March 19, 2017

How sliotar replaced the rugby ball for middle-class

Posted in Irish Independent · 93 comments ·

My first memory of going to a “big match” in a proper stadium is St Patrick’s Day 1976. I went with thousands of locals from around Dun Laoghaire to see CBC Monkstown in the Schools’ Senior Cup at Lansdowne Road.

CBC, the local school, was not a posh school but it was a rugby school. Back then, the “known world” to my nine-year-old self was the coastal stretch from Blackrock baths as far as the ramparts in Dalkey. It was a rugby and football place. By football I mean soccer, not GAA. And nobody played hurling here.

Had you told us that a Dalkey team would be All Ireland hurling champions, we’d have laughed at you.

For us, hurling was a dangerous game played by fellas from the country. It was the foreign game. Football was our first love and rugby came second. While some of us may have played GAA in national school, GAA’s roots were not deep here. Sure it was always played here, but for us, the FA Cup was a much bigger day than the All Ireland football final. Whatever about football, hurling never figured. Even most national schools, run by GAA-mad teachers, didn’t attempt hurling with only a tiny minority daring to champion the game. These lads were usually the sons of hurling obsessives who brought hurling up to Dublin when they left home to find work in the capital.

In fact, you could say that back then sport was genetic. You played what your dad played. The only devotee of GAA on our road was one Des Cahill who tried repeatedly to convert us from soccer and rugby to GAA with no success. Des’ father was the principal of the local national school.

In the early 1950s, my dad co-founded Dalkey United, and so my sport was soccer. Both cultures lived in harmony side by side but soccer was king.

In the 1970s and 1980s, Dalkey United shared its ground with a small GAA club called Cuala. Dalkey United was the senior partner in the shared ground. In fact, Dalkey — the soccer club — actually “gave” Cuala the extra pitch beside it out of sympathy for the GAA club, which in the 1960s didn’t have a permanent pitch.

Fast-forward to today and Cuala, the small GAA club of my memory, is ubiquitous in this former rugby and soccer stronghold. There are Cuala red and white flags everywhere from Monkstown to Dalkey. Cuala is the first Dublin club to reach the All Ireland hurling club final and what’s more, Cuala are now champions! There is a real buzz around the club getting into the final. People who wouldn’t know one end of a sliothar from the other are talking hurling. It’s a brilliant success story. And guess who is a big wig at the Cuala GAA club? Well, the very same Des Cahill, RTE’s ballroom dancer, who failed to convert us to GAA in the ’80s.

But how did this happen? How did hurling get a toehold in deepest south Dublin? How did the national school I went to, Johnstown National School, which didn’t have a hurling team in the 1970s and 80s, end up providing seven of the first XV for the Cuala team that played in Croke park yesterday?

More interestingly, from a cultural perspective, how did the middle class in this neck of the woods end up having to make a choice between the RDS Stadium and Croke Park on St Patrick’s Day?

Yesterday’s choice was between the Rugby Schools’ Senior Cup, the traditional middle class St Patrick’s game in this part of the world — Blackrock versus Belvedere — and the new middle class sport here of hurling and the club final between Dalkey’s Cuala and Balyea of Clare.

I am interested in the economic and demographic forces that have played out in coastal south Dublin in the past few decades. These forces have changed the cultural composition of the population and have manifested in the emergence of hurling as a significant cultural force here.

To understand this, we have to understand that the last two or three decades have been a time of enormous social upheaval in middle class Dublin. The main force has been the emergence of a rural professional class that has come to dominate Dublin’s professions.

These upwardly socially mobile punters from the country are the major winners in the Irish professional meritocracies of medicine, the higher levels of the civil service, the law, accountancy and banking. The failed bankers of Ireland were dismissed as “not very bright rugby players” in the boom, but if you care to look forensically at the backgrounds of the major players in the banking collapse, you will see far more fingerprints of Christian Brothers’ boys on the make, with corporate boxes in Croke Park, then the more-easy-to-lampoon south-side rugby jocks.

So what’s going on?

Like all cultural phenomena, the rise in hurling in alien territory has a major economic dimension to it. The main economic factor behind rise in hurling in coastal south Dublin can be traced to the 1960s and free education.

The class that benefitted most from free education in the 1960s and 1970s was not, as you might imagine, the industrial working class, but the small farming class. It is their grandsons now playing hurling in south Dublin.

A few years ago, two economists — Damian Hannan and Patrick Commins — wrote a paper called the ‘The Significance of Small Scale Landholders in Ireland’s Socio-Economic Transformation’. If anyone wants to understand the economics and the social patchwork that is Ireland today and why south Dublin plays hurling, this paper is invaluable.

The writers chart the extraordinary success of the sons of Ireland’s small farmers in the social revolution of the past few decades.

Mr Hannan and Mr Commins found, astonishingly, that the single most important determinant, on a county-by-county basis, of a county’s educational achievement in the 1960s and 1970s was the number of small farmers in each county. This is quite extraordinary and unique to this country.

The more small farmers in a county, the better educated the children were and the better they did in their Leaving Cert. They even found that the single most successful subsection of the Irish population was the children of small farmers in East Galway, the home of hurling in Connacht.

Compared to their urban, working-class counterparts, 30pc more children of small farmers did the Leaving Cert and 50pc more went on to third-level education.

They turned into the teacher aristocracy, bringing with them to Dublin a love of the GAA, squeezeboxes and Farah slacks. Their success in education also catapulted them into the public service in great numbers. Now they are retiring as the best-paid public servants in Europe. Their kids have gone up a notch on the social hierarchy to become doctors and lawyers. Some of them have adopted rugby, the sport of the old hierarchy, but they have also kept their allegiance to the GAA.

So as they bought houses in the coastal parts of south Dublin, they joined GAA clubs, not rugby or soccer clubs, leading to an explosion of GAA in this part of the world. As is so often the case in economics, the law of unintended consequences plays out. The unintended consequence of free education and related upward mobility is that Dalkey are All-Ireland champions. There won’t be a cow milked in Dalkey tonight…

    • Margaret

      I was a Primary school teacher for over 30 yrs and the GAA was and still is huge in the schools and rightly so. Lunchtime banter often revolved around “tickets to the match” for All Ireland finals. Fridays were always the ” are you going home”? days. I loved the stories of matches at “home” (Galway, Mayo, Kerry, Kilkenny etc) with brothers on teams and Dads on farms and mothers making sandwiches, neighbours calling in etc. I’m a Dub and TBH often felt a bit jealous of the close ties of country families. Teachers in families run deep. Only yesterday I was on a course with a teacher whose son and daughter joined the profession. David, you wrote previously re the golden egg of the farm still there when the teacher retired. The guy giving the course yesterday, just retired last year happened to mention the family farm is still there in Co. Clare, for 3 generations. They don’t do the Ross O’Carroll or the rugby but by God do they save. David, do a survey of rural teachers bank accounts BEFORE retirement ! Fair play to the generation who thought it extravagant to get a fancy hairdo and who wouldn’t waste money on make up, whose children (now teachers ) were given a lollipop after a good spelling test. They were and still are brilliant hurlers. Sure what’s the cost of a sliothar and some fresh air, while on teaching practice? or the bus out of Dublin on a Friday to go back home. The best, the smartest people from the 70′s. Probably nostalgia but I loved listening to them.

  1. Rugby

    In an older time I went to the same school as Paul O’Connor did many many years before . In those times some classmates of mine who’s family were steeped in rugby tradition in Limerick would often bring up the subject to play rugby in the school only to face ‘the leather’ and a lot of admonition and ridicule.

    Since then this same school are now rugby champions.

  2. Napoleon Wars were also unintended consequences as to why Dalkey even existed .

  3. The name Dalkey has primal West African origins meaning ‘ safe place for boats to land’.

    It is no wonder why the British were worried and built Martello Tower only to be followed by the soldering elite endorsed by Hugh Gough and Admiral to Queen Victoria and a county Limerick man.

  4. michaelcoughlan

    Nice article.

    “The more small farmers in a county, the better educated the children were and the better they did in their Leaving Cert”

    You didn’t go far enough here. If you knew how hard it was for to make a living off a small farm you would understand the do or die intensity to give the kids a good education.

    The other thing not elaborated on was that for many of the small farmers in the 50′s it was only 70 or so years since the land leaguers were on the go. As difficult a life as it was on a small farmer for the first time in a 1000 years the small farmer could enjoy the fruits of their own labour and put it into their kids and not the pockets of the land lords.

    This brings me to the nonsense about meritocracy in the head of the Irish civil disservice medicine etc.

    If the top guys (mostly guys) in there don’t continue to support gubernment policy replacing all those graduates you are talking about with all the expendable immigrant labour, land the irish taxpayer with the bill for keeping the banks open. tolerate record levels of homelessnes, record breaking hospital waiting lists, dreadful economic policy, dysfunctional housing policy, etc. etc. etc. do you think any of them will last long enough to collect those great (bribes) pensions.

    Your most important attributes in those circles is to be a short sighted ignorant half wit like many in the Grab all association.


  5. The question I ask is why did not the native Dublinese fill the void with their free education and why was it that the cultchies were shown to do that only ? And why are the most in elevated civil service all hail from Kerry .

    • These elite also created the pension pot they now skeeve from that is financed by a dwindling over taxed workforce.When will the camels back break ?

      • What will the impact be on the next social wave in Dublin be ? This means :

        What will be the next social movement of people ?

        Who do they represent ?

        What technology do they embrace ?

        What language do they speak ?

        Will bullfighting come to Dalkey or backgammon , camel racing , sharia law school , tango championships, colourful ganges festival on the quays, lantern championships.?

        What else can arrive from The WEST ( Kingdom of Kerry) ?

    • McCawber

      I’ll give you two clues.
      Where are most of the Gaeltachts based?
      What language must you (still as far as I know) have at least a pass leaving certificate standard in order to qualify for employment with a certain organisation?
      So much for equality.

      • Deco

        Ah yes…..teachers are in a ‘safe sapce’ where they can wax lyrical about equality, knowing that their institutional position prevents them from having to face any competition, or downward pay pressure.

        In the 1980s and 1990s, Ireland’s primary and secondary education systems were wonder machines. Producing highly literate, capable, hardworking students. The only problem was that when they went to Third Level, they were swamped with sales promotions from the dominant brewing oligopoly with an objective of turning them all into profit centres for the said brewing oligopoly.

      • joe sod

        good point, but maybe the resurgance of gaa in dublin and elsewhere is a passing phenomenon and has already played out. The large migration flows into ireland over the last decade are bound to weaken the hold the gaa has. The polish especially have no interest in gaa and this is the next big influence on ireland. Another point is that gaa maybe very popular today with farmers but not so much in times past. It was considered too dangerous and farmers then could not afford to get injured when there work was so physically demanding back then.

        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          “The polish especially have no interest in gaa and this is the next big influence on ireland.”

          You’ve obviously never heard of Cumann Warszawa (there are plenty of Poles in it as well).

          I posted links to their website twice…

  6. zeedonk

    Not many gay men with dogs wearing waistcoats to be seen in Dalkey lately. Not a GAA thing. Shame.

  7. Mike Lucey

    The other side of the coin!

    ‘Ireland’s urbanization a massive challenge for the GAA’

    Coincidentally, Ballyea in only a few miles out the road from me.

  8. Deco

    Not too sure what to say – given that I have completely given up spectator sports. [ And it dovetails nicely with my decision to stop watching television ]. Therefore I comment on the sports result.

    Eamon Gilmore and his Missus are from East Galway, and are part of that demographic. President Higgins grew up on a small farm in County Limerick, launched a career in academia, and later politics. Bertie Ahern’s parents came from County Cork, and he studied in the London School of Economics. Actually, hold on….he didn’t – that was just one of those claims. Mary Harney was born in East Galway, and was a farmer’s daughter in TCD.

    The only thing that leaves me gobsmacked here is that Kerry did not head the list – and I have never been in County Kerry in my life.

    In fact that demographic seem to have dominate much of the past two decades.

    They did NOT all think alike. However, certain observations have shown up.

    And one of those features is a belief in academic success, as the route to the top. The piece of paper. The degree. It was a formula for succes. Get your degree and then get into the state system, the banks, or some other “SAFE” profession.

    Another, is self belief, and in a certain pride in one’s accomplishments – and maybe even a status attached to that.

    Another feature is massive driving ambition. I met this head on two decades ago. I was in love with a girl from NE Galway. Ultimately, her ambition was what drove her forward, and drove me away :))) I do not mind ambition, but my issue was that she did nothing else. I suppose in retrospect, it was a signal that I was not her objective. Everything else could be switched off – except the ambition. She eventually got the big job that she always wanted. And she deserved it. No doubt about that. But she also became the type of person that I would presently find uninteresting.

    They can have a certain pre-occuptation with what other people think of them. Not superficial as in snobbish, but as in “everybody is out for themselves, what are you looking for”. This is actually a widespread Irish variation of the “Affluenza” epidemic that is gripping many Western countries. They demand to have ‘standing’.

    Intellectually, they are as strong and as weak as the Irish Third Level Education system, and the Irish media – both locations where one’s bias is always of greater importance than one’s objectivity. And this is a weakpoint, as both slide.

    An internal reward system, that they give themselves.

    A belief in spectator sports as an outlet for excitement. In fact a complete refusal to admit to it being somewhat silly.

    A belief in equality of opportunity, and often a belief in equality of outcome also (which is the contrary of the concept of self-responsibility).

    A tendency to advocate meritocracy before employment. This may continue, or may be dropped, afterwards, as the need suits. A contempt for the boys clubs that dominate certain circles also exists, and an eagerness to encourage everybody to fulfill their ambitions and talents, and not fear the boarding school boys running BoI/AIB.

    A tendency to see oneself as more personally accompished, than both core urban and core rural.

    A belief in the system, or at least a reluctance to demand it to be radically overhauled. A belief in the credibility of those in authority, and those in the public life – as long as they had their standing. This is another massive blindspot. Yes, Michael Dee was a lecturer in NUIG, but frankly his eulogy to Fidel Castro speaks volumes of the level of stupidity that he is capable of producing. Likewise Brian Lenihan the genius lawyer, who made a complete mess of the banking crisis. They are very reluctant to question somebody with superior qualificactions, even if the person with the qualifications is speaking utter rubbish, and driving disaster into place.

    In other words, they respect those achieve in their careers, even if that person is making an assessment that is either dishonest, or inadequate. This is a SERIOUS Flaw.


    An opportunity was presented, and the most academically ambitious people in Ireland, grabbed it. And in the process, they catapulted Ireland forward, in terms os academic based achievement.

    I am just wondering, but is there a certain level of groupthink in Irish society, based on a particular concept of career and ambition ? Like the way that there was a groupthink amongst the Anglo-Irish aristocracy, in a previous era ?

    Well, yes, of course there is. There is a never ask about your academically qualified, or career achiever betters. That is the group think.

    And there is another aspect as well. One that was discovered in the early 1990s, in one respect.

    And by that I mean an attitude to risk, and social status. In Ireland, because there was more competition than availability of places, the attitude to risk hardened, over time.

    Is the real issue here, that those with that magic bit of paper, have more standing than those with the application ability ? In other words, do we give too much credibility, money and power to lawyers, and teachers, at the expense of Engineers and Technicians ?

    Have we copperfastened ourselves to what were left with, by the British, at the turn of the century, when we should have figured out another more practical approach, some time ago. In other words, have we followed a route to becomming Ontario, when we might have been wiser to have been more like the Danes, or the Swiss, given our limited resource base.

    Maybe ultimately, our relationship with risk is central here. And that relationship is East-West.

    Entrepreneurs were more like to come from Monaghan than Clare, and are more likely to come Louth than East-Galway. But the inverse also applied with regards to the surgeons, the senior public servants, and even the politicians. But – in those counties there WERE more options. And there was more money available. With the result that risks could be taken. If all else failed, you could be a tradesman. When you are getting open heart surgery, the master surgeon will probably be a Kerry man – just like when you are flying, the entrepreneur behind the canary yellow and blue combination, it is from Westmeath.

    Kids growing up in a family of four kids plus in the Atlantic counties, with NO option of off-farm employment, and a barely subsistence level agricultural income, are in a low margin of error scenario. They are encouraged to pick the sure bet, and to throw everything into it.

    They CANNOT afford to get a bad degree. Ross O’Carroll Kelly can flunk first year, to fit in partying, and can be rubbish and can still land a job in the Old man’s business. But some kid from the West, whose parents drive a 9 year old Toyota cannot. They follow a well trodden path of academic and career success. Because they KNOW that it works.

    There is only two problems for Ireland, with regard to this demographic trend.

    The first, is that members of this trend are now entering retirement, and their retirement bill is horrendous.

    And the villages that they left are cratering from population collapse. Ireland is not being supplied with that ambitious element, to the same scale as before.

    In essence there were too many kids and not enough income until 10 years ago. The Atlantic counties of Ireland, are now in a dire shape.

  9. Could it be rural brains and brawn overcoming urban inertia?
    Purely from personal observation over the years.
    I notice that country folk are generally fitter and stronger than their urban relatives as their occupation involves a lot of physical activity. Rural kids are and have to be problem solvers. Working a farm is a complex occupation full of analysis and decision making during the days. Because of this, far from being country bumkins, country folk develop a superior more well rounded IQ.

    Put these folks into the urban environment and their physical robustness, general good health, and developed problem solving curiosity allow them to thrive. Call it vitality if you wish. This is somewhat akin to an invasive specie of plant or animal finding, on invading a new environment, there are no natural predators to inhibit growth, at least for a couple of generations until the real connection to the land is lost and they become urbanized.

    Just a thought, gleaned from observation, with no scientific study at all.

    • Deco

      I think there is something more sinister in action.

      I am reminded of a book called “Affluenza”.

      Amonst certain individuals, the level of “consumerist programming” is more intense, and it produces more definite short term results.

      In other words, it makes people in certain communities better at consumption.

      And by extension, this also makes them less capable at production.

      If you cannot afford it, then you are less likely to participate. And thereby you become more successful.

      The problem of recent years, being that “affluenza” has spread everywhere, via Television. It is now reaching all corners, and is pervasively spreading the “benefits” (short term) of self induced incapacity.

    • nothisrealname

      Not sure it has so much to do with any differences between rural and urban people. Hurling tended to be stronger in the more prosperous and fertile rural areas, Con Holahan said this was because the wealtheir landlords found there, often sponsored either a cricket or hurling team.
      Also while we in the rural west considered ourselves poor and we were compared to more fertile regions such as where hurling thrived, we were better off than much of the urban working class and poor, most especially in Dublin’s tower blocks and tenements. So maybe a lot of the rural hurling class started out with more of an advantage than they might like to pretend.
      Michael is right, it is extremely hard to squeeze a living out of a small farm, having said that farmers at all levels can be something of professional poor mouths. Some will tell you that having connections to the gaa will do no harm at all to your chances professional advancement.
      David’s experience of the changes in sporting afiliations are similar to here here. Growing up in the 1960′s gaelic football was the only game here in rural areas, professional people usually government employees brought hurling, and television brought soccer. Soccer is more suited to confined urban areas hence its greater popularity there, you need more space and grassy areas to play gaa games and rugby properly.

    • sravrannies

      Hi Tony – off topic but wanted to ask; have you heard of Clif High at He tries to forecast future event based on “predictive linguistics”. Either a total whack or a genius. The reason I thought of you is that he’s based in Olympia, WA – a mere hop from you. Clif is very much into sustainability, Silver/Gold/Bitcoin but also aliens etc.

      check it his reports.


      • Thanks Peter. Yes I listen to him now and then.
        The forecasters are numerous. Each with a separate skill set the promote.
        I basically try to follow the fundamentals and ride out the smoke and mirrors.
        The Ides of March passed much like the advent of year 2000.
        The changes will come when least expected. Mother nature abhors a vacuum or even an imbalance.
        All the excesses revert to the medium or further.
        The debt, money printing , P/E ratios, record low interest rates etc will revert to the norm

        Invest in the most undervalued item and wait. Read as much about silver as you can. Very interesting.

        All the best Peter

  10. Deco

    The kids from the Atlantic Counties with excellent college marks, deserve credit for making Ireland more meritocratic.

    Unfortunately, since the mid 1990s, there has been a relentless puch to make Ireland less meritocratic. And this will get even worse in the coming years.

    The harder you work, the more you do – the more you get scammed by an institutional morass, that is out of control.

  11. Original-Ed

    A hurling team from Dalkey in an all Ireland Final is a strange phenomenon. I was out in Dalkey on Friday afternoon where the place was decked out with flags and there was a palpable sense of excitement on the streets. I asked a passer-by what was going on, to be told that Cula (Cuala),a local hurling team, were playing in Croke Park, What! Dalkey, playing hurling – I being from Kilkenny,was really taken aback.
    All credit to them and to the town for the level of support on display.

    What most people don’t realize about kilkenny hurling is that it has its roots in Criket. Over one hundred years ago, Kilkenny had something like eighty six Cricket clubs. Locals in my part of County Kilkenny played Cricket in the summer and hurling in winter. This all stopped in the thirties when foreign sports began to be frowned upon, sometimes with the threat of violence.
    A a small child I used to wonder what this white gear in a press was for, but I never got an answer – it had become a taboo and possibly dangerous. Hurling is what everybody did back then and every child took a hurley to school.

    I never saw Cricket played until I went to England and there it was more a home counties game as opposed to rugby which is more prominent in the shires.

  12. Deco

    Of course, the real power, is with those with the big money, and access to political party machines.

    Perhaps the greatest disappointment in the last 40 years, has been the non-arrival of another option in retail banking to circumvent the Duopoly or AIB/BoI.

    I think that the opportunity has passed. We will be stuck with two useless, rotten monoliths, run predominantly by rugger boys operating as a club.

  13. McCawber

    So if we can’t persuade you that you’re wrong we’re going to shout you down.

    There’s been a lot of stuff about bullying in the media over the last few years.

    A new concept PC bullying perhaps.

    • Deco

      I heard a term used many years ago, and it struck a funny bone.


    • coldblow

      Church bells ringing to drown out the siren voices of hatred and racial intolerance? Where? I never heard a thing. Maybe former Pres McAlese has me in mind after I wrote to the Sindo to point out that their pro-immigration opinion piece, while not technically wrong in stating that more than one in ten people living here were not born here, was less technically correct than saying that more than one in six are (OECD: 17.2%), not including illegals, and that the rate of recent immigration (46% of them arrived in the last five years) is three times the OECD average, so we can expect a lot more beneficial ‘vibrancy’.

      The media are dishonest beyond reform.

      I am reading Ed West’s Diversity Illusion which does a demolition job on said illusion. The chapter I have now reached argues that when you have diversity you need much more state control and harsh penalties to police it, measure that would have struck earlier generations of Irishmen as highly illiberal.

      Far from siren voices questioning this crazy policy there is precisely silence.

  14. Deco

    This is useful.

    It is a critique of UK public policy planning, in 2012.

    However, it is apparent many of the same flaws are relevant TODAY in public policy planning here.

    In his critique of US policy planning, he omits the issue of labour force participation rates, which make official unemployment statistics look ridiculous.

    Of particular relvance to Ireland, is the scale of TOTAL debt.

    We are NUMBER 1 on debt. Even worse than Japan !!!! [ How many of the Quangocrats on absurd salaries to produce NOTHING of value, are willing to discuss this, on the national propaganda quango ? ].

    Our public debt predicament has gotten worse since 2011. In 2011, we still had the option to walk away from the Promisory notices on the private debts of two large banks. We instead added that, to the Welfare state. The enabler will get the freedom of Dublin City. [ in what will be yet another episode of cringe ].

    In any case, everything in Ireland since has amounted to a releveraging based on a second Tech Boom.

    I am not sure how long that will last. Many social media companies are on stretched P/E ratios. Some are scenarios where there is a Price, but no earnings.

    Lastly, the Eurozone in 2017. Germany will not be able to bail out everybody else. Finland and Austria know this. France will not reform it’s statist over-reach, but will instead elect another statist (both Le Pen and Macron are statists). [ I could be wrong, but Fillon is collapsing, and even if he got elected, his credibility for reforming France is blown ]. Spain has turned it’s private sector economic performance around, but there is a plentiful supply of idiot politicians willing to wreck Spain.

    The EU is turning into a policy straightjacket for ensuring inefficiency and ineptitude. If a country is in the ECB, this gets doubled.

    We are heading for another debt crisis. This time the state system will lead us into it.

    • Deco

      Is Tech about to “tank” ?

      Is there a real financial reason why Silcon Valley does not like Trump, based on interest rate policy ?

      The disruption factor that comes from the Trump approach to getting things done, could disrupt the near Zero Interest rates policies that are effectively providing a prop to organizations (I will not use the term businesses, because many are NOT commercially viable).

      The real problem is not Trump – but the scale of debt without income, and scale of share valuation without any profit, that exists, in Silicon Valley.

      The Tech sector is a massive hot air balloon of excess, and pretence, in desperate search of sharp pin.

      Trump the disruptor is a danger because he accelerates events.

  15. Deco

    Concerning Sturgeon, and her demonstrated enthusiasm for More EU rope….. it all seems to be unravelling.

    This could change if a leftist regime takes power in Spain, but even then, there will be concerns in Belgium, which will view Scotland getting back in as a nightmare scenario, in reference to it’s own tax harvest of Flemish speakers.

    By the way Myers is correct in his assessment of NI. NI is still deeply sectarian. That sectarianism is mirrored in Scotland, but not in England or Wales.

    That is something that the quangocrats might wish to think about, in their eagerness to acquire NI for the EU Imperial project.

    For NI, the only long term solution is a Swiss style approach of local co-operation, and devolution of powers. A centralized state system like operates in the RoI is completely inappropriate.

    And, there is no way that the Republic will be able to complete conscription to enforce the wet dream of the SF party, given that SF have so much dodgy business underneath the surface.

    The political parties in Kildare Street have a mad rush to indulge themselves in yet another episode of loudmouthing their refusal to admit that there is a problem with the EU, and to counter the scepticism of the people. They might indulge it, but their people will not.

    Ireland is not solvent enough financially.

    And the various fruitcake elements that are on the rise, as shown by the composition of Dublin city Council, are a certainty that Ireland will not get it’s house in order financially.

    The worst thing that could occur, is to have a discussion that is of an incendiary nature. It will NOT make people in the Republic more loyal to the EU superstate project. The whole discussion which is yet another episode of “selling EU membership” (or should that be obedience), that is empty.

    Will young men from the standard military recruitment bracket eagerly stick their necks on the line, to add NI to the EU ? No.

    Ireland is NOT a sovereign country, but the illusion of a sovereign country. One only has to look at the availability of hard drugs on Irish streets, to see that state policy is no longer about serving the interests of the people.

    So the element that is usually willing to serve, will opt out. They will not make themselves available. There will then be a discussion about conscription. And that will result in chaos. Thanks to EU freedom of movement.

    The first to get out will be the Eastern Europeans. It is not their fight. In fact given the behaviour of the Brussels towards Eastern European countries, that will be a very dangerous situation. Any resident Italians and Spaniards will get out, shortly afterwards.

    And after that, many Irish would-be conscripts will simply “go missing”. Nobody will fight for Irish politicians, apart from a hard core of gullible idiots, and insiders.

    SF want another war – a war to create their Republican Socialist hellohole.

    Eh….. No, thanks. It will all collapse. It will be the end of SF. SF will not mind poisoning relations in the island. They did it for years, and their reward was a vice-grip like hold on the nationalist vote.

    • Deco

      Actually, the entire discussion about NI joining the RoI has knock on effects, with regard to Scotland. An effect that will degrade the relationship between Ireland and Scotland, and bring up subjects about which both countries have been very superficial for a very long time indeed.

      It would be better to apply common sense, and not make any absurd declarations, out of the need to defend the credibility of the EU.

      100 years ago (part of) Ulster wanted to make the entire island remain in an imperial racket, that the rest wanted to exit.

      Now, the establishment in Dublin is talking about making that part of Ulster part of imperial racket, that many both in NI, and across the rest of the island are viewing as problematic and overruling.

      The irony is sublime. Whatever would George Orwell, have made of it.

      We have given up on self-determination, and our establishment is now advertising submission to imperial dictats, as if it were the fulfillment of the search for freedom.

    • Grzegorz Kolodziej

      A few very rushed remarks re conscription.

      1. I don’t quite believe that the European army will ever come into being. Some small dispatch or peace-keeping forces for the show maybe, like within NATO or UNESCO, but not the actual army.

      2. One should look through the surface of things rather than newspaper headlines and then we will see that the EU army project is in fact the Waffen-SS project.
      What, why, what does he mean by that, some may say. Why, just look at the history of Waffen-SS: it became the army recruitment tool for the whole Europe – in fact the only occupied country where the Germans never managed to form any Waffen-SS, despite repeated attempts (last after 1944 Warsaw Uprising) and having the best underground in Europe, was Poland – i.e. there was even a Russian Waffen SS )29th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS RONA), and the Ukrainian SS was the most cruel in Europe (Dutch Waffen SS for a change “educated” Dr Mengele).

      On the same lines, the EU army project is to be really a RECRUITMENT project for THE BUNDESWEHR. Since the response from countries with strong army traditions like Poland or Hungary or Greece has been lackadaisical to say the least, they (Germany) now allowed the non-nationals to join Bundeswehr (with a particular emphasis on the refugees).

      German plan for the last 70 years in short: a. Get rid of the US army in Europe. b. Get rid of all armies in Europe except for British and French. c. Take over the French army with its nuclear weapons.

      3. Re conscription: from a point of view of someone with strong family military traditions and a believer in strong armed forces, I do not believe that conscription is necessary (unless there was a war, of course) for Ireland (or even for Poland).

      All that is necessary is to allow people with no criminal record to own guns (which would dramatically reduce gun crime in Ireland, as gun homicides SHOOT UP after Ireland had banned guns). THAT is a Swiss model, Deco. Why do you think Hitler had not invaded Switzerland or Sweden – because they were neutral, or because pretty much everyone in Switzerland has a machine gun and Irish-population Sweden mobilised an army of one million people in WWII?

      In Poland, conscription was done away with, yet the numbers of volunteers to undergo a short training increased (a curse of conscription was that you had to go the army for 2 years – 3 if in the Navy). In fact I know of people in England who with their own money, hired an abandoned factory from a private owner and turned it into a small mock-up city, to train city fights with guns – besieged cities being a constant theme in thousand years of Poland – here Ireland has a BIG advantage over eastern Europe by a) being an island and b) having the most peripheral location in Europe (one has to be really bored to invade Ireland – the best proof is that it has really only happened once in the last Millennium).

      4. The move towards the all-European Bundeswehr (will the commands in the EU army be given in Polish or Irish?) has to be looked at COMBINED with the recent move by the EU Commission to outlaw guns completely (meaning: only Jihadists and drug dealers will have it).

      5. A food for thought: does anyone here seriously thinks that the German or French will share their technology with other countries within the EU army?

  16. coldblow

    I came across Cuala ten years ago when my son was playing in a tournament there and I couldn’t believe it, the size of the place and the number of children. And I couldn’t belive it was in this part of Ireland that must be the closest thing on the island to England.

    It was a shame that these upwardly mobile country people who came to Dublin dropped their traditional values and adopted the mad ideas that now pass for conventional wisdom. Of course D4 has long been a mental or spiritual concept rather than a geographical area so they probably didn’t have any real values to bring with them. Just look at Deco’s list above of those who came out of the west: Higgins, Harney and Gilmore for example (we will never forget Gilmore, his missus and the bit of land sold to the Dept of Education). He forgot Noddy, out of Mayo, and the ex-teacher who lectured the President of the US about values.

    I am reading Tadhg Mac Dhonnagáin’s book about Raifteirí, the blind poet (An Fídoír Focal). I was telling my son about him, how he came out of Kiltimagh and died in a barn in Craughwell. He would have been 19 when the French landed at Killala. Mac Dhonnagáin estimates that 30,000 died in the aftermath (Mayomen mainly, I suppose). Interestingly he mentioned this critical event only once in his poetry. There was a big silence after the Famine, but Raifteirí died shortly before it. My8 great-grandfather was born three or four years after it. Marcus Callinane’s ‘sciolladh’ of Raiftéirí is as vicious a piece as you would ever hear. It wouldn’t go down well with the equality thought police nowadays.

    And who is Kiltimagh famous for now? Louis Walsh.

    • Deco

      Noddy did not come from a small farm, but from privelege in a location where few ha either wealth or privelege. She was a class above the rest. She could have been a doctor.

      The Gilmores are career socialists. And they did very well out of it. The Irish Timese covered the “site saga” with an article saying that it was “the wife’s business”. My jaw dropped.

      Another reason not to purchase the aforementioned comic. It insults our intelligence continually.

  17. mcsean2163

    The old generation used to wear their Sunday best and try and fit in with the rugger buggers. The newer generation doesn’t care and Irish sports are more fashionable as a result.

    Rugby is for toffs, GAA is for everyone. Whether it’s true or not that is the perception and not many want to be seen as a toff.

    • Deco

      Rugby is actually extremely dangerous. A few years back, I was sitting across from a well meaning lad from Rathfarnham, who spent one hour each afternoon trying to help in the organization of a special event for a paralyzed rugby player.

      After each call he would say, “and we have to keep this hush-hush, yu know – for the good of the game”.

      What about for the good of the players, playing this stupid “collision sport” ?

      I consider Gaelic Football to also be dangerous, given the level of malice that aften goes on.

      It is fine for kids until they are 12. But afterwards, the whole thing becomes very dangerous. I stopped playing at 12.

      • I am with you Deco re the rugby. At my school out of fifty boys playing…. One year 6 broken legs. another year 7 broken noses. how many bad backs were developed is unknown,
        Soccer , a gentlemans game played by hooligans.
        Rugby, a hooligans game played by gentlemen.

        Boxing is far safer. It is medically observed and regulated. There is a physical exam required at the beginning of each season. All contestants , before a fight, are medically examined and there is a doctor in attendance at the ring side.

        Boxing develops discipline and the ability to think coolly under pressure, and excellence in physical exercise and conditioning. 99% of the boxers I met were gentlemen in demeanor. In my 87 contests I was only once injured to any degree but in rugby fractured a wrist bone and felt my back under stress several time ans was subject to willful attempts to injure from other players. Not a gentleman’s sport. I was injured more riding horses cross country by coming off at a good speed. Many a person has not returned home from a day with the hounds. Some people get run down on the side of the road by a passing car.
        Life is a risky business!!

        • Deco

          Life is a risky business, indeed.

          Boxers are working class kids who play by the rules.

          Rugby is full of superficial arseholes who are pretending to be gentlemen, but who are often ruthless arseholes, who will lie and cheat for money and preservation of status.

          Gaelic Football, also contains a reduced percentage of the same mindset.

          Avoid rugby, and Gaelic football. Both are loaded up with thugs.

  18. Pie Squared

    Glad hurling moved to Dublin.
    Hasn’t everything?
    Time for the rest of Ireland to turn out the lights?

    Dublin is a city state and in the league of city states it ranks 15th in the world!

    We desperately need radical interventions to restore/revitalise/reinvigorate the Ireland that is not Dublin…

    Cork, Galway, Limerick and Waterford having comparable demographics to Dublin?
    And rudimentary regional planning?
    And logical urban planning?
    And connected public transport?

    Oh the places we’d go?

  19. Margaret

    What kind of Government closes rural post offices/ Garda stations/ and annihilates rural Ireland ? Dublin is not Ireland. The Western seaboard has everything and is given nothing, compared to Dublin. Why can’t our young people stay on the land, if they want. There must be massive investment in Galway, Mayo, Sligo, Kerry etc. no lights out. The cost of living for our young teachers/ nurses/ Gardai in Dublin is way too high. None of us had to save 60k or it’s equivalent to buy a house somewhere in Dublin. I’m sick of all the Dublin “progress” and the (true) tales of older rural people living a life of misery, loneliness, fear and isolation while their children are in Oz or Dubai.

    • A very important point .

      Needless to say it is a part of the agenda in the ‘all things that create taxes and credits in a witches cauldron’…. The Witches of The Banners’ .

      It will come about with a new tax incentive to attract the ageing urbanites to the fresh air of the West in rural areas and to spend their crock of gold ( gold plated pensions ) in the local grocery shop and with this there is a new idea being tossed about the choice of ‘the building ambience’ in small towns and villages to give better relief ( vat and it) to maintain the old norms we once knew them and to eliminate those stereo type telephone repair shops and vapper shops etc and bring back the local butcher , clothes shop. vegitable shop etc .

      All of this exercise will cost the state nothing and will open up homes in places like Dublin to be made available to the ‘working community’.

      • In ancient times Homo Sapiens moved where the food was to be available or when they were kicked out .Nothing has changed .

        One thing is clear is that in event of a foreign invasion Dalkey is the easiest place to land by the enemy and dig down in the local shacks for shelter. Also it is in the most dangerous location in the event of a Nuclear Explosion across the water.

        It is an incentive to mae old people want to leave too.

    • Deco

      A government that needs a massive impressive Potemkim Village near Dublin airport, to impress that ultimate aristocracy (who deserve a relentless show of grovelling) known as “Foreign Investors”.

      If the state is continually living beyond it’s means it will ALWAYS need some for of credit to sustain that nonsense.

      This is Greece without either the self-respect or the sunbshine, and with far more debt than Greece.

  20. McCawber

    Cuala have been around a long time.
    As a kid “U12″ I played against their football team and they were pretty useful even then – that’s more than 50 years ago – early 60s.
    Mind you a lot dubs my age (I’m not a dub btw) has at least one parent or grandparent who was from the country.
    Tallaght was a country village back then, Clondalkin too.
    Sorry for the ramble.

  21. Talking of success and what sports can teach.

    “I’ve missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I’ve lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I’ve been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I’ve failed over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.” … Michael Jordan

  22. While we are all talking about the latest sports results and sipping on a bowl of soup the economy is headed down the toilet. The great recession is morphed into the false recovery, (remember the green shoots years back) the greatest depression is uncoiling.

    Take care, be prepared.

  23. What is the reason why Brian O’ Driscoll says that we cannot be as good as the All Blacks unless we give up the GAA ?

    • Because he’s a total knob head.

      • Two weeks ago I received a long handwritten letter from Joe Schmidt coach of Irish Rugby Team . He wrote about his passion for the Haka . He explained that there are various kinds and how he has his own favourite and they all have different names.He went into various details to explain what they all mean and how he has great memories of them.

        He was responding to the idea I revealed of the ancient origin of the name and that it was the same body of language of homo sapiens from Africa that formed the original Gaelic on the Isles of Britain and Ireland.

        Would it not be better to adopt the Gaelic version of the Haka and use it in both sports .

    • Deco

      The last thing this country needs to aspire towards, is being first rate at following a plastic lump around a field, to the point of attaining very serious injury, and in some cases paralysis.

      Ever seen the film “Concussion” ?

      I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THE FILM CONCUSSION, concerning Rugby’s American cousin.

      Rugby is for idiots !!!!

      It is a sacred cow, and it deserves to be absolutely pummelled.

  24. Truthist

    Ta Martin mcGuinness os Cuige “Setanta –> Cuchulain” [ an iománaí don sliotar is mó ach amháin Christy Ring ] tar éis bháis inniu ;

    Le sin, feach ar seo os innue foilsithe direach tar eis chluaiseant bas Martin McGuinness.
    Bionn Aanirfan maith go leor mar gheall an tUaisceart.
    Da bhri sin, is ceart go léireoidh againn ar an airteagal seo.


    1. Founder Of Several Secret Societies

    David Rockefeller was a huge part of virtually every secret society of ultra rich on the planet. He was not just a member of the Council Of Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, and the Bilderberg Group – he was reportedly the founder. Through these secret societies and others like the occult Bohemian Grove club, Rockefeller conspired to control the media and governments around the world to establish his goal towards a one world government, even once thanking the media for it’s complicity.

    2. Population control

    Stabilizing the population’ – as Rockefeller called it – actually meant sterilization, vaccinations, encouraging abortions, using food as a weapon, and viewing disease and war as a means of “correction” to stop population growth.

    3. Rockefeller Foundation was behind unethical experiments on the population

    Following up from Rockefeller’s own speech, we have the fact that the Rockefeller Institute was allegedly behind unethical experiments on the population. A few include infecting Guatemalans with STDs, sponsoring a plot by Dr. Cornelius P. Rhoads to infect Puerto Ricans with cancer, an allegation which Rhoads strongly denied and dismissed as a joke.

    4. globalist Connections

    “Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure—one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”

    5. Worldwide Influence

    A major study from the Global Policy Forum linked the Rockefeller Foundation as using their money and power to control health and agricultural policies around the globe.

  26. Truthist


    Garda ==> Garda-Landlords / Landlord-Gardai

    Ultimately, the purpose of the Garda force is to protect / guard the Elite in Irish State ;
    The chief cultural sport that the Elite play is Rugby.

    Of course, in recent decades the Garda force have manipulated themselves into being members of the Elite.

    The sport / combat that the Garda-Landlords / Landlord-Gardai in the main play / assail is Gaelic FOOTBALL.[ or "Gaah" Football ].

    This fact explains much of the thuggery common to Gaelic Football / Gaah Football.

    It is best to boycott Gaelic Football / Gaah Football if one wishes to boycott the Garda Athletic Association.

  27. Truthist

    Henry Makow’s website

    March 16, 2017

    Canada-EU “Trade Deal” Contains a Gift for the Rothschilds

    Ostensibly a trade deal, Bill C-30 will forever prevents the Bank of Canada from creating debt free currency.

    Dear Senators,

    I suspect by now you have received emails and letters about the many problems that are an inherent part of Bill C-30 for the implementation of the CETA agreement between Canada and Europe. To say there are problems with the agreement are an understatement but I would like to focus on just one aspect of the agreement and it relates to the Bank of Canada.

    If I may I would like to give you just a very brief history of The Bank of Canada which was created in the 1930′s. The primary purpose of the Bank of Canada was to create money for the various levels of government in Canada during a very difficult time for our country. We were in middle of the Great Depression and we were soon to be involved in World War II in Europe. The Bank of Canada was given the power to create money for Canada in the form of low interest loans to the various levels of government in Canada.

    The move was a huge success. It paid for the War, got us out of the Depression and paid for a great deal of infrastructure such as the Dew Line, the Trans-Canada Highway, and allowed us to create a health care system that was the envy of the world. It achieved all this with no more inflation than was taking place in the rest of the OECD countries. When the money was paid back to the Bank of Canada it was actually being paid back to WE THE PEOPLE OF CANADA because we own The Bank of Canada.

    The Bank of Canada continued to be used up until 1974 when for some reason Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau discontinued the ability of the Bank of Canada to make those low interest loans to the governments of Canada. From that point on the governments of Canada were forced to borrow their money on the open market. The result has been that since 1974 our country has had to pay over $1.8 trillion dollars in extra interest on the debt that never should have been accumulated. I’m sure you would agree that this decision has contributed in a major way to the huge debt that now hangs over the Canadian people.

    Up until now, the Bank of Canada has always had the power to to make those low interest loans to the governments of Canada but has never used it. Politicians have always maintained that to do so would be inflationary. That of course has never been true. There is absolutely no evidence of that at all.

    Now to the present day. Finance Minister Morneau and Prime Minister Trudeau for some inexplicable reason have included a clause in the CETA agreement that would forever eliminate the ability of The Bank of Canada to create low interest loans for the governments of Canada. One could be forgiven for asking why a clause on banking and money creation would be included in a trade agreement not to mention a clause that will have a catastrophic impact on Canada and Canadians. I would suggest to you that such a decision could not come at a worse time when the world finds itself in an increasingly perilous financial situation. The Bank of Canada could have helped our country get through difficult financial times just like it did when it got us out of the Great Depression.

    Senator, I would urge you to take a very hard look at Bill C-30 and think seriously of its implications for the future of our country.

    Rick Tufts

  28. Truthist

    I trust that “Cast Iron Guarantees from France” Me-hole Martin is all for this declaration.

    Highlight all of Url > Right-Click > Select “Go to … [ Url ]

    But, Reuters is always a very suspect source.
    The being of The Dreadful Few, of course.


      (Courtesy of truthist)

      Polish see the EU as an autocratic bully, and they are correct.

      “”The Rome document must include statements on unity rather than a multi-speed Europe, stress that defense issues will be decided in cooperation with NATO, highlight the reinforcement of the roles of national parliaments and emphasize that the EU’s social agenda can’t weigh on common market and competition rules, Prime Minister Beata Szydlo said.

      “If these four priorities aren’t included, we won’t accept it,” Szydlo told TVN24 television Thursday. “It may not be signed at all if there’s no consensus among us.””

      • Grzegorz Kolodziej

        Re all.

        1. Regarding re-election of the Machiavellian Donald Tusk.

        When it comes to re-election of Herr Donald Tusk, the main beef that PiS government has with the EU Commission is – I will quote from an interview Minister for Foreign Affairs gave for La Repubblica – that:

        “the Polish government’s candidate Jacek Saryusz-Wolski was barred from setting out his programme at the Brussels summit. [...] only Donald Tusk was given a chance to do so, based on the rule of qualified majority.” [...] “Two standards, two procedures with respect to two candidates during the same summit. The voting procedure was distorted; the current presidency only asked who was against, without asking who was in favour or who abstained. This was a procedural violation,”

        In Minister Waszczykowski’s words, “it’s like changing the rules of the game during a football match.”

        2. When it comes to the man himself, sadly very little true information ends up in the Irish media (even British media’s reports on Poland are less distorted, because they sometimes carry out inteviews with politicians like Kaczynski directly).

        For example, I was sad to find out that The Irish Examiner now has a fixed correspondent in Poland, one Slawomir Sierakowski.

        Few words of Mr Sierakowski (a very intelligent young man, but because of that, more dangerous):

        a) Son of the 80s communist minister for education
        b) In his own admission, over 90% of funding of his Institute for Advanced Study in Warsaw comes from abroad (mainly German Foundations and Soros)
        c) In 2011, he invited thugs from German Antifa in balaclavas to disrupt the first Independence Day march with their baseball caps, knives and knuckle-dusters. The police, then run by a man on Germany’s payroll, turned a blind eye to them. They attacked historic reconstruction groups and 80 year old Home Army veterans from Warsaw Uprising: this was a well-thought provocation.

        When enraged football fans started to kick the asses of Antifa, they escaped and found refuge on premises of the Trotskyite “Krytyka Polityczna”, while at the same time Minister Sienkiewicz ordered his people to set a booth in the Russian embassy on fire.

        TV stations all over the world showed videos that day showed riots in Warsaw under titles like “rising fascism in Poland”, “far-right riots in Warsaw”, etc.

        So as of today people of Ireland get most of their information on what is really going on in Poland from two people: Mr Slawomir Sierakowski in “The Irish Examiner” and Mr Derek Scally writing from Berlin for “The Irish Times”. Btw, how did the Examiner get in touch with him? Were they looking for someone on the extreme left or did he offered himself? Or – this would be the worst scenarion – Soros approached the otherwise quite respected by me Examiner with his million and said: “here is a nice young man from Poland who believes in Frankfurt School. He will now be writing a column for the Irish to imbue them with the image of Poland run by savage men on horses wrestling with bears in snow naked in their resttime, and I am not asking”.

        If they have someone so extreme left to write for them, and on a regular basis too, would it not be fair to have someone on the right to counterbalance it? The Examiner portrays Mr Sierakowski as some unbiased political scientists, but nothing can be further from the truth: Mr Sierakowski is as unbiased on Mr Kaczynski as Mr Higgins is on Castro (notice I dropped Mr for Casto – no Misters for people I did not respect), and possibly even more.

        Needless to say “The Irish Examiner” decided against allowing my o n l i n e comment (what harm was it to them?) to Mr Sierakowski’s article (“‘Paranoid plot’ against European Council president Donald Tusk”).

        I am thus disappointed in the Examiner, and my suspicion that Cork people might not all be as jovial, avuncular, lacking duplicity and simple in a noble sense as they portray themselves is now strenghtened: in the Examiner, they have this very no-nonsense, anti-Dublin “self-serving” style paper, but then they employ someone like Trotsky. Or maybe Cork elites are too naive to see through Mr Sierakowski that their voice from Poland is Trotsky reincarnated? Or heaven forfend, maybe they think that this – Trotskyism – is something positive (I thought that nothing in Europe is more Marxist than Dublin Marxists)?

        In his pro-Tusk manipulative article (e v e n Herr Derek Scally’s accounts of PiS in the Anti-Irish Times are less distorted than Sierakowski – and THAT says a lot!), Mr Sierakowski writes:

        “Offering no evidence whatsoever, Kaczynksi (can the Examiner not spell correctly EVEN ONE simple name of a man listed by Politico as the fourth most influential in Europe? – it’s Kaczynski – G.K.) accuses Tusk of breaching “the principle of neutrality by openly supporting the opposition, which calls itself absolute and seeks to overthrow the government through extra-parliamentary means.”

        This was my comment to the article they disallowed:

        “Mr Sierakowski writes: ‘With all EU members except Poland supporting Tusk, denying him a second term would require an extraordinary justification. The PiS has not provided one.’

        They provided more than one: it was during the ruling years of the Civic Platform (PO) led by Donald Tusk that the generally accepted democratic standards were frequently violated. Here are some examples of what transpired in clear breach of democratic norms during the Donald Tusk years:

        - Independent journalists were repeatedly harassed and had their homes searched by the security agencies. In May 2011, during a pre-dawn raid, the agents of the Internal Security Agency entered the private residential apartment of an Internet user who made a joke about President Bronis?aw Komorowski.

        - A renowned investigative journalist Cezary Gmyz was dismissed from the editorial staff of “Rzeczpospolita” (a daily paper partially owned by the state) for publishing information indicating that there were traces of TNT found on the wreck of the plane that crashed in Smolensk. This information was later confirmed by the prosecutors leading the investigation.

        - In June 2014, agents of the Internal Security Agency raided the headquarters of the news weekly “Wprost” after the magazine published the transcripts of recorded conversations held by some of the highest level PO politicians in Warsaw’s most exclusive restaurants. It followed from these conversation that – among many others things – Tusk’s Minister of the Interior, Bartlomiej Sienkiewicz, ordered his secret agents to set a booth in the Russian embassy in Warsaw on fire so that Mr Tusk could blame the nationalist movement for it.

        - In December 2014, two journalists (Tomasz Gzela of the Polish Press Agency and Jan Pawlicki of “Telewizja Republika”) were arrested. They were covering the protest held at the headquarters of the National Electoral Commission after the local elections, rigged by Donald Tusk. To this very day the results of these last local elections remain firmly in doubt in the minds of most Poles on the ground. The shining example of this pertains to PSL having received well more votes than expected (by a factor of 10) in a region (Gdynia) where they have had little historical support yet after a week of silence from the Commission managed to gain just enough votes in aggregate to enable them to remain the junior governing partner and preserve PO’s ruling coalition. In addition there remain almost two thousand formal protests lodged in local courts still without disposition.

        - During the last eight years the previous government kept journalists and citizens under surveillance as a routine practice. In 2014, the secret service applied to access 2,177,000 telephone bills. This is a Europe-leading level of prying into ordinary citizens’ every-day lives. Not only was the government approaching mobile providers about phone records but also IP addresses, citizen search histories and habits, and sensitive personal information likely well beyond the scope of any legal authorization.

        “Mr Sierakowski’s is the founder of the Krytyka Polityczna movement and a director of the Institute fo‘Paranoid plot’ against European Council president Donald Tuskr Advanced Study in Warsaw. They are all paid by – in Sierakowski’s own words – foreign foundations, mainly German and by George Soros. In his recent article for the Examiner, Mr Sierakowski resorted to a lie that “Tusk, who has defeated the PiS in eight consecutive elections in his career” – Mr Tusk defeated PiS in two non-consecutive, not eight consecutive national elections – against Mr Kaczynski defeating Mr Tusk in two non-consecutive elections.”

        3. I personally think that the whole thing with Donald Tusk was badly prepared by PiS. Not that they should have voted for him, but that they should have prepared better – they should have coordinated that with Donald Trump and the UK before, not after the voting. As a result, Poland was left isolated and humiliated in the EU – all 27 countries voted for Donald Tusk as the President of Europe – a man not supported by his own country. What happened instead was that Jaroslaw Kaczynski met with Theresa May, but after the voting – and in an event completely unnoticed in Ireland, Donald Trump sent two of his people to Poland (Ralph Reed and Kenneth Blackwell) to meet with the director of the biggest Catholic TV and radio station in Poland (with an audience of a few million people) which played a key balancing role in PiS election.

        As far as I know, the only European paper who noticed it was Die Welt, who wrote that now Poland will seek revenge for its humiliation (it was not only 27:1 voting, it was also breaking the EU own proceedures during Mr Tusk’s reelection).

        One of the outcomes of that meeting was the exceptionally cold reception Ms Merkel was met with in the US (Mr Trump refused to shake his hand with her).

        4. When it comes to the future of PiS government, I think I am turning into a pessimist now. I mean, it has the overwhelming public support (Mr Tusk’s party pulls only half of PiS’s support in opinion polls), but I think that sooner rather than later (maybe even this year) Angela will organise coup in Poland, like the one on 4 June 1992. The first drill took place already on 16 December: KOD demonstrations peppered with foreign media, combined with the loss of signal of the national TV (only German-owned stations signals could have been received that day) plus closing of the air traffic that day, to which I linked a radar map around that time. Notably, Mr Tusk, for whome the arrest warrant will soon be issued in Poland (maybe it even was, I did not have time to follow it), arrived in Poland that day and held a speech in Wroclaw. When the Parliament obstruction (Tusk and KOD tried to prevent PiS from passing the budget bill, which would have occasioned the fall of the government) fell through, Mr Tusk returned to Brussels.

        Now – does PiS want to “lower trust in the bloc after the Tusk fiasco”? Poland does not want to lower trust in the EU as there is no trust in the EU – this is like saying that David McWilliams wanted to lower trust in Anglo-Irish: for the trust to be lowered, it would have had to exist – but it didn’t, so he wasn’t.

        Perhaps a better formulation would be to say that Poland wants to rebuild trust in Europe, but not by advocating other countries to trust the EU, but rather by EU “thinning down” to a more workable EC formula. And the key to achieving this is to CHANGE THE CURRENT “DEAL” IN THE EU WHEREBY ONE COUNTRY – GERMANY (AND GERMANY’S ‘YER HOOR FOR SURE’ FRANCE) DICTATES ALL OTHER COUNTRIES, PARTICULARLY THOSE OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE FORMER EMPIRE OF THE CAROLINGIANS.

        That Poland’s PiS “has long touted with scepticism about the EU exerting too much power over member states. The party also pledged to obstruct EU policy initiatives” is dead right though – es ist ganz richting.

        If all the EU initiatives of 2016 were Germany’s initiatives aiming at creating the EU superstate with the hard core of 6 ex-Carolingians, then f..k this – it’s better to obstruct them. After all, des Teufels liebstes Möbelstück ist die lange Bank says the German proverb, which is hard to translate from German into English – I mean you can literally, but it would make absolutely no sense (not all proverbs have counterparts in other languages; for example I am not sure if there is an English proverb for Polish “zlego diabli nie wezma”, the meaning of which is that you are already evil you won’t be taken by the devil (because your soul is already worthless).

        This was not something I wanted to end my comment. What new and optimistic can be said about anything? Perhapst this: scientist at Trinity College Dublin have discovered that a biological molecule (STAT3 – what a name: I thought that the Irish are dreamy and poetic by nature) important in cell growth is also critical in protecting us against infection.

        Dr Stevenson from TCD says: Dr Stevenson.

        “This discovery opens the door to new therapeutic options, which, we hope, will be able to help people restore their natural immunity against a host of problematic viruses.”

        They think this might make people immune to Ebola.

        • Truthist


          I have to rush having just read as far down as to ur comments about Cork people & the “Cork” but now “The Irish” Examiner newspaper.

          Please know this ;

          Independent Newspapers group [ publications incl. Irish Independent, & Sunday Independent ], & also Crosbie family newspaper publications, specifically The Irish Examiner & Evening Echo, are “Blue Shirt” stables.

          Most corruption emanates from Cork ;
          As much as the many of Corkonians are the most generous people with their money — vis. the poor & the lower middle class — of all the regions in Ireland, there is a long tradition of “pulling strokes” rogues from Cork City & Cork County.

          1st known person to import H into Ireland for distribution is from Cork.

          By the way, Kerry folk have their match in “cuteness” with the folks from West Cork.
          West Cork is thought to probably start from Bandon & head westwards from there.
          Kerry folk for all their charm would be a touch mean with money.
          They love money.
          West Cork would be less mean ;
          Some can be generous.
          But, not as generous as Cork City.
          In fact, for professional beggars, Cork & Alicante are the most famous places for them to score in Europe.

          Furthermore, West Cork folk would be more able folk in business than Kerry folk.
          Kerry “cuteness” gets to be a pain in the arse.
          They should drop that crap.

          By the way, a great many of senior civil servants emanate from Kerry.
          As much as Kerry folk like to think that they are the essence of Ireland, these Civil SERPENTS sure f..k its citizens around ;
          “Kerry stone-walling” u could say.

          Many Garda-Landlords / Landlord-Gardai — especially those in detective branches [ "beat the suspect to a pulp" Ref. e.g. Fairbrother incident ] traditionally come from West Cork & Kerry.

          Waterford is considered to be stingy about money.

          Limerick is known to have probably the best looking women in Ireland.

          Tipperary folk I am told are not noted for being mean ;
          But, I am not enough knowledgeable to confirm that to be fact.

          Returning to Cork ;

          Very possible that the eventual choice of Toiseach is between 2 Cork men :
          And, “2 good family men to boost” ;
          Me-hole Martin & Simon — Silver Spoons — Coveney.

          Also, intriguingly, “Blue-Shirt” Irish Examiner effectively promoted the rise of Mick Barry from Dublin to be TD for “Trotskyite” Socialist Party.

          • Truthist

   results for search terms ;

            Mick Barry Socialist Party Cork


            And, here is The Dreadful Few’s “” article about Mick Barry ;
            Seems biased in his favor.


          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            “Limerick is known to have probably the best looking women in Ireland.”

            I once shared with a girl from Limerick working for BOI and she was indeed very alluring as you say, but then again most women in Ireland are (generally women in Ireland can be divided into two groups – very fine looking and a small group of sea-monsters, with seemingly nothing in between except for Leo Varadkar The Smooth).

            I have also noticed that lots of girls from around Galway basically look Spanish (obviously I am not talking about Spanish girls), with distintinctively darker skin complection and a hair more black than 145 at 8am.

            When it comes to regions of Ireland and their characteristics, I was once quite taken by a quite simple and unassuming documentary called “The wild beauty and sounds of Tory island” I once saw on TG4.

            I could not quite understand why, but it made a huge impression on me, although one could argue there was nothing in it apart from the sea, barren land, some rather poor looking houses and people singing, the images from it have stayed with me for all those years.

            Then I realised that it reminded me of my childhood when we used to go to a countryside to visit our family, and in one of the houses they did not really watch television apart from international football matches, news once a day, and a program called “Farmers quarter” which if I remember was aired on Sundays between 12 and 1, so after everyone was back from church (the main mass was always at 11.15 am).

            In that no-TV countryside house, people would meet up and tell stories or play cards or chess (a peculiar feature of Polish 1970/80s countryside was that almost every male played chess or poker, and those to dim for that would spend all weekend repairing their motorbike – when males played poker, they played for money and it would sometimes end up in a fistfight, whereupon their names would be disgraced on the next mass and willy-nilly, they would reconcile until the next poker game); interestingly, simple people in deep province were much better at chess than those from towns, unless the town people were attending chess clubs – I guess this is maybe because people from towns had much less time, because they had to queue up for food every day, plus there was nothing to do in the village in winter.

            When they got drunk, they would start to sing and they would often play accordion (they could not dance as beautifully as those people on Tory island, or even 1/10 as beautifully; they could not sing as beautifully either).

            With TV hardly used much in some house, snow 30cm deep from November till March (that of course have changed and basically Poland has weather that does not differ much from the Irish apart from Sahara-like June-July-August and the fact that what people in Ireland would call a December breeze with some patchy rain would be considered a hurricane in Poland), the community spirit was much stronger, and I found a similar community spirit in that documentary on singing in dancing in Tory island (even the instrument is the same: accordion; btw, going south to probably my favourite region of Ireland, Donegal, traditional music of Donegal has strong influences of Polish traditional music – the so called Donegal Mazurkas; I am talking about influences going back more than 150 years, so older than GAA and the Irish dance in the form that we know them today).

            I have never been to Tory island, neither I have ever met anyone who went there (maybe I should have asked Germans rather than the Irish); I am not even sure how one would go about going there, as going to the US seems to be but a trite compared to getting to Tory island. It would be sad if it turned out that Tory island does not actually exist and the documentary was a hoax (I wonder if there is any reader of this blog in Tory island?), but if one would go by what was shown in documentary (I do realise that the interviews were made some time ago), then Tory island seem to be much closer culturally to 1970/80s Polish countryside than to the east of Ireland (except for DNA, language and the fact that they dance instead of playing chess and poker, which is probably healthier both physically and mentally).

            The image from the documentary that has stayed with me the most were 3 teenage girls, aged maybe 12, maybe 14, who were singing some Tory song in unison, very heartfelt and dignified at the same time. I distinctively remember their faces and how much serious they appeared to be at that tender age than their counterparts from Dundrum shopping centre; from that seriousness, an incredible harmony of their singing came about.

            I thought how wonderful that in the information noise of Hannah Montana and Harry Potter, they have grown to like something much more profound and what is of their own. Perhaps one needs a certain isolation to appreciate the beauty of simple things; though I also remember that they said that Tory island people have the biggest variety of musical forms in their songs and would do turns in circles Irish from other parts cannot). I also remember that would sing and play accordion while waiting for the post to arrive.

            I hope that Tory island will not depopulate in the future, like Skellings and Blasket islands did; and in fact like lots of Polish village do.

            The fin de siècle Polish poet Adam Asnyk wrote this poem that kids learn in school called “Pointless your mourning”:

            “Pointless your mourning and your toil
            Helpless your curses dire
            Past forms no miracle can bring
            Back from funereal pyre.

            The world will not release its grip
            On fleeting ghosts of yore
            Fire or sword will not bring back
            What’s lost forevermore.

            One must go forward with the living
            Reach for new life, instead
            Of placing a bunch of wasted laurels
            Stubbornly on one’s head.

            You shall not turn the tide of life!
            Your anger keep at bay
            Pointless your mourning and your toil
            The world shall go its way.”

            But if Tory island from that documentary still exists, then he was wrong – frozen in time, the reality portrayed in the documentary seems to miraculously bring back past pre-industrial revolution forms.

        • coldblow


          Where does your online comment to the Examiner end? They might have thought it was libellous and didn’t have the time (or didn’t want to use the time they did have) checking it out.

          I have only read the paper a couple of times but I thought it was at least as pc as the Iris Times, which itself is probably the equivalent of the Guardian in England. Remember the Guardian’s reporting of the election of the new Polish govt last year (I think it was last year, maybe a bit earlier)?

          It is all fake news really because they make no attempt to be objective and so they select their reporters and their facts to fit their own fantastic ideology.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            My comment ended with

            “likely well beyond the scope of any legal authorization.”

            I had a rather favourable impression of The Irish Examiner thus far compared to The Irish Times (I am talking within the small Irish market).

            I liked the fact that their paper is not peppered with those property and “spend your money now” magazines.

            So I was very surprised they took someone linked to German Antifa and Soros as the voice of Poland.

            It’s not the fact that his views are so left – it’s the fact that there is no COUNTERBALANCE to his views.

            Some Polish weekly magazines would have two columns besides each other of people of contrary views commenting on the same fact.

            What also surprises me the most in the Irish media is that THERE IS NO custom in Ireland to apologise for statements published that are factually wrong. I am not talking about disputables – I am talking dates, names and numbers – like for example when Sierakowski writes that Mr Tusk defeated Mr Kaczynski in 8 consecutive elections (while he defeated him in 2 non-consecutive, and Kaczynski defeated him also in 2 non-consecutive).

            Or that photo in The Irish Times when they showed pro-government support rally in Warsaw under Mr Derek Scally’s article, organised by PiS “Gazeta Polska” – and put a title to it that these are anti-government protests.

            Or when they wrote an article (Mr Scally did, because he read it in the German newspaper) that TVP Info has censored President Obama’s speech (for the Irish Times it was a proof how far the “fascists” in Poland have gone and that they have to be stopped now), whereupon I obtained a full text of his speech from the US embassy in Warsaw and they (TVP Info) did no such thing.

            If this had happened in Poland, every newspaper – conservative, liberal, socialist, communist, green, etc would publish an apology starting with “on… we wrote. In fact… We would like to apologise… etc”.

            I have sent clarifications in all three cases and they neither published them or replied to me.

            Granted, Michnik/Soros’s “Gazeta Wyborcza” would only do it a week later and on 14 page, but often even they would do it.

            No such custom exists in Ireland, and I have still not assimilated to that media environment in which you publish something blatantly untrue and just pretend it never happened (in fact, I myself have done corrections a few times to my comments if I have found out that I got something wrong).

            I am not quite happy to limit this approach only to the problem of PC, because I think that it goes beyond left and right and it touches on something much more fundamental: there seems to some deeply rooted hypocrisy on the British Isles in a form that does not really exist in the continent.

            That is NOT TO SAY that the press on the continent is better than on the British isles – on the contrary, I think that some English papers are more transparent and daring than most continental press.


            They are kind of transparent and daring WHEN it suits them – do you know what I mean?

            For example, the French are bullshitting themselves and others that Maria Sklodowska-Curie was French (even some French academics do not know that the first woman who got the Nobel Prize, the only one who got it twice and the first woman to be burried in Panteon was Polish and actually not of a very high opinion of the French (after all, the French learned from us how to use the fork); so much so that even though she supported the French war effort with her money and time, she refused the French highest state award).

            So you would never hear that in France or see it in a French movie – but the British quite like to emphasise in their books on Maria that she was Polish and felt Polish, and received f…k all from France (except for being allowed to get in – but there was no merit of France whatsover because… she did not have to ask – there were no passports when she emigrated to France – she just boarded a train in Warsaw and no one would think of asking her why she came to France because this was not considered the state’s bloody business at the time).

            So coming to British, the Brits (English in particular) nearly always stress she was not French.


            When it comes to transparency in when it DOES NOT suit them, they would never be transparent – i.e., they pretended for decades that they cracked the Enigma (eventually they corrected Britannica on Enigma, because Prince Charles demanded it, while the French still lie Maria Curie was French) and they still pretend that their WWII intelligence was basically able to function only because of the Poles, from whose underground they were getting all information in Europe and Africa (did you know that Bogart in the famous Casablanca is actually a Pole? This was modelled on a true story, but with nationalities changed, of course).

            For example, if you take German press, you can see that a lot of what they write are plain lies; some of them incredibly filthy. Same about Israeli press (though Haaretz is very good – if you have time to read only one newspaper from any country, read Haaretz).
            Then you take the French press and you see that what they write, it actually not a lie, because basically most French intellectuals are too stupid to lie – they genuinely believe that Marx is a great economist and Derrida and Foucalt are philosophers who someone would take seriously (btw, the French contribution to 20th century mathematical logic is practically zero).

            German press is much worse than the serious English press, they lie more and bigger, and their TV political debates only vary in their views by 0.0000% (though in fairness, once a year they would invite a Pole or a Greek to debate their best which Irish or English TV never does – not because the foreigners would not be able to stand their ground, because a month ago I had a long debate with Mr Peter Hitchens on British guarantees to Poland in 1939 and frankly speaking, he really struggled (he eventuall called me “a genius of propaganda” – go to Lemmings and NATO if you are interested to read the debate).

            So German or French press lies more than Irish or British – but this is because the Irish or English press, rather than putting a spin on inconvenient topics, would ignore them completely

            So my point is: when the continental press wants to be intransparent, they lie. When the Irish (and to a lesser extent, but not much lesser, English) press wants to intransparent, they JUST SIMPLY GLOSS IT OVER.

            I mean, even if you come up with a rebuttal in the Israeli press (and I did), they would – if pushed to the wall – resort to insults or false allegations, but they would still REFER to you.

            In some Irish media, they just pretend they never published a lie and you never corrected it.

            I wonder if this will cause some international scandal some day. For example, imagine I got back to the US embassy and said “thanks guys for making available for me the full text of the US President’s speech; btw, just to let you know – “The Irish Times” had an article in which they attributed to your President words he never said – I thought you might be interested in egging on your Ashkenazis in legal offices to sue ‘The Irish Times’ for 20 million dollars, because it has had a huge impact on international relations”

            Of course, I am not ingratiated to that kind of a suing culture.

            But imagine someone was.
            What would “The Irish Times” (or “The Belfast Telegraph”, which is like 10 times worse) do then? Will the still have the luck of The Irish?

          • coldblow


            Your distinction between the British and Irish press and the continental press is interesting and quite persusasive. It seems that the Europeans have a strong element of Realpolitik in their approach which the naifs here lack.

            As I have mentioned on a few occasions the I Media programme on TV Libertés has no shortage of ‘bobards’ every week to discuss.

            I am convinced that all media in the western world, with few exceptions, live in a fantasy world not shared by many of their readers (perhaps a majority, probably a large minority). Here outright lies, half-truths and distortions are excused by the over-riding importance of the Cause. The Cause here is the politically correct agenda, the new civilizational values, whose basic premises (most notably the original sin of racism) must be accepted if one is not to be excluded from polite discourse and civilized society.

            If another set of values were dominant, not pc, then you would theoretically expect a similar degree of dishonesty. In recent years there was probably less deceit because traditional morality was still dominant in some way, even if it was losing ground steadily and the end result was clear to all – perhaps this was simply because neither side had a decisive hold and could lie whenever it felt like. However I still seriously doubt that such deceit existed when traditional values were still largely unchallenged and I think there is something specific about modern culture that breeds falsehood. This is why I myself attribute deceit to the modern ‘progressive’ or pc culture.

            The question of why the continentals will lie more blatantly and yet acknowledge their opponents compared with this part of the world is interesting. It could be because there is a stronger opposition to pc in those countries. Certainly in France it is much more organized and vocal than over here. I suspect that in Germany, where it is not allowed a voice, it is still widespread, particularly among educated people. In Britain and Ireland such dissent is stigmatized as the result of poor education or (here) brainwashing by the Church. (They are probably also considered to be ‘genetically’ more stupid and, in the frequent bouts of mass hysteria, innately evil.

            So here there is not the same requirement to tell whoppers (I have forgotten what the Gaelic word is). So it is easier to maintain the fantasy that you are a Good Person and that when you are misreporting the news you are doing it in a good cause, and not really misreporting anyway.

            This is what I think about the Sindo’s article in favour of mass immigration a few weeks ago which prompted me to write a letter (which was published, but not the follow-up one which I emailed in an hour later as an improvement in that it made it clear what I thought was happening). They obviously knew that the *legal* percentage of foreign born residents was more than 17%, which is more than one in six (and that 46% of these arrived only in the last five years, three times the recent OECD average immigration rate) yet they stated that it was ‘more than one in 10′. Michael Hennigan of FinFacts makes it one in five. So they must have been acutely aware of this before going to print and I wonder what discussions (or lack of discussions) occurred in the Sindo office.

            What is it about fantasies that allows people to lie or misrepresent the truth and yet at the same time retain their self-image as good and truthful? To what extent are these lies conscious and are they down to impaired perception (impaired by the Good Cause that is)? Certainly the deceit becomes obvious during witch hunts. Richard Webster, whose Sceptical Essays website I have mentioned many times yet only Adam (I think) ever looked at it, had a term for it: Good Cause Corruption. I am convinced it is there all the time, albeit at a slightly lower level. ‘Fake news’ is a very good description.

    • “”Poland’s ruling Law and Justice (PiS), has long touted with scepticism about the EU exerting too much power over member states. The party also pledged to obstruct EU policy initiatives and lower trust in the bloc after the Tusk fiasco.”"

  29. Meanwhile, as all minds are occupied by the rugby/GAA circuses. European finances and politics march to great changes.

    “Well, just this morning, a whopping €233 billion of such “TLTRO” loans were handed out, to 474 supposedly “solvent” European banks. This time, with a four-year term and said 0% interest rate; in a blockbuster “auction” nearly double the Street’s expectations. In other words, the European banking sector is as vulnerable now as at the height of the 2008 Crisis; as epitomized by the world’s most systematically dangerous institution,” Deutsche Bank – which this week, was forced to sell €8 billion of new stock at a 35% discount to the prevailing market price; likely, with overt Central bank guarantees to its buyers; simply to remain solvent. Not to mention, this morning’s “surprise” announcement that Credit Suisse, too, needs to raise €3 billion of massively dilutive equity, NOW.”

    “Next up, just one day after it was revealed that “unofficial” polls depict Marine LePen to be leading the French Presidential race, we learned that Italy’s anti-Euro Five Star Movement is experiencing exploding popularity in the official polls leading up to Italy’s Prime Ministerial election. Which, after last month’s collapse of the ruling Democratic Party – after its disgraced leader, Matteo Renzi, the architect of the Constitutional Reform Referendum that went up in flames four months ago, resigned – could be scheduled any day now. And I can only imagine how tense things are in Greece, which needs another €7 billion “bailout” by July; which this time around, for a variety of factors, including what may well morph into open citizenry revolt, is extremely unlikely to occur.”

  30. A weekly news wrap up you will certainly not hear from the MSM.

    It is worth 31 mins. of your time to remain informed.


    Here is something you can do something about. Doing something is empowering. Help to tell the truth about climate change and throw a spanner in the works of the one world globalist dictators.

  32. Truthist

    Further to the theory that “the G.A.A. [ Garda Athletic Association ] replaced Rugby for Middle-Class of Irish State”, it is acknowledged by the leading authoritative scholars that Holocaustianity has replaced Christianity as reverence in the Western world since the 1970′s.
    And, already for quite a while, blasphemy [ including "mocking" ] of Christ is all the fashion ;


    Pussy Riot doing so in Russia

    Sarah Silverman doing so on main-stream TV results for search terms ;
    Sarah Silverman AND Christ* results for search terms ;
    Sarah Silverman AND Christ AND youtube

    Sarah Silverman AND Christ AND youtube*

    Michael Coughlan doing so here on DMW’s blog recently.
    And, repeatedly too.

    So, what to make of this ?

    Are these perpetrators :

    “Manchurian Candidates ?
    willful & knowing “Agent Provocateurs” ?
    related to Pussy Riot ?
    a George Soros sponsored group ?
    inter alia

    Is it designed to help EU & Grand Orient Freemason Lodge to put the squeeze on Poland ?


    Naked demonstrators kill sheep under Auschwitz gates

    24 March 2017

    • michaelcoughlan

      Hi Truthist/goldbug,

      Of the many many differences in our incompatible personalities the most significant is the fact that I always tend to look on the bright side of life;

      Jesus like you it seems was just as confused as to his real identity because he was Jewish yet everyone calls him a christian?

      A priest who screws a 6 year old or a nun who treats a pregnant single girl deplorably are scum blasphemy ot not.


  33. McCawber

    TBH I’m not too worried about about the EU and Brexit.
    JC Junker has said that Brexit is already a failure.
    Anyone that out of touch with reality is in for a major surprise but will it come soon to save us.
    The EU and/or Juncker would like to stitch the brits up and he doesn’t care who gets hurt in the process.
    He’s saying, publicly, the exact opposite.
    His sort of attitude will walk Ireland into the manure – the it’ll be alright on the night, we’ll look after you nonsense (sign here please) is not to be trusted.
    And I’d be really afraid that would sleep walk right into this hocus pocus purely the politicians are the least impacted while the rest of us get handed the bill in one form or another.

    • Truthist

      Maybe Jean Claude Junker of the Grand Orient Lodge of Freemasons arranged that event outside Westminster the other day ?

      After all, Jean Claude Junker of the Grand Orient Lodge of Freemasons did phone Irish State’s Minister for Finance Michael Noonan to tell him that if Irish government “burn the bond-holders” — the oft implored advice from our host, David, as follow-up to his advice for Irish State to “sovereign” the private debt of banks in Irish State [ a.k.a. "The Guarantee for the Banks' Debts" ] — well then, Jean-Claude & friends will “b.mb Dublin”.
      Of course, they would have it that such a nasty event murdering loads of people was the work of Islamic terrorists or even The Unionists / Loyalists from North East of Ireland.
      And, of course also, the Irish authorities would play along with that official attribution as to the perpetrators ;
      Because, well, that is the way u have to endure things then.
      No way should u blame it ever as ultimately the deed of The Dreadful Few !
      For then, u would be accused of being anti-…c. 8-)

      McCawber, did u manage to go to David Rockefeller’s funeral ?

      • McCawber

        Couldn’t afford the fare and even if I could, there’s loads of better things I could use my time for.
        Eg Leinster v Cardiff rugby match today – not a great game tbh.
        The west brits haven’t gone away u know (I’m not a WB btw – most of Leinster supporters aren’t).

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