December 1, 2016

'Ireland may quit EU,' says Farage — and only a fool would dismiss him

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I love the word ‘bedlam’, meaning insane or totally out of control. It comes from the Royal St Mary Bethlehem Hospital in Bishopsgate, London. The Royal Bethlehem was an asylum dating back to the 15th century where poor creatures suffering from seizures and other afflictions were remanded to end their days roaring and screaming, packed away out of sight. Bethlehem was abbreviated to Bedlam and the word bedlam fell into common usage.

In the old days, the descent from normality to lunacy might be rapid or unpredictable, largely because our understanding of medicine and psychiatry was limited.

One person who moved from being a pillar of society to becoming an inmate of Bedlam was Augustin Pugin, architect of London’s Big Ben. I’m thinking about Pugin and Bedlam because I am walking down Albert Embankment. It’s cold, crisp and sunny in London and the turrets of the House of Commons across the river from me are twinkling in the sunlight.

The building looks beautiful. The architect who designed the British Houses of Parliament as well as Big Ben, the brilliant Mr Pugin died young and screaming.

He was a genius who also, incidentally, designed St Aidan’s Cathedral in Enniscorthy, Co Wexford. He was the most celebrated architect of his day but he died in the Royal Bethlehem lunatic asylum at the age of just 40 in 1852. It is thought that he contracted mercury poisoning, as mercury was used extensively in building work during the early Victorian period. Pugin’s legacy lives on in his architecture.

I’m in London at the Houses of Parliament to interview Nigel Farage and Alex Salmond for ‘Agenda’, which will be aired on TV3 at noon on Sunday. These two men intrigue me because they have probably done more than any other two politicians working in the UK to change the political landscape of Britain. Farage took an extreme — frankly marginal — movement, the movement for Britain to leave the EU, and he brought it centre stage and succeeded in making it a constitutional reality. Whether you agree with him or not, this is an extraordinary political achievement.

Consider this. In 1994, the multimillionaire Jimmy Goldsmith set up and funded the Referendum Party on a Brexit platform. In 1997, Goldsmith, with all his millions, stood for parliament in Putney. He stood on exactly the same platform as Farage would later do in 2016, yet Goldsmith got only 1,500 votes campaigning for the UK to leave the EU.

Politics can make for some strange associations, but who would have seen Gerry Adams as a source of inspiration for Nigel Farage? After a few pleasantries, Mr Farage volunteers the following:

“I remember the Nice Treaty which Ireland rejected, and I remember the Lisbon Treaty which Ireland rejected just over 10 years ago. And I remember Gerry Adams of Sinn Féin saying in both of those referendums, ‘we didn’t fight the British for 500 years to have Ireland governed by the EU’.

“And I thought, I’m not a Gerry Adams supporter, but actually what he’s saying is completely and utterly logical. Irish nationalism actually made some sense. They wanted Ireland to be an independent, self- governing, democratic nation.

“And Sinn Féin have completely sold out to the EU. Now, whether it’s to do with money, or what the reasoning is, I don’t know.”

He has evidently given Ireland a lot of thought and he predicts that change is on the wind:

“I don’t buy the fact that Ireland is now a pro-European country. You are the only member state of the EU that has rejected two treaties in referendums. I think Irish public opinion is now very similar to British public opinion. I suspect if there was a referendum on Ireland’s future, it would be a close-run thing.”

He is also pretty sure that Brussels has not quite done with us yet:

“I worked in Brussels for 17 years. They do not like your level of corporation tax, which is why they will move towards what they call a CCCTB [Common Consolidated Corporate Tax Base]. You will, over the next few years, lose your big competitive advantage. And when that happens, the debate in Ireland about EU membership will change.”

According to Farage, we had better brace ourselves because there is no stopping the momentum.

“As Trump goes in that direction, as the UK undoubtedly goes in that direction, of lower tax rates, Ireland is about to go for higher corporation tax rates. Not because the Government wants it, not because the Dáil wants it, not because the people want it, but because that’s what Brussels wants.”

Whether you agree with Farage or not, only a fool would dismiss him. Consider that only 19 years ago, Brexit was regarded as eccentric, off-the-wall and not particularly serious. This year, the same movement — largely driven by Farage — garnered close to 18 million votes in the referendum and, as a result, Britain is on its way out of the EU.

So how does this happen? How does an idea which is regarded as extreme and inconsequential become mainstream?

Scottish nationalism under Alex Salmond experienced a somewhat similar transformation. In 1983, the SNP had 10pc of the Scottish vote. Last year, it garnered 46pc and the Scots are on course for another referendum, which the SNP may well win. This would take Scotland out of the UK and begin the process of British disintegration. Although there are many factors driving Scottish independence, the energy and vision of Alex Salmond was and still is a huge driving force. His vision and his tireless campaigning have pulled the SNP from the margins to being by far the biggest party in Scotland.

Again, not unlike Farage, Salmond has taken a minority idea and made it mainstream.

In political science, this notion of an unusual idea becoming mainstream very quickly is called an ‘Overton window’ after Joseph Overton, an American political theorist. Overton was interested in how odd ideas move from the sidelines to the mainstream quickly. The window he referred to was what he called the “window of acceptability”. He noticed, particularly in the US, how ideas that start far outside the political mainstream, like building a wall on the Mexican border, go from being unthinkable to being thinkable.

When there is a crisis, ideas that were marginal become mainstream and ideas that were mainstream become redundant, and quickly.

So once an idea is stated boldly, talked about and digested, it can become palatable. Once it becomes palatable, it begins to encroach on acceptability and gradually moves towards the mainstream.

It then crosses over from the academic fringe into electoral discourse and very quickly ideas that were once regarded as wacky become policy platforms or at least possible policy platforms.

Typically, an economic crisis will accelerate the transition from the fringe to the centre.

In 2016, we had a number of these crossovers where the obscure became the mainstream. Trump and Brexit are two classic examples where the window of acceptability moves dramatically and political reality is turned on its head.

David McWilliams hosts ‘Agenda’ on TV3 on Sunday at noon


  1. Subscribe from lovely Tobago.

    • Mike Lucey

      No need to make us jealous Adam!

    • Mike Lucey

      Could this be reason enough to pull out of the EU and renegotiate trading terms? ‘The Real Map of Ireland’
      http://www.marine.ie/Home/site-area/irelands-marine-resource/real-map-ireland

      Of course it would take an Irish ‘Farage’ / Trump’ to get the ball rolling. There is little hope that the tweedle dee or tweedle dum parties will lead the charge. They are only interested in pay packets and pensions and possibly a cushy number in Brussels.

      ‘FF and the return of Bertie Ahern’
      http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/ff-and-the-return-of-bertie-ahern-1.2888105

      Nuff Said!

    • Margaret

      David wrote about the vibrant foliage etc. etc in a new Dublin apt block. Today’s Times prop supplement is a first. Page 1 ” a new benchmark for renting in Dublin” ” register your interest” on line and viewings start tomorrow. Line up for first viewings TO RENT.
      For the privilege of parting with 1425pm for a one bed or 1775pm for a two bed you are invited to attend a first viewing to morrow. The Government have to get real. This, I believe is extortionate. Where the hell are teachers/gardai/ nurses going to find 1775 pm to rent ? Rent caps have to be introduced. I would sooner spend the night in Mc Donald’s than part with that kind of cash for rent.

      • mike flannelly

        Hi Margaret,

        What is a fair rent for a property?

        How do you calculate a fair rent?

        Is the rent of a 400,000e property more expensive than a 250,000e property?

        It is widely recognised in investor terms that a 350,000 property with a 300,000e mortgage would require a rent of

        2254 euro (= mortgage repayments @ 5% x 130%)

        This is to cover tax on rent, management fees, input time,insurance, repairs plus upkeep while maintaining some investment value for the property owner.

        2003 to 2009 Mortgages on rental property should have been no more than 60 %. But then that was the job of the irish professional bankers that paid themselves up front bonus payments for overvaluing debt between 2003 to 2009.

        In other countries a tenant has to prove that they can earn 40 times the months rent. So for your example two teachers/ guards etc that earn 35,000 at year 5 (age 27) would “qualify” for rent of 1750euro(70,000 ÷ 40 )
        They technically could afford that two bed with their allowances.

        That would be 45% of the young teacher/ guards net income.

        Two bed apts at that rent are too expensive for young workers.

        In galway city a three bed is 1200/mth and would cost the same teachers about 21% of their net income.

        What is a fair rent?

        Tony usually tells us that the market will decide.

        An affordable rent should be a certain % of your net income.

        A legacy from the Irish government/central bank failure to restructure debt on rental property is that people with 300,000e mortgages are looking for 2254euro rent.

        This problem was solvable with the use of the ECB ESM fund but our dummies were too stupid to avail of it. It could have helped restructure overpriced land banks and homes also.

        Today there are more than 100000 mortgages in arrears. 2000 people on front of the repossession courts per month.

        Why not 3000 industry best practice restructures per month?

        We all want to see fair rent. We need to provide flexible guideline measurements for fair rent. Renters need to acknowledge the costs of a property that they wish to rent.

        I would advise my kids not to pay more than 25% of net income if they have transport costs also.

        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          What is a fair rent for a property?

          Well, I’d put it that way – in 1913 (we used to do readings of newspapers “what happened 100 years ago” in my local history society) a wage of an unqualified worker in Dublin was 18 shillings. His rent for an apartment in central Dublin was 3 shillings, heating was 2s 3g. So weekly rent was less than 17% of his wages. Nowadays, a minimum wage is something like 320 euro (and you have to be qualified). So a fair monthly rent (or rather the 1913 standards) for an apartment (say studio for argument’s sake) in central Dublin should be 200 euro. It is between 800-1000, and there are transport costs too. An equivalent of a 1000 euro would have rented a proper house in 1913, including cooking and all service done by housemaids.

          This is how our currencies devalued for 100 years and the cost of housing went up, relative to wages.

          Of course, this is not only about the tenant-landlord relation. The size of the state was only a fraction in 1913, and there was much less regulation bringing up the cost of rent (if my memory serves me correctly, it was either David or someone commentating who pointed out that – was it somewhere near Dun Laohaire? – all taxexs, including the local council taxes, constituted almost half of the final price of each sold house: maybe someonew will be able to remind of the exact figures and the name of the record-taxing council in Ireland) + there was no rent allowance (as Truthist pointed out, for low income tenants who are not getting rent allowance – and the poorest ones are usually not getting it for they cannot find landlords accepting them – rents without the rent-allowance system would have largely been current rents minus rent allowance).

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            I think it was Rathdown (Dun Laoghaire Co Council), that place where so much of the cost of the final price were taxes. I would really appreciate if someone living in Kingstown gave me exact figures. It was in South Dublin anyway. Maybe it was Sideshow Bob who gave the figure a year ago, he knows most about it. I am open to corrections if the figures/name of the council was different (and so much of those planning permission etc costs are hidden anyway).

          • mike flannelly

            Thanks Grzeg,
            17% 100 years ago. Thats a start.
            If a reset of housing/shelter needs affordability was possible, then 1997 is the last time that I can remember the system working. Gross industrial wages were 20000 and a nice house on the outskirts of galway city was 70,000. 3.5 times income.
            The 20 yr 63000 mortgage cost 480 which would be 22% of a couples (first time buyers were avg 28 yrs) 2200 net pay.
            Room to have children, enjoy the one life you have and put money aside in your 50′s for retirement and special occasions.
            Rent was 60 pounds in a three bed city house. About 21% of net industrial weekly income.

            Today the rent in galway is about 21% of net income 440e. The properties were 10 times gross annual 35000 incomes.

            So based on todays more expensive house prices would you say that rent is better value now than in 1995?

            What is the house price ratio to gross annual average industrial incomes in other EU cities?

            What is the monthly rent ratio to net monthly average industrial incomes in other EU cities?

            What is the house/apt price ratio to annual rental incomes in other EU cities ?

            Surely we need this info to give us some idea as to what ratios work in other countries.

            Then it can be decided if we are comparing apples with apples.

            Im sure that the high ratio debt mortgages(30 times annual rent) from 2003 to 2009 has helped inflate Irelands rents today.

            Is 21% of net income is high for the tenant and low for the property provider with high ratio mortgage debt.

            What is fair rent?

            Fair on who?

        • Margaret

          Hi Mike, I know how to work out the yield, thanks. This “benchmark” for Dublin can be viewed on line and it’s a new way of living……”typically the apts have a guest cloakroom”. Great to know a visiting guest is allowed to use the loo while the host shovels funds into the owners account. We never had blocks of luxury apts where a renter can register their interest to pay someone else’s mortgage.Dublin was never Manhatten. The Dubs will eventually all be living in commuter towns.

          • mike flannelly

            Hi Margaret,
            You said that the govnt need to get “REAL”.

            What is the measurement for “REAL” ???

            What are the REAL costs?

            We need to realise that the Ostrich debt ratios of 2003 to 2009 are messing up REAL.

            We can have REAL if we can park/restructure the NOT REAL debt ratios of 2003 to 2009.

            Step 1 shout STOP.

            Step 2 identify the problem( in normal society without witch hunt)

            Ireland bend over backwards to have no witch hunt but the witches come out of the woodwork and boast about breaking consumer law and contract law with regard to housing mortgage contracts.” WE DELIBERATELY OVERCHARGE VARIABLE MORTGAGE CONTRACTS” they boast.

            The Irish legal system allow contracts that are vague and
            unclear and are bias in favor of the stronger party to the contracts.

            I recently asked a legal expert basic junior cert questions on contract law and consumer law.
            He was blank.

            I cant ask the lady in charge of consumer rights cos she has an engineering backround and not a legal one.

            Margaret you have the answer.

            It was always “REAL”

  2. zeedonk

    Seeing that he knows the inner workings of the EU so well perhaps he could become their representative with plenipotentiary powers in Ireland. Advise us on stuff….and shit.

  3. SMOKEY

    Never mind Adam, he is on a major loved up high, Ive seen his new old lady and you dont get much higher.
    Brexit was never a radical idea for the average English man who said no to it from the beginning. Ass lickers with no original thoughts in their tiny craniums like Sleepy Noonan, Dopey Enda, Grumpy Franny Fitz, a Hillary voter, and Bashful Richard, not to mention Doc “little Leo Varadkar” who is more like a Munchkin or Smurf than a dwarf, will not lead anything, anywhere, anytime, ever. They are clever bean counters who make money and pensions. We know what Irish Water has done to them, it has them in its clutches unable to escape it with no way out. It dominates their very thinly veiled grip on power and has rendered them impotent. I gave them the solution on a platter over a year ago, “decrease the RTE licence money by €30 a year for 4 or 5 years funneling it into Irish Water, the public still pays the €160 annual and RTE gets time to find sponsors while being slowly defunded and the war chest goes into water infrastructure instead”
    Win, Win. I win, you win, Irish Water wins, and RTE goes to the wall hopefully. But dont expect followers to lead you out of the EU, they are reactionary and will wait until crisis and lead from behind, especially Little Leo.

  4. Pugin’s Legacy in Ireland

    Wexford County has been fortunate to have had many buildings by Pugin who was popular in the county then . My late parents were married in St Aidans Cathedral . My late father in law, an architect ,re-developed the spire of St Aidans in the 60′s when it fell into dis-repair and also other works by Pugin . . Maynooth College and Killarney Cathedral are also others done by Pugin.

    A subsequent practice Aislinn Coleman that included Pugins son did many variations of Pugins style around the whole of Ireland after his early death.

  5. contact23

    The iron grip that O brien/RTE Hold will ensure that the conversation is halted or stymied at every opportunity , of course this power will fade , and what fills the conversation vacuum will decide the future.

  6. ENARCHY

    We talk in conspiracies and yet we have no specifics when we speak about the threat from Europe .Shadow boxing is only for practice and not to win but only ‘to dream to win’.

    Trinity , Cambridge and Oxford cannot match the ENARCHY from Europe.

    This new power enabler Ecole Nationale Administrif ( Enarchy) will subsume life as we know it on ‘the isles’ of Britain and Ireland .Many of their members are already in-situ in Ireland and that includes The Central Bank.It is now an attack from within the decomposing corpse.

    • ‘He who does not know his history is doomed to repeat it’

      The Kingdom of Kerry is not forgotten because it was never known ( Book of Muckross ) .

      The isles of Britain and Ireland were once all of the Kingdom of Kerry ….and that begun at least 50,000 years ago and these people came directly from West Africa and arrived along the west coasts .Words abound the isles that were used by these homo sapiens and include many indecipherable words on the oldest maps of Ireland and UK by Ptolmy and their mindsets and those of the isles have remained unchanged since.

      The return of the wheel of history lays bare this mindset over a language from the continent that will not subsume to a new order.

      Trump is a Kerryman so is his empire henchman O’Callaghnan from Killarney. Trump embraces the mindset of a Kerryman given to him from his late mother who’s only language as an adult and upon her arrival in New York was Gaelic .All of Trumps golf courses on the isles skirt the west coasts.

      Trump ( Kerryman) now stands with Plato and Confucius to mark the third Philosopher.

      • Rugby

        The Haka is not the monopoly of New Zealand .This word was once used in an earlier time on ‘the isles’ for the same reasons as in war and arrived in the same body of language as did the original words from West Africa .The reason it was one of the few words to not be allowed to form part of the new creole with the Celts was because it might incite war among the indigenous tribes then.This is the same reason why Britain must implement its invocation of Article 50 only through French and not English.

        • GAA

          Caid is the official oldest word for a ball and written in the GAA dictionary and still used in parts of West Limerick and Kerry . This word also forms part of that ancient time. So does Camáin etc.

        • Request the return of The AAKA ( as spelt in Gaelic) to Rugby .

          • coldblow

            Welcome back, John. I was wondering what had happened to you. Have you been hibernating? (Or hiberianating?

          • Thanks Coldblow . All is well .A diversification was good to embrace .

            What I am writing above I am very serious about and see it all around me . Speaking about it makes it easier to understand and why we as a Nation fail to understand ourselves as matured nations do .
            If we do not know our words and origins we are doomed .

            History is repeating itself that happened before 50,000 years ago .

            In person there is so much to hear and to understand .Writing has its limitations.

      • Truthist

        John,
        .
        How is Trump a Kerryman ?
        .
        And, what is the proof for 50,000 years ago people from Africa — Arabs ? Negros [ non-PC ; But, consistent with use of Caucasians ] ? Caucasians ? or other ? — settled in Ireland ?

        • I can understand your question and concern and many ask it and there is an answer .Unfortunately writing has its limitations.

          I have had many debates with people with same concern and after some time it made sense to them . Unfortunately we are taught what we know and my evidence challenges that process and conclusion . Existing evidence in schools of learning have never tested my evidence before and I have spent a very long time working on it to deliver it easier .

          Strangely for most that do not know they do not experience what really is happening and succumb to conspiracies and there are many of those to find.

          The truth is in the history The Kingdom of Kerry that was never forgotten because it was never known .
          The Book of Muckross attempts to deliver some of that .It is written philosophically as that is that language of discourse .Nevertheless in reality it can be understood with a touch of humanity .

          • I am not asking anyone to buy this book .In fact you should not give it as a present because it provokes thinking and makes sleeping difficult .

            It was not planed as a book it is in fact a bundle of research papers written as I went along in the study .Allow some grammar mishaps as a self published book.

            It is difficult to read but had to be written in that manner ‘philosophically’ to contest the die hard ‘elite linguist’ . So it is an insurgent book to displace the existing thought process that is defunct and a failure in defining who we are .

            It changes everything you ever knew before about ‘being an islander on the isles of Britain and Ireland ‘.It is an unfinished story as there will be lots more to come when I can make the time to put it together.

            In fairness this great site provoked me to think and make this a book that matters to me .So thanks David .

            Finally to smooth over the edges of ‘getting the full picture’ for some readers I would have to explain that in person .

            Brexit and Donald Trump and derivatives of this thought process .

            The story of the Kingdom of Kerry has begun .

          • correction: ‘are derivatives’

      • Grzegorz Kolodziej

        Dear John,
        I remember that in the past you gave us a link to your book, perhaps you can do it again?

        “The isles of Britain and Ireland were once all of the Kingdom of Kerry ….and that begun at least 50,000 years ago and these people came directly from West Africa and arrived along the west coasts ”

        Latest genetic research would lend support to that hypothesis, although I do not about 50,000 years, and I know nothing about the Kingdom of Kerry rulling the enitre British isles.

        Perhaps I can summarise what I know about it, and I would be happy if that will in any way complement your research.

        1. It is a popular wisdom that the mythical Aryans arrived to Europe from India. But the latest genetical research shows that actually the opposite is true – Aryan arrived to India from Europe, and then some of them came back to Europe via the Great Steppe.

        2. During the First Republic (before the partitions), Polish nobility considered themselves to be descendents of the Sarmatians, which was considered malarkey until very recently.
        2.1 Scythians and Sarmatians were considered a part of Iranian tribes (Iran = Airan = the land of Aryans).
        2.2 Aryans, who left traces from Carpatians mountains to Siberia and Tibet, formed the Globular Amphora Culture, preceding the central area occupied by the Corded Ware culture (I find animations better than maps):

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKf3ZzqUHwo

        2.3 Our thinking about Aryans is distorted by the Nazi Germany. They spread the story (in which they trully believed) that Germanic tribes are direct descendants of the Aryans. They have done it for political reasons: the narration was that before Germans, parts of Europe were in a state of a pre-state tribal organisation, and only Germans gave those parts state organisation, laws and culture). The reason this view is still lingering in the popular culture is because after WWII, physical antropology was banned, and it is only the last 20 years that we witness its renaissance.

        Modern genetics however proved that Germans are a result of pra-Aryans mixing with the inhabitants of northern Europe (direct descendants of the Aryans are Slavs – mainly Poles, Ukrainians and Belarussians; also Serbs and Croats (who lived on the territory of what we call today Malopolska – Lesser Poland, while modern Italians, French and Spaniards have genetically almost nothing to do with the Aryans: they are a mixture of itallic, celtic and assimilated tribes of western Europe, such as Iberians).

        2.4 We know that this is the case because Aryans were marked by the haplogroup y-dna R1a (in Europe most predominant in Poland: the Poles are the most Aryan tribe: please note huge component of R1a in Iceland and Norway, some in Scotland and almost none in the Carolingian Europe), which originated 22,000 – 25,000 years ago.

        2.5 Both haplogroups: Aryan y-dna R1a and non-Aryan y-dna R1b come from the same ancesstor though, who is thought to have lived 30,000 years ago. Some researchers, such as Anatole Klyosov, claim that the branching off took place in Siberia (he calls the carriers of R1a “Arainams” – ancesstors of Arians – and R1b “Arbins”).

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1a#/media/File:Distribution_Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.svg

        3. It was not until 4-6 thousand BC when Arbins and Arainams came to Europe and met:
        3.1 Haplogroups y-DNA I (settled in Europe 30,000 years ago)
        3.2 Haplogroups y-DNA E, G and J (resettled from Asia Minor 7-10 thousand years ago, who brought agriculture to Europe)

        4. They both mixed with them, but some of them withdrew into less accessible regions: Alps, Dinaric Alps, Mediterranean islands and Scandinavia).The Globular Amphora Culture proper was created as a result of mixing Arains with y-dna I (this is second, after y-dna R1a, haplogroups in eastern Europe – 20% of men have it).

        Some interesting facts about y-dna I (technically Haplogroup_I-M170):

        most common among Herzegovinians (71%), Croats (46%), Norwegians (45%), Danes (39%) and Serbians (39%). Tribes with 0%-1% of that haplogroup: Algerians, Ashkenazi, Egyptians, Cypriots, Georgians, Iranians, Iraqis, Jordanians, Kazakhs, Mongols, Saudis, Syrians.

        Poles 17%, Irish 10% (11% in Rush), Germans 24%.

        To compare – frequency of the Aryan R1a in Europe:

        - highest in Mazovia and Lesser Poland parts of Poland (over 60%), then Lithuania (40%), Czech, Slovenia, Vienna region and Estonia (30%), Norway (20%) and eastern Germany (20%), which was originally Slavic (district Koepenic in Berlin comes from a Slavic name Kopenica); also in Greece. Absent in eastern France, Spain, Portugal, Munster, most of Wales. Present in Connaught, Scottish Highlands, Kent, Cornwall.

        5. Now, this you will find really interesting: originally Arbins (R1b) used a language related to current Turkish (paricularly Bashkir and Turkmen – they have very high levels of R1b, which means they are very related to western Europeans).

        6. Arbins abandonden their language during their migration periods and they adapted local languages, among others Basque (Basques have the highest in Europe frequency of R1b).

        7. Now – we are finally getting at your hypothesis :-)
        it was recently proven that Basque is closely related to the language of Dogon tribe in western Africa, WHICH WOULD INDICATE THAT ARBINS CAME TO EUROPE FROM WESTERN AFRICA. This is further corroborated by a high frequency of R1b among the African tribes Hausa and Fulbe, bordering with Dogons. What is really fascinating about Dogons and Fulbe is that they have unique in Africa haplogroup E1a.

        8. What about Arains? Originally, Arains spoke a language similar to Arbins (Kirgisians and Altayans have high frequency of R1a).

        9. However, when Arains transformed into Arians, they embraced the INDOEUROPEAN LANGUAGE. They have done that… in Europe (sic!!!!!), and then they exported it to India!

        10. So what about the Irish? The tribes who have brought the agriculture from Anatolia into Europe (first and foremost the Balkans and Poland/Czech/Slovakia – Arains came after) carried haplogroups G, I and J. They mixed up with haplogroup D (Celts, Italic tribes – in liguistics their languages are called kentumic, from centum = 100 in Latin). It was Arbins who settled in the Atlantic region, but they inherited kentumic languages from Celts and Italics.

        11. The languages in eastern and central Europe are called satemic (from 100 = satem in avestian (classic Persian, 100 = sto in Polish).

        Btw, some people have this childish misconception that Slavs comes from Slaves, assuming that God spoke English at the Big Bang and named everything in English – Slavs comes from slovo = word. This is as childish as those Hollywood movies in which savages meet the noble Englishmen and they all speak English, except the savages speak it incorrectly (in Poland when they make movies , they do not make the characters playing Englishmen speak broken Polish, but let them speak their own language in films and put subtitles in Polish).

        Slavs meant “people of the word” (hence Germans = Niemcy in Polish; Niemcy means silent people (people of no words).

        12. You might be interested in the works of the Polish antropologist Jan Czekanowski, one of the pioneers in that field (I can translate his works into English provided that the potential publisher pays me as much as my publisher paid me for the book and play I have translated – this may come as a major shock to most of you, but, apart from my actual academic background: mathematical logic, economy, German studies and philosophy:, I am also an expert on modern theatre and I was involved in theatre both in Poland and here – this why I know German culture so well (I have met people from German theatre too)), who found out that Arbins brought the red hair into Europe.

        13. The culture of Aryans-Slavs is closely related to Aegean civilisation. Look at the Zyndram mountain in Maszkowice in Poland:

        https://www.google.ie/search?q=g%C3%B3ra+Zyndrama&biw=1024&bih=567&noj=1&tbm=isch&imgil=0101FojB18C4SM%253A%253BuZxtBr27mxLzMM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.starosadeckie.info%25252Fedukacja%25252Fgora-zyndrama-w-maszkowicach-skrywa-wielka-tajemnice%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=0101FojB18C4SM%253A%252CuZxtBr27mxLzMM%252C_&usg=__acYmGq5Hn0387gI4SRbo2WL2Ok4%3D&ved=0ahUKEwiM6MCHhNTQAhVKCsAKHUajBCAQyjcINA&ei=l6JAWMzADsqUgAbGxpKAAg#imgrc=0101FojB18C4SM%3A

        14. Conclusion? People of Ireland who are fascinated by Orient: stop believing the hippie bullshit that India is the cradle of our western civilisation. Genetic research has proven beyond a doubt that it was the Aryans who have brough their language to India and Persia.

        I hope I was helpful to your research, John. I won’t be answering any further questions on haplogroups though because to summarise what I know was quite exhausting.

        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          P.S. As a major shock because I do not think I have ever mention or written on theatre here (I think only once briefly, in 2014, in conversation with Coldblow). But I have not mentioned many other things too.

        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          3. It was not until 4-6 thousand BC when Arbins and Arainams came to Europe and met: = no, not BC – 4-6 thousand years ago. Just to make it very clear – roughly speaking, the purests Arbins in Europe are Basques, and Celts and Italics mixed up with them. Pra-Slavic culture is a sister of the Aegean culture, which was inherited by Greeks. That culture then mixed up with the culture that was a mixture of Arbin culture and Celtic and Italic cultures (we can even trace when this occured by some deep grammar similarities between Irish and Slavic languages I covered extensively in the past, deeper than between Irish and Germanic languages – this shows that pre-Irish and pre-Poles mixed up earlier than pre-Irish and pre-Germanics mixed up. It is enough to go to Tyniec on the outskirts of Kraków (which is my favourite place in Poland) and visit Celtic artefacts in the local museum predating the Battle of Hastings and Canute the Great – who was himself a grandson of the first Polish king Mieszko I (read: Mishco)

        • Truthist

          Actually, Grzegorz, most people think that the word “slave” comes from “Slav” ;
          Not the other way around.
          And, to support this theory, they point to most slaves for long time captured & traded to the Islamic nations as coming from the Slavic ethnic groups of Europe.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            Yes, but I am telling you not what most people think, but what the actual ethymology is.

            Do not mind what people think – most people are unable to think (I have met people who would rather do 12 hours work than 1 hour of problem solving).

            Most Americans for example think that Europe is a country – and many of them are surprised that Ireland is a country (there is a famous video circulating of YouTube of an American girl on a TV quiz show who, when asked about countries Turkey and Hungary, is close to bursting in tears because she think the presenter makes jokes of her). 73% of them cannot show USA on the map.

            You are right though that many Slavs were hunted by Arabs and sold as slaves (that includes other tribes too, including the Irish – one day the entire Irish village was captured and brought to Africa on a ship). In Slavs case, the greatest amount of them captured into slavery was the consequence of the wars waged by Otto the Great and his successors against the Slavs.

            But this is not the ethymology of the word Slav in English, because the word “slave” does not actually appear in English until 1550s, at which time it was the English rather than Slavs who were slaves (i.e. the law on terminators issued by Elizabeth I, while Poland and that time was far richer a country than England: bear in mind that Prussians were at that time subjects of the Polish king as a result of the Treaty of Kraków, while England could hardly defend her own borders, and that one Spanish armada have almost ended the existence of the English state – while 2 centuries later (so when Poland was becoming a really shitly managed country) it required the combined efforts of Russia, Prussia, Austria, Turkey and, indirectly, England, to partition Poland).

            The meaning “work like a slave” is first recorded as late as 1719, so this, and the fact that many Slavs were indeed Otto’s slaves – but not at the time when the word “slave” entered the English language, sort of debunks the theory (furthermore, when Slavs were being enslaved on a massive scale by Otto and his descendants, England did not even exist as a state – all that existed was a bunch of tribes left after the Romans withdrew from the south, and the Irish withdrew from the north – who were just freshly conquered by Canute the Great – a son of the first Polish king)…

            In fact, it was the word “English” that meant “slave” at that time (since 850s, the Old English word “Wealh” (“Briton”) meant “serf, slave” (I wonder if the word “Welsh” comes from that?).

            Another Old English words for slave were beow (related to beowian “to serve”) and brael.

            So this is the ethymology of the word “slave” in English, now, as to the ethymology of the word “Slav” in Slavic languages: Slavs are Slowianie in Polish (hence Slovakia and Slovenia); Slowianie from “slowo”, which means “word” (people of the word – “Niemcy”, the Germans, means literally “wordless”. Why was that? The Slavs, everywhere they went, they could communicate with people they met – until they reached the river Elbe (Berlin, Hamburg – these are all towns established by Slavs, and genetically east Germans are quite similar to Slavs). After crossing Elbe, they met people with whome they could not communicate.

            The very old Slavic names have “slav” as their components: such as
            Russian Miroslav, literally “peaceful fame;”
            Mstislav “vengeful fame;” (i.e. Mstislav Rostropovich)
            Jaroslav “famed for fury (i.e. Jaroslav Kaczynski);
            Czech Bohuslav “God’s glory;” and Wenceslas.

            My father’s name was Cheslav, and my surname had its first written appearance between 1112-1118 (in Cronicae et gesta ducum sive principum Polonorum)

            My family are the descendants of the first Polish dynasty (this one of those many things I have never mentioned because it sounds a bit daft, but it is true).

            Check this link for my ancesstors:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piast_the_Wheelwright

            /

            The Slavic words for slave were:

            in Russian “rab”,
            Serbo-Croatian “rob”,
            Old Church Slavonic “rabu” (from Old Slavic *orbu), from the PIE root *orbh- (source of “orphan”).

            This word is a source of the word “robot”.

            /

            I hope my clarfications were helpful.

    • I challenge David to interview Cyril ROUX and the elite Ecole

  7. mike flannelly

    Who would have thought that after the bankers abuse of 2003 to 2009 , Ireland politicians would abolish consumer law, ignore contract law and tell the very same bankers that they could name their very own profits.

    The very weak 31st dail, plus Irish justice system was a window of acceptability for failed irish bankers to recieve promotions, flip customer redress and restructuring of debt to naming their own profits and continuing customer abuse.

    Its like living in a Stepford World.

    The ongoing so called private Irish banking Bailout is costing 2bn interest per year servicing their portion of the national debt plus 1bn/yr overcharging variable plus fixed mortgage rates.

    This is a direct Irish shelter needs cost that could be fixed within 60 working days.

    No more aggressive profit growth for Irish banks that continue to damage the domestic economy.

  8. Harve

    I agree David that the possibility of Ireland leaving the EU should not be dismissed. Given what has happened recently with Brexit and in the last decade or so with exchange rate volatility between Euro & Sterling, another possibility that should not be ruled out is Ireland leaving the Euro. Let’s face it the biggest source of pain for Irish exporters is when exchange rates move by 20%. These fluctuations surpass the impact of most tariffs and can play a major role in mitigating/amplifying the differences in corporation tax.

    Who knows how Brexit will yet play out? Could there be a looser Customs Union across the continent revolving around a core of full-EU Member States (i.e. in the Eurozone, Schengen, fully-subscribed to the 4 freedoms and the Common Consolidated Corporate Tax Base (CCCTB))? In this scenario, Ireland’s interests may well be best served outside the Eurozone, especially if it means signing-up to the CCCTB. I don’t think the appetite is there to fully leave the EU though.

  9. coldblow

    Good article. Here are my observations.

    ‘In the old days… our understanding of medicine an psychiatry was limited.’

    Whatever about medicine our understanding of psychology is limited. If you don’t get the basic, rock-bottom basic, concept of introversion and extraversion (and they don’t) then you are unlikely to get anything else. (Note of thanks here to Colm, late of this parish, who first, and unwittingly, gave me a crucial insight.)

    ‘Farage took an extreme – frankly marginal – movement…’

    Only extreme and marginal in the eyes of the Irish media and political elite, and their thousands (if not millions) of wannabes in civvy street. As Smokey says above, Brexit was never a radical idea for the plain Englishman. Note that many ideas are now mainstream which would have been seen as extreme only ten or twenty years ago. One of these is gender fluidity, for which the Late Late propagandizes. Peter Hitchens, once a committed and active Trotskyite, makes this argument. The present Conservative government holds a number of views which he and his colleagues in their day would have regarded as outlandish.

    There seems to have been possibly some kind of a debate about Europe thirty years ago (I arrived 29 years ago), though the idea of a genuine discussion of ideas in Ireland is ludicrous now. Raymond Crotty wanted to campaign against the Single European Act based on his understanding of Ireland’s post-colonial past. Going into a body consisting almost entirely of former former capitalist colonialists would not benefit the country in the long term. He was persuaded to step into line with the main plank of the Anti-EU movement. And what was that? Neutrality. This was so important that I don’t think I have heard the word spoken even once in an Irish context in the last five years.

    ‘Whether you agree with Farage or not…’

    This is from the same stable as ‘Trump may be a racist but…” It acknowledges the fact that a liking for either is not (yet) acceptable in polite society, meaning the sort of people who take their opinions from RTE and the newspapers.

    ‘So how does it happen? How does an idea which is regarded as extreme and inconsequential becaome mainstream?’

    Let’s ignore ‘inconsequential’ because it is obviously diametrically not true. Consider instead how a set of extreme opinions, judged according to the standards of say fifty, even thirty or twenty, years ago are now held as blazingly obvious, middle of the road common sense. In Ireland the answer is easily. Our media elite copy British, who in turn copy the Americans (or at least that is how it was). This is then imposed on Irish society and any dissidents are slapped down as out of touch, ‘pious Roman Catholics’, reactionaries, insular, ‘an Irish solution for an Irish problem’, out of touch, chauvinistic, racist (you know the rest). But how did these new ideas first come to dominate America? That is an interesting question.

    The pattern is clearly that of a top-down whereby new ideas are imposed from above, by people who claim, or are widely assumed, to know.

    ‘Again, not unlike Farage, Salmond has taken a minority idea and made it mainstream.’

    Yes, and of course the current strategy of looking for independence within Europe is a big mistake. Once again politicians are too easily misled by fashionable pieties.

    ‘It then crosses over from the academic fringe into electoral discourse.’

    First of all, there is no such discourse, at least no genuine one, as far as I can see. Television and press during an election are saturated in ‘photo ops’ while the radio churns out nit-picking interviews of politicians about aspects of policy that probably don’t mean anything to most people. I don’t know about the academic fringe. It is all a wacky fringe and with little of value to contribute. Surely new ideas are chosen from within the narrow band of what is now seen as ‘mainstream’ and ‘acceptable’, that is, from the well-worn modernizing agenda which is at full tilt in the direction of, ultimately, God only knows where. This is the same trajectory followed by the scriptwriters for Coronation Street and the other soaps, where you can guess quite accurately what the next new social idea is.

    In Ireland they are merely lifted from our nearest neighbour. In England they seem to arrive via reports from think tanks and other bodies masquerading as objective but liberally biased. I would add that these new ideas are not necessarily rational. I won’t go into that again, except to recall the notorious (for the very few who even noticed) Guardian leader from Feb 2015 which suggested that Jimmy Savile’s body be dug up to satisfy public anger. There’s a new idea straight out of Bedlam!

    How otherwise did same-sex marriage come to the fore?

    • mcsean2163

      Eh? Maybe because about 10% of the population is gay and gay people want to be accepted in society, not as tolerated as deviants.

      • coldblow

        Eh? ‘Maybe’ the 10% figure of yours is a gross exaggeration. Gay people can be tolerated without (further) undermining one of the most fundamental of institutions, the family. My impression is that the take-up on gay marriage is tiny. Civil partnerships provided sufficient legal recognition anyway. Marriage is increasing irrelevant to Irish people and was up to now ignored or derided as a ‘bourgeois’ institution, out of touch with the modern liberated philosophy. Gays are not only tolerated but are a privileged class here now. What class of person is now seen as deviant and tolerated at best? You know the answer don’t you or would you contest it. Eh?

        My point was, how did this issue suddenly appear at the top of the list of political priorities? Was it an organic ground-up affair, a swelling of discontent from the roots of Irish society, from ordinary people? Or might it just have had a little bit to do with the fact that it is the big thing everywhere else and we have to be in on it too? A coincidence? Eh?

        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          The figure of 10% comes from the fraudulent research of Alfred Kinsey. The real figure is about 1-2%.
          By the way – Poland was the first country in Europe where gay were tolerated (in fact, homosexuality was not illegal there in first place: we even had a homesexual king, Henri de Valois – it was during his short reign that the French learned from the Poles how to use a fork).

          I think that in Dublin, among people younger than 50, gay people are far more accepted than Donald Trump supporters or even Catholics. Hey, I even once got a job because I said I was gay (I merely meant I was gay as in I was in a good mood – I like using obsolete words, I liked that since childhood and was writing love letters to my then girlfriend in 17 century Polish) and I was handsome back then (I am no longer now). Then it turned out that all the guys (and there were only guys working there) working in that D4 place were gay, except for the manager, who was bisexual.

          “A coincidence?”

          My and my late mum’s priest used to say that there are no coincidence, but only signs.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            we even had a homesexual king, Henri de Valois = we elected him as a king. I mean, I did not.

          • coldblow

            Grzeg

            England had a homosexual king in Edward the II. That would have been around the 13th century. Our old history teacher (who was really a biology teacher) told us that he was that way because he had been brought up among girls and women and had been viciously murdered with a red hot poker up you know where.

            I think you are right about Kinsey. What I mean is, from the little I know about it I ‘know’ you are right. It is just one of the many spheres in our informationally overloaded world where statistics appear to have been pulled out of you know where.

            One of these figures is that one in four Irish children are sexually abused before they turn 18. The organization of that name, which was led by Colm O’Gorman, says this:

            “In Ireland research has shown that one in four children (27%) will experience sexual abuse before the age of 18.” (The British organization of the same name qualifies the figure with an ‘about’ or ‘approximately’ as I recall.) This has to be a gross exaggeration.

            By the way here is a more objective view of O’Gorman compared with the media image:

            http://www.irishsalem.com/individuals/accusers/colm-o-gorman/index.php

            One of the many unintentionally funny aspects of what is going on is that those who live inside this dreamland feel the need to dispel the ‘myths’ which are fooling the rest of us.

      • coldblow

        mcsean

        Apologies if my post came across as a little bit rude as your point is fair, just that I don’t agree with it. I must have been coming down with something yesterday – because I am (nearly) down with it today.

  10. Grzegorz Kolodziej

    IS MICHAEL D HIGGINS EUROPE’S DUMBEST PRESIDENT?

    President Michael D Higgins has described Fidel Castro (who ordered filming and showing in cinemas the executions of political prisoners, and he backed the invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968) as a “giant amongst global leaders”. On November 10, 1984, he described Nicaragua as a “pluralist democracy”, and in 2007 he described the Islamic Revolution of Iran and the revolution of Nicaragua in 1979 as “twin revolutions”, saying that “they have similar goals of justice, freedom, sovereignty and peace.” He protested against President Reagan’s visit to Ireland – a man who liberated parts of Europe that were occupied by the Soviets and ended the Cold War. He also claimed that free market is “the most sinister violence of our times”. Moliere wrote that “An educated fool is more foolish than an ignorant one.”, but with such ignorance, I have to question his education. In October 2007, Mr Higgins wanted to share a platform with Hezbollah (fortunately, the Hezbollah man was refused a visa on security grounds). With his ridiculously bad judgment (he rebuked the government for not letting in more Jihadists), morbidly bad looks, incoherent thinking, astonishing ignorance of history and economics, inability to formulate his thoughts clearly, Mr Higgins undermines the dignity of his office to which he was elected thanks to RTE not scrutinising his suspicious life (always on the side of the Soviet Union), inaccurate statements and occasional displays of incredibly bad manners (he called his opponent a “wanker” in a radio debate). He is a growing embarrassment to this country. He read Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, but he did not read Wittgenstein for had he done so, he would have known that “Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.”

    On a firmament of giants amongst white leaders, President Higgins’s is more like a red dwarf.

    Michael D Higgins – a President who did us a laughing stock.

    http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/148mcdi.jpg

    • Grzegorz Kolodziej

      President Higgins’s is = President Higgins’ star is

    • coldblow

      It seems as if RTE ruined the chance of his opponent in the election when (if I remember it right) they showed a text purportedly from SF linking him to a donation to FF. At that time FF were still ‘toxic’ as they took nearly all the blame for the crash while FG were at the time seen as in the opposite light.

      • coldblow

        This was during the last tv candidates’ debate, just before the election. Higgins rose sharply in the polls afterwards.

        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          You would not believe it, but I was actually AT THAT debate, and on a debates before I:

          - revealed that Mr Gay Mitchel voted for the Amendment 115 to the Cashman Report (which then was circulating in the media for the next week – I mean not my TV appearance, but the list of Irish MEPs who voted for it). Mr Mitchell withdrew from the race after that.
          - revealed on RTE the paid lobbying activities of Mr Pat Cox. Pat Cox then withdrew from the race.
          - asked Michael D a legal question during the debate. He was unable to answer it, neither was any of the candidates, and the question was eventually answered by a studio expert, but in a – in my opinion – evasive way. Michael D’s legs were shaking as I was asking my question.
          - I was never invited to RTE again.

          “Higgins rose sharply in the polls afterwards.”

          You are my witness that I was hitherto very respectful here towards the President as I am of an opinion that the office of the President should have an authority (that’s why I did not decide to throw eggs at President Aleksander Kwasniewski in my halcyon days in Kraków – unlike some of my colleagues.

          But

          With his comments on Castro the President has crossed the red line.

          The social contract was: we do not criticise the President because he represent Ireland abroad, that is the country where I live. it is the same as not criticising the Queen in England.

          But but but

          This was provided he shuts his mouth and does not express radical opinions on things he is completely ignorant about.

          President of Ireland is only really for three things essentially:

          - meet heads of other states
          - article 26
          - do some charity work

          He is not to display his monumental lack of proper education both historic and economic (I challenge him that he repeats his comments on Fidel Castro to mothers of his victims – especially that he did not sign any condolonce for Pinochet, who did so much more good and so much less bad than Castro).

          I urge the people of Ireland, in the next election to compensate the cheated voters for his unfairly preferential treatment during the elections (up to a last debate fraud) and glossing over things like his suspicious pro-KGB statements and activities (I am not implying that he worked for them – I am implying that he is unwillingly played a role of a “useful idiot”) and to be as harsh to him during the next election as possible.

          - Question his support for communist tyrannies.

          - If you are debating him, remember that he did not hesitate to call his opponent a wanker (and the red dwarf never apologised to Mr Graham – and I am not saying this because I am pro-Israeli or particularly enchanted by Mr Graham for I am not).

          - Michael D. showed a lack of respect for the voters’ decision in 1986 – he is a danger to democracy.

          - He is also a liar: during his “wanker” debate, he claimed there was an attempt on the life of the head of the UNRWA in Gaza, Irishman John Ging, leaves the listener thinking it was Israel (and by God, you know me Coldblow that I am not particularly pro-Israel) without having the guts to tell us that it was Islamic jihadists that tried to kill him.

          - His idol is Dr Nooh Edrees al-Kaddo (Higgins prayed with him), who thinks that it should be illegal in Ireland and the West to blaspheme against Islam (well – it is either all religions or none at all, and besides – this is Europe).

          - in July 2013 he honoured Umar Al-Qadri, who calls Hamas “my brothers and sisters” and says “Hamas loves peace.

          http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fatwa-sheikh-with-links-to-irish-muslims-is-refused-visa-26759225.html

          - He is not respected abroad (John Fay, IrishCentral, 28 Oct 2011: “Overall, it would probably be a good thing if the next seven years did not include any Irish presidential visit to America.”)

          I am not saying that Mr Higgins does not have any positive features. I believe that most of what he says comes from good intentions, despite his arrogance and vanity often creeping up. And he is an erudite of a sort, it just happens that most of what he quotes is bullshit.

          What I am saying is that his election was fraudulent due to the biassed reporting and character assassination of his opponent. I am also saying that he showed many times that he does not adher to democratic principles and results of the referenda if they do not suit his fanatical narrow-minded leftist view.
          And he is prone to rationalise violence.

          I am ashamed that he is a President on the same lines as I would be ashamed if Lord Haw-Haw was a President.

          • coldblow

            Grzeg

            You were at that debate, Mike Flannell was in the Dáil when Labour brought down the coalition government and David (as is well known of course) was visited by the Finance Minister for private advice when the financial crisis broke. John Allen made a submission about banking malpractice a few years before that.

            Columnis Mary Carr wrote about Higgins earlier in the week. She had obviously read Hitchens’s damning article about Castro in the Mail in Sunday. She seemed to accept that Higgins was wrong to praise Castro, among other things, but finished up (as I remember) by excusing his blatant left wing bias because it was from this same well that our ‘inclusiveness’ springs.

    • michaelcoughlan

      Hi,

      “IS MICHAEL D HIGGINS EUROPE’S DUMBEST PRESIDENT?”

      No he is very smart like most communists. He is just a cunt fuck wank stain. All through the 60′s 70′s 80′s 90′s and 00′s countless hundreds of thousands and maybe even millions of desperate Irish chose freely to emigrate to and live in the US.

      How many chose Cuba the socialist Utopia in that period of time in comparison?

      Sweet fuck all.

      Another fucking nut job fucking bonbon type cunt fuck wanker being paid a fortune of taxpayers money to patronise and talk through his hole to the rest of us.

      Makes me so mad.

      • Pat Flannery

        michaelcoughlan: Wow! Now I don’t feel so bad. I think you let me off lightly a couple of weeks ago.

        • michaelcoughlan

          Hi,

          I am sorry if you were previously offended. The story you told of the reason you left Ireland was a very substantive contribution.

          I am not exactly proud of my foul mouth but sometimes expletives are the only way I know to convey the veracity of how I feel.

          Farage is Right Ireland will have to leave the EU. Bertie is on the way back and will try and stop it. I think it’s bigger than him. The Italians will leave in the referendum in a few days. One domino after another falling will leave us with no option.

          What will force us out thought pat is the farming lobby. A slimy scum bag monster like Sutherland said recently that we in the EU should punish the Brits for opting out. Who the fuck does he mean we? Not a fat greasy fuck like him!

          We is the Irish farmers so does he really think they are going to stop selling store cattle for slaughter to the UK just to give a bloody nose to the Brits?

          One fucking scum bag madman after another patronising the Irish people. I swear to Jesus it’s getting worse and worse.

          Michael.

          • Truthist

            Michael,
            .
            Sutherland — or “Suds” to us here — similar to Tanaiste & Min. for Justice Ms. Frances Fitzgerald [ Big fan of Hitlery Clinton ] is connected to London School of Economics [ Otherwise known as London School of "Spies" ].
            .
            Ref.
            Peter Sutherland appointed Professor in Practice at LSE
            .
            EXCERPT ;
            .
            Peter Sutherland appointed Professor in Practice at LSE

            LSE has appointed Peter Sutherland, the UN Special Representative of the Secretary-General for International Migration, as a Professor in Practice in the School’s Institute of Global Affairs (IGA).

            Mr Sutherland is returning to LSE after serving as Chair of the School’s Court and Council from 2008 until early 2015.
            .
            http://www.lse.ac.uk/newsAndMedia/news/archives/2015/11/PeterSutherlandIGA.aspx
            .
            .

            And, because Suds is a person of high interest, here are some more links to bookmark :
            .
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sutherland
            .
            http://petersutherland.co.uk/

          • Pat Flannery

            michaelcoughlan: It was not so much that I was offended as anxious not to participate in swapping personal insults. I have seen how that can destroy a site. I happen to like this one and would prefer to be able to stay.

            I have no problem with the use of profanity, even abundant profanity, so long as it is not used to insult the person whom one is addressing and from whom one expects a reply. It is no different from any other mode of expression. One can insult a person with in most polite language. It is the ad hominem element I deplore, not its mode of expression.

            Meantime let’s continue our healthy debates on here no matter how we may perceive the “bonbon” craziness of one another’s views.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            “I happen to like this one and would prefer to be able to stay.”

            Well then try to answer rational arguments rather than constantly whinging about how you are rational and constantly attacked personally, while avoiding serious debate with those who do not offend you, like me in my thorough reply to your conceptual confusion the equilibrium.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            “One can insult a person with in most polite language. It is the ad hominem element I deplore, not its mode of expression.”

            Says a person who called me a disgrace to my native country.

      • michaelcoughlan

        @ Truthist,

        Not surprising re suds. John Perkins said it clearly in his superlative book “Confessions of an economic hit man”

        The JOB IS THE BRIBE.

  11. dwalsh

    Fine article David. Thank you.

    I think what is driving the centrifugal political and social forces such as Brexit, is a growing concern and opposition in the general population about globalisation and how it is being managed and directed.
    And I think the key antagonist is not nostalgic nationalism but fundamentalist economics. Specifically neoliberal economics.

    Neoliberal globalisation is founded on an irrational economic ideology which has two principal foundational intellectual pillars:
    1. An irrational principle of market fundamentalism
    2. A pseudo-rational a priori theoretical mathematical apparatus and methodology

    Living breathing human beings (and any life form whatsoever) are absent from this theory and model. They are replaced by idealised fictions called rational market actors; or viewed simply as production and consumption units. Nonhuman life forms are viewed as resources or commodities.

    Indeed the entire planet and biosphere is not regarded as a living breathing ecosystem upon which we are utterly dependent, but as an infinite resource for production cycles to produce profits – specifically private profits for elite groups known as corporations and investors.

    If you examine what we know of the secret globalist trade deals being constructed at the moment, such as the TPP and TTIP, what you find is not agreements designed to enhance how markets can serve human societies, but rather transnationally binding legal instruments to ensure that societies serve markets – specifically the private profits extracted from markets by corporations and investors. The trade deals are actually investor rights deals.

    This irrational and inhumane economic ideology is the doctrine of the elites driving the processes of globalisation. They seek to maximise benefits to their transnational class of super wealthy owners and investors and their corporations (which are essentially private global empires).

    There is very little in all this for the ordinary human being and worker except declining incomes and benefits and life quality. More and more workers are being forced to submit to inhumane conditions such as zero hours contracts.

    What was once called the social contract has been deemed obsolete by our leaders who are actively dismantling the social supports and benefits nations once provided to their populations. In their view the purpose of governments is not to serve the wellbeing or interests of their society and citizens, but rather to mange populations of workers and consumers for the benefit of corporations and investors.

    Recently Theresa May has made some statements which indicate she gets this to some extent. Maybe others will begin to get it over time. But if the elites react by doubling down in the aftermath of shocks such as Brexit and Trump and whatever lies ahead in Europe this year (France?), then things will get very scary and the very real danger of Nazi-style fascism and general war will become ever more possible.

    I hope things will not have to get too much worse before they can begin to get better; but what I know of our history does not bode well.

    • Grzegorz Kolodziej


      2. A pseudo-rational a priori theoretical mathematical apparatus and methodology”

      This is an opinion – but what are the argument?
      How do you define neoliberalism?

      “There is very little in all this for the ordinary human being and worker except declining incomes and benefits and life quality.”

      Ever heard of western societies incurring more and more debt and the manufacturing and incomes moving to Asia as a result?
      Also, as I have pointed our in Indo in September this year – why pay workers decent incomes if in the zero-interest rate environment you can just increse money supply (so that European/US governments no longer need taxes from workers)?

      Also, it is not that incomes are declining – rather our costs are going up and our money is devalued. 300 euro a week is more than a decent income – but in Dublin, where the average house was 40-100 times the annual income from rent, it is at the vegetation level.

      “More and more workers are being forced to submit to inhumane conditions such as zero hours contracts.”

      But since Ireland is not Castro-like dictatorship (Castro murdered over 30 times more people than Pinochet – and that even excluding Angola, where they did not count it), why do we keep voting for those who provide us with inhumane conditions?

      “They are replaced by idealised fictions called rational market actors”

      You might have missed my post under the last article about Pat Flannery’s misunderstanding of the rational choice theory in macroeconomics (he did not respond, so I gather my arguments were too strong to refute) where I explain these things (the concept of rational market actors) in details:

      “REPLY
      Pat Flannery
      November 30, 2016 at 11:06 am
      Tony Brogan: you say “any market left alone to itself will reach equilibrium”. That can never be true for the housing market because the supply of buildable land is limited. Without elasticity of supply there can be no equilibrium.
      You go on to say “if an increase in supply is not happening then there is an artificial constriction caused by something. Remove the constriction or expect higher prices. As there are so many housing related government projects one should look here first.”
      What if the supply of land is not just artificially constricted but physically impossible, because of geography e.g. Vancouver or San Diego? How will the free market achieve equilibrium in such a situation? It won’t, without government interference by zoning or tax legislation, as has been successfully applied in both Vancouver and San Diego.
      A free housing market without government interference results in chaos, as for example in Tijuana. Which city would you prefer to live in, Vancouver, San Diego or Tijuana?
      REPLY
      Grzegorz Kolodziej
      November 30, 2016 at 8:05 pm
      “That can never be true for the housing market because the supply of buildable land is limited. Without elasticity of supply there can be no equilibrium.”
      What kind of equilibrium you are talking about though?
      It would appear that you are talking about ther competitive static equilibrium, in which case we deal with homogenous products and almost perfect elasticity of supply.
      But equilibrium can also be dynamic (and besides, not all equilibria have to be competitive), that is it can change when if there is a change in demand or supply conditions, and this is the case with the housing market.
      “What if the supply of land is not just artificially constricted but physically impossible, because of geography e.g. Vancouver or San Diego? ”
      Why, what about it? Most not homogenous products have restricted supply. What about Modigliani paintings, or Bristol cars?
      And even on the homogenous products market, equilibria do not have to be competitive. Take the Cournot duopoly, which is a subset of the set of Nash equilibria. Now, take the case of your equilibrium being the outcome of some dynamic process. Is there an equilibrium, and what of what kind?
      Cournot argued that the equilibrium is stable using the stability concept implied by best response dynamics. Best response dynamics involves a developer starting from some arbitrary position and then adjusting output to their best-response to the previous output of the other developer.
      So long as the reaction functions have a slope of less than -1, this will converge to the Nash equilibrium.
      “How will the free market achieve equilibrium in such a situation?”
      It would appear that you are still confusing a static equlibrium with a dynamic one…
      A decrease in housing supply will disrupt the equilibrium, leading to higher prices. Eventually, a new equilibrium will be attained on the housing market – simple? Simple!
      “A free housing market without government interference results in chaos, as for example in Tijuana.”
      It is exactly the opposite. Government interference results in chaos due to:
      -planning regulations (see Ireland)
      - limited availability of skilled labour (see Ahern’s Ireland 2002-2007).
      - time delays in construction projects (see whatever government or the EU builds in Ireland, i.e. the Port Tunnel debacle)
      “Which city would you prefer to live in, Vancouver, San Diego or Tijuana?”
      Which city would you prefer to look for a flat – a totally government-regulated housing market socialist Moscow, where you would have to wait a few decades for a flat and where 50 square meters would be considered excessive, so that they would put a stranger into your flat because the state is unable to meet the demand with a supply – or Hongkong (or Eisenhower’s US)?
      And last but not least:
      In 50s US, with little government regulation, house cost twice the average earnings.
      In overregulated Obama’s US house cost 10 times the average earnings.
      Less regulation (including the zero-interest rates experiment) = bigger supply = better affordability
      Ain’t no brainer.
      REPLY
      Tony Brogan
      November 30, 2016 at 10:25 pm
      “Why, what about it? Most not homogeneous products have restricted supply. What about Modigliani paintings, or Bristol cars”
      That explains their hideously high prices and ownership restricted to the mega rich. You can do that to the housing market too. Limited supply of waterfront properties drives up the price. There are tons of places regular housing can be built.
      Near Victoria an obsolete limestone quarry was proposed to to be used as a 10,000 person new town. It was shut down by those who would rather see the land returned to its original hillside forest land. STUPID, STUPID, STUPID.
      On the other hand Stu Young the Mayor of suburb Langford past an edict that said a developer /builder deserves an answer within 30 days, to any proposal.
      Over the Last 25 years Langford is transformed from Dogpatch to Terra Nova. Huge housing construction, large commercial plazas, and box stores all reside in Langford. It thrives. But it is still the cheapest new housing area in Greater Victoria. But we still have the countries 3rd highest real estate prices.
      Put that down to too much positive advertising and the Victoria secret was displayed to the world. Now everyone wants to live here and the locals get pushed out.
      Still everyone would be better off with a Stu Young politician. Put the Market before Mantra. Free money before Fiat. Singapore or Hongkong before a stifled Europe or North America or indeed most of Africa and India.

      Tony Brogan
      November 30, 2016 at 10:27 pm
      countries = country’s”

      • dwalsh

        Hello Grzegorz Kolodziej
        Thank you for your lengthy replies
        Let me just point out that on this forum we share and discuss our perceptions and opinions of the socio-economic issue of the day. I read your posts and those of others in that spirit – as opinions. We do not demand credentials and accreditations of each other. That would be in bad taste, at the very least. And we do not express irritation at people expressing opinions on matters we believe we have already settled in other fora or media etc.
        All the best

        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          Hi dwalsh,
          I would like to mitigate my reply somewhat if that’s possible. Like I said, it is not my intention to denigrate that particular comment of yours (or any other of your comments, which I read), and I am sorry if it came across as snippy.

          The reason I asked that question was that when you say

          “A pseudo-rational a priori theoretical mathematical apparatus and methodology”,

          that is a very general statement that is, at the same time, quite a condemnation, so I was merely asking whether you would be willing to give any specific examples (this is not a sort of a punchy “comeback” to you, but rather I am – as you can see from my reply to Pat – very interested in concepts of rationality, in all areas: economics, philosophy of science, etc).

          True, my comment about sex techniques might have been taken as hurtful – but again, I thought that this was mitigated by my wink-wink emoticon indicating I am sticking with the auld rural Ireland tradition of slagging. If it was meant as trully snippy, it would be more like my reply to Bentley.

          Maybe I was slightly irritated, I do not know. I was slightly irritated at Pat, because one puts an effort to produce a thorough reply that, at the same time, would not be overly long and free from ad hominem attacks – and one is met with silence. I think it was a bit disrespectful of the voluntary work I am putting here to share my understanding and information to the best of my knowledge.

          One cannot, on the one hand, complain – even though Pat was, in hindsight, right on that – about ad hominem attacks replacing arguments on this blogs and portray oneself as hardcore rationalist in a secular tradition – and, when met with a thought-through, coherent and clearly structure counterarguments (related to rational choice and equilibrium), maintain a lofty silence.

          It ain’t cricket.

          P.S. I share your dislike of models in macroeconomics – the Austrian school, to which I am the closest, abandoned use of mathematical models completely. I would like to say that I have studied model theory (on a level mathematically deeper than Paul Krugman) and model theory is inherently flawed anyway (but what isn’t?).

          I remember that Paul Samuelson was absolutely the worst when it came to models – he used to change them every edition of his manual when his predictions did not come true.

          But I do wonder whether you might be confusing market fundamentalism with laissez-faire.

          Almost all post-war macroecomic western practice was, with very few exceptions, the opposite of laissez-faire. Rather, it was tyranny of regulation – from central banking to boom-bust cycles artificially created (a few years of boom, then artificial recession aimed at cooling down trade unions a bit, and back to artificial booms).

          But, like I said many times, this has ended with:
          - the emergence of Asia
          - the demographic cliff
          - hitting the debt wall (Mr Trump’s main challenge will be – and this is my prediction – that he can do as much construction as he wants, but with the bonds market inevitably collapsing and interest rates inevitably rising, he won’t be able to finance it unless he either tanks a dollar or balances the budget to rescue bonds market (but that would mean austerity)

          I guess all in all your reservations towards what you call market fundamentalism might be described as anger at the corporate welfare.

          In that I am with you.

          But where we might disagree is in my opinion, the biggest culprit in enabling the corporote welfare handouts is the central banking.

          And far from laissez-fair, that is the most overregulated sector of them all… Rather than being market fundamentalism, it is more stimulus fundamentalism (and if you listen to Krugman, he really is a fanatic: Obama incurring more debt than all the US Presidents before combined did not work? That’s because it still was not enough – says Krugman, laughing at the trickle-down economy – though noone has given so much to the 1% as President Obama).

          Best regards

          • Truthist

            LATEST ON KRUGMAN THE CAUCASIAN-HATER & CHRISTIAN-HATER ;

            One of Hillary Clinton’s biggest supporters throughout the election cycle, New York Times columnist and Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman, is now claiming that FBI Director James Comey and Russian President Vladimir Putin “installed” Donald Trump.

            Ever since it became clear that Trump would be the next President of the United States, Krugman has been lashing out in a big way on Twitter. His latest claims may be his most far fetched to date.

            https://sputniknews.com/us/201611281047941070-nyt-krugman-putin-fbi-trump/

            .
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            Paul Krugman Illustrates The Damaged Political Psyches Of The Left
            The election damaged the political psyche of liberals in ways that it will probably take a while for us to understand.
            Daniel Payne By Daniel Payne
            NOVEMBER 24, 2016
            I have to admit, I was surprised to read this particular rant by Paul Krugman, the Nobel-winning economist and columnist for the New York Times (he won the Nobel for his work on economics, not his writing). Having read a New York Magazine piece that theorizes that some state election machines may have been “hacked,” thereby costing Clinton the election, Krugman declared:

            [N]ow that it’s out there, I’d say that an independent investigation is called for…Without an investigation, the suspicion of a hacked election will never go away.
            Really: “never?” Well. Krugman quickly backed off after Nate Cohn challenged this thesis (so much for “never”), but a number of hours later he shared a Vox piece: “The election probably wasn’t hacked. But Clinton should request recounts just in case.” Just in case!
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            https://thefederalist.com/2016/11/24/paul-krugman-illustrates-the-damaged-political-psyches-of-the-left/

          • +1 on the economic observations Grzegorz.

          • dwalsh

            Well Grzegorz
            Looks like you were tired alright
            and too much multi-tasking
            But thanks anyway.

            About the free market – I know the reality is not a free market. I think that is implicit in my arguments. it certainly is in my understanding.

            Markets dominated by transnational cartels are not free markets. By free market they really mean, free unhindered access to the resources and labor markets of nations. Their common enemy is the sovereign government.

            The principles of neoliberalism are intellectually false and also phony.
            They dont do what it says on the tin.
            The whole thing is a scam to enrich the rich and control the world.

    • Grzegorz Kolodziej

      “A pseudo-rational a priori theoretical mathematical apparatus and methodology”

      Also – and this is NOT to denigrate your post which is interesting raises some valuable points – but did you actually study those things to have an opinion on that? What kind of mathematical/methodological education do you have? Your opinion must be followed by some specific examples, otherwise it would be like someone who never fucked talking about sex techniques ;-)

      P.S Cordial welcomes to Shane F. on this blog

      • dwalsh

        Hello Grzegorz Kolodziej

        There is enough in your reply to indicate why you might have been irritated by my comment; especially my criticism of neoliberalism; or rather the terms I choose to criticise neoliberalism in.

        But please, if we are to share our thoughts, be aware that in my mind your thoughts are opinions, not facts; and not true. This is important because people often mistake their own view of reality for reality itself; and this leads them to believe that people who view reality differently are either wrong or stupid or disingenuous. This usually results in replies laced with subtle insults and ad hominems.

        The statement you found most irritating was what I called the second intellectual foundation of neoliberalism. And I can understand why that might be so if you are a follower of the Austrian School. I consider the Austrian School the ultimate source of the “pseudo-rational a priori theoretical mathematical apparatus and methodology”.

        I am opposed to Austrian economics, so we are unlikely ever to see eye to eye on this matter.
        But I will say something about my opinion on the matter.

        I consider Austrian economics pseudo-rational because of it’s a priori basis and roots. For me human reason has two sides or aspects, both of which are essential to coherent rational thinking; the a priori aspect and the empirical aspect. Human thinking is not properly rational without both of these.

        Austrian economics at its source is founded on pure reason; by which I mean logic, geometry, mathematics. These are a priori mind created systems of great power as modelling systems. Within their own a priori domains they can produce absolute truths – of a sort; such as 1+1=2. But they cannot produce absolute truths about empirical reality – about the world.

        Human economics is a real world phenomenon (not a pure reason phenomenon) and thus a priori theories about human economics cannot be properly rational.

        Neoliberalism is founded on the fiction that the market left to its own devices (unregulated or planned) will spontaneously produce the greatest good for all; and the fiction that a priori pure reason is rationality, and thus an a priori mathematical apparatus and methodology is sufficient to produce rational economic theory.
        Both are false in my view

        But rather than go on about it I will it there for now
        All the best

        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          Dwalsh,

          I am not at all irritated at you, please do not think that!

          I said “I was slightly irritated at Pat, because one puts an effort…”. You have both touched on similar topics from a similar point of view, but unlike you, Pat, didn’t reply to me showing logical flaws in his arguments. At this came at the same, it made me irritated, but do not take that against you.

          I’m irritated because Pat now and again uses this method:

          1. Make generalised and radical statement on the nature of things
          2. Attack someone ad hominem (i.e. that David wrote his article for money paid by the Eurosceptic lobby, or that I put Donald Trump to shade)
          3. Complain about the lack of rational discussion on this blog
          4. Then my reply comes, showes flawed logic of Pat’s assumptions and his lack of proper research
          5. Pat always cowardly gets silent in such cases as if nothing happened
          6. If pushed, he gets vulgar (“you are a discgrace to your country”)
          7. Then, after a few weeks, he restarts his drama-queen whining about how much he is attacked and how polite and rational and secular he is and how all others are irrational and vulgar, and that includes the host of this blog. And that he would love to stay and comment, but provided we do not offend him – that is that we won’t expose his ignorance on economics (equilibrium) or that he himself uses ad hominem arguments more than the average on this blog, and far more than me.

          “Somebody may be financing his so-called economic commentary because they like what he is peddling.”

          Any evidence on that Pat, or – as in the equilibrium case – it is just one of those unfounded, irrational and snap judgements of yours?

          I am not saying whether that’s true or false – I am saying that if one comes with an accusation like that, one has to follow it with some evidence. There is much less circumstancial evidence that David is financed by Brexiteers than that President Higgins was financed by KGB – yet I would not state the latter.

          Now, as to specifics, and I’ll keep it brief:

          a) “my mind your thoughts are opinions”
          Yes, but they are educated opinions. I also reach for primary sources in forming my opinions on complicated matters (hence my question to you if you did; my intent in asking my question was not to question your credentials, because if you did not read any of the Austrians and I read them all, then there is no difference of opinions between us, but the difference of knowledge – maybe you did, but the question remains unaswered).

          b) “The statement you found most irritating was what I called the second intellectual foundation of neoliberalism.” – I am sad that you did not consider my educated opinion that what you call neoliberalism is in many aspects the opposite of the classical liberalism. I attribute the blame to myself: I probably was unable to express myself more clearly or attactively, hence our ongoing misunderstanding. We are only humans.

          c) “I can understand why that might be so if you are a follower of the Austrian School.” – no.

          I am closest to the Austrian School, but I am not its follower. Remember my long and raging debate with Tony on gold?

          I would say that I am to the Austrian school what David is to Kyenes – Keynes is the closest to him, but he is not uncritical to him, and sometimes he attacks Keynesian fundamentals (i.e. David considers debt as a big problem, for Keynes debt was never a problem).

          d) “I consider Austrian economics pseudo-rational because of it’s a priori basis and roots”
          Hmm… I see what you mean, but that’s not quite true. You might be shocked, but I would agree with you on that to a large extent, but that goes for von Mises more than for Hayek and Rothbard. Just out of curiosity, did you read any books by any of these authors?

          e) “I consider the Austrian School the ultimate source of the “pseudo-rational a priori theoretical mathematical apparatus and methodology”

          I wonder why though. The Austrian School disliked using mathematical apparatus and they almost never used it. You are not by any chance mistaking them with the 19th century Austrian economists?

          f) “Austrian economics at its source is founded on pure reason; by which I mean logic, geometry, mathematics.”

          You have lost me, I am sorry. Which work by which economists we are talking about? Besides, digressing from whether this is true, why using logic would be a negative?

          All readers of this blog use logic like all of them run (or were running at some stage) – so the difference is not who uses it, but uses it well (same as all people run, but some are good at running)…

          g) “These are a priori mind created systems of great power as modelling systems. Within their own a priori domains they can produce absolute truths – of a sort; such as 1+1=2. But they cannot produce absolute truths about empirical reality – about the world.”

          Twice on this blog I showed why this applies to Keynes the most. Krugman does the same. If Krugman’s model do not work, he tells us we did not apply them on a scale large enough.

          h) “Neoliberalism is founded on the fiction that the market left to its own devices (unregulated or planned) will spontaneously produce the greatest good for all;”

          No, that’s the classical school. This is not my opinion – these are facts.

          Like I said, you mistake neoliberalism with laissez-faire (that’s why I asked you to define it).

          Less and less markets are left to their own devices – see the percentage of GDP as state spending now and 120 years ago (40-60% now, 2-5% 100 years ago).

          To prove that your opinion on the Austrian school is unfounded, and in case you or any readers are interested in what the Austrian,please read this:

          http://econ.as.nyu.edu/docs/IO/35345/Scheall_Chapter2_Fall2014.pdf

          After reading this, you will reach the conclusion that you have been misled by whoever told you this all those things about the Austrian school, and that their conclusions were the opposite of what you ascribe them.

          “this leads them to believe that people who view reality differently are either wrong or stupid or disingenuous. This usually results in replies laced with subtle insults and ad hominems.”

          This is a brilliant description of Pat Flannery in rare moments when someone puts up arguments to which he cannot find any counterarguments – except his insults are not always subtle (I am a disgrace to my country, David has an agenda paid by the British, etc).

          The difference between me and Pat is that I have civil courage and I am honest with myself and Pat is a coward and dishonest with himself: on many occasions I wrote that I was wrong on something or that someone knows more about something than me or that I do not feel competent to answer to that particular topic.

          What Pat should have said was “Grzegorz, I do not know enough about the equilibrium to answer you properly; when I have time to read on the concepts that you outlined and that are new to me, I’ll get back to you”.

          But, like I said, he is a coward.

          You, for a change, are not a coward – you have the courage and honesty to say that this is your opinion and the other is mine, and they are different, and why – and you have the good manners to answer me.

          For that alone, I have respect to you regardless how much we differ in opinions (and I think we differ much less than you think)

          Best regards

          • dwalsh

            Neoliberalism is a new form of classical liberalism. A re-shaping of it. Historically its roots lie in the Austrian school and people like Mises and Hayek; eg the Mont Pelerin Society. It then moved into London and Chicago and development continued. eventually under Thatcher and Reagan it began to take over the Western economies and transform them.

            I accept I am not quite correct to characterise the early Austrians as mathematical economists; they were really philosophical economists; but their methodology was a priori reason – ie logic; which is not a sufficient basis for economics or any real world theory. But the development of the mathematical models and methodologies followed later and today they are dominant. People win Nobel prizes for mathematical economic equations – crazy! This is also partly on account of the development of computers. Computers are pure reason machines.

            Neoliberalism is based on the notion of free unregulated competitive markets; and the fiction that this will produce the greatest good etc. That’s the theory – the reality is quite different. In fact neoliberalism is a global coup by transnational corporations and their transnational institutions. We are exiting the era of the nation state – if they get their way.

            So there are a few points in response
            (partial I know)

            All the best

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            Hi, Dwalsh

            Where I live, which is a rugged island on the outskirts of Europe with an unusual feature that the only snow people are used to is cocaine, but compensated by an equally unsual feature that they say “sorry” all the time (maybe except courts of law – I have never heard from a hoodie “I’d like to emphasise that I am profoundly sorry I robbed your gaff” and from his victim “no worries, sorry to hear that you are sorry”), it is 10 to midnigt.

            So I won’t go on a lengthy reply.

            Allow me though to point out to two things and two things only.

            1. While I agree with you that “the reality is quite different. In fact neoliberalism is a global coup by transnational corporations and their transnational institutions”, what you seem to underestimate that not of that would have been possible if it was not for the symbiosis between central bankers and the Congress/EU Parliament.

            You are probably tired to hear that again, but I cannot but reiterate that we do not have laissez-fare, “free unregulated competitive markets” as you say.

            We have:

            a haon – Wild competition for the low income workers
            a dó – Socialism for the corporations and
            a trí – Unholy trinity (bankers, developers, trade unions) for the vanishing middle based on the Big Illusion of Wealth Based on Property

            For corporations to have THIS much power, a near-zero interest rate is necessary. That way, corporations can borrow money for free to buy back their own stocks and reinflate their value, which results in those three points above

            2. Bear in mind that what is now the EU did not emerge from the Mont Pelerin society, but from the visiot of Monet.

            There were two competing visions as to how Europe should be run: libertarian and that of French bureucracy (which is Byzantine civilsation in the sense of Koneczny).

            The Monet vision WON.

            “We are exiting the era of the nation state – if they get their way.”

            And pray, what was the pinnacle of the nation states era? Hmm? Eh? Why, the 19th century laissez-faire system! This was the era of nationalisms: Irish, British, Polish, Italian, Prussian I am sorry to say (we Poles should have incorporated them in 16 century rather than allowing them to be the vassal state of the Commonwealth of Poland and Lithuania – had we done that, there would have been no two world wars for Poland never before the Treaty of Kraków had any beef between Austria and Bavaria!

            Warm regards

            Grzegorz

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            beef between = beef with

            I am tired and this affects both my accuracy and typing speed

            P.S. According to the lecture I am listening to while typing and reading, the Japanese did not have the word “mercy” in their language until the 20s of the 20th century. I wonder if that’s true (any Japanese readers?) and I wonder when did it enter Irish. In Polish, this was around 10 century (with Christnianity).

    • Grzegorz Kolodziej

      “If you examine what we know of the secret globalist trade deals being constructed at the moment, such as the TPP and TTIP, what you find is not agreements designed to enhance how markets can serve human societies, but rather transnationally binding legal instruments to ensure that societies serve markets – specifically the private profits extracted from markets by corporations and investors. The trade deals are actually investor rights deals.”

      You are 100% right.

      But

      I want to point out that TPP, TTIP and CETA have nothing to do with free market – if they did, they would be written on one page

      • Grzegorz Kolodziej

        And why do I point it out – because the statement:

        “1. An irrational principle of market fundamentalism” (I assume you mean free market) is incosistent with the statement “They seek to maximise benefits to their transnational class of super wealthy owners and investors and their corporations (which are essentially private global empires).” – which is monopolistic/oligopolistic tendency (for more on that, please study my response to Pat Flannery under the previous article), which is the opposite to what you call “market fundamentalism” (do not tell me you vote for that old fart in presidential elections ;-).

  12. Grzegorz Kolodziej

    Some time ago I have come across of a jolly fantastic YouTube run by some Irishman (or woman). He or she posts links to documentary that are otherwise hard to find. I thought I’ll put up a link to his channel:

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC–Ru-Cve1fxhZ8m8xXxeUg

    Btw, recently I have reported on Facebook and YouTube censoring some patriotic channels in Poland (while allowing anonymous threats) and not bringing them back even after finding out that they were suspended or deleted illegally even according to their own internal laws (and the laws of the country in which they operate).

    Yesterday, I have found out that they are testing a censoring software they intend to use in China, and use Poland as a guinea pig (even more so because the German-foundations paid rioters demand foreign intervention to overthrow the legal government of overly soft and undecisive Beata Szydlo, some of them even openly). Facebooks representative in Poland is even partaking in street riots aimed at trigger a civil war (i.e., in the first Independence March during the regime of Mr Donald Tusk, they have invited German Antifa hooligans who started brutally attacking the veterans of the 1944 Warsaw Uprising, and when confronted with Polish football fans, they have escaped with their chains and knives and found refuge in the headquarters of the Polish Trotskyite magazine “Krytyka Polityczna”, run by a son of the Communist apparatchik and financed from abroad in 90%, mainly by Germany).

    This is 3 minute video of Antifa in Warsaw, English translation:

    Leftist hit squads from Germany disturbed the Independence day in Warsaw on 11 Nov 2011. They spat on Polish uniforms. They forced the historical reconstruction groups to change the route of the official state march.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIiJddrUBQE

    At the same time, the then PO (Civic Platform, financed by Germany) Interior Minister Sienkiewicz ordered the secret service to set a booth in the Russian Embassy on fire, which was then showed in the televisions all over the world (except for Ireland, which does not have a proper television) as the example of the Polish “fascism” and mythical Russophobia (the good auld Soviet method of provocation) to the uncritical western audiences.

    http://www.therebel.media/shock_video_i_was_attacked_by_anti_fascist_thugs_in_london

  13. Greetings from Mexico where a CAd is 15 pesos and a USD is 20 peso. A canadian works 33% more the same product!!!!!!!!!

    • how much more do you work ?

      • Sweet bugger all these days, John, as I eek out a megre pension and spend my assets to live.
        My body decays from inaction and my mind grows senile as I waffle about from day to day wondering what to do next.
        Apart from that I garden at home delighting in savings from growing my own produce. Even more delight in eating fresh non GMO organically grown food.

        • Pat Flannery

          Tony Brogan: don’t forget to check out their utopian lifestyles down there. It is what the US would look like under similar free markets without government “interference”. In any case enjoy the cheap cerveza and tequila.

          • Your a “real ” socialist Pat!!!!
            I don’t advocate no government. Just the least possible. You are welcome to the EUSSR

          • The!950-70′s was the epitome of US lifestyle, Pat. Same in Canada. Since the early 1070″ the standard OF LIVING IS DOWN 60% AND FALLING FAST NOW.
            That is the cause of the Trump vote and Brexit too.
            The acute correlation between the final break with the gold standard in 1971 and the growth of debt and inflation is undeniable.

            The one thing that must be present for a free market to flourish is the rule of law. Once law can be set aside or broken with impunity then the corrupt move in until the whole of society is corrupted. We are there. Free markets are not in existence and have not been ever since the formation of the central bank money which is a fraud from day one. Allowing the production of fraudulent money in extremis is to allow corruption to flourish within society until every honest person is submerged and destroyed.
            The US lead the charge in this and since 1913 has forced its corruption on the rest of the world in the name of democracy. What a joke. Free markets are not allowed in any sphere of influence of the US. They have overthrown many governments, destroyed countries and presided over authoritarian “friendly ” regimes all over the world.

            The US is the last place on earth to look for a free marketplace of any sort.

        • Pat Flannery

          Tony Brogan: your reply to John ALLEN “Sweet bugger all these days, John, as I eek out a megre pension and spend my assets to live” may explain your obsession with gold and your distrust of all fiat money: your “assets” are denominated in paper money.

          You called me a “real” socialist (your intended meaning I don’t understand). Perhaps you meant that you on the other hand are a “real” capitalist, which is difficult to reconcile with you having to watch your hard-earned paper assets getting eaten up by the capitalist system. Maybe some time when you get a chance you might explain, as I am genuinely trying to understand you. Meantime have a Pacífico for me.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            Pat,

            “you on the other hand are a “real” capitalist, which is difficult to reconcile with you having to watch your hard-earned paper assets getting eaten up by the capitalist system.”

            Since when QE, central banking and bailing out the banks are part of the capitalist system?

            “Maybe some time when you get a chance you might explain, as I am genuinely trying to understand you.”

            Maybe some time when you will have moral integrity to refer to my kind reply to you regarding the concept of equlibrium which in my opinion you do not fully grasp, which opinion you were either unable ot too rude to refute.

            To paraphrase you: your intended meaning of equilibrium I do not understand.

            “Without elasticity of supply there can be no equilibrium.”
            “What if the supply of land is not just artificially constricted but physically impossible, because of geography e.g. Vancouver or San Diego? How will the free market achieve equilibrium in such a situation?”

            I have just kindly explained to you that’s incorrect and why. Now, if you are unable to address that, that’s fine by me, but bear in mind that because of that less people on this blog will take you seriously from now on.

            P.S. I do not call you socialist, just in case you might have any doubts. Michael D is a socialist. And I do not call you stupid (heaven forfend). Michael D is stupid.

            I think you are a well educated person with deep knowledge of the inner workings of Irish politics with incredibly valuable experience in the world, who probably just happened to have missed some classes in the first semester of microeconomcs, as well as the game theory module (without studying of which one cannot talk sense about equilibria and rational market agents).

            In that, you remind me of Paul Krugman a bit (you might be much smarter than him), who knows a lot about a few things, but does not know anything about anything else, hence he keeps missing the big picture and is consistently wrong in his predictions (now, I am not saying your predictions were wrong,

            but

            these are my impressions of the last few years reading your posts (brilliant if you talk about specifics, unsubstantiated when it comes to systemic conclusions) and – hey, silencing me does not disprove my impressions (though your past post on derivatives v securatisation was perhaps the best of all posts here)).

          • Truthist

            Yes, Grzegorz, Pat’s post on Derivatives V.s Securatisation was absolutely brilliant.

          • No Pat, I implied nothing to myself. I suggested that all your solutions involve the use and coercion of the state and government.

            There is no capitalist system any more Pat. It is long gone eaten up by Government rules, regs, and the complicit amalgamation with big business and central bankers. We have, crime, corruption and business and banking all wrapped up in a truly fascist flag. All is manipulated. Not one report can be relied on and the press are pure propagandists supporting the criminal exercise that passes for a free nation these days.
            It is too lazy and pat to blame the problems on capitalism and free markets when there have been none for many years.
            There is a reason that the standard of living for the general population is nose diving. It is directly correlated with and caused by the fiat money operations of the central bankers. I’ve explained many times why the money system we have is a Ponzi scheme. There has been zero comment, denial or support of that information.
            I conclude that most people are dense, not understanding, Understand and do not give a ……..! of agree with the fact and have given in to hopeless subjugation.
            The markets will eventually regain prominence and when they do it will be free markets overpowering corruption, Proper healthy wealth creating capitalism overcoming the greed and graft of the politicians and corporate shysters.
            Unfortunately as soom as there is real productivity gains the socialists will step up with outstretched hands demanding that the wealthy pay their fair share. in the meantime they will have created none of the wealth they demand a share of.
            Be prepared for rising interest rates. Bond value collapses, more expensive mortgages, collapsing realestate prices and job losses, and a collapsed stock market. All around as the great reset bights the hardest those who least expect it.
            The timing is unpredictable as there is no market on which to base predictions. BUT it could , like the next earthquake be any day.

            http://www.jsmineset.com/2016/12/03/we-have-killed-capitalism-jim-sinclair/

          • Can’t find a Pacifico at present, but be sure I will toast your continued good health with my next sip of anything over 3.5%. :)

  14. Pat Flannery

    Judging by his extensive use of quotes from his TV3 “Agenda” interview with Farage, David’s latest Indo column looks more like a promo for Farage’s anti-EU campaign than media commentary. Even the title of his latest piece “Ireland may quit EU” is loaded. It has been clear for a long time that David has an anti-EU anti-Euro “Agenda”, the trouble is where it is all coming from. Somebody may be financing his so-called economic commentary because they like what he is peddling.

    Britain’s old fear of a resurgent Germany still dominates European power politics. The British have never accepted the Maastricht Treaty, the unification of East and West Germany nor the Euro (which they see as the Deutsche Mark on steroids). They are still fighting the same old war with Germany (WWI and WWII) only now with propaganda.

    The big multinational company Liberty Global that owns TV3, doesn’t care what the Agenda is so long as it gets paid. Somebody had to finance this six episode production and sell it to TV3. I just wonder who that “somebody” is as I doubt that David could have financed it on his own. Producing a six episode TV show is quite different from writing a regular newspaper column for a writer’s fee. David is first and foremost a businessman.

    • British history shows a 700 year contest with France and occasional resistance from a selection of European powers , Holland, Spain, Portugal, and latest France not forgetting Russia. Ireland was always a thorn in the backside.
      The latest British revolt as simply the hinterland not wanting to be taken for granted and absorbed into the melting pot of multiculturalism. Although in the major cities they are too late, a visit to the countryside shows little change in a 1000 years

  15. michaelcoughlan

    Hi David,

    My VHI bill for my family is 25% higher this year than last year. My car insurance is the same about 25% higher.

    Now guess what? The WAR on cash continues. The ECB are going to stop printing the 500 euro note from 2018 on;

    https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/pr/date/2016/html/pr160504.en.html

    The 500 euro note represents one third of the total value of EU cash currency in circulation David.

    Any chance you or someone like you would sound the klaxon;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_9KR3mYkUo

    Because Farage knows that the war in cash will force us out if nothing else does.

    • Hello Michael.

      Insurance companies used to have decent investment income from the invested premiums. Now with interest rates at 1/5th of what they were a short time ago there is much reduced income. Hence rising premiums to compensate.

  16. Mike Lucey

    Michael,

    The ECB site says, ‘€500 banknote remains legal tender and will always retain its value’, so it will be safe enough for you leave the stuffed mattress alone!

  17. McCawber

    Ronnie Delaney – Ireland’s greatest ever athlete.
    Bedlam Michelle De Bruin winning her swimming golds – definitely not part of the script.
    Nigel Farage – Robert Bruce.
    If at first you don’t succeed. ….

    Ronnie Delaney – Met him once, had his individed attention for ten minutes and totally blew the chance to ask him the following questions.
    We’ve all had days when everything goes righ, you feel almost invincible.
    Was the day you won gold one of those days. Did you feel/know it was one of those days and most importantly of all was it something you were able to control, that you were able to intentionally get into that zone of invincibility.
    If any of you ever get to meet Ronnie; ask him that series of questions.
    How did I meet Ronnie.
    I was about 26 years old and there was a bus strike on so I was thumbing a lift home from work. (I was on Foxrock road)
    A fairly posh car pulled over and I hopped.
    It was dark so I didn’t see the driver’s face.
    But as soon as he spoke I knew who he was.
    He has been my sporting hero ever since.
    A nay THE Giant of Irish Sporting Achievement.

    Oh and don’t forget to report back on your encounter with Ronnie.

  18. McCawber

    As regards staying in the EU or leaving.
    I think it could take quite a long time for Brexit to actually happen.
    Assuming however it did happen then it’s quite likely that we would be pushed out of the EU because the price of staying in would be too high.
    NOW this raises one very simple question.
    If Ireland left the EU, for whatever reason, what is to stop Ireland continueing to use the Euro as it’s currency, legally and practically speaking.
    Depending on the considered opinions on that question there are a few follow on questions but I’ll keep you in suspense for the moment.

    • I do not see why not. Anyone can use the US dollar or whatever. Why not the Euro? Whybother. get your own currency backed by your own state and issued from treasury. pay off all debts with the free new currency. Nothing anyone can do about it.
      No national debt and No budget deficits.
      Fantastic opportunity for the 16 anniversary. It just needs the courage that is sadly lacking!! :)

      • mike flannelly

        Im sure David could call it fixing the balance sheet. He has a super notion about fixing balance sheets.

      • McCawber

        The rest of the world would be unlikely to accept our currency as payment for debt.

        • Truthist

          They will if they can buy up our assets with it.

          I have a problem with this proposition of just simply paying of what is for the most part “spurious” — not just “odious” — debt with new regime of treasury token money [ only paper fiat AND it not backed by Gold ( even at less than 100 % ) ] currency.
          We should be campaigning against responsibility for the spurious part of the debt,
          vis.
          “We really do not owe it.
          Therefore, we should not pay it.”

  19. Truthist

    @ Grzegorz,
    .
    Corelating with a theme [ notion of an unusual idea becoming mainstream very quickly is called an ‘Overton window’ after Joseph Overton, an American political theorist. ] in David’s article above, I would greatly welcome ur thoughts on my observation that
    .
    LANDLORDISM
    .
    [ incl.
    Landlording,
    being a Tenant,
    being a neighboring Tenant,
    interacting with government interlopers :
    Residential Tenancy Board [ farce ],
    Ombudsman as justice / injustice facility per Rent Allowance matters [ ditto farce ],
    Health Executive [ Community Welfare Officers ] as requirement for getting Rent Allowance [ ditto farce ],
    Housing Authority as requirement for getting Rent Allowance [ ditto farce ], Revenue Commisioners [ ditto farce ],
    Legal Aid Board [ Creation of Mary -- the l..r -- Robinson ( former Prezzie of Irish State, & still a Bilderburger, & probably much worse than the Bilderburgs too ]
    & the gatekeeper aul rental sector “charity” [ Haa, Haa, Haa ] outfit Threshold [ Gatekeeeper for Institutional State of Irish State ( I.S.I.S. ) ] whO in most cases want to know all of the aggreived Tenant’s strengths & weaknesses, & then connive with landlord, & Irish State interlopers, to then sabotage the tenant,
    & now the wholly corrupted Simon Community [ originally very noble ] [ Now, ditto farce ],
    & the wholly corrupted St. Vincent de Paul [ originally noble ] [ Now, ditto farce ]
    inter alia
    .
    OF COURSE, AULD IRISH STATE TRICK IS TO CHANGE THE NAME OF THE ORGANISATION — INCL. DEPARTMENT — SO AS TO CON THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION ;
    SO, THIS IMPORTANT FEATURE MUST ALWAYS BE BORNE IN MIND.
    .
    IS
    CRASS !

  20. Truthist

    Do not be daunted by the bastards & bitches ;
    SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH !
    POST THE TRUTH !
    .
    Everyone who can now see your entire internet history, including the taxman, DWP and Food Standards Agency
    .
    EXCERPT ;
    .
    The full list of agencies that can now ask for UK citizens’ browsing history, which is laid out in Schedule 4 of the Bill and was collected by Chris Yiu, is below:

    Metropolitan Police Service
    City of London Police
    Police forces maintained under section 2 of the Police Act 1996
    Police Service of Scotland
    Police Service of Northern Ireland
    British Transport Police
    Ministry of Defence Police
    Royal Navy Police
    Royal Military Police
    Royal Air Force Police
    Security Service
    Secret Intelligence Service
    GCHQ
    Ministry of Defence
    Department of Health
    Home Office
    Ministry of Justice
    National Crime Agency
    HM Revenue & Customs
    Department for Transport
    Department for Work and Pensions
    NHS trusts and foundation trusts in England that provide ambulance services
    Common Services Agency for the Scottish Health Service
    Competition and Markets Authority
    Criminal Cases Review Commission
    Department for Communities in Northern Ireland
    Department for the Economy in Northern Ireland
    Department of Justice in Northern Ireland
    Financial Conduct Authority
    Fire and rescue authorities under the Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004
    Food Standards Agency
    Food Standards Scotland
    Gambling Commission
    Gangmasters and Labour Abuse Authority
    Health and Safety Executive
    Independent Police Complaints Commissioner
    Information Commissioner
    NHS Business Services Authority
    Northern Ireland Ambulance Service Health and Social Care Trust
    Northern Ireland Fire and Rescue Service Board
    Northern Ireland Health and Social Care Regional Business Services Organisation
    Office of Communications
    Office of the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland
    Police Investigations and Review Commissioner
    Scottish Ambulance Service Board
    Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission
    Serious Fraud Office
    Welsh Ambulance Services National Health Service Trust

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/investigatory-powers-bill-act-snoopers-charter-browsing-history-what-does-it-mean-a7436251.html

  21. Truthist

    Five things you need to know about Steve Mnuchin

    By Michelle Fleury

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-38012410

  22. Truthist

    Buying of the President 2016
    Donald Trump offering huge perks for inauguration donors
    President-elect offering access, luxury in exchange for big money

    By Carrie Levineemail 4:07 pm, November 29, 2016

    EXCERPT ;

    Donald Trump’s inaugural committee is offering huge perks — prime tickets, luxurious lodging, access to the president-elect himself — in exchange for six- and seven-figure contributions from individual and corporate contributors.
    .
    .
    https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/11/29/20486/donald-trump-offering-huge-perks-inauguration-donors

  23. Truthist

    Undeniable Photographic Evidence That Martin Nesbitt & Dr. Anita Blanchard Nesbitt Are the True Parents of Sasha and Malia Obama

    This is more evidence to assert the case that Michelle Obama is really MICHAEL Obama.
    And, Michael / Michelle 8-) is currently being touted as serious contender as next USA President.

    EXCERPT ;

    Nov. 27, 2016, showing the photo of a Chicago couple, Marty and Dr. Anita Blanchard Nesbitt (right), close friends of Barack and Michelle, placed above a photo of Sasha and Malia Obama in which the physical resemblance between Sasha and Malia to the Nesbitts is striking, convincing and indisputable. The video got 672,516 views in the space of a single day because the Youtuber (FisherOfMen2) titled his video: “Obamas Kids Are Adopted!! I Found The Real Parents!! 2016″

    Actually, it was Dr. Eowyn of Fellowship of the Mind who apparently was the first to suggest that the Nesbitts were the real parents of Sasha and Malia Obama in an article he posted at his web site on November 29, 2013, 3 years ago, titled:

    “Where are Obama’s daughters’ baby pics and birth records?”
    Posted on November 29, 2013 by Dr. Eowyn | 541 Comments https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2013/11/29/where-are-obamas-daughters-baby-pics-and-birth-records/

    What the self congradulatory Youtuber did was a simple Google image search of the Nesbitts, having acquired their names from the Eowyn article, and then compared their photo to those of Sasha and Malia. That’s hardly the same thing as “discovering” the Nesbitts were the real parents.

    I did my own search of Google images and captured images from a few Youtube videos and found many photos showing the remarkable similarity in physical features between the Nesbitts and the “Obama” kids. How will historians treat this absurd farce in 20 or 40 years from now? You have a homosexual, non citizen posing as President with his homosexual transvestite “wife” posing as the biological parents of two girls who are the natural children of Marty and Anita Nesbitt.

    Who could do something like this with their own kids? The Obamas are not human beings, but rather cloned, human-alien hybrids. so I don’t expect too much, but what about the Nesbitts? What sort of payoff do they get for farming out their own kids as the pretend ‘offspring’ of Barack and Michelle?

    Or is it possible that the kids are test tube babies, grown in a surrogate mother, using DNA from the Nesbitts?

    Now, that’s a definite possibility – and Ken Adachi of educate-yourself.org originated the idea on Nov. 28, 2016 on this page.

    Take a look !

    http://educate-yourself.org/cn/Undeniable-Photographic-Evidence-That-Martin-Nesbitt-and-Dr-Anita-Blanchard-Nesbitt-Are-the-True-Parents-of-Sasha-and-Malia-Obama28nov16.shtml#top

  24. Truthist

    @ Grzegorz,

    I purposely atimes reply as new post because the prompting post is physically too far up the discussion.
    And, this is the case here.
    .
    Re ; Aryan etc.
    .
    There is also the case for Erin.
    And, I conjecture Aran ;
    “Aran Islands”
    .
    .
    Re ; West to East in ad variance to the orthodox theory of East to West
    .
    Hebrew Script
    There is an argument that the Hebrew script originated in Ireland, & somehow ended up being used by the Hebrews in the Levant or wherever hot & sandy place they were then.
    .
    Ying & Yang symbol, & Ying & Yang philosophy originated in Ireland ;
    Or at least likely Ying & Yang is derived from Triskelle symbols & Triskelle philosopy that originated in Ireland.
    Not necessarily from the Celts who settled in Ireland.
    Offhand, I think the sequence is :
    1st
    Fir Bolg [ possibly Germanic tribe "Belig" that is alleged source of country's name Belgium ]
    2nd
    Tuatha De Danann ;
    Tribe of Dan
    Worshippers of the God or Goddess ? Danu
    Defeated the Fir Bolg in battle
    3rd
    Millesians ;
    Grandmother of Millesians who landed in Ireland was Scota [ a daughter of an Egyptian King / Pharaoh ]
    I think that the Millesians were also Hebrews
    Anyway, Ireland was attributed as inhabited by Hebrews according to Greek scholars & Romans.
    Hence, Roman name for Ireland is “Hiber-nia” or “Hibernia”
    4th
    Gaels
    5th
    Celts

    I am a touch lazy to look up about the sequence of Gaels & Celts.

    Anyway, when I was growing up it was said to me 1st by a humble hard working & honest pauper with sharp mind ;
    “Never forget that we Irish are really Jews.”
    Of course, this contention would be a killer blow for most ;
    Because, most wish we were descended from ur “wonderful Greeks”.
    Anyway, the evidence that the existing core people of ancient Ireland are really Hebrews is overwhelming ;
    Pre the Vikings & Normans that is.
    Eustace Mullins [ the 1st investigative scholar -- not G. Edward Griffen whom Mullins accuses of plagiarizing Mullin's famous book "The Secrets of the Federal Reserve" ( available free online as PDF ) uncovering the secrets of private central banking & Griffin also in so doing performed a damage limitation for sake of Rothschilds ] in his book The Curse of Canaan — also available online for free as PDF — is emphatic that the Irish are the Hebrews.
    Scota is said to have landed in Kerry.
    This, may be the source for John Allen’s claim that an empire reigned from Kerry area.
    But, not 50,000 years ago.
    Of course, there were no counties until the British colonised Ireland.
    Subdividing into counties was for ease of ruling / controlling.
    Amusing how nationalistic Irish are so proud of their particular county.
    Also, accounts for the world class cunning of Kerry folk & West Cork folk 8-)
    .
    Re ; Village kidnapped into slavery by Barbary pirates that u refer to
    .
    It was just one of many in a long list.
    But, got written as exceptional because the populace actually were English settlors.
    Also, the captain of those Barbary pirates was from Holland ;
    But, that is not meant to say that he was Dutch.
    .
    Until the Vikings came, there was no red hair in Ireland.
    The Vikings were sent by there manipulators to destroy Irish Christianity because Irish missionaries were the chief cause of Christianity’s survival & growth in Europe.
    And, this much to the intense hatred of the manipulators.
    .
    All “blue” eyes originate from 1 man ;
    So, I am reliably informed by a scientist.
    I wonder who is / are the earliest attributed with blue eyes.
    Any mention in the Old Testament ?
    .
    Slavic grammar structure & Slavic words common to Gaeilge is probably because of later arrivals the Celts or even the Vikings.
    .
    Coming full circle to ur frequent mention of Iran in ur post as to origins of Slavs

    The cosmopolitan degenerates — incl. some Irish Army’s Ranger Wing elite soldiers training them — who took opportunity to join Mshd-CIA-MI6-Saudi-French Secret Services “false flag” ISIS & who for sure are not real Muslims but just similar degenerates as Castro depleted on USA from prisons etc. & Soviets were ready to invade Japan for to rape Japanese women & children prior to Pearl Harbour event, are just savoring to attack Iran ;
    Especially, since Iranian women are reputed to be arguably the most beautiful of all.
    Folks such as Hillary Clinton live vicariously for the raping & brutal murdering of whomsoever is deemed only cattle.

    • Grzegorz Kolodziej

      “Roman name for Ireland is “Hiber-nia” or “Hibernia”

      Now, that does not make sense: Hibernia means “frozen land” in Latin (and it was Romans who called it Hibernia), nothing to do with the land of Hebrews (that would be Hebraeunia).

      “There is also the case for Erin.
      And, I conjecture Aran ;
      “Aran Islands””

      But if you read my post carefully, you will see that this is not incosistent with what I wrote: both Arbins and Arains were wondering around all Europe (it just happened that they have stayed in Poland the longest, and the Poles have most Aryan haplopgroup), which does not mean they were doing that at the same time. For example, it is possible that Aryans arrived to Aran islands earlier than to what is now Poland.

      Also, like I said, both Arbins and Aryans share common ancesstors, and only when they started coming across Germanic, Iberian, Celtic and Itallic tribes, they started abandoning their languages.

      As I showed in details in the past, Irish and Slavic languages show deep grammar similarities proving without a doubt that these two tribes must had mixed up at some stage before they mixed up with Germanic tribes.

      I have to study John Allen’s book to form an opinion on his theory (maybe I’ll do it at Christmas?).

      I do not feel competent enough to refer to some of his claims, except that a figure of 50,000 years seems a bit too big to me (30,000 years ago Aryans did not branch off from the Arbins – so can one talk about Celts, Slavs, etc – let alone Poles or Irish?

      But this is only my first logical conclusion AND I MIGHT BE WRONG WHILE JOHN MIGHT BE RIGHT.

      I will read his links, that’s for sure.

      • Grzegorz Kolodziej

        “For example, it is possible that Aryans arrived to Aran islands earlier than to what is now Poland.”

        I looked at that sentence and thought it does make sense in terms of cause and effect. What I mean is that roughly speaking, genetically western fringes of Europe are Arbins, eastern are Aryans, and everything in between is mixture of both with Italics, Germans and Celts.

        But we have all those names: Eire, Eireann, Aran islands, Ireland (remember, Iran is “Aryan” and Poles are reletively close genetically to Iranians, compared to, say, Turks). So why do we have those names if Ireland is genetically Aryan in to a very little extent, and Arbinian in a large sense?

        Aryans might have arrived in Ireland earlier via western Africa/Iberia (hence the stuff with Dogon and Fulda tribes haplotypes), and then witdraw – as they went from Europe/Middle East to India, and then came back via the Great Steppe (when they domesticated horses, the Great Steppe was what Atlantic was to maritime powers after the Great Geograhic Discoveries).

        And then Arbins might have come to Ireland (reminder: judging by haplotypes, the Irish are not Arbins – they are a m i x t u r e of wandering Arbins with domestic Celts).

        Now, this makes much more sense than my sentence which does not explain why Ireland is “Arbinian” and its names are “Aryan”.

        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          and then withdraw – as they went from Europe/Middle East to India = in the same way as they went from Europe/Middle East to India

      • Truthist

        I respectfully beg to differ about the issue of the name Hibernia.
        .
        Meanwhile for ur perusal, I give the following extracts + link of the book, & also other useful links :
        Of course, we must remind ourselves that we are all the descendants of the same original man & woman.
        Thus, it would be silly for others reading this thread to depart from our strict scholarly angle that we employ whereupon they get haughty or even despondent or somehow defensive about their ultimate perceived origins other than the aforesaid common original man & woman that at least, even to atheists & agnostics & skeptics other than agnostics, for convenience we shall call Adam & Eve.
        .
        EXCERPT 1
        .
        Tamar, mother of Pharez and Zarah, had a descendant named Tamar Tephi, known in Irish legend as “the daughter of Pharaoh.” She married Eochaidh, king of Ireland, who was known as
        the Prince of the Scarlet Thread.
        Thus the two lines of Pharez and Zarah were again reunited.
        The Scarlet Thread subsequently became an integral part of British history.
        A red thread is symbolically woven into every rope which is used by the Royal Navy; and every British monarch has delivered to him official documents which are wrapped with a red cord.
        The term also survives in “red tape,” that is, the official red cord which must be unwound before any state business is transacted.
        There is also the red carpet which tradition required to be unrolled before royalty walks in.
        Before he would give Tamar in marriage, Heremon, the father of Tamar, demanded that serpent worship and the rites of Bel, which were then practiced in Ireland, be renounced.
        The serpents then disappeared from Ireland, and there are no poisonous serpents there today.
        A later legend is that St. Patrick expelled the serpents from Ireland. Both legends call attention to the demonic practices of the Canaanites, as well as their descent from the serpent; its banishment established
        Ireland as a land of the true religion of YHWH, or the descendants of Shem.
        The disappearance of the serpents also signified that the evil powers of the Canaanites had vanished from Ireland.
        Both Spain and Ireland show their direct connection to the descendants of Shem in their names.
        Spain occupies the Iberian Peninsula, from Iber, or Hebrew; Ireland is known 18 Hibernia, the land of the Hebrews, as are the Hebrides Islands. In his History of Ireland, Roger Chauvire says that Ireland is the last remaining part of Atlantis which is still above the surface of the sea.
        In his History of Ireland, A. M. Sullivan writes of the legendary origin of the present Irish race.
        “The Milesian colony reached Ireland from Spain, but they were not Spanish.
        They were an eastern people who had tarried in that country on their way westward, seeking, they aid, an island promised to the posterity of their ancestor Gadelius. Gadelius was the son of Niul, who was the youngest son of the King of Scythia.
        As a child, Gadelius had been bitten by a poisonous serpent. He was near death when his father persuaded Moses to use his rod to cure him.
        From that day, the Milesians carried westward their banner, which was emblazoned with a dead serpent and the rod of Moses, until they found an island which had no poisonous snakes.”
        The sons of Milesius, Gadelius’ descendants, who sailed from Spain to Ireland were Heber the Fair, Amergin, Colpa, Heber the Brown, Ir, and Heremon.
        Their descendants ruled Ireland for one thousand years, the dynasty being established by Niall (Niul), who ruled at Tara from 310 to 405.
        He is described by Sullivan as “a splendid hero of the Gaelic blood, tall, fair-haired and blue-eyed, a great and noble-minded warrior, ‘kind in hall and fierce in fray’; from him
        descended the kings of Ireland, the Neills.”
        These conquerors of Ireland, the Milesians, derived their name from Milesius, the soldier (from the Latin miles, from which we get the word militia).
        Gadelius, the founder of the line, derived his name from the Hebrew “gadil,” meaning to become great, or in plural the exalted, the fortune-seekers, or the fortunate ones. Because of their great pride and their natural abilities, the Irish were later referred to as being from “the Land of Kings.” Of almost any Irishman, it could be boastfully said, “Sure, and he’s the descendant of kings.”
        From earliest records, the Irish and the Britons are shown to be historic enemies.
        Apuleius wrote in 296 A.D. of the “two races, the Britons and Ibernia.”
        Eumenius always wrote of Hibernia as the enemy of Briton. Caesar’s Notes on the Gallic Wars, 58-50 B.C., wrote of “Hibernia, west of Britain.”
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        https://ia802704.us.archive.org/23/items/EustaceMullins-TheCurseOfCanaanADemonologyOfHistory1987/EustaceMullins-TheCurseOfCanaanADemonologyOfHistory1987.pdf
        .
        .
        Eustace Mullins – The Curse of Canaan (Full Show)
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        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U31W4A9drLU
        .
        .
        Also, please appreciate that as with every person I refer to as source of worthy evidence or argument, I do not completely agree with them on all fronts.
        But, hey, that’s OK.
        .
        e.g.
        .
        I am not shy to note privately to myself at least — yes, a paradox of sorts — slips of the pen, & anomalies, & non-sequiturs or worse.

        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          In fairness, unlike many Roman geographical names, the Latin “Hibernia” did not become the basis for the name for Ireland in any modern languages (Italians, so post-Romans use Irlanda, Poles use Irlandia).

          Interesting info on the Irish ethymology of the red tape.

          I can add that the royal purple was commonly used in mediaeval Europe, the reasons was that it was one of two most expensive dyes. The reasons why it was so expensive was because in order to produce one purple coat for a king, a secretion was needed that was produced by several species of predatory sea snails in the family Muricidae, rock snails originally known by the name Murex, giving the colour known as the Tyrian purple.

          A red cloth emblazoned with the White Eagle of the arms of Poland was the Banner of the Kingdom of Poland.

          Here for your pleasure I am posting the image of the coat of arms of the Commonwealth of Poland and Lithuania (1555); the Commonwealth was a progenitor of the United States of America (Thomas Jefferson was studying it very carefully; he had De Senatore by Grzymala-Goslicki, from which book both Montesquieu and Locke copied their ideas).

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Poland#/media/File:Arras_006.jpg

          Of course, being a person so interested in history, you must have heard that West Slavic peoples were called Lechites, Poles were only one of many, many tribes of Lechites, though the strongest one.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lechites

          Interestinly, Iceland’s name, which has a lot of “Slavic-Aryan” haplogroup, is, audio-transcribed, Lealthetith (genetic research shows that haplogroup R1a1a was a result of the common ancesstors of western Slavs and Scandinavians interbreeding around 5,000 years ago, whereby the Scandinavian haplogroup is younger than Slavic), .

          Archeological research on the north of Iceland (in the vicinity of the lake Myvatn) revealed three Slavic dugouts in the settlement Sveigakot.

          Btw – what does the “Pole” mean? Pole comes from the old-slavic word “polje” (polye) and means field.

          This maps shows it in a very clear way:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polans_(western)#/media/File:West_slavs_9th-10th_c..png

      • terryhewett

        As I read it “Hibernia” and “Ireland” are respectively Latin and English extrapolations of Éire/Ériu.

    • comments on the name Galizia and synonyms, indicating many areas likely settled by the Gaelic speaking Celts.I do not think the Gallic peoples of western europe were Gaelic speaking as along with their cousins spoke a language more akin to modern day Welsh, Cymric, which also survives as Breton but is lost now on Cumbria and cornwall.

      “The Ukrainian name Halych (?????) (Halicz in Polish, ????? in Russian, Galic in Latin) comes from the Khwalis[citation needed] or Kaliz[citation needed] who occupied the area from the time of the Magyars. They were also called Khalisioi[citation needed] in Greek, and Khvalis (??????) in Ukrainian. Some historians[a] speculated it had to do with a group of people of Thracian origin (i.e. Getae)[12] that during the Iron Age moved into the area after Roman conquest of Dacia and may have formed the Lypytsia culture with the arrived Venedi people who moved in the region at the end of Le Tene period (La Tene culture).[12] The Lypytsia culture supposedly replaced the existing Thracian Hallstatt (see Thraco-Cimmerian) and Vysotske cultures.[12] Connection with Celtic peoples supposedly explains its relation to many similar place names found across Europe and Asia Minor, such as ancient Gallia or Gaul (modern France, Belgium, and northern Italy) and Galatia (modern Turkey), the Iberian Peninsula’s Galicia, and Romanian Gala?i.[12] Others[who?] assert that the name has Slavic origins – from halytsa, meaning “a naked (unwooded) hill”, or from halka which means “jackdaw”. The jackdaw was used as a charge in the city’s coat of arms and later also in the coat of arms of Galicia. The name, however, predates the coat of arms, which may represent canting or simply folk etymology.”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Eastern_Europe)

      On the other hand there is the story of King Breogan whose great grandsons (Milesius’ sons) invaded Ireland. There is a museum in A Caruna with all the details. The current Tower of Hercules sits on the original site of the tower of Brigantia, named for the Brigantees, who settled Briton and Ireland.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breog%C3%A1n

      • Grzegorz Kolodziej

        I am not sure if you have ever been to Kraków, Tony, but if you were, you would have noticed that Cracovians call the region of the Lesser Poland (Malopolska) “Galicja” :-)

        Galicjan cuisine is common to Lesser Poland, Czech Republik, Slovakia, western Ukraine, Hungary and Austria.

        There is a private bus company called “Galicja Express” and a restaurant called “Galicja”:

        http://www.galicjapokolei.pl/index.php/en/

        Also, among the Irish diaspora, the fastest growth (percentage-wise) is now Irish immigrating to Poland (I am talking about native Irish). Currently there are 8,136 Irish living permanently in Poland (I wonder if, apart from marriages, that’s got to do with their investments, as Irish were the second biggest group of investors in Kraków, after the Germans).

        This ties up with Mike Flannelly’s question above: annual rent to price ratio in European countries.

        In Kraków, in the 90s it was around 4/1 for a cheap apartment (all figures are for the second hand apparments); in the noughties before the EU enlargent it was around 11/1; after the enlargement and after the foreign investors came, it is between 20/1 – 30/1.

        The only silver lining for the Cracovians is that the price of the integrated annual ticket is 1/5 of the lowest salary, not 1/2 of the lowest salary, like in Dublin – because in Kraków there is a private competition to the council owned transport system (no routes have monopoly, although cars are forbidden in the strict city centre apart from deliveries, taxis and emergency), while Dublin Bus is basically terrorist organisation (so instead of decreasing ticket prices after the price of oil went down as it happened in other countries, they increased it).

        • No, I have never been to Poland Grzegorz.
          But I have read in the distant past that Poles were Celts and sported the round head and short jaw of the Celtic agrarian.
          One of the areas called Galizia ( similar) was I think near the Polish Ukraine border. There was another in modern day Turkey ( before the Turkish invasion), and the better known area of NW Spain.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            Yes, that’s the one you are talking about; German name is Galizien, Polish name is Galicja. Galizien was a name for the territory annexed in Austria that covers Lesser Poland and western Ukraine and while the Cracovians call their lands half-jokingly Galicja, the parts of Poland formerly annexed by Prussia and Russia fawn at it (for how can one cultivate the name of your occupier, however benign – as out of them 3, the Austrians were the only ones who left the local administration to the Poles).

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Eastern_Europe)

            But recently it has been discovered that the name Galicja harks much further back than Austrian Galizien, to ancient Celts (it has established that they were mixing up, via dig-outs and linguistics).

            There was a funny story related to Congress of Versaile and Galicia: Lloyd George was outraged that the Poles want Galicia (so terrains with Kraków and Lwów) because has only heard about Galicia in Turkey.

            Historically people from Galicja were usually characterised by dark or brown hair and brown or blue eyes, with as you say rounded head and short jaw (there was still many such types when I lived there), while Warsaw people would have been typically subnordic (blong hair, blue eyes – subnordic type differs from noric by shorter jaws). Now, with people moving out more, it is more mixed up.

            It is also a relatively unknown fact that when the Germans entered Poland again in Sep 1939, they were looking for pure “Aryan” types, and they found 200,000 ideal Aryan kids in Poland, took them from their parents (needless to say, without consent or compensation) and brought them to foster families in Germany.

            They thought that they must have had lots of German blood.

            Little was known to poor fuckers that the so called keffallic indicator used in physical antropology back then was confusing cause and effect, and that the subnordic kids in Poland did not look that way because they had German blood, but on the contrary – the entire north Germany up to the river Elbe looked subnordic because they had west Slavic blood.

            Coming back to Celts, a fascinating feature of Irish Gaelic is that its grammatical features most unfamiliar to English speakers (or any Germanic speakers) of the language are:

            1. the initial consonant mutations,
            2. the verb–subject–object (VSO) word order
            3. and the use of two different forms for “to be”.

            Interestingly, these 3 features are also typical of the Polish language, except in Polish the subject is usually dropped in VSO structures.

            There are also consonants in Irish and Polish that no English speaker can pronounce naturally (some of them can never learn to pronounce it), but every Polish speaker can pronounce all Irish consonants naturally.

            Interesting article on the similar fate of Irish and Belarusian:

            http://www.cafebabel.co.uk/society/article/a-pole-in-dublin-on-similarity-between-irish-gaelic-and-belarusian-languages.html

          • Grze
            My understanding of the Celtic migrations to Ireland were as follows vis fact or fiction.
            Originating in the Middle East. Being in
            Egypt for a while. Then in the ancient country of Sythia which was in the modern “Stans” country around the Black Sea and Caspian Sea some 4000 years ago plus or minus 500 years. Then migrating westward into the Middle east and one section becoming the Seafarer, The Phoenicians that founded many seaports in the Med and on the Westshore of the Iberian Peninsular. One of these settled in Brigantees’ territory named for the ancient goddess Brigantia. Some generations later the Milesians invaded Ireland from there. Also territory was recorded as the home of the Brigantees’ in SE Ireland and the middle north of Briton.

            I have a different take on the snakes of Ireland and St Patrick.

            “Over time, the Romans who were often at war with these various serpent tribes, had realized that in order to subjugate the world, they had to perform magic and rites that would counter attack the religious rites of the people they had wished to conquer. The main tactical magical method they would employ against these people of the serpent, would be to replace or rename their Gods which they would take ownership of under new names and also reverse symbology, and iconography in which Rome’s chosen Caesar’s, martyred Saints and gods would usurp all other old serpent Gods and demons of the Old Testament.
            St Bede2An example of these methods are related to us by the Father of English History and Doctor of the Church, Saint Bede who had lived during the 7th century; in his book, “The Lives of the Abbots of Wearmouth.” Bede tells the story, of how Saint Benedict, in the same time period had made his ’6th’ and final trip to Rome in order to bring back relics and decorations to Northumbria in Monkwearmouth-Jarrow, for the newly built monasteries of St. Peter and St. Paul which was the main center of Anglo-Saxon learning. The purpose of these relics and art, was to show to people who had visited the monasteries concordance between the Old and New Testaments, how this change from the serpent of Moses to Jesus on the cross as a symbol of Christianity was passed down to us.”

            The serpent was an important symbol to the Druids. The snake is often associated with the Druidic Celtic cross. Getting rid of the celtic cross snake was accomplished by substituting the christian cross. Thus did St. Pat rid Ireland of snakes.

            http://gnosticwarrior.com/serpent-on-the-cross.html

  25. goldbug

    @COLDBLOW -> THEY ARE ALL ON BOARD

    -> IT IS A GRAVY TRAIN

    IT SEEMS INSTITUTIONAL?

    => BECAUSE IT IS

    IT IS NEVER OPENLY DISCUSSED

    => SO AS TO APPEAR organic

    HA

    .
    .
    .
    => “GENDER MAINSTREAMING”

    -> IT IS BEEN PUSHED THROUGH THE UN

    -> IT IS OFFICIAL IRISH GOVERNMENT POLICY

    -> IT IS DISCUSSED IN STEALTH

    => AND YOU WERE NEVER ASKED
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    .
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    “Identify appropriate Government, civil society and academic partners to be involved in the UNDAF process, including those from national women’s machineries, government gender focal points, workers’ and employers’ organizations, key national women’s organizations and gender advocacy groups including those working on LGBTI and youth rights, and those promoting “new/positive/more equitable” masculinities.”

    http://www.abstract.xlibx.info/as-other/2367768-3-july-2014-prepared-the-undg-task-team-gender-equality-resource.php

  26. Truthist

    Another worthy pithy post from u Goldbug.
    .
    Here is more evidence for what u highlight ;
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    https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/the-homosexual-lefts-new-crusade-normalizing-adult-child-sex

  27. Truthist

    This man is extremely important to follow for his insight ;
    Sheikh Imran Hosein
    Indulge urself to listen to him.
    U will be pleasantly surprised.
    .
    DO NOT FORGET THAT GEO-POLITICS IS GUIDED BY ESCHATOLOGY IF ONLY BECAUSE THE EVIL POWER BROKERS SEEK TO ACCORD WITH THE OCCULT
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wt2vP2cIsM

  28. Deco

    David thanks for the article.

    Farage is 1005 correct about Adams and the political wing of a fuel laundering operation, that has millions hidden in real estate which talks about homelessness.

    In other SF is the most hypocritical of all Ireland’s assorted political machines. And that is a massive “achievement” given the tendency of FF and the ILP towards hyposrisy.

    Salmond is a liar, sitting over a state benefits for votes scam. And the big problem with the SNP, is money. They seem to run out of other people’s money faster than they can keep can keep it coming in. The aspirations that they sell are funded by borrowing and living off others. The politcial leadership in the SNP wants access to a gravy train, for themselves. It is unaccountable in an effective manner – by being officially accountable and not working. They want direct access to Brussels funding for political vote buying (without transparency, because that is how the EU operates). The EU accounts have not been verified in over two decades, because the auditing personnel know they are a fraud.

    The SNP are Scotland’s answer to the Bertie party. Corrupt. Flag waving. Superficial. Obedient to the new imperial project in Brussels. Fraudulent.

    When the Scots find out they will dump the SNP. And this is why the SNP is backing Brussels. To keep the media onside.

    The SNP will end Scottish independence. The idea of Scottish indpendence does have some merit. The SNP will destroy it, just like FF-FG-GP-LP etc.. destroyed Irish independence. On a path of borrowing, and obedience to the new imperial project in Brussels.

  29. Shane F

    Looks like Zerohedge’s cage has been rattled. They have been very sensitive to news about fake sites recently. Am posting this because they are linked to often on this blog.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-02/house-quietly-passes-bill-targeting-russian-propaganda-websites

  30. Deco

    I reckon there is an overwhelming argument in favour of classifying RTE (Pravda) as “fake” news.

    In fact the term “liar news” is relevant.

  31. mike flannelly

    Hi Margaret,
    You said that the govnt need to get “REAL”.

    What is the measurement for “REAL” ???

    What are the REAL costs?

    We need to realise that the Ostrich debt ratios of 2003 to 2009 are messing up REAL.

    We can have REAL if we can park/restructure the NOT REAL debt ratios of 2003 to 2009.

    Step 1 shout STOP.

    Step 2 identify the problem( in normal society without witch hunt)

    Ireland bend over backwards to have no witch hunt but the witches come out of the woodwork and boast about breaking consumer law and contract law with regard to housing mortgage contracts.” WE DELIBERATELY OVERCHARGE VARIABLE MORTGAGE CONTRACTS” they boast.

    The Irish legal system allow contracts that are vague and
    unclear and are bias in favor of the stronger party to the contracts.

    I recently asked a legal expert basic junior cert questions on contract law and consumer law.
    He was blank.

    I cant ask the lady in charge of consumer rights cos she has an engineering backround and not a legal one.

    Margaret you have the answer.

    It was always “REAL”

  32. mike flannelly

    Nite

  33. Truthist

    NEO-ZIO-FASCIST-COMMIE-NOMENKLATURA-DREADFUL FEW DETERMINED TO HAVE WW 3
    .
    Will Mr. Me-Hole Martin [ Leader of MA-Fianna Fail-IA ] meaningfully contend against this policy ?
    .
    Will FINE GA-y-EL do likewise ?

    Will LAB-who-OR-e do likewise ?
    .
    Will Mr. Gerry — “compromised” & “primarily interested in power for himself & Sinn Fein just for the thrill of it, & opportunity to further the Dreadful Few’s Commie / Fascist world governance — do likewise ?
    .
    U.S. House Votes To Toughen Sanctions, Assess No-Fly Zone In Syria
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    NOVEMBER 30, 2016

    By Brandon Turbeville

    On November 15, 2016, the U.S. House of Representatives convened a special session with the normal rules of order suspended and passed H.R. 5732, also known as the Caesar Syria Civilian Protection Act. The CSCPA passed unanimously with only forty minutes of “debate” on the floor. Because normal rules were suspended, only a few members of Congress were present for the vote and, conveniently, those members who were present were all warmongers.

    The CSCPA, of course, is a bill that both toughens the sanctions on Syria and calls for the creation of a No Fly Zone.

    In terms of the new sanctions, the bill would impose new penalties and sanctions on entities doing business with the Syrian government, military, and intelligence. The legislation also requires the President to report to Congress regarding the viability of a No Fly Zone over Syria.

    It also allows the Secretary of State to compile and gather evidence for the purpose of prosecuting those who are alleged to have committed war crimes and crimes against humanity. This, of course, is all based upon the assumption that the Syrian government has committed such crimes and that only the Syrian government has committed them.

    Among the members present who engaged in the forty minutes of “debate” were: Ed Royce, R-California; Eliot Engel, D-New York; Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Florida; Dan Kildee, D-Michigan; Chris Smith, R-New Jersey; and Carlos Curbelo, R-Florida. All of these individuals spoke in favor of the bill.

    The establishment of a “No-Fly Zone” is tantamount to a declaration of war. Such has even been admitted by top U.S. Generals when explaining exactly what a No Fly Zone would entail. As General Carter Ham stated,

    We should make no bones about it. It first entails killing a lot of people and destroying the Syrian air defenses and those people who are manning those systems. And then it entails destroying the Syrian air force, preferably on the ground, in the air if necessary. This is a violent combat action that results in lots of casualties and increased risk to our own personnel.

    General Philip Breedlove also echoed this description when he said,

    I know it sounds stark, but what I always tell people when they talk to me about a no-fly zone is . . . it’s basically to start a war with that country because you are going to have to go in and kinetically take out their air defense capability.

    When Senator Roger Wicker asked Gen. Joe Dunford what it would take to impose a No Fly Zone upon Syria, the General responded, “Right now… for us to control all of the airspace in Syria would require us to go to war against Syria and Russia.”

    Notably, the bill is named after the infamous “Caesar” fraud, an alleged former Syrian military photographer who was allegedly tasked with documenting the Syrian government’s alleged war crimes by . . . the Syrian government. It is claimed that Caesar had a Damascus road conversion and could no longer take the pressures of his job and subsequently came clean to the world and exposed the Assad government for its alleged crimes against humanity.

    Coming at just the right time to ignite outrage and indignation in the dazed American public, as virtually every other report and “incident” in Syria attempted to do since 2010, an alleged “Syrian defector” allegedly provided thousands of photographs revealing what mainstream propagandists called a “smoking gun” of Assad’s humanitarian crimes.

    The alleged defector, who went only by the name “Caesar,” spoke in front of a closed-door session of the House Foreign Affairs Committee in late July, 2014.
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    http://www.activistpost.com/2016/11/u-s-house-votes-for-no-fly-zone-in-syria-leading-the-charge-for-world-war-3.html

  34. Truthist

    SHEER EVIL !
    MORE ON WW 3 CUMING.

    “IT WAS WORTH IT KILLING 500,000 IRAQI CHILDREN” MADELEINE ALBRIGHT HAS URGE TO HARDEN HER NIPPLES AGAIN.
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    EXCERPT
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    Famous Mass Murderer Madeleine Albright Urges All-out War in Syria
    .
    Not satisfied with her disastrous endorsement of Hillary Clinton, Madeleine Albright has now taken it upon herself to advocate for full-blown war in Syria. Because killing 500,000 Iraqi children was just a warm-up lap.

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/famous-mass-murderer-madeleine-albright-urges-all-out-war-syria/ri17958

  35. Truthist

    DO TRY TO PREVENT WW 3
    .
    Great USA female politician ;
    Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney
    .
    Cynthia McKinney on 911 Zionist Controlled Media Congress & Syria – Truth!
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    SyrianPerspective
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbJg1Pf8UcE

  36. Truthist

    More sabotage of USA nation by The Dreadful Few ;
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    Universities Fast-track Foreign Students into 147,000 White-Collar U.S. Jobs

  37. Truthist

    Dubious “Refugees” brought to Germany for to be new labour force ?
    Nawh, I never believed that sales-pitch by our betters to the German nation & to the other EU countries.
    .
    As many degenerates brought to Germany & other EU countries for The Dreadful Few’s purposes of :

    engendering Clash of Civilisations between Christianity & Islam, & thus destroying both, but especially Christianity in Europe

    miscegnation of Europeans ;
    And, I say this not as racist or even racialist.
    But, it is how The Dreadful Few think.
    This was the destructive plan they had for launching degenerates from Soviet Union to rape the women & children of independent-minded & self-isolating Japan in lead up to WW 2.
    And, it is the destructive plan they are enacting on Syria’s nation whereupon their proxy ISIS is raping Syria’s women & children.
    Ditto their plan for to punish Iran’s women & children.
    http://newobserveronline.com/germany-invaders-stay-welfare/

    • Truthist

      Here is link that informs us that the recent mass arrival of dubious refugees in Germany will almost certainly stay on welfare.
      Ditto Ireland ?
      .
      http://newobserveronline.com/germany-invaders-stay-welfare/

      • Grzegorz Kolodziej

        I said this would happen in March last year – this was the time when David was writing that the eastern and central European countries do not want dubious refugees because they are paranoid and do not want non-whites. The truth was, they did not want them because they are not as brainwashed as western countries – particularly the western European and Greece – and they could see two years ahead what they western societies can see only in hindsight.

        I think that his culture of “not being able to foresee” comes from excessive availability of credit – some Warsaw people have minds furnished in the same way.

        As to Ireland, I really am moderately optimistic about social welfare migrants from Middle East, Africa and Pakistan.

        The reasons are:

        - despite President Higgins senile efforts to rebuke the immigration bureau, only 40-something have arrived so far
        - our welfare is too low for them to arrive in mass: for single males (and these are they ones who arrive) Irish welfare is the 3rd lowest in EU-15.
        - our cost of living is too high (combined with the cost of living, it would be probably THE lowest – reminder: one cannot say that British welfare is only a fraction because each welfare person in the UK gets subsidised housing and prices are 30% lower, or rather they were before Brexit
        - insular geographic location will save us somewhat
        - the Irish are less brainwashed than French and Germans, except for D4.

        Now…

        Did it ever occur to you that these countries are sending unsocial male retards ON PURPOSE, keeping more valuable human material? Allegedly when they recruited their “refugees”, they were running tests to make sure that they have IQ not higher than 80 (bear in mind: those countries average IQs are well below 100 anyway).

        Why?

        Very low IQ = inability to assimilate = aggression = unsocial behaviour = good Jihadists

        Also,

        did it never occur to you what I have written repeatedly in 2015 that the anti-migrant attitudes was what the German leaders wanted? A brilliant excuse to restart neo-Nazism and form the all-European army being the German army de facto.

        Hence German 150bn euro army spending 10 year plan.

        German and Russian geopolitics = concert of Europe, no small nations, and particularly no Poland (Dugin said it explicitely, and he is Putin’s adviser).

        That’s why Germany refuses to sign the Peace Treaty with Poland.

        Ex-President Lech Walesa, who was bought by Germany at some stage, had – a few years ago – a slip of a tongue saying that Poland should become a part of Germany.

        And KOD-protester demand foreign intervention to overthrow the legal government.

        Germany are already recruting for the re-shaped, re-run of the Waffen-SS, and that’s official.

  38. Look at the chart; mortgage rates bottomed four years ago and are increasing. As with T-bond yields, Donald Trump’s nomination last summer resulted in a sharp increase in mortgage rates. It’s just a matter of time before they rise to the levels seen just prior to the 2008 sub-prime mortgage crisis, something over 6%. The real-estate market will find it impossible to maintain current market valuations as this trend develops. Ditto for the stock and bond markets.

    If I were Trump I’d recognize two obvious facts his presidency must deal with:

    that January 2017 is two years away from the next election;

    that during his term of office the economy and financial markets are going to crash;

    I wouldn’t wait for Mr Bear to come to town in his own good time. Trump should invite him in and let him go to work deflating overvalued asset prices and sweep away the trash on everyone’s balance sheets. Especially Wall Street’s! It’s going to be painful, but it’s going to happen with or without presidential permission.

    Just how successful history sees his term in office largely depends on the ability of Wall Street and Washington’s establishment to pin the tail on the Donald when this heap of stinking garbage comes tumbling down. I hope Trump understands that is exactly what those scoundrels are planning to do to save themselves – at his expense.

    Donald; be ruthless, and don’t play by their rules! Use Weiner’s computer, you know the one with 650,000 emails on it with compromising information on the high and mighty and their pizza eating ways. I don’t know exactly who is involved in this ring of pedophiles. But I know pure evil resides in Washington and walks on Wall Street, and the main-stream media is covering for them.

    If President Trump finds it necessary to pardon every inmate in Leavenworth federal penitentiary to make room for current and past members of Congress and their staffs – do it! If that’s what it takes to force the Republican National Committee to stop calling me for money to save America from their dear friends in the Democratic National Committee, it’s a sacrifice I, and millions of other Americans are willing to make.” Mark Lundeen

  39. Clare Leonard

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-04/something-strange-taking-place-mediterranean
    The attached zerohedge report is very serious if true.
    Is the Irish Navy in the Mediterranean re the Le Samuel Beckett
    being used to traffic people from Africa.
    Just Asking.

    • The Western industrial democracies are under attack to destabilize them and destroy them. No doubt about it. Each nation needs to get out of the EU and to look after itself. I give them 5 years to do or they are destroyed in 10. This is a political, financial, and social and racial and religious coordinated assault.

      Ask yourself who benefits. ??

    • coldblow

      Clare

      It is an extraordinary thing. I think Irish people (reliant as they appear to be on RTE) still see them as ‘refugees’ from Syria.

      Before ‘Dave’ did his bit to bring ruin to Libya because he had taken on a moral crusade to rid the world of ‘evil’ (probably the same ‘pure evil’ Minister Varadkar was referring to following some undercover video footage of incompetent care workers in St Attracta’s – I couldn’t resist that), that is before Gadaffi’s Libya collapsed there was some order on water-borne emigration by that route. There was still a lot as I recall when they used to show the Italian news on the cable, say fifteen years ago, that the sight of boatloads of Africans landing on the Italian shores was a nightly occurrence.

      From the little I know the British navy were aware of the push-pull dynamic in that part of the Med and did not get drawn into ‘rescue’ operations which is what the migrants required. The Irish navy, however, appears to have done the opposite. Viewers of RTE almost certainly don’t understand a simple fact, that if the migrants simply docked at, say, Italian ports in seaworthy vessels they would be promptly sent back out to sea. The idea is to capsize and be picked up as then you would be taken to safety in, say, Italy.

      What we heard instead was that defenceless refugees fleeing ‘rape’ in Syria (Eoghan Harris) were fleeced by unscrupulous (and ‘evil’ of course) ‘people traffickers’ who cynically and in order to cut costs took what little money they had and didn’t even provide proper boats. I even read Peter Hitchens writing about these evil people traffickers last year, and he should know better. Surely the whole point of these ships is that they sink in order for the migration to succeed.

      By the way, the first twenty minutes of this excellent Swedish-Kurdish economist, Tino Sanandaji, explain the rest of the immigration crisis. As a Kurdish immigrant to Sweden himself he can say (as he says himself) what is happening when this subject is otherwise under a strict taboo.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMt8zkSP9xE

      I used to listen to Deutsche Welle radio interviews last year until I got sick of hearing the same old nonsense. One which struck me in the spring or summer of 2015 was with a German open-borders idealist who had been taken to court several times for illegally brining in migrants to Italy. I don’t think he was successfully prosecuted (from memory), not imprisoned anyway.

      Once the migrant get into Europe it is a question of how strictly each country’s immigration services deal with them, assuming that they can find them. (I saw a bit of a Swedish documentary, sympathetically following the case of a tearful Roma family’s fight against deportation. It ended badly: the decision was made to deport the. At the end of the programme it was announced that they had ‘disappeared’.) It is up to these immigration services to decide what proportion is deported (if you have a high rate then you end up criticized in the press by civil rights organizations, funded by taxpayers) and whether or not the individual’s family in the homeland is also invited to stay. I understand that the Asian community in Britain has been assiduous and effective in this.

      I can’t see how immigration services could do their job in the present climate as if the media get wind of any deportation there will be a song and dance and any employees of the old school left, who felt a responsibility to protect national borders, are surely demoralized and have probably given up.

      Your linked article wonders about financial gain being a motive of the perpetrators. As in other mass delusions it is a factor but I am convinced that they sincerely believe they are doing what is right. The fact that more do not share their beliefs does not appear to challenge their self-righteousness.

      Since I am on about this again I would finally like to stress that I am one hundred per cent convinced that this is driven by emotion and hysteria. Merkel’s decision in Sept last year was clearly the result of a swift bout of hysteria on Facebook (I don’t know anything about Twitter). The reporting everywhere is characterized by euphemism and outright deceit. Who knows where it will end, but with no end in sight to the self-righteous virtue-signalling (‘I see… a man’ as David said on the Late Late last year) then it doesn’t look hopeful.

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