanish overnight.

    • The Irish and Scots Unionist battalions have rescued the English yet once again: and this will mean a great deal – not the least an injection of some much needed backbone and some people who look and act like normal people: what Ruth Davidson would have done to Corbyn doesn’t bear thinking about.

    • Ruth Davidson is not a Westminster MP but that can be fixed: it has been proposed that she has her eye on the separation of the Scottish Tories from the UK Tory Party, on Bute House and ultimately on Federation: although to be fair she denies this but it is a strand of Scottish Tory thinking. She and fellow Scot Michael Gove will be the ones to watch. And sly-boots Johnson: not Boris but his younger brother Joseph.

    • The EU conflict has very nearly claimed its 3rd UK Prime Minister: 4th if you count Edward Heath. Or the 5th that never was: Enoch Powell.

    • The world is watching this bloodfest with amazement: have the Brits lost the plot? They don’t realise that Westminster has always been like this except in the past they knifed each other in private lest they frighten the horses: now they do it in public – the English have never lost their taste for public executions.

    • They forget that this is the land of Shakespeare’s Titus Andronicus: so Michel Barnier would be well advised to keep his hand on his ha’penny.

    • Politics is a tough game but the feeding frenzy attacking May now she is vulnerable is repulsive and carried out by the very people who were hero-worshipping her only 4 weeks before the election: I hope May survives to confound them all. The Scot Michael Gove is now back in government don’t rule out another Boris/Gove partnership: what’s a stab in the back between friends.

    • michaelcoughlan

      “They really do find great difficulty in thinking on any terms other than the bottom line of a balance sheet: it seems to be one of the reasons why they cock things up with such monotonous regularity.”

      Pure poetry.

      Super post.


  16. Truthist

    I was reliably informed by a Sinn h member that for period of a year or so before the Anglo Irish Agreement they Sinn Fein were flooded by new members who are secretly Fianna Fail ;
    F..msn F..ckers to my North ;
    F..msn F..ckers to my South ;
    F..msn F..ckers over yonder in British Isles ; Especially in “The City”
    F..msn F..ckers have taken over the Vatican
    F..msn F..ckers control Italy
    F..msn F..ckers control France

  17. I have been entertaining myself reading the new commentary and the analysis by the bloggers. Some very good stuff to cogitate and ruminate upon.
    What is it all about ?
    last evening was sunny with a fair breeze and so we went on and exploratory drive around the neighbourhood. You know, going up the lanes and byways usually driven past in the hurry of going from A to B. It was delight. We found a secluded farm here and there; Drove down long avenues of stately maples; discovered a view of ocean and mountain and then at the end of a cul de sac was a 50 yard stroll to view scenic Duck Bay and its lightly ruffled waters. On wending our way back we debated whether to visit Penny’s Pantry at the local golf course or to try Dagwoods Diner but decided to return to the comfort of home.

    It was then we wandered to the allotment. Last year I took it apon myself to transplant some errant strawberry plants and the myriad suckers growing in all directions. This year show spectacular results. Despite a late Spring colder and wetter, the first gorgeous red ripe strawberry arrived before the end of MAY.
    Allowing a few days for more to ripen we have the last two weeks harvest quarts of red luscious berries every 2-3 days. We have made every effort to consume as we go and so far consumption just exceeds the supply. Added is a dash of pure cream, a little peach , apple, and pear , saved from last year and we indulge ourselves in a feast fit for Royalty.

    Then not to mention the health benefits.
    I am looking forward to blackberry season, and to scrumping for pears and apples.

    There are some other things in life.

  18. Deco

    Theresa May says “I got you into this mess, and I will get you out of this mess”. [ Hey Bertie...are you listening ? ]

    Of course this is from the DT – effectively this is PROPAGANDA.


    Well, it is an honest assessment of her “performance”. No point in pretending anymore.

    Most Western countries are crying out for honest, direct, say-it-as-it-is leadership. In fact it seems that the Television news networks always seek to ensure that a “ditherer” is in charge.

    I had expected an internal row. There probably will still be an internal row.

    Then there is the happy together photo. BoJo is on one side, and Amber Rudd is on the other side. I wonder which of the two will take over from her ?

    I don’t expect them to do anything until Corbyn is discredited in some manner, first.

    The people with the money in Britain will not be happy with the performance and the volatility.

    The pressure on the UK government, to get their act together will be enormous.

  19. Truthist


  20. coldblow

    I find myself admiring the DUP the way David describes them.

    Creationist. What is wrong with that? Whatever way you define it it makes much more sense than the blind chance of what is understood as evolution. There is no contest between a purposeful Creation and pointlessness. The sniggering of the elites supports the view that Creationism is nothing more than common sense.

    Climate-change-denying. How *do* people still believe the AGW nonsense. All of the evidence points to a mass delusion. This is one of the mysteries of our age, except that there are other, even weirder mysteries.

    Evangelicals. Not my cup of tea. I prefer solemn ritual than charismatic worship and the sound of a guitar tuning up as I enter a church is a provocation. Still, I can’t imagine a DUP folk group performing Morning Highs Broken. Evangelicism as accepting scripture as the inspired word of God: they are quite right to believe this, but as a Catholic they go too far in giving precedence to the Bible above Church teaching.

    Marriage equality is the devil’s work. This is silly because it is clearly a weapon to destroy custom and tradition and to berate ordinary people. Marriage *equality*?? There are absolutely no privileges in marriage but rather disadvantages as can be seen by the preference of so many people to avoid it. I don’t remember tax individuation causing much comment when it was introduced here a few years ago. So they destroy marriage and make it close to worthless and then get worked up into a lather that homosexuals are not allowed to get married. It is obviously just another illiberal piece of ‘progressive’ social engineering which none but a tiny vocal minority (and of course a witless vocal media) asked for. Even Tatchell opposed the judgement in the Asher Bakery case because it seriously undermined liberty. gay-cake-row-i-changed-my-mind-ashers-bakery-freedom-of-conscience-religion

    Sunday trading. They are right about this too. What is sacred about your right to go shopping seven days a week?

    No support for Unionism. I agree there is little residual support for Unionism on the ‘mainland’ because nobody there knows what the concept means (any more than we here know what being Irish means) because they are all living the progressive dream. The Conservatives sold out Unionism many years ago just like they sold out social conservatism. Hitchens persuasively argues that there is no difference between Labour Blairites and Tory ones. May supported the EU, bizarrely claims against the evidence that she went to a comprehensive school (it was a grammar school and only went comprehensive well into her time there, and even then they streamed the intake) and vocally supported the lies and hysteria of the *I believe her* cheerleaders of the abuse witch-hunts.

    From county council to the big stage and Newsnight! Well, our TDs are no more than county councillors and, in so far as they are merely cyphers of EU law, so are the other elected representatives in Europe. Newsnight? I stopped watching it long ago. I had been watching it back in 2011 or 2012 when they started going on about Jimmy Savile and some vague cover-up. If I want David Icke then I will watch David Icke.

    I didn’t follow the election. My guess is that young people (and not so young people, who have even less reason to be misinformed) were swayed by the hysterical reaction to Brexit and the Trump election. Hitchens admires Corbyn for his old fashioned socialism and I can see his point, but his policies are of course deranged, even if he does not support insane attacks on foreign countres, which so many supported (and still support) here. I was idly looking at a video about global warming on a small, offbeat (and more than a bit whacky) YouTube channel and this man called Pierse Corbyn was talking a lot of sense about the warmist claptrap. I left a comment and went to look him up on Wiki – he is only Jerremy’s brother.

    Who are the DUP? Further proof of the alarming drop in standards of education and knowledge. I was amazed after the World Trade Centre attack to hear everyone saying that only a handful of assiduous readers of the foreign news pages had ever heard of Bin Laden. Well I had.

    • coldblow


      This is the link Peter Tatchell’s article. If he of all people thinks it is oppressive then it surely is.

      Finally, in the 1970s it was my considered opinion based on observation that the English gravitated to places like Killarney and congregated in the boozers. The Germans, and to a lesser extent the French, were the ones driving around Connemara and West Cork, up and down the narrow lanes and by-roads, looking for whatever they were searching for. “The free Nature” or whatever. I used to like Ballaghaderreen because it didn’t really get any of them, just family visiting, but now D4 has signalled its virtue by dumping hundreds of Arabs there.

    • coldblow

      Here is Piers Corbyn (Jeremy’s brother) talking about AGW and Brian Cox.


    • Grzegorz Kolodziej


      The used to say about Bertrand Russell (after he abandoned mathematical logic – the intense work burned him out – and started to support the USSR): “the most educated fool in England”

      You do remember when I said that Prof. Dawkins censored my article on his website (he loves to put abusive remarks about him on his website, in order to set the stage for his narrative in which all his oponents are aggressive and stupid, and he is calm and rational (German propaganda loves that too) – but he shuns from confronting any serious academic stuff – and usually chooses an idiot for a “debate” – when he had serious opponents in Oxford University, he lost all the debates) in which I proved that his Boeing 747 Argument is burdened with some really basic logical fallacies;
      so I turned up at one of his public lectures and he couldn’t answer my simple question about his theory for 45 minutes (he was saying he’ll come on to that later, so every 5 minutes I reminded him LOL).
      Btw, we Poles are amazed were Mr Dawkins became Britain’s most known scientist in the 2000s, when the peak of his popularity in Poland was in… the late 1970s/early 1980s (when he was a better author, btw), and then, when the quality of his writing went to the dogs, his popularity in Poland faded.
      So when the Poles (well, not the plumbers, but those of academic background) started to move to London and they witnessed all that Dawkins-craze… this was as if someone was running London Buses with billboards saying: “You’ve been lied to for all your life – a new theory by Copernicus argues that it’s the e a r t h that orbits’the sun”).

      • coldblow

        Richard Dawkins is great value for a laugh. I bought his book just to mock it but I can’t find it when I need it!

        This interview with Ben Stein is a classic:


        I particularly like it when he asks Dawkins if he believes in any gods at all, perhaps some Hindu ones. Stein has a hilarious cameo part in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off playing an incredibly boring economics teacher (“Anyone? Anyone? Voo-doo economics”)

        I made the point on YouTube (probably buried in the comments to the linked video) in response to a comment saying that it was disgraceful how Dawkins had been set up by Stein. Well, that is exactly what Dawkins did to Rupert Sheldrake (a respected scientist whom Wiki cannot bring itself to actually describe as a ‘scientist’):


        Do please read this as it is yet another absolute classic of the genre.

        Back to Stein, Dawkins’s acolytes really cannot bear it when he (and they) are mocked. After all, it is *they* who are the clever ones who should be dishing it out!

        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          OMG, Coldblow, the Stein interview is soo funny!
          I only watched until Prof. Dawkins’ mastery of probability calculus shined through and had to pause it because I choked on sparkling water to my dinner when he gave the figure of 99%, Mr Stein asked him why 99%, and Mr Dawkins said I don’t know, you asked me to gave a figure and I gave a figure :-)))))))))))) Oh, that’s brilliant

          • coldblow

            Here’s the Ferris Bueller clip with Stein as an economics teacher:


            Here is a Bertrand Russell quote from Booker’s The Neophiliacs (1969):

            “Macmillan, Kennedy and Khruschev are the wickedest people in the history of man.”

            The 89-year-old philosopher made this statement from prison, where he had been sent for incitement to riot over a banned CND march:

            “Kennedy and Khruscheve, Adenauer and de Gaulle, Macmillan and Gaitskell are pursuing a common aim, the ending of human rights. You, your familiies, your friends and your countries, are to be exterminated by the common decision of a few brutal but powerful men.”

            Jung from the same book:

            “During the past thirty years, people from all the civilised countries on earth have consulted me… among all my patients in the second half of life, – that is to say, over thirty five – there has not been one whose problem in the last resort was not that of finding a religious outlook on life. It is safe to say that every one of them fell ill because he had lost that which the living religions of every age have given to their followers, and none of them has been really healed who did not regain his religious outlook.”


            “We have plunged down a cataract of progress which sweeps us on into the future with ever wilder violence the further it takes us from our roots. Once the past has been breached… there is no stopping the forward motion. But it is precisely the loss of connection with our past, our uprootedness, which has given rise to the ‘discontents’ of civilisation; and to such a flurry of haste that we live more in the future and its chimerical promises of a golden age than in the present, with which our whole evolutionary background has not yet caught up. We rush impetuously into novelty, driven by an mounting sense of insufficiency, dissatisfaction and restlessness… We refuse to recognise that everything better is purchased at the price of something worse.”

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            But I have something to reciprocate: a clip from Prof. Dawkins’ discussion that probably equals the entertainment value of Stein’s clip (I have tears in my eyes from laughter having watched both):


            It reminds me of a review of some murky article in the philosophy of science that one of the philosophers of the Lvov-Warsaw school (I think it was Ajdukiewicz) wrote before WWII. The review was brutal as it formalised all logical fallacies in the article that he reviewed. The title of this review befits Prof. Dawkins so much: the thorough review was titled (forgive me if I deliberately retain the Polish syntax to better render the spirit of its caustic humour):

            “True problems he didn’t see; those that he saw – he didn’t understand”.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            I mean, I think it was Kazimierz Ajdukiewicz that wrote the review – not that he wrote the murky article. Ajdukiewicz was one of the most perceptive philosophers of the 20th century, and his radical linguistic conventionalism (that he rejected) preceded some discussions in the philosophy of language that didn’t take place until decades later, with his refutation of his own theory still not being assimilated. Speaking of Ajdukiewicz, the famous Noam Chomsky freely took from his categorial grammar concept (I remember you frowned at me that I said I value him as a linguist – well, it’s not my fault that he last seriously dealt with linguistics in 1950s, and moved to political philosophy that he has little clue about). Another famous philosopher, Thomas Kuhn – the guy who coined the phrase paradigm – was more literal in his “borrowing” and literary came up with his paradigm theory after ripping the work of another philosopher of the Lvov-Warsaw School, Ludwik Fleck.
            Eventually, after the first monography of the Lvov-Warsaw School was published in English (I happened to know both its author and his first reviewer in the US), that could no longer been hidden, so in new editions of Kuhn’s book, Fleck is mentioned. Once. In the preface.
            P.S. You might also be interested that when Jews start to be transported into Auschwitz, which wasn’t until 1943 – originally, Auschwitz was a camp for the Polish intelligentsia and these were its first victims – the great Fleck was taken there by the German occupiers, and spent times between 1943-1945 in Auschwitz and Buchenwald.
            Why is that interesting? Well, some readers might be shocked that a Jew could have spent 2 full years in Nazi German camps and survive.
            Very interesting figures those 2: Ajdukiewicz and Fleck; both worth remembering.
            Another famous logician (those two were rather philosophers of science), Jan Lukasiewicz, decided to move Ireland after WWII rather than move to the US – like almost all his colleagues (practically the entire tradition of logic in California was based on 2 refugees – notice lack of quotation marks at the word refugee – German Rudolph Carnap and a Pole Alfred Tarski).
            But Jan Lukasiewicz (he invented 3 value logic) stayed in Ireland and taught in UCD, and UCD had one of its buildings named after him until 2000s, when they changed it, because Lukasiewicz – apart from being one of the world’s top 3-4 logicians – was a staunch Catholic, and in new Ireland, this was too much.
            I happen to know a person who remembers him, a TCD professor emeritus of philosophy, who is now approaching 100 years. Actually, a man who was born in prods family in Co Dawn and chose Ireland as his home after WWII! So there you go. A wonderful person – the most gentle of all people I know, and that includes me.

          • coldblow


            I’ll look at the video link when I go home from work.

            I don’t remember that ‘frown’ of mine about Chomsky. I have watched him a couple of times on YouTube, one of them recent about the purpose of education (the full clichéd view, and lots of admiring posts in the comments box) and an old debate with a conservative about US foreign policy. In this latter he was more impressive, at least in his command of historical detail, but not at all persuasive for me. The reason for this is that I look at it through a psychological prism and see that with Chomsky, as with countless others, his progressive ideology dictates the selection of facts and their interpretation.

            I actually have no interest in his linguistic theory, any more than anyone else’s. I remember reading Steven Pinker’s The Language Instinct some years ago and I think he goes on about Chomsky. Looking back, again some of it was interesting but I am not persuaded, again for the same psychological reasons. Pinker wrote a widely reviewed book fairly recently (everything since about 1990 counts as ‘recent’ to me) about there being less violence in the world now than there ever was. I would be interested in looking through it (though as with Dawkins without having to actually read it) simply to try to debunk it!

            Daniel Everett’s Don’t Sleep There Are Snakes about his years spent with the Paraha people in the Amazon is very interesting. Perhaps they were the last Noble Savages. Anyway, Everett claims their language has no recursion and this disproves Chomsky’s deep grammar theory. (Not that I care much either way.) Like the bishop in Fr Ted converted by Dougal’s philosophy Everett has become a liberal atheist (he had gone there originally as an evangelical missionary and learnt their language so to be able to translate the Bible into it). Again, psychologically fascinating for me.

            Now I am here one of the things he says about the Paraha is that they live in the present moment and have no interest in, or even concept, of things that happened beyond living memory, or at most the living memory of the witness who reported the fact. Obviously this made the translation of the Bible difficult and Everett gave up the struggle and became an atheist. But about this living in the present moment thing, my in-laws in South Kerry are like the Paraha in this respect, and when I think about it so are probably most people I know! A figure? 99%!!

          • coldblow

            Oh yes. The ‘paradigm’ word. That was all the rage when I was at university. Before that I think it was ‘semantics’. Do you know what the current ‘in’ word is?

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            Just to clarify a little bit, it’s not that I am opposed to laymen using those words like “semantics” or “paradigm” – what annoys me is if people use it without understanding what they mean; and I get really angry if someone starts using them to demonstrate their alleged intellectual superiority, w h i l e not understading them. This chimes with what I said recently that too many people entered higher education, and the result is
            a) lowering of standars
            b) radically diminished value of some grad certs, and above all
            c) people who are not intelligent or creative enough to graduate, yet graduating and because they cannot process what they were supposed to learn, they just memorise it and repeat like parrots to impress others. This is ok when they do it within their own disciplines – as then they can be quickly found frauds; sadly, we have this phenomena – that probably originated in the tsarist Russia’s intelligentsia layer: people like Tolstoy for example, whose short stories I love, but who became unbearable when he started to philosophise; or Gorky; or Brecht – totalitarian Prussian state was another layer of state intelligentsia foundations).

            The problem is when, say, writers talk about fiscal stimulus, economists talk about model theory, sociologists talk about economy (UCD department had an enture course on “late capitalism”, 1/4 of which was about Lenin – who in turn had a clue neither of economy nor of philosophy – on the latter, it’s enough to read about his theory of truth, as if written by a 12 year old; but Lenin was a specialist in destabilising the state, and I think that his ??? ??????? “What needs to be done” is one of the most important texts of the 20th century for 5th columns all over the world).

            And everyone, but absolutely everyone talks about logic (it’s only half bad if they do it in a colloquial way – worse if they try to come up with some logical proofs, as Prof. Dawkins does) – even though there is perhaps only 20 people in Ireland at most who have any clue about it (I know because I asked at philosophy and mathematics departments – and not only among the grads, but some lecturers too), and I’m one of them.

            As to semantics, almost all people who use this word, mean by semantics “a meaning of the word”. But
            a) this is not all what “semantics” means and
            b) if one wants to say “the meaning of the word”, then why just not say “”the meaning of the word”???!

            As to Prof. Chomsky that you asked me about, he has caught up a bit recently with his knowledge of political philosophy, but here is something important I’d like to tell you: if one starts dabbling with political philosophy, but one does not have a systematic education in that, the problem is that your CONFIRMATION BIAS will kick in: you will only look for those political philosophers/economists that c o n f i r m the views that you already hold.

            When Prof. Chomsky was dealing with semantics only (which was 1950s/early 1960s), he was aware of all contadictory developments in semantics.
            But when he felt compelled to take floor in politics, his delivery became – albeit persuasive – very monothematic and one sided, as in this debate with a man even less versed in political philosophy than him, YET who was able to take Prof. Chomsky out of synch and, at times, cut him to ribbons (I think this was the best TV debate of all times, and it shows how the TV debate standards have lowered since then):


            In other words, you will never GET TO HEAR the arguments for opposing views, and when you come across them, you are unable to refute them: while if you studied it professionally, you had to hear them – well, at least if your college is properly run.

            This is the reason why I studied so deeply writers with worldviews totally opposed to mine: like Keynes, Rousseau, Hitler, Nietzsche (though I sympathise with Nietzschean version of elitism), Heidegger, Rawls, etc, etc.

            You asked me about the latest buzzwords.
            I’m soooo happy that they didn’t filter through the journalistic/sociology/literature departments/President Higgins’ constant yapping; and are used only by professionals instead.

            These are – just to name the few:
            From philosophy of mind: qualia,
            From logic and metamathematics: supervaluation, incompleteness, constructible universe, determinacy, forcing (sadly the word “model”, part of semantics invented by a Pole Alfred Tarski, filtered trough the common vernacular and it is used blissfully imprecisely)
            From philosophy of politics: the original position
            From economics: hysteresis
            From epistemology: redundancy, presentialism.

            I hope these words will never become fashionable

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            “In other words, you will never GET TO HEAR the arguments for opposing views, and when you come across them, you are unable to refute them” – to further illustrate what I mean: when you listen to people who actually have a clue about – say in philosophy of politics – they are able to present you at least a few different views (and if they only present their own, they are able to argue it), so their lectures would have a structure, i.e.: on liberty and equality, there are such as such views.
            The consequences of such and such view are such and such. The strenghts are these (it solves these and those problems/answers questions), and weaknesses are these (it prompts these questions, and doesn’t asnwer/solve these).
            But when you hear people like most of Prof. Chomsky philosophising on politics, or President Higgins, their views take a completely different, primitive form, like: equality is… therefore we must do this… and everyone who thinks otherwise is…

            Prof. Dawkins is a prime example of that (his ignorance of logic and philosophy is encyclopaedic, and matches his arrogance). In fact, when I listern and relistened this wonderful Stein interview, Dawkins’ description of the God of the Old Testament nearly perfectly fits into the description of Prof. Dawkins.
            P.S. Remember that famous speech Prof. Dawkins gave in Mexico, when he spent the entire 45 minutes laughing at and insulting the Lady of Guadalupe and all who believe in her? Imagine that someone went to Israel and spent 45 minutes of his public lecture on Holocaust jokes – yet Prof. Dawkins is considered “liberal”, and that latter person would certainly not be considered liberal (if you could practice liberalism in prison, that is).

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            I thought I share one more information with you. As you know, I’m an anti-psychologist in logic (as in “epistemic anti-psychologism”, not “anti-psychology”; there was a very old debate going back to Frege, resolved towars anti-psycholigsm in logic, which resolution some less informed philosophy lecturers attribute to Husserl, while in fact it was resolved earlier and in a more precise way by Twardowski).

            This should on no account
            be c o n f u s e d with a different statement that I’m against psychology as such (except for Freudism, which is just a bad philosophy – why would anyone read Freud anyway, if you have Schopenhauer that Freud ripped off???!); neither I am against cognitive sciences, though all of them they come across insurmountable logical objections.

            BUT BUT BUT

            I always meant to tell you that there is a field that has developed recently that can be interesting for both philosophers, including of anti-psychologist persuasion,
            for psychologists – and furthermore, though psychologico-semantic in nature, it does NOT contravene my anti-psychologism in logic: because it doesn’t research what inferences are
            c o r r e c t from a logical point of view, but rather it recreates
            m e n t a l models (in semantic terms) of how people think and reason (so basically, it is a sort of psychologised version of the pragmatic logic, which I also studied, along with semantics – I didn’t study mental models as this is more psychology than logic; admittedly I had one semester of psychology, but found it too fuzzy overall – even the cognitive approach – so much so that it has discouraged me against cognitive sciences; though I think that psychology would be an immensely powerful tool when combined with cybernetics and pragmatic logic – maybe the 21st century will see the combination of those 3?(psychocybernetics already exist)).


            So, after this long intro, this is something that – provided you don’t know it already – would, in my opinion, be of real interest to you:


            P.S. My God, when you look at Freudism contrasted with this, it shows you how primitive it is – doesn’t it?

          • coldblow

            Had to break off there. My point (which is open to argument of course) is that you can’t memorize properly without understanding as you will always be fouond out. (Years ago, here, I suggested the introduction by the police of random general knowledge tests for the public: “Just a few quick questions, sir.”)

            I agree with you about logic, a word I try to avoid. I try to avoid all long or fancy words if possible, eg dichotomy, hegemony and the like. So we are in agreement. I was trying to sketch out a rough history of these words and terms (neologisms I suppose) and only managed two of them. Others would be barrel bombs and selfies (I groaned when it was announced that this had been the most popular neologism of whatever year it was because everyone started using it.)

            In my first year at university I spent two long days arguing with two friends, a psychologist and a European studies student, that the words status and prestige mean the same thing. What I was getting at is that language was used so loosely in academic life in those days (especially in the social sciences, the reading of a few books of which had numbed my brain in the university library) that it was becoming meaningless.

            Peter Hitchens wrote years later about Orwell’s celebrated Politics and the English Language, which makes the same broad point, I think:


            It contains the famous line: “The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies ‘something not desirable’.”

            I had already refined my earlier ideas about this and had by then put it down to what I call ‘extravert rhetoric’, which is closely related ‘extravert cliche’.

            When I say I look at everything through a psychological prism I don’t mean I read books about psychology or anything like that because I am convinced they dodn’t really know what they are talking about.

            The bit in your Dawkins clip was where he contrasts the thoughts of a ‘naïve person’ and a ‘sophisticated physicist’.

        • coldblow


          Just to deal with your first post there first.

          I quite agree with you about the debasement of education. I probably do not, however, about memorizing, or rather not entirely. For example, they have greatly increased the oral marks for Junior Cert Gaelic (or ‘Irish’ as they insist on calling it) yet I was amazed that my son had learned off, parrot-fashion, some nonsense for the oral (or is it aural?) exam, including that he scored the winning goal in the school team’s cup final win and that I am a doctor. (He had fluent Gaelic when he left the Gaelscoil and it has gone down a lot since in the mixed ability classes, as expected.)

          However progressives such as David (who has written about it) want to cut down on memorizing in exams and replace it with course work, which is allegedly ‘fairer’, ‘more relevant’ and not relying on memory. The beautiful Julia Shaw (I admire her looks without fancying her because she is an introvert) pointis out in her recent book about memory that expertise is the ability to memorize sequences of information. This is certainly true of history, always my main academic interest.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            I love the charming story about your son and scoring the winning goal.
            I’m not against memorising techniques as such – I think that one of the fundamental differences in central and eastern European primary school curriculum and that in the Anglosphere was that since very little, we had to do a lot of memorising. Of course, we revolted against it all the time and nothing from the school curriculum seemed to be more unfair to us: but in hindsight, I see huge benefits of it.

            However, memorising should be off-set by abstract thinking exercises. What I’m against is when students are taught to memorise/parrot what the textbook/lecturer says, without being able to critically analise it.

            Now, of course, memorising is largely gone from western schools (you don’t actually have to produce anything at most exams – merely mark the write answer), but parroting is the more present.
            So what they’ve done was:
            1. Initially, you had lots of memorising in most European countries (before eastern Europe was “behind” in educational damage, I for example had to learn Latin 150-200 words e v e r y forthnight, plus grammar – and every fortnight we had an exam from what we learned; this was only one of perhaps 14 other subjects); same in England and in the US. Memorising was combined with high level of maths (in pre-WWII – but of course n o t post-WWII – Poland, this was also combined with basic counter-intelligence techniques – even girls in Catholic schools had that). Logic (albeit traditional) was compulsory in all good schools pre WWI.
            2. Then the memorising was eliminated, in the US in Dewey’s reform of how the kids should learn to read and write. Logic was taken off the schools completely (in Poland, in 1950s).
            3. Then, inevitably, the level of maths collapsed to.

            All that’s left now is parroting.
            Because graduates in general think much less independently and less critically now than a 100 years ago (btw – also, contraty to what everyone thinks, literacy and IQ levels have been systematically declining since 19th century), and they cannot prove their education by an ability to criticise something based on logical breakdown or general knowledge, all they do to show off their high education is to use words they hope the hoi polloi won’t understand, and pardon fashionable phrases they hear on TV.
            Like “Fiscal space” – you know what that means, I know what that means, and of coure, DMW knows what that means (better than us). But I think that most people (that even includes some TDs) don’t know what that means, and this is one of the simplest buzzwords.
            If they don’t know that…
            Can you imagine that they know what the word “model”, “semantics” or “paradigm” mean?
            Every smart ass in D4 parrots these words.
            So this, I hope, explain how we got the wires crossed with parroting: not memorising is bad, but memorising
            i n s t e a d of critical thinkinjg and logical reasoning (which are, btw, completely – and I mean completely – different things: as thinking relates to thoughts, and logic relates to propositions and inferences).

            P.S. I really don’t want to burden you with more links, but I think that in order to properly understand where I’m coming from, you s h o u l d watch this short, 2-min video on what the anti-psychologism in logic means.

            Of course, the video is oversimplifying and I would do a much better one (i.e., I’m delighted they mention Bolzano – now belatedly popularised in the Anglosphere thanks to two people who I had to opportunity to have met and had discussions with: Prof. Jan Wolenski and Prof. Barry Smith;
            They don’t mention Kazimierz Twardowski (much more precise AND earlier critique of psychologism than Husserl’s), and they are not 100% sure of Frege – Frege was indeed anti-psychologist, but there was a flow in his philosophy of logic that didn’t allow him to criticise psychologism as well as the Lvov-Warsaw School did; eventually, Frege sort of let through the back door the psycholigism he tried to throw out of the windons (in “Thought”).

            Btw – this is the simplest article on Frege’s anti-psychologism I’ve found:


            P.S. I attended a seminar where we (that is a bunch of grads and PhD students of mathematics and philosophy) were discussing – for a year, every week – Frege’s 1904 article “Was ist eine Funktion?”. After a year, some of us memorised parts of this article without attempts of doing so ;-) Imagine the looks someone would then give you – Ziggy Stardust walking down the street is nothing compared to that – if you had a discussion on functions or Frege with someone, and you would then quote him or her – in German –

            “ah, but this is where you are completely wrong on Frege: the second-level course-of-values function sign cannot be defined because – OF COURSE – it is one the primitive signs in Frege’s logical language – sure he said that not only in the second volume of “Basic Laws”, but also in the numerous papers such is “What is a Function?” – although, you could, OF COURSE, argue that in his response to Bertrand Russell on Septemeber 23nd, 1902, he did introduce new conceptions of the notions of courses-of-values and extenstions. and that he did consider regarding what he at that stage called “class-names” as uneigentlichen naming Gegenstände (improper objects), if you know what I mean – which names he came to consider regarding as Scheineigennamen – so they would thus in fact have no denotation.

            However, what you don’t consider is that this strategy would simply do away with extensions of concepts in the received sense of the term”. LOL

            Oh, Coldblow, I miss those Kraków cafe sparring matches. I once signed up to a Heidegger conference in Dublin, where there was a small seminar – and although neither Heidegger was one of my top 30 favourite philosopher, nor did I especially prepared for that seminar, they had to deprive me of voice eventually, even though after my 3rd question, I waited if someone else had something to say – but noone did (“maybe we should give a chance to other participants?” – and I saw one Heidegger scholar taking notes of what I was saying ;-) – like I said, I’m not even interested in Heidegger, because I totally dominated the entire discussion.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            pardon fashionable phrases – parrot fashionable phrases.

            Of course, the number one fashionable phrase is the post-modern “narrative”.

            I have to admit – I myself use it (the reason is simple – people often don’t realise how fast I type when I comment here – to save time – and often nothing else comes to my mind that can replace the word “narrative”; it is stronger than me; even though the famous (in Poland) very, very, very conservative (paradoxically – atheist, though pro-religion) philosopher and logician Prof. Wolniewicz (specialist in Wittgenstein) was famous in the 90s for throwing his students from his exams if he caught them using that word (“Sir, I don’t understand what you mean: you are using some post-modern gobbledygook – I cannot examine you from logic” – he failed many students that way).

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            Stupid me: eventually, I forgot to attach the 2min video you should watch:


            The machine pronounces Frege as “Fridge”. I’m sure some American students would think that this is correct. I even met a guy who thought – having heard that three times – that my name should be pronounced Tricot, and then he asked me – in front of 20 othewr people – with a viscious smile –
            - “and what is your r e a l name, Tricot?”.
            - “you can call me “him”, Sir” – says I.
            - “Cheim? – says he.
            - “No Sir, Hymn 45:17 – “I will make thy name to be remembered in all generations”.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            “where the quality of people’s reasoning is not so much the problem but that in certain circumstances (which appear to be occurring with increasing frequency) logic and reason are suspended.”

            I think that the area that would be more of your interest is sociology of science, rather than philosophy of science. It’s a nice enough area to research, it just didn’t interest me so much… (for two reasons:
            a) it’s too soft (I mean: I only have a limited time to live: so why waste it on how the social environment motivates scientists :-(, rather than spend it on answering the more valid – for me – question: why certain scientific theories are true, and when – and what are the rules of inference?) and
            b) almost entire sociology is suspicious to me – but even more in Ireland: to meet sociologist so left as most of the UCD sociology department, you have to go in Poland as far back as 1950s…


            The only thing that I can recommend you that would meet the criteria of your current interest (apart from Kuhn’s book, that you know) is this:


            T H I S is even better than Kuhn – but: I warn you – it is a serious book.


            It chimes with your interest, such as expressed by you in saying that:

            “make great play of the claim that they have ‘science’ (and therefore ‘logic’) on their side and yet they conspicuously fail to show reason themselves. And what is more important, they don’t seem *aware* they do this. ”

            It will convince you that sometimes it is even worse than you think: that is, often when there is a paradigm shift, it’s not even that they
            “don’t seem *aware* they do this”

            They are actually unware they do this, with no stars and inverted commas!

        • coldblow

          Just thought of a couple more: event horizon, black swan, cognitive dissonance, xenophobe, survivor (or alleged historic ‘abuse’), abuse (!), icon, iconic, no-no, no-brainer, double whammy, seminal (as in a piece of work).

          • You’ve really captured the zeitgeist with that list of words coldblow.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            “Take it to the next level.”
            “Good to go”
            “Synergy.” – I used to answer that one by saying that “this word is beyond my behavioral cusp and by using it, you contribute to redundancy in the sources.”

            But in Ireland (especially D4), the most, like, overused word is “like”.
            Though one langer argued with me that this word is not D4, but Cork, and that they even had a billboad saying something like (I cannot remember exactly): “Welcome home, like”.

            In Poland, the latest buzzwords are “Pani Makrela” (“Ms Mackerel” – about Chancellor Merkel) and “Pan Makaron” – Mr Macaroni – about President Macron.

            In all politics, the most used word in Poland is “Miedzymorze” – “Intermarium” – but that’s actually a meaningful concept deeply grounded in history, not a buzzword.

          • coldblow

            How could I have forgotten synergy? There is a section in our annual report every year about it and it is cobblers.

            I think I have an idea of what you mean by psychology. As I said already I don’t like the subject psychology and if I only had one book to read on a desert island and it was about psychology I’d use it to wipe my backside. Same with cognitive sciences. (Same again if RTE were the only station oni the radio.)

            I actually printed off an article about Dov Gabbay who I understand defends epistemological phil anti-psy. just to get a rough idea about what might motivate him. I’m not promising I will get past the first page.

            One of the things to notice about the use of fashionable words and phrases is that merely by being fashionable they lend weight to someone’s argument. More importantly, if they are very new and very fashionable there is a good chance your opponent will not know what they mean and you will win the argument. (He can look it up and come back to you but you will have already moved on by then.) I think this was the case with ‘barrel bombs’ in that Assad used thes “against his own people” (there’s another one, by the way) and therefore air strikes are justified (you have got to go away and find out what barrel bombs are).

            Bad as it is everywhere in the world do you find that it is impossible to read or hear anything intelligent in Ireland? Seriously. I have a theory that Crotty, Fennell, Waters and possibly Joe Lee the historian cornered all the insights and left the rest to fight over crumbs.

            One way of looking at it is that Ireland is provincial and takes all of its ideas second-hand from London (or rather third-hand from America via London). This is what Fennell argued.

            Talking of which, here is his excellent essay On Thinking In Ireland from his website:


          • terryhewett

            As an engineer engaged in medical devices and smart prosthetics “synergy” has a very specific meaning:

            Most muscles operate in opposing pairs and are said to be “antagonistic” But sometimes two muscles operate together and are said to be “synergistic”

            Management theorists have taken this word, like so many others, to give themselves a spurious scientific legitimacy.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            “Management theorists have taken this word, like so many others, to give themselves a spurious scientific legitimacy.” – yes, this is exactly my (I suppose, Coldblow’s) point.

            Certain words have a very specific meaning, but then they are taken over by hoi polloi and polluted, and used to show someone’s intellectual superiority – when there isn’t any.

            I’m not a l w a y s that I am against this process of common vernacular assimilating scientific words and lending it a different meaning; it’s when it’s not only taken out of context, but also when it used with no responsibility, like the said “synergy”.

            For example, the economists l o v e to use models and “model” thinks (sometimes they get Nobel Prizes for that, and when everything crashes, they are nowhere to be found – except for Paul Krugman, who is so arrogant, that even though he gets nearly every prediction wrong, he and “his” media pretend it never happened – btw, Mr Stiglitz estimated the chance of Freddie Mac and Fannie May to go bust at 1:500,000) – but did anyone of them knows that model theory in higher-order logics or infinitary logics (so that would apply to any macroeconomic theory) is hampered by the fact that completeness and compactness do not in general hold for these logics? I’m yet to meet one who is aware of that, and I spoke to some of world’s best.


            I.e., which one of you knows that the word “value” didn’t come from ethics or religion into economy, but the other way round? (“value” was intially a strictly economic term, but the German philosopher Lotze took it into his philosophy and started using it in the ethical context – and when Nietzsche became massively popular among artists and intelligentsia all over Europe, and England too – the word “value” became used by everyone: so for instance, talking about “Christian values” comes from Nietzsche really, as traditional Christian philosophy was – until mid 20th century – governed by the scholastic principle “verum, unum et bonum convertuntur” (btw, the phrase “Christian values” really took off in Catholic Church during the pontificate of Karol Wojtyla, who was – did you know that? – a lecturer in philosophy and a specialist in Max Scheler, which Scheler “christianised” Nietzsche – his idea of hierarchy of values is, btw, very interesting).
            While I’m on Wojtyla (I say Wojtyla, because I talk about his life before he became a Pope), also some of you might not be aware that before WWII, Wojtyla was training as an actor, and he embraced the… Stanislavsky method (yes!). In a play about Barbara Radziwill, for example, he played an… Amor shooting love arrows.
            I know a lot of that stuff because I lived in a flat that he lived during WWII (when he was forced by the Germans to do slave work in Solway stone quarry – some might not know that a Polish person caught by Germans walking on street and not working in the place they ordered him/her too would be usually sent to Auschwitz concentration camp – you had to have a document with you proving that you are employed by some German employer).

            2. Coldblow,
            to cut the long story short;
            I agree with, I think, everyone you said: I’d only want to add my observation that usually those philosophies who believe in psycholigism IN LOGIC (I mean the time about the psychologism in logic) are nearly always relativistic.
            Actually, in ancient Greece or in scholastics, noone would have even thought that inferences can be – in any shape or form – psychology dependent.

            It was only when the knowledge of logic started to decline in Renaissance that people would think such a crazy thing, and it was not until late 19th century (with one exception of Leibniz) when mankind started to rediscover the scholastic achievements.

            It’s funny that the leading atheist authority at the time, Bertrand Russell, owed so much to scholastics but was unware of that – and it wasn’t until Jan Lukasiewicz showed him that that he became aware how many things in Principia Mathematica had been discovered in Middle Ages (although strictly speaking, Russell was a pantheist when he was good at logic).

            Apart from Principia Mathematica (and very good History of Western Philosophy), Russell wrote one article: “On Denoting” – probably the most important logical text of the 20th century.

            The rest of his writings was weak.

            You see, what happened was that having written (with Whitehead, who was a theist in turn) Principia, something happened to Russell’s brain and he burned out so much that he sort of became… childish.

            It’s terrifying, and maybe you’d be able to explain that, or give other historic examples – from one of the world’s finest minds, within like 2 years, Russell’s mind – under enormous mental strain – became so letharic – that when he met the young Wittgenstein, Wittgenstein had to explain to Russell the things that Russell himself had just written!

            So maybe that explains Russell’s later antics with pacifism and communism.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            philosophies who believe in psycholigism IN LOGIC (I mean the time about the psychologism in logic) = philosophies who believe in psychologism IN LOGIC (all the time, I mean the psychologism in logic)

          • coldblow


            I agree with what you write about education. I would have hated memorization though. I have a mobile phone of my own for emergencies. It is almost an antique and switched off unless I want to tell the time and I don’t know its number. My car is sixteen years old and I cannot remember its reg. no. I was reading an interesting article about (or rather by) Dov Gabbay “I am a logic” and he says he would be happy cleaning the toilet or menial jobs because he wants to keep his whole attention free for logic. As I said (or meant to say) I avoid using the word and prefer ‘reason’.

            I agree that educational standards seem to have been falling steadily. In his otherwise excellelent The Science Delusion Sheldrake says otherwise, that it is rising. I suppose he sees this as the result of morphic resonance or something like that.

            Stiglitz. He wrote the introduction to the edition of Polanyi’s Great Transformation. He did not seem to be too impressed by this terrific book. I wonder if he understood it. (There was a review on Amazon which thought his introduction was the best part of the book.)

            I actually used the word ‘narrative’ yesterday to my shame.

            Back to Gabbay. He makes some interesting points about the way people reaon (including an amusing anecdote about recommending that his students eat dog food). The thing about logic is that I am coming to this from a completely different direction, where the quality of people’s reasoning is not so much the problem but that in certain circumstances (which appear to be occurring with increasing frequency) logic and reason are suspended. For example, the scientists caught up in the global warming delusion, and their defenders, make great play of the claim that they have ‘science’ (and therefore ‘logic’) on their side and yet they conspicuously fail to show reason themselves. And what is more important, they don’t seem *aware* they do this. This is what I mean when I say my interest is in psychology.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            “where the quality of people’s reasoning is not so much the problem but that in certain circumstances (which appear to be occurring with increasing frequency) logic and reason are suspended. For example, the scientists caught up in the global warming delusion”

            But why are they succeeding so easily? You cannot just blame on mainstream media, because if you look at eastern Europe, they had an even more concetrated/monopolised media propaganda, and yet the vast majority of people there didn’t believe their media (this reminds me of the swine flu vaccine reception in Ireland: even seemingly intelligent people accepted the government narrative (sorry ;-) and got their children vaccinated, without doing their own research before taking such serious a decision – while in Poland they couldn’t implement it, because the social resistance was too strong – same with ACTA: in Poland, people went to streets to protest againsts it, which triggered all-Europe protests – in Ireland, most (not all) people accept all such things with some bovine fatalism, and nowhere is that more visible than with the Dublin Bus – that’s why I write so often about (the same people who swear and use F word about DB cheating on having, at times, only 1/3 of available buses in operation – the minute they get onboard, they pretend nothing happened – men chat bus driver in exaggerately loud, jovial, buddy-buddy voices, and women flirt with a driver who had just let you wait for one hour – and the next day their complain-chat circle repeats itself.

            I strained from the main point. My point was that why is this so easily done? This is the question one should ask oneself, not stating the obvious (oh, its the MSM).
            The MSM have it so easy b e c a u s e
            the purely visual culture replaced the old book culture, particularly from MTV.

            In 19th century, people were reading a lot more and a lot more serious stuff.

            When you are used to that – as I am – then you develop an ability to think abstractly, and are able to
            a) conduct valid reasoning and
            b) spot the inconsistencies in someone else’s reasoning.

            When people had to learn serious maths, Latin, Greek, etc (as you know bilingual children have a higher IQ, and I don’t mean having 4 hours French a week, but actually having, say, a French or German nanny – as upper middle classes in Poland would have had before WWII – who speaks o n l y French or German or English to your child) and – above all – logic – for their A-levels, plus there was no TV, and even if your speciality was only biology or literature, you had to know roughly everything interesting that is going on – roughly – then it was MORE difficult (almost impossible) to manipulate the middle class, or even lower classes.

            Because when you READ, you can STOP (if you do it properly) and think: is this CONSISTENT with the previous chapter? Because he says this, and there he said that.


            But when you have two IMAGES beside each other, they are consistent or inconsistent. They are based on ASSOCIATIONS.



            And logic is based not on THOUGHTS AND ASSOCIATIONS, but on STATEMENTS.


            Therefore to undo the damage that has been done in the TV era, one has to start from the basis: undo PSYCHOLOGISM IN LOGIC (in logic, third time I stress).
            Hence to understand anti-psychologism in logic is so important (that is that the validity of your reasoning does NOT depend on what someone or you THINK, but on correct inferences- and this CAN be trained).

            All these streams, like postmodernism, etc – they assume psychologism in logic.

            See, what people like Bolzano, Frege or Twardowski had done was to return to what the Greek and scholastic thought was doing, but on higher level.

            TV damaged that achievement.

            Psychologism in logic =
            r e l a t i v i s m.

            “In his otherwise excellelent The Science Delusion Sheldrake says otherwise, that it is rising.” – yea, but he bases that on the Flynn effect, which distorts the IQ tests over generations.
            The r e al measurement of your IQ is the reaction time, and we have very objective measurements of that for the last 200 years (I wrote about it both here and in the Irish Independent on the day Mr Trump won, criticising the falling level of US presidential debates: so I don’t have time to repeat myself again; anyone who cares can research that him or herself, by searching for IQ and reaction time – see for instance Gerard Crabtree, Our Fragile Intellect).

          • coldblow


            I agree with you completely about the decline in reading and its effect on people’s thinking. Nobody in my hose has watched a film for three or four years. It is something that Hichens (who does watch films) keeps going back to.

            I had a dislike of tv since I was about eleven years old, and I think it was probably better then. There used to be a local news programme on BBC1 called Nationwide and they all acquired this irritating habit of randomly STRESSing WORDS so that obviously they weren’t paying a blind bit of notice to the meaning of what they were saying.

            Reading is what I have been doing all my life and what I was born to do. I went to a selective grammar school and always got first place. In my O-level year I got most of the prizes going (6) including one for chemistry (mysteriously: I don’t really remember getting it, but I saw the school booklet in my loft last year). I got English, Latin and History but I was surprised they didn’t give me Physics. (Nowadays I don’t think it would be allowed to award prizes fairly, for ideological reasons.)

            It is funny the things you remember. At primary school my teacher (who had driven a tank through France and Belgium in 1940, too cheering crowds, and then came back the same way a few months later at full tilt, heading for Dunkirk) asked me if my religious poem had been copied out of a book. I didn’t know how to end it and had written for the last line, “and kissed the holy ground”. This troubled him theologically so I agreed to change it to “knelt on”.

            I looked up the Flynn Effect on Wiki, which was good for a laugh as always, for possible explanations. One of them is better nutrition. I then looked up my copy of Sheldrake’s book and he devotes two pages to rising IQs and the Flynn Effect (I had forgotten the details but retained the principle). Flynn himself (according to Sheldrake) attributed it vaguely to the effects of the Industrial Revolution. Sheldrake (as I said) accounts for it by morphic resonance (inherited, non-physical (as it were) habits), much in the way that lab rats on one side of the world take up from where others left off, or the strange, almost simultaneious appearance, of tits’ (birds that is) new habit (in the 70s) of pecking through the silver paper tops of milk bottles on doorsteps. Or the appearance of new forms of certain crystals in different parts of the world and the inability to be able to recreate the old forms.

            I will have to look up the connection between IQ and reaction times. The students on University Questions (the only tv quiz I like) have very fast reactions and an impressive retention of general knowledge. (Yet Hitchens is not impressed by them.)

            Be all that as it may, this is not the point I was making at all, at all.

            I was referring to the inability (as well as refusal) of intelligent, literary, educated people to exercise reason. My theory is that this is caused by their involvement in our collective fantasy. I have been looking in a variety of fields and collecting evidence for it, including ‘conventional’ abuse witch hunts, politics (eg reactions to Brexit and Trump), medicine and science (AGW, Wakefield, Sheldrake) and history (Spanish Civil War, causes of WW1). I have concluded that ‘fake news’ is endemic.

            The abuse witch hunts are the most valuable evidence because the gap between fact and fantasy is at its wildest.

            The late Richard Webster, as I never tire of saying, is the place to start (and possibly finish) for these. This short article summarizes some of the main points:


            I won’t presume to require you to read the whole article (fascinating though it is) but if you can, throw an eye over the short section ‘Crossing the Line’.

            I don’t think this phenomenon is restricted to the special, hysterical conditions that prevail in witch hunts. It occurs across the board, though at a(slightly) less obvious level. It is the reason for fake news.

            This account of a short Twitter exchange between Peter Hitchens and the respected and experienced (and no doubt *literate*) BBC Newsnight journalist and specialist on military affairs, Mark Urban is a handy example of what I mean. (I linked to it before but I doubt if anyone looked.)


            If you are interested in the point I am making, and have been trying to make for quite a long time here, you can throw an eye at this. (She does use the word ‘narrative’, I grant.)

          • coldblow

            I forgot to add that in his best-seller Amusing Ourselves To Death, Neil Postman focuses on the decline of literacy, not in the sense of being able to read, but in the sense you use, where, beginning with the telegraph, television supplanted a literary culture. It was common for ordinary Americans in the late 19th C to listen to political debates stretching out over hours and to absorb and understand what was said.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej


            “I was referring to the inability (as well as refusal) of intelligent, literary, educated people to exercise reason. My theory is that this is caused by their involvement in our collective fantasy. I have been looking in a variety of fields”

            In spite of appearances, we are talking about the same thing – only from a different angle: your angle appears to be that this comes mainly from some ulterior motives, emotional imbalance and irrationality; my angle is that the lack of logic at school and saturation by the visual culture causes all those aforesaid things…

            Look, Aristotle said that each political system (he differentiated between 6: again, this is more subtle than current Anglo-Saxon social science, where you have a democracy and everything else) shapes a citizen according to its own characteristics; and therefore each time when you have a transition to a new system, certain people with certain characteristics will be superfluous, and therefore outside the system.

            The current system, which is democracy (in Ireland, with some elements of oligarchy) shapes citizens who are irrational and imbalanced emotionally, because only they can be u s e d by populist politicians within a 4 year election cycle.

            People who are outside such system (apart from some niche structures which are not democratic, like top universities or the army) are people who are the opposite of that; and the guests mostly invited to TV fully exemplify that (btw – I propose that because the Irish TV and radio are, with very few exceptions, addressed to people with an IQ of 100 and lower, every person with an IQ above 120 should be, by law, exempted from paying TV license, as charging that person would be as unfair like charging me, every year, for a compulsory English language lessons, starting with a sentence “Mary had a little lamb” – my facetious proposal is of course still worse than the i d e a l scenario:
            the public TV having to compete on free market and earning money not by force, but by voluntarily fees – if that was possible in Poland, with a TV that is, like, on 100 times higher level than RTE, than why not here? In almost every European population the percentage of intelligent people is roughly similar – it’s just not everywhere they have their own platform).


            The article by Richard Webster looks short enough and nice enough to read in its entirety, and I saved it, and I will read it.


            As to Peter Hitchens and Danielle Ryan, they are not free themselves from behaving like Mark Urban does (btw, I read a book that Mark Urban wrote, which is very critical of the state of the British Army). For example, Peter Hitchens once stated that eastern European countries would collapse economically if it wasn’t for the EU subsidies. I challenged Mr Hitchens to a 1,000 pounds bet that he has no clue about that, and asked him about the source of his assertion. He couldn’t give any, apart from being convinced that he is right.

            After I substantiated my point further, he simply said that I am “a genius of propaganda”, and worthy of a top job in the propaganda ministry. After that, either him or The Daily Mail (or both) started to censor me.


            This thing you mention about the Americans in the 19th century being able to comprehend and assimilate the arguments of hour long debates is something which is my very acute experience. One of the reasons I am discouraged to academia is that – due to the lack of logic in school curriculum – most academics are unable to ask proper questions about what have been just said (and I’ve noticed that – I’m sure you must have noticed that too – that seemingly distinguised quests are often unable to remember more than one question; what a contrast to Duns Scotus PhD defense, when the Tomists – who constituted the majority of people asking questions, asked him 247 questions, and he answered them… from memory, in the order they had been asked! (as you perhaps know, in Middle Ages, when you were defending your PhD, it wasn’t a closed review process like today, but it was public, anyone from the university can ask you a question about your dissertation).

            Another thing that comes to my mind related to the 19th century US is that according to statistics, giveb by John Gatto, about literacy levels, not only they had been declining (as THESE are very accurate levels, because they are based not on school tests, but army tests) – but they had been the highest when there was no public education. He quotes a census in Connecticut in 1830s, when out of nearly 800 people who took part, only one couldn’t read or write (to compare it, the percentage of functional analphabets among army recruits in the US was a few percent before WWII, something like 10-15% around Korea war, double that around Vietnam war, and I think the majority now.

            These people – in 19th century, an average black slave in the South, let alone a coalminer in Manchester was better educated – SOMEHOW managed to pass A-levels exam:


            (and when Alfred Tarski emigrated to California and showed a book on logic he wrote for Polish secondary schools before WWII – the Californian professors said this would be too difficult for 1st year mathematics university students in California; today the book would be too difficult for most math grads in California; it’s interesting that social realism in Poland only took roots when they abolished the old pre-WWII school curriculum, with logic, Roman law, etc – and this was only in 1949).

            All in all, like I said, lowered levels of education are – apart from people not reading, not having logic at schools (Bob Sadlier is an example of that: “correlation is not causation” – the poor chap thinks that this is a statement of LOGIC, and he is one of Ireland’s “finest” minds) and philosophy, learning foreign languages the wrong way and watching dancing cats and dogs on YouTube and things like TV3 breakfast TV, which I am stronly convinced is the most stupid in the world – yet I lived with 2 teacher lassies who watched it every day – so apart from that, one of the main reasons is that there are too many people in college.

            In Poland, in mid 90s they tripled the amound of students, and the level of universities collapsed to the English level (even though one of UKiP anchors, when he spoke to students of economics in Poland, said after that he would never employ a graduate of economics from the University of Edinburgh if he had a choice to employ some economy graduate from Warsaw or Kraków university instead).

        • coldblow

          Entropy, judgemental, societal, emotive, emote (although I might use this, and other words on my list, to annoy those I argue with and because I can’t always live up to my high standards!, 21st century, national conversation, emotional intelligence (as applied to the Irish).

          • terryhewett

            The dire predictions of the famous Victorian book “Alice in Underland” are now coming to pass. For those who are not familiar with the work, here is a brief précis.

            Alice’s Adventures in Underland is a cautionary Realist novel written by the English author and mathematician Ludwig C Dodge under the pseudonym Carol Lewis. It is generally considered to be the pinnacle of the literary Purification Movement which typically offsets virtuous working-class Victorian society against their dim-witted, upper middle class counterparts through a series of unsavoury and unhygienic encounters and in the process exposing their ungodly ways.

            Lewis’ tale, which has set the blueprint for the genre; tells the timeless tale of a young girl named Alice who by a horrific accident of fate wakes up in an abandoned wine-bar in Islington; a macabre world populated by grotesque, anthropomorphic creatures of ambivalent sexuality. The remainder of the novel recounts the heroine’s courageous attempts to escape this metrosexual hell-hole without being talked to, touched, or breathed upon by any of its hideous inhabitants.

            Alice was written in 1879, the year metrosexual men were granted the same civil rights as the other great apes. Outraged by this development, Lewis resolved to write a work of fiction to show the creatures as they really were and began a tour of what he called “Britannia Inferior” in order to carry out research for this lofty task.

            Part of the author’s travels included sailing up the river Thames to Westminster in a boat accompanied by three young girls whom he described as “friends of the family” The locals took a liking to the girls, especially little Alice;

            As Lewis recalls:

            Alice being the silly and carefree child she is, thought it would be a good idea to dangerously engage one of these creatures in banter: imagine her shock when one of them yelled back telling her to “keep her hand on her ha’penny” She was shocked and confused and I was naturally appalled. However it was a moment of inspiration and the idea of the novel was born.

            Following this incident the author created the fictitious world of Underland; taking inspiration from his nightmare travels through Hampstead and Clapham Common. He began writing that very night and had already decided to dedicate the book to the real-life Alice who had died of shock on the way home.



            A precocious young girl who tires of her loving working class family life in Clacton and follows a white ferret through a tunnel to another world, only to realise she was better off where she started. Alice finds Underland a nonsensical place and cannot understand its inhabitants’ seemingly made-up language; or their love of guacamole.

            The White Ferret:

            Malodorous and flea-ridden, the Ferret carries a smartphone at all times. Alice was initially under the impression that the ferret could talk but soon remembered that not even the locals are capable of verbal communication never mind the animals. Whatever the case, the White Ferret was apparently late for a very important date. What this “date” was for is never discussed, although Alice hopes that it will involve some kind of treatment for rabies.

            The Mad Harriet:

            Alice stumbles upon The Mad Harriet having a tea party which upsets Alice greatly as it is not officially tea time according to GMT. This matters not however because when the Harriet hands her the supposed “tea” it turns out to be an advertisement for some sort of information exchange. The Harriet is truly mad and imagines her guests to be a dormouse and a March Hare when in fact they are the mangled cadavers of two members from Fathers 4 Justice.

            The Cheshire Man:

            The Cheshire Man is one of the most iconic characters from the novel. He appears before Alice clutching a Rosary and the only visible part of him is his pearly grin. Alice remarks at this point that she’s seen a man without a smile, but never a smile without a man and speculates that he must be very rich indeed to be able to afford such a smile. He replies with an engaging laugh “charity, my dear, begins at home: after all, everything is fair in love and war” They later share the memorable exchange:
            Alice: “I loathe this place. Everything here is so phony”

            Cheshire Man: “Why yes, everyone here is phony”

            Alice: “Well I’m not”

            Cheshire Man: “But of course you are or why else would you be here”

            Critical Reception:

            Although the novel has gained legendary status; in recent years the book has come under some scrutiny for its unsubtle anti-middle class leanings. Several detractors have pointed out that the novel unfairly portrays people from the upper middle class as stupid, lazy, ugly, inbred and destined to be parasites throughout their lives. It is generally accepted today that if any of them could read they would be deeply offended by it.

          • coldblow


            You should send that into RTE Radio 1′s Sunday Miscellany. It would make a change from “My grandmother’s bonnet lay for fourty-three years in the attic of our house until…” or “On Sundays we would all take the number 19 to Enniskerry. For us it was a huge expedition and we eagerly counted down the days until, finally, we could renew acquaintance with the Great Unknown that lay beyond the bottom of Dundrum High Street. Our father (who was inclined to spoil us) would cheerfully distribute threepenny bits and pennies. I can still feel the angular hardness of the coin as I clutched it in my pocket throughout the whole journey for fear it should go missing before I could exchange it Mr Murphy’s sweet shop in the village. Mother (who was very fond of the light classics) would hum to herself airs from Gilbert and Sullivan as we excitedly jostled for seats on the upper deck, she lost in her own private world of memories from pre-war Prague, when gentlemen would duel and hold the carriage door open, my father contentedly puffing on his Sunday pipe and carefully folding the bus ticket before storing it securely in the pocket of his waistcoat…”

          • terryhewett

            I was having a wee bit of fun: but it really is astonishing that in comparison to 100 years ago, what a lack of real talent there is around. Then, simply having talent was not good enough. Oh where is Brian o’Nolan, crushkeen lawn, Brian Ó Nuallain aka Flann O’Brien aka Myles na gCopaleen aka Myles na Gopaleen aka Brother Barnabas aka George Knowall:

            It is all very sad.

      • coldblow

        And while I’m at it here is one of Hitchens’s funniest articles:


        Evolutionist Coyne’s own article, linked in Hitchens’s, is nearly as amusing, albeit unintentionally. He accuses Hitchens of laughing at science (blasphemy) and leading people astray by encouraging them to be sceptical of scientists (heresy).

        They really don’t like mockery.

  21. Truthist

    @ Grzegorz
    Henry Makow has just tweeted ;
    Ireland has a worse immigration problem than Germany, Sweden, the UK or France.

    • Truthist

      Another tweet from Henry Makow ;
      HEADING ;
      Swedish women have sex with ‘refugees’ in the name of giving them comfort

    • Grzegorz Kolodziej

      Despite my own concerns as expressed since the “refugee” crisis started, I think that this article was written by someone who has never been to any of those places in Ireland, and was probably commissioned to alarm people for good or bad reason.
      a) 100 : 1 ?! Is he crazy or what?
      b) “The 2011 census says that out of a population of almost 20,000, 31 per cent are ethnically non-Irish and 12 per cent are black” – the 2011 census said no such thing. It said instead:
      “The proportion of non-Irish nationals WITH a d e g r e e or higher was 30.7 per cent.”
      c) Ivan Bacik is a female, and her name is Ivana Bacik.


      d) “Recently, an Irish naval vessel “rescued” almost 800 “refugees” off the coast of Tripoli ” – yes, stupid – wasn’t it? They could have as well gone to pick up some random people from Columbian prisons.
      Remember those refugees from Cuba to Reagan’s US? There had to go all over the way, and they didn’t have professionally built boats. Even so, not all of them were accepted.

      But Mr Makow (if he was the author) got this spot on:

      “For many Irish men, the ultimate statement of their masculinity is not pride in their country, but a nerdishly obsessive devotion to English soccer teams like Manchester United or Chelsea. They exemplify the cultural phenomenon I call the “macho mangina”: those men who have no stomach for defying the Feminist-thought cops and national suicide engineers, and who, instead, overcompensate by adopting a lifestyle the corporate crass media, with clear diversionary intent, sets before them as “manly” – e.g., obsessive interest in sport, cars, alcohol, heavy metal, porn, etc.”

      • Truthist

        I think that Duffy is correct with both observations ;
        On O’Connell Steet, Dublin city centre’s main thoroughfare, foreigners often outnumber native Irish at a rate of well over 100 to one.
        Contributing to that “OFTEN” phenomenon, Indigenous Irish know better to avoid locations where the Hard Drug Addicts come.
        Naive foreigners resident here still trying to find their bearings think that O’Connell Street is safe civilised part of town that is worthiest as meet-up location.
        The official figures say migrants account for around 15 per cent of the Irish population—much higher than in most European countries, but still a huge underestimate.
        Jude Duffy is echoing what u say ;
        Maybe she is avid reader of ur posts.

        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          “Naive foreigners resident here still trying to find their bearings think that O’Connell Street is safe civilised part of town that is worthiest as meet-up location.” – cannot agree more.

      • Deco

        “For many Irish men, the ultimate statement of their masculinity is not pride in their country, but a nerdishly obsessive devotion to English soccer teams like Manchester United or Chelsea. They exemplify the cultural phenomenon I call the “macho mangina”: those men who have no stomach for defying the Feminist-thought cops and national suicide engineers, and who, instead, overcompensate by adopting a lifestyle the corporate crass media, with clear diversionary intent, sets before them as “manly” – e.g., obsessive interest in sport, cars, alcohol, heavy metal, porn, etc.”

        That is very true.

        I used the term “muppet in a eircom jersey” in relation to this feature.

        This country is far more successful at golf, showjumping, and boxing than at soccer.

        But the supporters of those sports don’t make as much profit per head, for the national drug, Guinness.

        Which I might add, is the most over-rated, over-sold, over-revered scutter ever created.

    • Truthist

      Article was not written by Henry Makow ;
      He only tweeted it as worthy of inspection ;
      But, he concluded that Irish State does indeed have bigger % of immigrants not related to indigenous Irish.
      Author is Jude Duffy.
      Duffy guilty of typo in spelling of Bacik’s forename ;
      I gather that Bacik is not a Christian ;
      Bacik’s [ militant ] support for Abortion.
      But, even the best of us is prone to typos. 8-)
      Duffy’s statistics based on 20,000 is in this passage ;
      Take for example the formerly sleepy seaside village of Balbriggan, just 15 miles north of Dublin city:
      The 2011 census says that out of a population of almost 20,000, 31 per cent are ethnically non-Irish and 12 per cent are black.
      Maybe, she is indeed correct but u misinterpreted her communication.
      Because we are considering “MAYBE”, … maybe she is wrong ;
      If wrong, I expect that she did so mistakenly personally or on basis of trusting stat.s given to her by delegatee.

      • Grzegorz Kolodziej

        She was the catalyst, but I only started paying serious attention to it when Goldbug gave me two legal primary sources from the Irish law. If it wasn’t for Goldbug, it would have been just someone’s opinion. Always look for primary sources in such cases. Goldbug did a very good job on that front (especially that he gaves us the contemporary source too, in relation to the provisions of the Treaty). Kudos to him for that.

  22. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47223.htm

    Comey Shows Americans That Law Does Not Apply To The Elite
    By Michael Scheuer

  23. Truthist

    F..msns to North of me ;
    Lodges galore
    F..msns to South of me ;
    Most discreet ;
    F..msns to West of me ;
    Every USA President bar JFK probably
    All of Wall Street
    The Republican Party
    The Democrat Party
    The Judiciary
    The Corporates
    The Foundations

    inter alia
    F..msns to East of me ;
    “The old Bill” ; And, in fact all the Coppers in Britain
    House of Lords
    House of Commons
    All of UK Judiciary
    All of UK’s Professions
    All of UK’s Political Parties ; Except [ All of ... Gerry Adams ? ] Sinn Fein
    Some of most senior of Underworld
    Most of Corporates
    inter alia
    AND, not forgetting :
    F..sns to the South East of me ;
    E.U. > Carolingian Group > France + BeNeLux
    The Vatican
    And, then South South-East of me ;
    The Moslem Brotherhood ;
    A F..sn Organisation set up by The Dreadful Few so as to control the Muslim Arabic countries.

    Such an iniquitous Judiciary as in the case below is to be expected in Irish State or North East of Ireland or UK or USA or Canada while the current F..msn policy is to favor viragos ;
    Female Oxford student stabs boyfriend, may avoid jail because of promising medical career
    “… a female Oxford University student may get no jail time for assaulting her boyfriend — punching him in the face and stabbing him in the leg while in “an alcohol-and-drug-fuelled row” — because she has a bright future as a surgeon.

    The Guardian reports Judge Ian Pringle said of defendant Lavinia Woodward: “It seems to me that if this was a one-off, a complete one-off, to prevent this extraordinary able young lady from not following her long-held desire to enter the profession she wishes to would be a sentence which would be too severe.”

    From the story:

    Woodward, who lives in Milan, Italy, with her mother, stabbed her then-boyfriend in the leg after punching him in the face. She then hurled a laptop, glass and jam jar at him during the attack on 30 September last year, the court heard. She was in court to hear the judge’s comments.

    The court was told that Christ Church would allow her to return in October because she “is that bright” and has had articles published in medical journals.

    Mitigating, James Sturman QC said his client’s dreams of becoming a surgeon were “almost impossible” as her conviction would have to be disclosed. She had had a very troubled life and was abused by a previous boyfriend, he said.

    Woodward will be sentenced on 25 September. She was given a restraining order and told to stay drug-free and not to reoffend. …”

  24. Deco

    Michael Martin’s stooge, Leo Varadkar has just produced a clanger.

    The irony here is sublime.


    LV is in an even more difficult predicament.

    LV is literally looking over his shoulder at the gangster that served in several cabinets that bankrupted the state.

    Leo, don’t get too close to that slimy IMFF party boss.

    • Truthist

      Mehole will be finished politically with what Jude Duffy has accused him of,
      Mehole is a F..sn
      And, particulaly a F..sn who is a traitor to Ireland

      • Truthist

        DO NOT FORGET ;
        HEADING ;

  25. Grzegorz Kolodziej

    Whatever cirmcustances we have in our lives, no matter how we legitimately complaign about the property bubble and mismanagement of the country, we shouldn’t not forget that we are alive and can repair certain things in our lives, and there are some who no longer have this chance, and who sacrificied not their holidays, not their cinema tickets, not their wage cuts, but their lives:


    Be frank: how many of us on this blog would do that? Would President Higgins, the main moralist in this country, have done that?

  26. jaysus

    Stunning how many religious nut jobs post here. Laughable to hear the words logic and creationism mentioned together.
    If a puddle was sentient it would look around and think, wow I must have been created as I fit so perfect with my surroundings.
    Get it??
    How can anyone think that imaginary sky faires just clicked their fingers and the univers magically came into being??? Flat earth 10 000 yrs old???? How stupid can people be???? DUP anyone?

    • Grzegorz Kolodziej

      You are right. The universe came into being naturally, just like a hurricanes, sweeping through a scrapyard, naturally assemble Boeings 747.

      “How can anyone think that imaginary sky faires just clicked their fingers and the univers magically came into being??? Flat earth 10 000 yrs old????” – I don’t know how anyone can think that: you are the first person here mentioning it. Why would you think that? I don’t know.
      And why would anyone think that the universe came into being out of nothing, like in ekpyrotic models of Big Bang?

    • michaelcoughlan


      The speed of light isn’t the fastest thing in the universe. Sound can travel faster. The big bang could have been god farting :-)


      • Grzegorz Kolodziej

        Other examples:
        - Cherenkov radiation (first measured in 1934); awarded the Nobel Physics Prize in 1958 for his discovery.
        When the core of the Advanced Test Reactor is submerged in water to keep it cool, light travels at 75 percent the speed it would in the vacuum of outer space, but the electrons created by the reaction inside of the core travel through the water faster than the light does.
        Of course, the particles are not actually breaking the cosmic speed limit of 299,792 kilometres per second.

        Einstein’s special theory of relativity states that nothing with mass can go faster than the speed of light.


        Empty space contains no material substance and therefore, by definition, has no mass.
        “Since nothing is just empty space or vacuum, it can expand faster than light speed since no material object is breaking the light barrier,” said theoretical astrophysicist Michio Kaku on Big Think. “Therefore, empty space can certainly expand faster than light.”
        The inflationist models of Big Bang assume precisely that, as first hypothesised by physicists Alan Guth and Andrei Linde in the 1980s.

        Besides, I’m sure you must have heard of the EPR and the comical story around it – Einstein, Podolsky and Rosen tried to disprove faster than light communication, but willy-nilly, their paper laid the foundation for the instantaneous communication of quantum entanglement.

        Then there are wormholes too – I mean, I’m not claiming that there exist or not, but they are an integral part of current cosmology.

    • Truthist

      June 7, 2017 at 9:42 am

      As one of the probabably few scientists reading the comments here I am very dissapointed to see people I thought were intelligent on this forum dismiss scientific fact as “a load of old shite”. So you know better then all the climate scientists and atmospheric scientists put together?
      Wait till Antigua is under water then we can see what your opinion will be.
      I bet you have also laughed at the fact that smoking causes cancer. Probably one of the muppets that laughed at the scientific fact that CFC gases damage the ozonlayer? Or are you happy to parade your scientific ignorance like Trump here:

      June 7, 2017 at 10:41 am

      U are a scientist ?
      What is ur speciality ?
      Do u have a university degree ?
      If “Yes”, please elaborate.


      • michaelcoughlan


        because almost no one reads your posts and even less take you seriously.

    • goldbug






  27. Truthist


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  29. Truthist

    “… Putin suggested that Cameron had called the referendum in order to “blackmail” the rest of Europe. The evidence for this theory is compelling. It should be remembered that for all their self-serving chauvinistic rhetoric, the British Neocons don’t dislike the EU on account of its control by corrupt transnationals and even more corrupt bankers: au contraire they want it to be even MORE controlled by these forces than it already is. The referendum was clearly a move to force the EU to undertake “root and branch reform”, i.e., to surrender completely to Anglo-American Zionist warmongers and corporate privateers. In all the phoney euphoria over the Brexit result it’s easily forgotten that in so far as there has been opposition to Zionist war-mongering, surveillance and privatisation within the EU, it has certainly not come from Britain.
    Furthermore the desire of British Neocons to force the EU’s hand is not really a secret: in the very early days of the referendum campaign, Boris Johnson and another leading Brexiter, former Tory leader, Michael Howard, both stated that a Brexit vote was a way of forcing Europe to make better terms with Britain.
    For all its bellyaching, the British Zio-m..snic state already gets much better terms from the EU than most European nations – not surprising since the EU is not, as British chauvinists of Hitchens’ type ludicrously claim, a German imperialist project, but rather a vehicle for Anglo-American Zionist dominion. For instance Angela Merkel agreed to take in a million refugees to Germany, while Britain has agreed to take in a paltry 20,000 over five years. By the same token the French are compelled by their Anglo-masters to oversee huge refugee camps on their northern coast – in order to prevent migrants making it to Britain.
    None of the above is to in any way argue that opposition to the EU is misguided, but simply to illustrate that in this particular referendum there were no good guys. A triumph against globalism Brexit most certainly was not.”

  30. Truthist

    If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.
    If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat.
    If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
    Sun Tzu

  31. “”Are We Nearing Civil War?

    The media, the beneficiaries of these leaks, are giving cover to those breaking the law. The real criminal “collusion” in Washington is between Big Media and the deep state, colluding to destroy a president they detest and to sink the policies they oppose.”"


    • http://www.gopusa.com/?p=25710?omhide=true

      Robert Mueller Stocks Staff with Democrat Donors
      GOPUSA Staff GOPUSA Staff 6:50 am June 13, 201712 comments

      Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich sparked a mini-meltdown in the media Monday with a tweet challenging the fairness of the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

      Gingrich, who also appeared on “The Laura Ingraham Show,” pointed to the early hires special counsel Robert Mueller has made.

      “Republicans are delusional if they think the special counsel is going to be fair,” he tweeted. “Look who he is hiring.check fec [sic] reports. Time to rethink.”

      He’s not wrong about the donations. Four top lawyers hired by Mueller have contributed tens of thousands of dollars over the years to the Democratic Party and Democratic candidates, including former President Barack Obama and President Donald Trump’s 2016 opponent, Hillary Clinton.

      Read the rest at LifeZette

  32. Truthist

    Because yee are such prudes & for purposes of yee to benefit heuristically, I let it up to yerselves, dear elves, to highlight the phrase below & then right-click & then in the right-hand side menu that pops u to select Google this phrase [ or whatever is the actual particular wording in the menu ] ;
    Anyway, here is the phrase ;
    And as any economist will tell you, you’re more likely to be an outrageous flirt when faced with a thick market.

  33. Truthist

    Cabinet to mull laws on online bugging
    Tuesday, June 13, 2017
    By Cormac O’Keeffe
    Irish Examiner Reporter
    The Government is to be briefed in the coming weeks on forthcoming laws giving law enforcement agencies powers to intercept email and internet communications.

    The measures are contained in proposed legislation to legally underpin online bugging — powers already in place in relation to telephone communications.

    In a development since the new powers were mooted last November, the Department of Justice said it was considering “enhancing safeguards” in terms of the granting and monitoring of the system.

    Digital Rights Ireland said these safeguards will have to involve authorisation by a judge or an independent body — in line with a ruling at the European Court of Justice last December.
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    Currently, under Irish law, the justice minister authorises the use of phone bugging by gardaí, the Defence Forces, and the Garda Ombudsman.

    A department spokesperson said: “The need to enhance powers in this regard is absolutely essential given the importance of taking strong action to tackle terrorism and organised crime.

    “Recent events in Manchester and London serve only to remind us of the ongoing need to ensure that the agencies charged with defending the security of the State must have all the assistance necessary.”

    The department said it had consulted with industry, privacy, and rights bodies.

    The spokesperson said Tánaiste Frances Fitzgerald believed protection of citizens’ fundamental rights was of “paramount importance” and that consideration was being given to the “enhancement of safeguards”.

    Telephone calls can be intercepted in the investigation of serious crime and protecting State security.

    The department said that, “under current arrangements”, only the justice minister can authorise bugging and that the system is overseen independently by a High Court judge who reports to the Taoiseach.

    Last November, the department said “no change” was proposed to these arrangements.

    However, the spokesperson yesterday said: “Consideration is being given to ways in which the safeguards currently in the act may be supplemented or enhanced.”

    Law lecturer TJ McIntyre, chair of Digital Rights Ireland, said the department has had to amend its proposals following a European Court of Justice (Tele2/ Watson) decision last December in which it ruled that access to phone records must be approved by a judge or an independent body.

    Mr McIntyre said this applies even more so to accessing the content of those conversations and would apply to both phone and online communications.

    “The protections will have to apply to all communications, email and phone, traffic data and content,” he said.

    He said the UK government recently introduced powers which retained the power of authorisation in the home affairs minister, but with a judicial oversight.

    “The department here might try and borrow the UK approach, but I don’t think that’s a runner. The ECJ decision is very clear.”

    One thing that is less clear is if the forthcoming laws will include access to encrypted online technologies, such as WhatsApp.

    Garda sources said their inability to access encrypted technology was a “major failing” and resulted in “significant intelligence gaps”.

    Mr McIntyre said “very opaque” UK laws could give it the power to compel service providers to build a “back door” into encrypted technologies.

    He thought it was “very unlikely” the department would do this unless it was part of a wider EU initiative.

  34. Truthist

    The DUP, being DUP–ES for Israel, are all for this ;
    And, let us not forget that they wanted to do Israeli-style fighter aircraft gunning & bombing of Dundalk, Drogheda, Crossmaglen, inter alia.

  35. Truthist

    Here are some from John Hamer [ an authority on the Bankster Scam Bundle, & other factual conspiracies ] ;

  36. Truthist


    • Extract

      “Why are we here today?” she asked.
      “To make revolution,” they answered.
      {feminists Universities are training grounds
      for the womens liberation movement}

      “What kind of revolution?” she replied.
      “The Cultural Revolution,” they chanted.
      “And how do we make Cultural Revolution?” she demanded.
      “By destroying the American family!” they answered.
      “How do we destroy the family?” she came back.
      “By destroying the American Patriarch,” they cried exuberantly.
      “And how do we destroy the American Patriarch?” she replied.
      “By taking away his power!”
      “How do we do that?”
      “By destroying monogamy!” they shouted.
      “How can we destroy monogamy?”

      Their answer left me dumbstruck, breathless, disbelieving my ears. Was I on planet earth? Who were these people?

      “By promoting promiscuity, eroticism, prostitution and homosexuality!” they resounded.

      The breakdown of the moral codes will destroy society leaving it weak and disillusioned.

  37. Truthist

    Now, what particularly “sneaky & traitorous politician” / “inept administrator” from Cork is much given to using much of the same hand gestures as the funny-moustached guy did ?

  38. McCawber

    A chink in the armour – Maybe even a hint of reality breaking out.
    Interesting too that the FED have raised interest rates – to slow down a developing property bubble perhaps.
    Over to you guys for your usual disection.


    • McCawber

      Inflation measurement and control presumably (Or at least I hope so) involves the actual rate of inflation + a rate of change.
      Does anyone know how the CB arrive at their decisions.
      How much of it is subjective.

  39. McCawber

    BOI are planning to make some of their branches tellerless.
    Another step in the direction of a cashless society.
    The first direct effect will be to make foreign exchange more difficult.
    Which usually means higher charges.
    A little tale.
    I usually bring enough cash with me to the US to cover my needs.
    Last trip I needed to take $200 out of an ATM.
    Cost me $3 transaction charge for the local bank.
    That’s 1.5%.
    $200 was the limit so min charge is going to be 1.5%.
    Then of course my Irish bank got their cut.
    It’s daylight robbery.
    Can you imagine if it was card only how much its going to cost when I’m abroad.
    However transferwise or companies like them may come to the rescue.

    Transferwise use an Estonia bank for Euro trades. I noticed that at least one of the crypto currency trading platforms used an Estonian bank also.
    Any significance to that.
    As an aside I vaguely remember that there is an Irish company that does currency exchange similar to Transferwise

  40. Grzegorz Kolodziej


    To paraphrase Mr Verhofstadt – did the Carolingians just score their own goal? What will they do if
    - they impose their sanctions,
    - withdraw EU subsidies from V4 (which I’m in favour of – same as I’m in favour of Ireland withdrawing from CAP),
    - V4 suspends its membership fee and takes a closer look at their companies tax cheating in V4 countries
    - and the netto result will be that people lose jobs in Germany, France and Benelux?

    Can Berlin and Paris survive their hitherto EU dominance if V4 tells them to fuck off and the whole world sees that there is nothing they can do about it – like there is nothing they can do about President’s Trump visit to Poland (and before his visit to Russia) – his second foreign trip in the capacity of the US President, which shows that for the US, right now Poland is world’s second most important partner: which is ALL that those EU “refugee” sanctions are ALL ABOUT – as they didn’t impose any sanctions on any o t h e r (but V4) EU countries who didn’t take “refugees”?

    • Deco

      It is a form of bullying.

      The illusion that you are in a mechanism that treats you with respect. And then when you don’t obey, they have to punish you until you stop being insubordinate.

      The EU has become a punishment club since the Greek crisis erupted.

      Greece should have gotten out.
      Ireland should have gotten out.
      Britain knows that it is better off getting out.
      Portugal has yet to make the same realization.
      And Italy definitely would be better off getting out.

      The whole racket is gradually becomming tyrannical, one step at a time.

      As I stated above, the EU is an abusive relationship provider – it bribes you to get you in, and then it abuses you.

  41. Grzegorz Kolodziej

    Nearly forgot – Mr Verhofstadt’s (Mr Verhofstadt is an unkempt Belgian politician whose government was involved in covering up paedophilia scandals in Belgium) provocative statements that Britain can return to the EU, but without their rebate, only confirms my thesis that the Carolingians WANTED Brexit.

    Belgium’s right to speak to V4 from a high moral ground and patronise them on legal standards is laid out in the article:


    • Deco

      Child molestation is occurring STILL at the very highest level of power and wealth in Beligum.

      Marc Dutrout was the tip of the iceberg. He almost spilled the entire thing out in the open. Instead he spilled some of it out in the open.

  42. Truthist

    08 June was the 50th anniversary of the Israeli attack on the USA’s USS Liberty when it was 17 miles from Egypt ;
    It was carefully planned “false flag” attack that Israel wanted blamed on Egypt ;
    The next part of the plan was that USA in revenge would carpet bomb Cairo & other heavily populated Egyption cities.
    Indeed, nuclear attacks on Cairo & Alexandria have since been revealed in the detail.
    June 8th Marks 50th Anniversary of USS Liberty Incident (VIDEO)
    June 9, 2017 5:26 AM
    NOTE ;
    Official statement from http://www.usslibertyveterans.org:
    BLURB ;
    ON JUNE 8, 1967, while patrolling in international waters in the Eastern Mediterranean Sea, USS Liberty (AGTR-5) was savagely attacked without warning or justification by air and naval forces of the state of Israel. Of a crew of 294 officers and men (including three civilians), the ship suffered thirty four (34) killed in action and one hundred seventy three (173) wounded in action. The ship itself, a Forty Million ($40,000,000) Dollar state of the art signals intelligence (SIGINT) platform, was so badly damaged that it never sailed on an operational mission again and was sold in 1970 for $101,666.66 as scrap.

    At 1400 hours, while approximately about 17 nautical miles off the northern Sinai coast and about 25 nautical miles northwest of El Arish, USS Liberty’s crew observed three surface radar contacts closing with their position at high speed. …”

  43. A brilliant essay by one of the foremost thinkers of our time!! There is not one Acronym used thank goodness, and better yet definitions of relatively obscure words are defined providing for clarity of meaning. No second guessing here!


    The objectives of Gnosticism are essentially unattainable, because it is impossible to change the nature of the human being, and it is just as impossible to achieve a transfigured society. All Gnostics share this trait: the denial of reality.

    “Great questions remain unanswered: How and when will humanity rid itself of this Gnostic Plague? How and when may humanity have rulers that will respond to the Cosmic Order of the Creator, that acquiesces in the human state of affairs without calling for a new heaven on earth? And finally, another great question that remains open: How are we to defend ourselves from the powerful religious Gnosticism of Islam?”

  44. Debt is the all encompassing problem. It is fostered by central bankers and commercial banks. The Commercial banks create 90% of the money and it is all issued as debt. The interest on the debt is sucking us dry. nobody including governments can continue this charade. However while central bankers buy 300 billion a month of financial otherwise non performing assets the can is kicked a little further down the road.

    Mike Savage

    Update June 15, 2017

    Many of you may know that I am originally from the State of Illinois. As I was growing up we had the best of all worlds in my opinion. We had a community swimming pool that was extremely affordable for everyone. You may ask if I were a kid how would I actually know that. Good question. I was able to go a few times a week and we were FAR from the top of the economic ladder. We had great facilities for baseball, football and other sports. People worked (one job could support a family then) and still had time to coach their kids or at least attend the games.

    As I grew a little older I saw first hand how the quiet little town became a little less family friendly as the pool had to remove its diving boards because the liability insurance became too high. I went to the supermarket and found out that price controls didn’t work. My real world experience was with my mom at the store looking for American cheese- probably around 1973 or so. The man at the store politely said “the government says we have to sell the cheese for $2.00 but it costs us $3.00 to buy so we have no cheese. (Richard Nixon’s attempt at price controls after de-linking the $ from its gold backing).

    I watched from afar as Richard Daley ran the “city that works” in Chicago. I won’t go into the political shenanigans that were rumored to take place (many believe that Mr. Daley got JFK elected) but it was a city that had strong unions and all of the funding problems were addressed in Springfield as the rest of the state helped to prop up the socialist paradise of Chicago for as long as I can remember.

    This state may now be the poster state for all of the past kicking the can down the road and letting the future administrations worry about it. The future administrations are the ones in charge now.

    While many of the current politicians may ultimately be blamed for the oncoming train wreck the set-up for this problem started decades ago. Of course, two years without a spending budget, $15 billion in unpaid bills and the possibility of the state’s bonds being rated as “junk” possibly as soon as July 1st does show that this current crop of “leaders” does bear some responsibility.

    How bad is it? According to the Chicago Sun Times the Multi-State Lottery games are going to pull out of Illinois if they don’t have a budget by July 1st. There is no reason to believe they will. There was also a report in ZeroHedge that contractors have been ordered to stop roadwork repairs in Illinois as of July 1st.

    These two developments will speed up the state’s slide into insolvency that they can’t explain away. Those who were working on the roads will no longer have jobs and will no longer be paying income taxes. The multi-state lottery games (Powerball and Mega million) has likely been a cash cow and that revenue stream appears to be drying up.
    I have heard reports that lottery games run by Illinois have not been paying the prizes anyway until a budget is reached.

    The last time I looked the teacher’s pension plan in Illinois (which my mom collects a pension from) was funded at 39% – with stock, bond and realty markets at near all-time highs.

    The sad part is that Illinois, along with many other states have just had a head start on the problems that don’t appear to have any easy answers. The states do not have a “Fed” that can conjur money up out of nowhere and pretend that all is ok. It appears that the problems that have been swept under the rug are very close to becoming big-time mainstream news.

    Similar to the retail store closings this is a problem that can grow not in a linear fashion but exponentially because of all the people being affected down the economic line. Those without jobs buy less stuff. They also pay less taxes not only because of income taxes but also sales taxes, gas taxes, etc.

    Anyone who thinks that Illinois or many other states can just continue to raise property taxes is in lala land if you ask me. Many are already moving out of Illinois and into states that are more tax-friendly. Businesses are also moving out to lower tax destinations.

    Many may say- so what? We don’t live there! It is more than likely that where you live has the same problems that what we are discussing here but they may not be quite as acute at the moment. Here in Pennsylvania we have issued billions in bonds (debt) to fund pensions. This is a double-whammy because that money should be earning money and instead we may be paying more in interest than we are earning. Not a good plan for long-term solvency! The US government’s numbers make any numbers we discuss here sound miniscule. However, they Do have the FED to “print up” whatever “money” is necessary to keep the illusion of solvency alive for a while longer.

    According to David McIlvaney in his weekly report central banks are buying over $300 billion in assets (stocks and bonds mostly) per MONTH. We are rapidly approaching the point where everyone will realize that this “printing” has made a few at the top rich while stifling our economy.

    It is more than likely that most won’t pay attention until it is too late to do anything about what will likely be the most significant economic event of our lifetimes. All the signs are there. The cracks are clearly visible in virtually every developed economy as the economic activity slows and more and more “printing” is needed to keep the markets levitated and interest on the debt paid.

    It is painfully clear to me that this charade has done wonders for the few but has impoverished far more.

    My opinion is that the only way to win in this scenario is to diversify your assets as well as possible, have a plan that you are comfortable with and have the patience to see it through. I believe tough times are coming but with some planning it could also lead to unprecedented opportunities.

    Be Prepared!

    Mike Savage, Financial Advisor

  45. Truthist

    I notice that Aanirfan.blogspot.com has today an article on Mr. Kalergi ;
    The real father of the European Union.
    It’s a shocker !

  46. Truthist

    apropos of Irish State ;

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