October 20, 2016

Fragile Government needs to stand up to unions to protect the rest of us

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Do you get the feeling that Ireland has possibly the weakest Government in years, when it may well need the strongest? This fragile Government faces an internal insurrection led by public servants who feel that the recent recovery in the economy should be theirs. It’s hard to fault the logic of the teachers and the gardaí. After all, they have been led to believe there is a direct link between tax revenues and their salaries.

 

Let’s be clear, there is none — or at least there should be none. However, given the way this country has run itself over the past three decades with that creature called ‘partnership’, public-sector unions have managed to create some line between tax revenues and public-sector costs.

 

During the downturn, this link was underplayed as the private sector shouldered the bust in the guise of mass unemployment and emigration. The public sector was protected from this traumatic fate.

 

Now that finances are slightly more buoyant and, more crucially, because the Government is — structurally at least — the weakest in living memory, the link between tax revenue and public-sector salaries has been miraculously reinstated. This is against not only the spirit but the letter of the Lansdowne Road Agreement.

 

Whatever the merit of the gardaí or the teachers’ cases, it should not be the case that when the revenues of the State increase for whatever reason, that such increase is automatically the property of public-sector workers. Traditionally, wage increases should be linked to productivity.

 

Therefore, it should be up to the State, together with the unions, to come up with productivity measures for both teachers and gardaí and if they collectively, or more fairly, individually, meet these or better these measures, then they should be paid more.

 

However, if the unions simply want to tear up the Lansdowne Agreement because they see the Government as being weak and they see this as an opportunity to orchestrate a smash-and-grab exercise, then the rest of us, those whose taxes pay these wages, are entitled to feel aggrieved.

 

The future of industrial relations in Ireland is at a crossroads.

 

Will the Government give in to every demand? Or will it compromise so much that it may as well have given in? Or will it stand up and fight on behalf of the majority of the electorate, who are not in the public sector?

 

The first scenario is easy enough to plot out. As the growth rate of the economy remains fairly constant — and no one expects a massive surge in tax growth this year — the cost of higher public-sector wages will be paid by those taxpayers who are not in the public sector. It can’t be any other way. Clearly, the State could borrow to pay higher wages, but it isn’t going to do this. Remember we are still running a budget deficit, implying that we can’t even balance our books right now, let alone after a huge hike in the public-sector cost base.

 

In short, we are dealing with a plot against the ordinary working person by a public sector that has direct access to the political class. The unions know that a fragile Government is dependent on them as a voting bloc. On the basis that an election could be one or two political screw-ups away, the unions can hold the Coalition to ransom.

 

With the Government so fragile and Fianna Fáil breathing down the Cabinet’s neck, pay negotiations become like a hostage situation. The public-sector unions threaten the Government: pay up or else we will strike across the board. The unions know that a weak Government is likely to buckle under the strain of industrial conflict because the likelihood is that some Independents wobble, the Government collapses and the unions instruct their members to vote for the party that promises them the biggest ransom.

 

But who pays the ransom?

 

Well, the average taxpayer who is not a member of one of the cosseted unions.

 

This is how it works when the electorate delivers a vote which is nothing more than an inconclusive mandate to do as little as possible and hope for the best.

 

When we look in more detail at public-sector workers, we see their pay is already more than 30pc higher than the private sector, plus their huge unfunded pensions are nothing more than a debt pyramid. The reason we can describe the entire public-sector pension structure as a debt pyramid is because public-sector pensions are not based on some investment that makes money or some dividend or some return to savings — as is the case with everyone else’s pension. The public-sector pensions are a tax on new entrants into the labour market because they are paid directly out of current taxation. Therefore, one older worker’s windfall is another younger worker’s taxation. This money is not earned but appropriated.

 

Thus, you can see one route is the way to chaos where the unions ransack the public purse and take money out of the pockets of other workers. This is the route that will be paved with governmental good intentions.

 

The other route is for the Government to stand up for the 1.7 million other taxpayers who are not public-sector workers. Clearly, there are deals that have to be honoured under the Lansdowne Road Agreement, but there should be no more. This way the teachers and gardaí would get a fair deal, but not a special deal.

 

This route, the route of holding the line, demands political mettle.

 

However, there is little doubt that a government that stands up for the interests of 1.7 million against 300,000 is doing the democratic thing.

 

The choice is clear. In fact, it couldn’t be clearer.


  1. Mike Lucey

    David, couldn’t agree more. Some balls needed to be grown quickly by management .

    And while they’re at it they should look at the ridiculous salaries being paid to ESB workers that don’t think twice about holding the country to ransom.

    Both new gardai and teachers knew what they were signing up to. Many of the 300,000+ that had to take the planes had little idea.

    Mike

  2. Kevin Lyda

    Nope. If they wouldn’t stand up to banks, I’m not going to say they should stand up to people.

    If everyone is just going to let the gov’t fill the pockets of the wealthy, then I’m going to root for the front-line workers getting their share. Good for them. I’ll cheer them on and vote against anyone who gets in their way.

    Want me to support reigning in public sector pay? Well then we fix it at the top *first* and then we work our way down.

    • hasbeen

      I would agree. Is the problem public sector wages are too high or are private sector wages too low. I have been doing some job searching recently (pension mangled thanks to the private sector elite and what should have been a very good pension is no longer adequate) and even with skilled jobs wages are lousy. Employers took full advantage of the crisis and pay and conditions took a hammering; this should be news to no one, we have all been affected – except for the ceo’s with obscene bonus packages. Don’t remember David complaining about that one. Pay restoration has to start somewhere and maybe the private sector need to be shown how it’s done. If these people don’t get it no one will, or maybe that is the plan.

      • michaelcoughlan

        Hi,

        “Is the problem public sector wages are too high or are private sector wages too low”

        Thanks. What really pisses me off is when cheap shot articles like this try to drive a wedge between public and private workers.

        Its the arapatchiks in the EU who are fleecing everyone to save the banks who are the trouble.

        • hasbeen

          “try to drive a wedge between public and private workers”. Nothing new in this. The last FF government did this during the crisis, the last coalition drove a wedge between the employed and the unemployed as their way to address the issue and now we are back to the public v private sectors. This is all a diversion from the real issues facing us. While we are arguing among ourselves we are being screwed by our bosses with bonuses and our 1%ers. Almost no one I have spoken to has seen the bigger picture or can see what is going on.

          • michaelcoughlan

            “Almost no one I have spoken to has seen the bigger picture or can see what is going on.”

            Me neither. Drives me bananas.

  3. Tull McAdoo

    It is becoming more difficult to make an honest living in Ireland these days.

    If you are a Gombeen, a Spoofer, a Party Hack, an Insider, a bare faced liar, someone who would shaft their own Mother, someone who would misrepresent their skill set (Bertie the Accountant) and so forth then you will be fine.

  4. Tull McAdoo

    What Ireland needs is a change in Business culture, a change in how it does things.
    Ireland needs a Paradigm shift in its Cultural Web.

    The Cultural Web identifies six interrelated elements that help to make up what Johnson and Scholes call the “paradigm” – the pattern or model – of the work environment. By analyzing the factors in each, you can begin to see the bigger picture of your culture: what is working, what isn’t working, and what needs to be changed. The six elements are:

    1. Stories – The past events and people talked about inside and outside the country. Who and what the country chooses to immortalize says a great deal about what it values, and perceives as great behaviour.

    2. Rituals and Routines – The daily behaviour and actions of people that signal acceptable behaviour. This determines what is expected to happen in given situations, and what is valued by management.

    3. Symbols – The visual representations of the country including logos, how plush the offices are, and the formal or informal dress codes.

    4. Organizational Structure – This includes both the structure defined by the country charter, and the unwritten lines of power and influence that indicate whose contributions are most valued.

    5. Control Systems – The ways that the country is controlled. These include financial systems, quality systems, and rewards (including the way they are measured and distributed within the organization.)

    6. Power Structures – The pockets of real power in the country. This may involve one or two key senior executives, a whole group of executives, or even a department. The key is that these people have the greatest amount of influence on decisions, operations, and strategic direction.

    From “Fundamentals of Strategy” by G. Johnson, R. Whittington, and K. Scholes. Published by Pearson Education, 2012.

    Modified for this article by Tull McAdoo 2016.

    • Truthist

      Regrettably, what we have now is Machiavellian ethics for the selfish benefit of its practitioner & at cost of intended victim.
      It is an ethos that has very much been encouraged deliberately by the cinematic & tv media over some 4 decades.
      .
      All the points that u outline would serve very well for framework to reform the ethos of the country.
      The best input into the framework would be true Christianity ;
      “Innocence of a Dove & Wisdom of a Serpent” ;
      No, not Civil SERPENCY again 8-) ].

  5. mike flannelly

    Great Article.

  6. redriversix

    It’s a real lazy cheap article David.

    Wages are cut…people’s benefits ,who they pay for , are cut.

    Two tier pay system for Garda,Nurses & teachers.

    Here’s a mad idea ….. what if companies paid a corporation tax of 12.5% ? …every year.

    What if we nurtured are natural resources ??

    Instead of giving them away……

    Do you think that would help ? Do you ?

    Who has a full time job now ?
    They are becoming a thing of the past.

    Sometimes I wonder about you David…

    Barry
    RR6

  7. davybunyip

    come up with productivity measures for both teachers and gardaí and if they collectively, or more fairly, individually, meet these or better these measures, then they should be paid more.

    These are your own words David and they fit exactly the situation young, teachers, nurses, Garda and firemen are in. They are doing the same work as their colleagues but are on totally different pay scales. This is really shoddy journalism as you state whatever the merits of the Garda and teachers cases we just should not bow down to pressure from the unions. Last year Ireland looked to employ 500 nurses and they filled 54 places. Nurses, teachers and young Garda are leaving in droves to work in Dubai, Australia, Canada and the U.K., etc. So to say that the private sector shouldered most of the austerity is unfair and untrue. Around 80 percent of the public sector earn less than 55,000 and many of them earn far less than that. Young teachers rarely get full hours and because those hours are spread out over the week they can not sign on to help make ends meet. They are literally the working poor and the Asti are saying enough is enough. The government is always justifying its exorbitant pay to consultants and chairpersons of the banks that the citizens of Ireland now own by saying we have to pay the best to get the best. So why cannot public sector workers be entitled to a fair wage for doing the same job as their colleagues?

    As for pensions new entrants will pay more into their pension than they will take out. You cannot defend the governments way of providing for public sector pensions but that s not the fault of public sector workers, it again lies with the government.

    I hate the public private debate, especially where the unions are portrayed as this evil lobby group. Trade unions have helped fight for many beneficial improvements in workers conditions. In the 1800′s in the u.k. They successfully fought to halt the 12 hour working day. Unions also represent private sector workers as well. I think a better debate to have would be regarding the massive wealth disparity we have in this country. Over the period of recession the top 300 wealthiest people in Ireland saw their personal wealth increase by over 3 billion. None of them work in the public sector.

    • Deco

      A productivity target for gardai ?

      Looking at the crime mess, it seems that there is no productivity trget for the gardai. Except collect fines where the road changes speed limits.

      There is no target for the gardai at all. They are rudderless.

      The fish rots from the head. The minister for Justice is a collection of empty cliches. She is useless. Utterly useless.

    • StephenKenny

      You’re using ‘chairpersons of banks’ in some form of comparison to ‘young teachers’? The assumption I guess is that the more experience you have, the more valuable is your work, or wouldn’t you agree that a 20 year veteran teacher is, on average, a better teacher than a ‘young teacher’?

      The pension problem isn’t one of fairness, it’s simply that there is no way on earth they’re ever going to be honored – the bill is going to be far too high for the tax payer to afford. Laughably too high.

      The problem with a weak government is that they’re writing cheques on the accounts of those still in school, and of those yet unborn.

      Agree with your point on the wealth disparity. It’s obscene, immoral, and very stupid.

      • davybunyip

        Hi Stephen,
        The point about younger teachers is not that they are paid less based on their experience, they are paid less based on the date they joined the profession. The Asti are fighting to get all teachers on the same pay scale, not the same pay. Obviously experience counts and it takes 25 years for a teacher to reach their maximum increment.

        • paddythepig

          The teacher unions were complicit in introducing this disparity. Those teachers in a job, represented by their unions, signed up to preserve their own renumeration, but to reduce the future renumeration of those teachers yet to qualify and who did not yet have a job. The unions could have agreed to an across the board cut with no difference between existing teachers and future teachers, but they decided not to.

  8. mcsean2163

    Agreed. There is no money in the pot.

    I was back in Ireland last week and had the same conversation with people. Gardai are really well paid, as are the public sector. Why load more debt on our children, 183bln is not insignificant and as it turns out, our debt has not inflated away to date.

    If the public service don’t like it, let them enter the private sector of no pensions and actual results expected.

    • davybunyip

      If they are so well paid why could they only hire 54 nurses last year when they went looking for 500.two garda recruits recently went back to Tesco because they were financially better off.

      • mcsean2163

        Maybe in an alternate universe:

        Garda Trainees attest after 32 weeks and move onto the first point of the Garda incremental pay scale of €23,750. The incremental scale rises to €42,138 per annum after 8 years with two further increments after 13 and 19 years’ service which bring the maximum of the pay scale to €45,793 per annum after 19 years.8 Sep 2016

        This may answer your question about nurses:

        http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/up-to-50-of-nurses-hired-under-uk-drive-again-take-flight-1.2736503

        Who will pay for the pay rises? It will my the next generation. We are the second most indebted country in the world per capita. Time to stop borrowing!

        • davybunyip

          I read the article, it says nurses left due to pay, conditions of work etc! “However the INMO said that in its experience about 70 per cent of those who commenced work in the Irish public health system left after about six months ” It goes on to say they hired 90 nurses last year for a net gain of 45.

          As for the Gards try this article ” i earned more working in a newsagent!”http://www.thejournal.ie/gardai-low-pay-2677172-Mar2016/

          • davybunyip

            33,000 is the wage new recruits dream of getting. Currently they are being spat on, abused, stabbed, shot and killed for the princely sum of 23,000.

          • StephenKenny

            Killed? In the last 10 year, 6 have been killed in the line of duty – 2 were accidents.
            About 30 people a year (so 300 in 10 years) in industrial accident on farms. Construction is next, about 10 a year (200 in 10 years). In fact, Ireland has one of the highest industrial accident rates in the EU.

  9. erinblue

    This guy has completely lost the plot and is way out of touch.

  10. sravrannies

    The HSE had problems recruiting nurses for many reasons including a current world-wide shortage of nurses. Certainly the cost of living here is a factor.

    Having said that, why the HSE needs more nurses when we have one of the highest ratios of nurses per population in the OECD does suggest crisis management.

    One element missing from the Public/Private debate – and it is an important one – is the component of supply & demand. I remember some years ago Tony Blair facing down the Firefighters who were striking for higher pay – he said their work was very important, dangerous but, for every firefighter job advertised there were several hundred applications for each post. His honest argument was that he didn’t need to give them a pay rise because there were so many who were willing to do the job at current Add to dictionary finished.

    The same applies to many Public Sector jobs. If there are so many applicants for every job then, that should be a factor in setting pay levels.

    Peter

    • michaelcoughlan

      Hi Peter,

      Maybe by your logic the add should read work for us and you pay us for the honour? LOL.

      “we have one of the highest ratios of nurses per population in the OECD”

      And your point is? We have the highest ever emigration out of Ireland 3 years consecutive for the last 3 years since the foundation of the state. I wonder is it because those nurses are getting paid and treated better abroad?

      As for “The same applies to many Public Sector jobs. If there are so many applicants for every job then, that should be a factor in setting pay levels.”

      Really? Because the talented ones won’t apply! Let me demonstrate with clarity how absurd your point of view is;

      I Michael Coughlan promise to pay José Mourinho 1000 euros to allow me to play on united’s first 11 next time out. Since the top players are being paid north of 200k per week it would be a great deal for Mourinho wouldn’t it? I will be still laughing in 20mins.

      Wasn’t hard was it?

      • davybunyip

        in fairness you might start instead of Rooney!

      • sravrannies

        You analogy is flawed. You appear to equate Manchester United to the Public Sector instead to ALL football leagues where many play for peanuts and if they don’t perform they’re out and thousands never make it. Mourinho would be a top Civil Servant – the Special Ones!!

        My point is that we forever seem to be lurch from one disaster to the next, sticking plaster on plaster, throwing good money at each crises, never having the balls to tackle vested interests to provide the world class cost effective service everyone wants and deserves.

        “30000 vie for €9/hr job”

        http://www.independent.ie/business/jobs/30000-vie-for-9anhour-job-34833904.html

        Peter

    • mcsean2163

      Agreed.

      It appears there are mad people coming out of the woodwork to argue the opposite. Who will pay for the pay rises? We are in debt and running a deficit.

  11. “In Ireland, direct elections by universal suffrage are used for the President, the ceremonial head of state; for Dáil Éireann, the lower house of the Oireachtas or parliament; for the European Parliament; and for local government. All elections use the single transferable vote (STV) in constituencies returning three or more members, except that the presidential election and by-elections use the single-winner analogue of STV, elsewhere called instant-runoff voting or the alternative vote. Members of Seanad Éireann, the upper house of the Oireachtas, are partly nominated, partly indirectly elected, and partly elected by graduates.

    STV is a form of proportional representation, and coalition governments have been the rule since 1989. Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael were the largest parties in every general election from 1927 to 2007, with the Labour Party usually third. Smaller parties and independents exist in the Dáil and more so in local government.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

    Perhaps the reason there is indecisive government is because of the system used to appoint some and elect others of the representatives governing the people.
    With Proportional representation there is too much political correctness used to appoint people who are affiliated with political parties. This results in a consensus sort of parliament where a decision cannot be made. also having several reps in a constituency leaves nobody accountable to the people of that constituency.

    It is better to have a fist past the post with a single rep elected in each constituency. At least the governing party would have authority and able to provide direction. All this fiddling with the electoral system does not produce any more fairness, just indecision and stagnation. It is seen in many countries where some are unable to even elect a functioning government.

    Perhaps the first thing to do is review how the government is actually elected. The current system is not properly accountable and results in mediocrity.

    There is a chance by adopting the principles of Direct Democracy. But the first past the post single ballet is still superior IMO, then add direct democracy referendum, initiative and recall.

    • davybunyip

      in scotland they use a mix of both systems. Fintan O’Toole reckons its the fairest in one of his books.

      • May be so.
        But I still do not see any better government by trying to fiddle the process of one person , one vote. Those with the most votes win the seat. Then hold that representative’s feet to the fire with referendum, initiative and recall provisions. Your representative is just that, the representative of all in the constituency. Then no party affiliation is required for good policy.
        Again we try to fiddle with the problems from the perimeters rather than heading to the center of the problem and fixing the root causes.

      • Deco

        In Scotland the state is living off the rest of the UK.

        Of course Tintan the Fool likes it.

        It is an absolution from being completely responsible.

    • Mike Lucey

      A big 1+ on that Tony!

  12. “Central banks, Governments and regulatory authorities are too often keen to highlight the benefits of the cashless society, e.g. efficiency and speed of transactions, ease of compliance and reporting, etc. However, the same agencies promoting cashless society evolution never mention the downsides or costs associated with creating a market structure in which private transactions become fully public through electronic trace-ability and centralised storage of information.”

    http://www.goldcore.com/us/gold-blog/cashless-society-war-cash-benefit-gold/

    • “A ban on cash does not remove the issues that the proponents claim it will, instead it exacerbates the issues that already exist and bring them to the forefront of every prudent saver and investors’ mind: liberty, security of assets, protection of wealth against negative interest rates, bail-ins and currency devaluations.

      The current drive towards a cashless society shows the importance of being diversified and not having all your savings and assets within the vulnerable financial and banking system.

      It underlines the importance of diversification and having direct ownership of some of your wealth – outside the electronic savings and payments systems.”

  13. Deco

    David,

    Thank you for writing the article. The rest of the workforce is fed up with the nonsense that is coming from a return to Bertonomics.

  14. ThomasFergus

    Really disappointing article……’public sector workers get paid 30% more than private sector workers’…..not that meaningless factoid again! There is no private sector equivalent to a Garda, army private, etc so there can’t be a 30% differential, unless you compare a Garda with a worker in McDonald’s.
    As a former public sector worker who now works in the private sector, my real problem with ps unions was their restraint during the guarantee and subsequent bank bailouts…..’industrial peace’ and ‘stability’ they called it, when that was precisely the time for the country to revolt and as the biggest civil society organisations out there, the unions could’ve brought down that shameful govt in 2008, 2009 and 2010 when the worst damage was being done.

    I don’t want to go all ad-hominem on you David, but you’re being paid to write this article by Denis O’Brien, our homegrown Carlos Slim, who has benefitted from more taxpayer largesse than anyone in the history of the State. If only our FG govt had shown some spine when dealing with welfare frauds like Dinny, we mightn’t be in such a state of chassis

    • StephenKenny

      The comparison is like with like, anything else would be asinine.

    • Truthist

      Specifically what type of “public sector” employee were u dearest Thomas Fergus ? ;
      Garda by chance ?

      • ThomasFergus

        Mainstream civil service. I can’t stand the guards! Most of them anyway……My point is that lumping all members of the public service into one category and those who work in the private sector into another is ridiculous.

        Car salesmen, auctioneers and off license owners all work in the private sector and are a drain on our dysfunctional economy, but I wouldn’t conclude that the private sector is dysfunctional as a result.

        The country is destroyed by Irish banks and their determination to drive up land values and property prices. Everything else is a sideshow

        • Truthist

          Generalisation can be fair as :

          A ]
          “a generalisation” if true
          .
          B]
          .
          1st
          “a generalisation” with view to uncovering the specifics
          .
          2nd
          actually “uncovering the specifics”
          .
          The Civil Service or a very long time is effectively operating as Stazi / Gestapo / Big Brother on the ordinary non-Civil / non-Public Servants [ Actually, in this mileau most are Civil SERPENTS ; The minority who are not SERPENTS are either "passive" or "heros" ] for :
          .
          agenda of the “Hidden” Government, & the Upper Echelons of L.E.J. [ Although J = Judiciary are by definition also Civil Servants ]
          .
          their own common agenda
          .
          their own private agenda
          .
          Of course, Civil Service do perform useful work also.
          .
          .
          Yes, the Civil Service has no monopoly on title to being corrupt & overpaid ;
          So, also do the examples u give of private sector ;
          Or, atimes quasi private-public sector ;
          Many do straddle both even officially in their day’s activities.
          .
          The whole Irish Nation is incredibably corrupt now.
          Both “Public Sector” & “Private Sector” in their jobs & private lives.
          Not, everyone of course ;
          Just, giving a fair generalisation.
          .
          Here, we are correctly pointing out some of the particular corrupt situation of the Civil Servants.
          .
          Ur reference to just some of the corrupt situation of Private Sector is justified even in the context of what this highlighting by DMW.
          But, please do remind urself ;
          .
          “2 wrongs do not make a right.”.

          Regards,

          Truthist

        • Truthist

          Anyway, u contradict urself in above series of posts :
          .
          1st
          U make argument in support of the Guards
          Ref.
          “Really disappointing article……’public sector workers get paid 30% more than private sector workers’…..not that meaningless factoid again !
          There is no private sector equivalent to a Garda, army private, etc so there can’t be a 30% differential, unless you compare a Garda with a worker in McDonald’s.”
          .
          This extract is definitely in support of the Guards.
          .
          2nd
          U castigate the Guards ;
          Ref.
          “I can’t stand the guards !
          Most of them anyway.”

          • ThomasFergus

            Sigh……I should’ve known better than to come on here….I wouldn’t do a guard’s job in a million years, it’s a tough job. Like many police forces, some of them seem to be above the law, and put loyalty to themselves above loyalty to the public. Like many other public servants, quite a few of them receive pay that is higher than their equivalents in other police forces in Europe, but much of this has to do with the very high cost of living in Ireland, which is driven in the first instance and most importantly by high property prices and rent. Reduce property prices and rent by 50%, you won’t see too many people complaining about their wages.

            Ergo, bank guarantee, bank bailouts, NAMA, vulture funds etc etc are the explicit causes of all our economic problems. The union bogeymen are way down the list, and their real problem is they are not radical enough.

    • Deco

      [
      There is no private sector equivalent to a Garda, army private, etc so there can’t be a 30% differential, unless you compare a Garda with a worker in McDonald’s.
      ]

      How many arrests does the average gardai in Dublin accomplish in a year ?

      There is no shortage of criminals. It seems to have reached the problem that the criminals can shot each other in broad daylight, in hotels, with the international media watching – and there is no fear of policing.

      Let’s talk about policing productivity with our cops.

  15. Truthist

    Most of the Guards are Crooks !
    And, overpaid as Guards too even if they were not Crooks.

  16. Truthist

    Updates on topic which is not off-topic ;
    .
    USA Presidential Election 2016
    .
    .
    Hillary Clinton “Rally” VERSUS Donald Trump “Rally”
    .
    https://twitter.com/jamesperloff/status/789281915081752576/photo/1

    Photo speaks a 1,000 Words.
    .
    .

    All media reports will be rigged on election night to proclaim Clinton the winner no matter what… Trump urged to challenge the fraud
    .
    After reporting faked election results, the media will be pressuring Trump to admit defeat as quickly as possible
    .
    Donald Trump must REFUSE to concede on election night and must challenge the widespread election fraud that has been engineered by the democrats
    .
    Democrats are totalitarians who create the illusion that they believe in democracy
    .
    http://thedailycoin.org/2016/10/20/all-media-reports-will-be-rigged-on-election-night-to-proclaim-clinton-the-winner-no-matter-what-trump-urged-to-challenge-the-fraud/

  17. Truthist

    Irish-American, & oft-times people’s choice to be President of USA, Pat Buchanan telling u the truth here.
    And, “u betcha” it is the same here in The Irish State for rigging of Dail Elections & Referenda.
    Heck, the Garda-Landlords / Landlord-Gardas 8-) were even caught helping to rig the “same-chromosome” marriage referendum in favor of the Chuck Feeney — George Soros type — agenda in making Irish State more crass.
    .
    Is the System Rigged ? You Betcha.
    PAT BUCHANAN • OCTOBER 18, 2016 • 900 WORDS
    .
    .
    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/is-the-system-rigged-you-betcha/

    • Deco

      I am absolutely baffled as to how FF got back their vote in the last election. Finding a FF voter is really difficult. They are very close to the Tamanny Hall gang in the US.

      Chuck Feeney needs to be told to Chuck off.

      • Truthist

        Down in Cork, nobody likes Me-hole Martin ;
        Unless, they have personally benefited from him.
        .
        Me-hole has had a longer career as an actual “bus conductor” on C.I.E. buses in Cork city than as an actual “teacher” ;
        I heard that he was an useless teacher ;
        incl.
        much given to shouting.
        .
        But, of course, on the flip-side, Me-hole is a very good family man.
        As known by :
        all the important state secret services :
        G2
        MI6
        CIA
        NATO
        EU
        Mshd

        & also the important multinational company secret services with lucrative interests in Ireland.
        e.g.
        Shell

        So, Me-hole is not vulnerable by blackmail or bribery vis-a-vis the best interests of the Irish Nation, or the interests of any NATO [ incl. E.U. ] targeted nation in Europe, North Africa, French-Franc currency countries in Africa, Mid-East, Russia etc.

  18. Green shoots had rotten roots. If the real inflation rate is deducted from the GDP figures the results are an annual growth rate of negative 3-4%. That is the economy is actually in recession/depression and has been for the last 8 years. No wonder the locals are voting for trump. The locals have finally figured that everyone else is lying through their teeth.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/10/19/fed-risks-repeating-lehman-blunder-as-us-recession-storm-gathers/

  19. https://www.moneymetals.com/news/2016/10/20/post-election-social-unrest-000938

    Governments are fragile alright.

    “People are frustrated, restless, angry. And officially, we aren’t even in a recession yet. Officially, the inflation rate remains below 2%. What happens when the economy and stock market start tanking? Or when costs for fuel, food, and other consumer goods start taking off again?”

  20. One of the reasons governments are so fragile is that they are bought, paid for and controlled by others. Mostly leading back to unlimited funds. We know where those funds originate. Loose central bank policies of unlimited money production now called QE to infinity.

    “It also offers yet more evidence that we do not live in a world where our leaders are elected, they are selected; and on top of that, they are beholden to moneyed interests, to the point where they are routinely emailed and told (like Clinton) how to intervene in international affairs, and directed what to do.

    Most importantly, the Soros hack is yet more proof that the real truth of who runs the world is to be found in conspiracy research — and thankfully, as more and more leaks and hacks surface, we are finally beginning to put the full picture together.”

    http://wakeup-world.com/2016/09/06/the-george-soros-email-hack-top-10-machinations-of-a-master-manipulator/

    • Deco

      The purpose of Soros is to overrule the people, and prevent the people getting representative democracy.

      Soros is anti-democratic. He is an extremely sinister, and disrespectful of both individual and popular sovereignty.

      The only answer, in the short term, is the imprisonment of Soros.

  21. Deco

    If only some people were as concerned about the quality of state services, being given to the public, as they were about pay rises in the absence of improvements in either productivity or quality.

    There is a massive problem within the state system in terms of productivity and quality of services.

    There are two root causes.

    1. Nepotism. Political parties, IBEC, ICTU, the oligopolists, the golden circle sticking their own into state institutions and bodies, and running them like little empires, on their own whims. This creates enormous underperformance in terms of management.

    Think of Cowen’s mate in charge of FAS. Think of the board of the CRC (when really a an MD is all that is required).

    This is a massive problem.

    It is this massive culture of institutionalism, that drives the expansion of statism, for the sake of providing money for well connected chancers.

    2. Union politicians like Ogle, who demand their “fair slice of the pie” and who talk of fairness. They simple demand more money for the sake of power.

    David is taking on problem #2 because it is now clearly out of hand. The people are waking up the fact that the “Fairness Agenda” is actually a wrapper for theft, extortion, and bureacratic madness.

    Problem 1, is actually something that the union bosses accept, but lower level union officials detest. And in the case of David Begg and Des Geraghty, we have seen how union big boys can get in on the racket, and be just as useless as the cronies of politicians.

    I think we need an honest conversation about both elements.

    In fact it is the first step towards making the state system.

    The BS that is broadcast from RTE (Pravda) about the lack of resources in the state sector is absolute nonsense. And the people know it. Everybody on the average wage level, paying 50% marginal tax for overtime is ridiculous.

    The union bosses have pushed matters too far. There was no reform of the state system since Ahernism. There was a PR stunt by Brendan Howlin that made sure that nothig changed, in any serious substantive manner.

    • Deco

      Incidentally, if the unions decided that they wanted to sort out problem number 1 (the authority holders who are well connected), then I think that the resulting improvement in the quality and performance of the state sector would be welcomed by the people.

      Even to the point that the people would be ready to accept pay rises in the public sector.

      But as things stand, with the unions routinely pretending to bring in improvements, the people outside the public sector will get increasingly fed up with all the nonsense.

  22. Truthist

    This article by David’s is a very important piece of Public Service to the Irish Nation, & the foreign tax payers here — not in Civil Service [ Some are ; And, in very sensitive privacy roles ] — also suffering.
    Good Stuff !

  23. Truthist

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/dan-obrien/you-cant-rely-on-state-figures-if-you-want-a-fair-public-pay-debate-35145674.html
    .
    Shocking Cost for in the main shockingly “ineffective” AND “inefficient” AND “rude” AND “non-transparent” Services to captive market [ the Citizens ].
    Grgegorz has plenty of evidence about some examples.
    .
    Civil SERPENT pro-active destructive actions against citizens is also part funded by this shocking cost in salaries.
    Other funding for nefarious activities of Civil SERPENTS is from department costs other than salaries, & atimes relevant bribes given by corrupt elements of private sector to said Civil SERPENTS.
    .
    e.g.
    .
    Social Welfare claimants not even getting their basic statutory entitlements ;
    .
    e.g.
    .
    I myself for mine
    e.g.
    Basic statutory SW payments owing for Child & Mother of Child of mine.
    .
    Personalised victimisation against me & mine because I know too much about the corruption, & I having stood up against various enfolding episodes of corruption.

    • Deco

      It is ridiculous that a worker pays various social taxes, and then when he is unemployed, the system decides that maybe he really should not get anything back, when he is laid.

      The whole thing is an insult.

      Apart from the amount of time it takes to receive a social welfare payment. The hope being that if the unemployed worker is really in financial trouble, then that person will leave the country and find work elsewhere and not be looking for their money pay.

      We have social taxes that make payment in easy, and that make welfare payments back extremely difficult.

      It is absolutely astounding the manner in which the system treats the people.

      • Truthist

        Ur solutions for many different problems expressed many times on this blog would greatly help rescue Ireland.
        .
        But, if the agents & recipients have bad heart — which will surely manifest itself in bad behaviour [ whether of "sins of omissin" or "sins of commission" ], & includes obtuse badness as of Iago in Othello — even ur excellent ideas will flounder.
        .
        High rise blocks of “condominiums” — not flats or apartments — of suitable superb design [ incl. noise insulation ] & nearby blocks of 4 wheel vehicle automated parking & nearby block of motorcycle automated parking & block of personal garage & store / workshop facility in nearby block[s] for personal private property & nearby personal allotments facility opportunity for condo dweller for hydroponic / aquaponic / viviculture / viviponics is feasible.
        .
        Villages of condominiums
        .
        Occupiers “rent-to-buy” ONLY ;
        If wish to move, they carry their record of contributions towards ownership of next dwelling they chose.
        .
        Persistent bad behavior ==> notice by management [ State ] to leave.
        .
        Landlordism is in the same league as Usuary ;
        Morally destructive to society.
        Important to say that often the percentage of decent landlords is higher than the percentage of decent tenants.
        Sheer numbers of tenants ==> high percentage of rotten tenants anyway.
        .
        Probably, same per decent bank managers,
        vis.
        > percentage of rotten borrowers.
        .
        Life is ironic often.
        .
        But, the whole Usuary & Landlordism is not the way to organise business & home-making.
        .
        Actually, so-called “shanty” towns could be fine … meanwhile.
        .
        International showcase of best of Ireland model for other countries to host & consider emulating / improving.
        Thus, no need for would be cynical / parasitic economic-refugees to Irish State ;
        They do exist.
        But, important to quality not all economic-refugees are cynical / parasitic.

  24. Deco

    By the way, the system also encourages people to be forever on the welfare.

    In fact it creates two behavioural models. Drones, and worker bees.

    Everybody knows some family that have been dolers for 20 years or more. Intergenerational dolers. Free stuff, and a series of claims that run for decades. Without them there would be no ammuniation for the Fairness agenda. They are useful in keeping the institutional complex in it’s firmly statist empowerment.

    Welfare in return for no effort at the very top of the institutional state.

    And expensive welfare in return for no effort at the top of the insitutional state.

  25. Deco

    The state has welfare programs at the very top and at the very bottom.

    Endless provision for the dossers in your neighbourhood, who manage to never stop dossing.

    And nice juicy income streams for Rody Molloy, Bertie Ahern, Enda Kenny, Der Geraghty, Patrick Neary, Patrick Honaghan, the directors of the CRC, Rehab directors, etc…

  26. Truthist

    Speaking of Des Geraghty ;
    .
    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/shane-ross/quango-veteran-des-is-back-in-his-old-haunts-30656058.html
    .
    Cute Hoor “Communist” [ "Some are more equal than others" ] with loyalty to “The Internationale” is well able to feather his own nest.
    Not to be underestimated.
    Very deft & articulate.
    A proper Bolshevik / Trotskyite gangster in my opinion.
    .
    .
    Actually, there is a very strong case to be made that the top union bosses are part of conspiracy to destroy the Irish Nation & so usher in EU communist regime here.
    So, minority in multi-national employment + many as well-paid Civil Servants [ Although, at this stage, even an even bigger percentage of Civil SERPENTS ] & tiny minority in poor & fiercely state-regulated self-employment [ incl. farmers ] & a majority of indigenous Irish + multi-ethnic immigrants all on State Social Welfare deliberately humiliating meager payment dependency & forced docility.

  27. Truthist

    There yee go !
    .
    Get a dose of the under-scoring LIES coming from Irish State about how much the salaries of the Civil Servants [ incl. Civil SERVANTS ] — The “Permanent” Government ] cost ;
    .
    .
    And, this despite the Irish State indebting the Irish Nation present & future — with attendant “dire poverty” “homelessness”, & “homelessness + rooflessness”, & “forced emigration”, & “suicides” [ notwithstanding Bertie Aherne -- friend of the Nomenklatura / Civil Servants -- recommending suicide to those citizens not benefiting ], inter alia– forced on many poor citizens so as to “effectively” assure the Civil Service folks of their cosy-ass salaries & pensions & perks even though :
    .
    1.
    most Civil Servants are not as productive, & not as transparent, as private sector, or as the “nominally” should ;
    Industrial Engineers will attest to this.
    .
    2.
    many are malevolent on various grounds
    incl.
    2.1
    general policy of “Hidden” Government / “Deep State”
    “Deep State” no doubt involved with Civil SERPENT — Garda by codename “The Badger” — in organising / facilitating MI5 & MI6 bombings of Dublin & Monaghan in 1970′s ;
    Largest
    And, be-the-hokey, has not the Garda-Landlord / Landlord-Garda — CIVIL SERVICE — Investigation File on the Dublin & Monaghan Bombings disappeared from Dublin Castle.
    Fancy that !
    .
    Google.com search terms ;
    .
    Dublin & Monaghan bombings AND Garda file AND Dublin Castle AND Badger
    .
    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=cr&ei=xREKWNX-KYj3vATBj6LYDA&fg=1#q=Dublin+%26+Monaghan+bombings+AND+Garda+file+AND+Dublin+Castle+AND+Badger
    .
    2.2
    general policy of “Official” / “Temporary” Government ;
    Leglislative-Executive-Judiciary [ L.E.J.*]
    *
    Judiciary are not “temporary” ;
    Actally, Judiciary are Civil Servants.
    Thus, they are part of “Permanent” Government ;
    i.e.
    If particular Judge not also of “Hidden” Government
    2.3
    general policy of particular department, or perhaps section of
    2.4
    general policy of Group-Think of group of Civil SERPENTS
    2.5
    personal motivation[s] of Civil SERPENT[S]
    2.6
    “motiveless malignancy” of Civil SERPENT[S]
    .
    .
    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/dan-obrien/you-cant-rely-on-state-figures-if-you-want-a-fair-public-pay-debate-35145674.html

  28. Truthist

    Typo ;
    .
    Largest = I MEANT TO REFER TO THE SCALE OF D & M BOMBINGS IN HISTORY OF MODERN CONFLICT WITH BRITS;
    The Dublin and Monaghan bombings of 17 May 1974 were a series of co-ordinated bombings in Dublin and Monaghan, Ireland.
    3 bombs exploded in Dublin during rush hour and a fourth exploded in Monaghan almost 90 minutes later.
    They killed 33 civilians and a full-term unborn child, and injured almost 300. The bombings were the deadliest attack of the conflict known as the Troubles, and the deadliest attack in the Republic’s history.[2]
    Most of the victims were young women, although the ages of the dead ranged from 5 months to 80 years.
    .
    Ref.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_and_Monaghan_bombings

  29. Truthist

    Many members [ at least Garda ] of Irish Civil Service / The “Permanent” Government of Irish State AND “The Deep State” of Irish State / “The Hidden Government” of Irish State involved in the whole Dublin & Monaghan Bombings atrocities.
    .
    CAPITAL Crimes.
    .
    Treason too.
    Ushered in more of “police” state regime.
    Helped Margaret Thatcher to get into power in UK also.
    .
    Here is some more info. on the so-called incompetence — Hmm…m ; Nay, downright naked criminality — of the Irish Civil Service against the Irish citizens, & foreign persons in Irish State too ;
    .
    http://politico.ie/archive/dublin-and-monaghan-bombings-cover-and-incompetence
    .
    .
    OK, that is as far as I will go with this article to presenting yee evidence of how much our Civil Servants served us with D & M bombings shenanigans.

  30. E. Kavanagh

    What would a productivity increase be for teachers? Would that be increasing the number of pupils in a class? For primary schools, would that be for the teachers to do after-school child minding?

    For secondary schools, would that be increasing the number of classes they teach. But what happens when they reach 8-hours of teaching only?

    This is a typical simplistic economist’s analysis of labour: increase productivity and we’ll increase pay. Increases in pay for productivity increases is reasonable; but that should be above increase in pay to deal with inflation. Why should workers have to suffer decreases in standard of living, and then be expected to increase productivity just to have the same standard of living. The whole notion of having inflation is the dictate of capital; and we expect workers to pay for that inflation with more work and no reward.

    Not just running to stand still; but continually running faster and faster to stand still (or go backwards).

  31. Mike Lucey

    In the case of increased productivity for teachers the obvious root might be to cut their holidays back to the average public service holiday duration and have them put this Mon holiday time into additional educational cases for pupils during these periods.’Free’ grinds so to speak!

    As for guards. Maybe having them patrol town and city streets on foot of bicycles and actually talk to people and not in ‘boy and girl’ arrangements in squad cars might be a good start.

    The local guards in my youth 50 plus years ago where excellent at building relationships with locals and in many cases nipped things in the bud before they escalated and ruined lives.

    • E. Kavanagh

      I’m a little unclear here Mike. Are you serious or are you just imitating a character from “Viz?” The cop would just give them a clap on the year, and they’d go home sorer, but it worked….

      Perhaps the cops could increase productivity by bringing back the heavy gang.

      And what happens after you’ve stolen all the teachers’ holiday time to make up for inflation over the years? What are you going to expect teachers to do then?

  32. mike flannelly

    There is no private sector workers versus public sector workers.

    That is a union invention to deflect from the 140 bn overrun of public servive costs.

    What % of the 140bn have public service unions recieved?

    There are public service costs versus the greater public good.

    Golden unfunded pensions plus lump sums handed out by school teacher politicians to mainly school teachers and their golden circle peers are an unconstitutional tax cost effecting everybody elses services plus the next generations services.

    We ALL want guards, nurses and teachers to recieve fair pay and access to the same constitutional pensions as
    ALL 2 MILLION Irish workers.

    Sure anything less or MORE would be unconstitutional.

  33. mike flannelly

    In Ireland we have 50% more nurses than the UK but refuse to find very sick children and old people a bed in A&E. They get a bed eventually but are first used as bargaining chips by unions that call for more nurses and more money before they service 10% more beds.
    Terminally ill cancer patients are forced come through A&E for emergency admission. “OK whats your name and prsi number” they are asked after spending three years in the very same hospital.
    My distressed terminally ill friend from salthill(2k from hospital) in galway had to wait for an ambulance to come from loughrea 43 km away because the ambulances were all tied up outside the hospital A&E door by our health care staff. More nurses and less working hours is the unions solutions.

    Public service pensions above the contributory pension are a cost and should be allocated as such per dept. The health care workers should have their superannuation payments rewarded the same as the median private pension.
    Anything more is robbing services.
    The teachers should be the same.

    Our teachers in Ireland earn 35 euro an hour and stay at home for 5 months. Michael Noonan told us that most golden (unfunded pensions)circle retired teachers spend their time hopping on and off Ryanair flights boosting the economies of other countries with the taxes of our children.

    There is a social housing crisis for ALL citizens earning below the median wage.

    We need our economists to do an in debth comparision study with regard to service costs per 1,000 population and include pension contribution costs.

    We all want fair pay for politicians, teachers and nurses. Nobody wants a race to the bottom with regard to the ” culture ” in our public services.

    • Truthist

      Top class post again from u Pat.
      .
      Pat, all that u say does point to Irish State’s Health Department [ from Secretary General all the way down to Doctors & Nurses & Porters ] shambles as being deliberate games being played on the patients & erstwhile taxpayers.
      It is indeed a conspiracy.
      .
      U should write a series of slim books revealing this conspiracy.
      People will respect ur revelations more if u charge them for it.
      Up to u the good that u do with the profits.
      .
      At least, the Brits on social media are more open to honest exploration of the sinister corruption that is endemic in the health & social services from their Civil Service than we are here.
      And, yes, there has been, & is, massive amount of sexual abuse of patients — very young to elderly — by Civil SERPENTS & quasi-Civil SERPENTS in Irish State.
      Most perpetrators are male.
      Most victims are those who engage with the “mental” health services.
      The cunning Civil SERPENTS & quasi Civil SERPENTS know that this category of patient has much less credibility & autonomy etc for to get justice.
      .
      Here is example today from Aanirfan.blogspot.com replete of rampant gross sexual abuse by Civil Servants in UK of children ;
      .
      http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2016/10/anglesea-guilty-bryn-estyn-bigger.html
      .
      .

  34. Grzegorz Kolodziej

    My comment on the way MSM reported on the Mr Trump’s locker-room tapes (he should apologise to whom exactly for dirty talk in private – to Mr Billy Bush?!) and some female air passangers accounts of their sexual phantasies involving Mr Donald Trump (as Nietzsche wrote in ‘Thus Spoke Zarathustra’,

    “And thus spoke the little old woman: You go to women? Do not forget the whip!”

    Disclamer: this is not a reflection of my treatment of woman – traditionally old Polish culture deified women, which found its reflection in the First Republic inheritance laws and is still responsible for family meetings genre scenes, where women do all the talking and bossing around, while the men sit hunched, quietly depressed – a direction in which my tastes run – actually a paralel to the auld Zeus-like-Irish-mummy culture, but extrapolated to all women),

    the assymetry of which becomes visible when we compar it to MSM reporting of President Bill Clinton rapes and the Project Veritas (co-funded by a friend of mine, Mr Matthew Tyrmand) releases of a tape proving that Ms Clinton incited violence at Mr Trump rallies (out of the sudden, violence at Mr Trump rallies is so insignificant that it is not worth mentioning)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT9xuXQjxMM

    In fairness, the Irish Pravda vastly improved their coverage compared to previous years – in the past they would only have had active Democrats as their commentators, now RTE radio invited a Republican who pointed out that Mr Obama was for months crying that Ms Clinton rigged the Democratic primaries (not to mention Mr Al Gore or President Kennedy – notably elected thanks to mafia).

    • Grzegorz Kolodziej

      a direction in which my tastes run = nor a direction in which my tastes run (I mean whips – but hey, maybe I am missing on something?)

  35. Truthist

    Hillary’s War Crime
    Paul Craig Roberts

    Today, October 20, 2016, is the fifth anniversary of the murder of Muammar Gaddafi by forces organized and unleashed by US President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Remember the killer bitch’s performance, with gleeful laughter, on CBS “News”: “We came, we saw, he died”.

    Muammar Gaddafi was the most progressive political leader in the world. Gaddafi used Libya’s oil wealth for the benefit of the Libyan people.

    He lived in a tent, a nice tent, but not in a palace, and he did not have collections of European exotic cars or any of the other paraphernalia associated with the ruling families in Saudi Arabia and the oil emirates that are Washington’s Middle Eastern allies.

    In Libya, education, medical treatment, and electricity were free. Gasoline was practically free, selling for 14 US cents per litre. Women who gave birth were supported with cash grants and couples received cash grants upon marriage. Libya’s state bank provided loans without interest and provided free startup capital to farmers.

    Gaddafi’s independence from Washington is what brought him down. Earlier in life Gaddafi’s goal was to organize Arabs as a bloc that could withstand Western depredations.

    Frustrated, he turned to Pan-Africanism and refused to join the US Africa Command. He wanted to introduce a gold-based African currency that would free Africans from American financial hegemony.

    Gaddafi had Chinese energy companies developing Libya’s energy resources. Washington, already upset with Russian presence in the Mediterranean, was now faced with Chinese presence as well. Washington concluded that Gaddafi was playing ball with the wrong people and that he had to go.

    Washington organized mercenaries, termed them “rebels” as in Syria, and sicced them on Libya. When it became clear that Gaddafi’s forces would prevail, Washington tricked naive and gullible Russian and Chinese governments and secured a UN no-fly zone over Libya to be enforced by NATO.

    The express purpose of the no-fly zone was to prevent Gaddafi from attacking civilian targets, which he was not doing.

    The real reason was to prevent a sovereign state from using its own air space so that the Libyan Air Force could not support the troops on the ground.

    Once the gullible Russians and Chinese failed to veto the Security Council’s action, the US and NATO themselves violated the resolution by using Western air power to attack Gaddafi’s forces, thus throwing the conflict to the CIA-organized mercenaries.

    Gaddai was captured and brutally murdered. Ever since, Libya, formerly a prosperous and successful society, has been in chaos, which is where the Obama regime wanted it.

    All sorts of lies were told about Gaddafi and Libya, just as lies were told about Saddam Hussein and are told today about Syria and Russia.

    A British Parliamentary Report concluded unambigiously that the Western peoples were fed lies by their governments in order to gain acceptance for the destruction of Libya, and that Libya was destroyed because Gaddafi was regarded as an obstacle to Western hegemony.

    Note that none of the presstitutes have asked the killer bitch about her guilt under the Nuremburg laws for this war crime prepared on her watch. Note that the oligarchs who own the killer bitch and their press prostitutes intend to make this war criminal the next president of the United States.
    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/10/20/hillarys-war-crime-paul-craig-roberts

    • E. Kavanagh

      Truthist, again with the completely irrelevant.

      • Truthist

        Dear “E”,
        .
        Presently, the Irish Nation, & also the struggling foreign tax-payers in Irish State, must reflect on ;
        “the worthiness / unworthiness of the Irish State Civil Service getting net income PLUS X % that by implication ==> the Private Sector suffer net income MINUS X %”
        .
        This latest essay from Paul Craig Roberts [ former U.S.A. Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy ] is relevant as :

        1.
        excellent example of how a country — Libya under Gadaffi & his Civil Servants inter alia– can be run for the benefit of all the nation’s people

        2.
        example of outcome from more dirty deeds of Irish State’s Civil SERPENTS’ [ e.g.s Department of Foreign Affairs sic, Department of Communication sic [ e.g. RTE ] dirty involvement ( overt [ e.g. "black" propaganda ] & covert ) ] with the illegal invasion & genocide & conquering & plunder & willful destruction of Libya by Neo-Zio proxy NATO & proxy-of-proxy ISIS.

        3.
        example of international policy from U.S.A Prezzie contender Hillary Clinton whom the Irish Civil SERPENTS’ — e.g.’s of specific culprits “Department of An Taoiseach”, “Department of Foreign Affairs” sic., “Department of Communications” sic, — clearly favor & enable all along whilst being hostile to the other main contender Donald Trump.
        .
        .
        Question to u E. Kavanagh ;
        .
        “Are u” / “have u been”
        [ If "Yes" to either or both, please also be so kind as to specify "current" & / or "former" ( Possible to get Irish State Civil Service Pension AND re-enter employment in Irish State Civil Service or Irish State Quango or E.U. Civil Service ) ]
        .
        A]
        an Irish State Civil Servant [ incl. "Public" Servants ] ?
        .
        B]
        an employee of an Irish State Quango ?
        .
        C]
        an E.E.C. / E.C. / E.U. Civil Servant ?
        .
        D]
        a consultant remunerated from :
        .
        D.1
        Irish State Civil Service
        .
        D.2 ?
        Irish State Quango ?
        .
        D.3
        E.E.C. / E.C. / E.U. ?

        • E. Kavanagh

          All “No.”

          Private industry, then self-employed.

          • Truthist

            Thank u for answering.
            .
            Ur stance is very unusual though for a person with ur particular general sub-sector job category history.
            So please understand that a reasonable person would at some stage be prompted to enquire if u were somehow specially linked income-wise with Civil Service / Quango Service.
            Also, worth considering would be :
            A]
            As private sector employee would it be a case that partner [ e.g. spouse ] of urs is Civil Servant ?
            B]
            As self-employed person would it be a case that partner [ e.g. spouse ] of urs is Civil Servant ?
            .
            Returning to the particular gambit by the Civil Service upon us in Private Sector [ Private Sector Employees [ incl. most executive directors of ltd. companies, & plc.'s & co-op.s [ incl. "Kerry Co-op" ], Self-employed ( with no Employees ), Self-employed with Employee(s), Jobless dependent on Social Welfare monies [ incl. Homeless, "Homeless AND Roofless ], & citizens effectively forced out of the country by the State so as to allow Civil Service “especially” continue to receive salaries & benefits in excess of Private Sector ] AND not reform bad behavior to citizens, please reflect on the following generic facts :
            .
            Versus the “typical” Private Sector worker [ the vast bulk of the persons who harvest & / or manufacture the gainful wealth for the Irish State ; Employee & / or Self-Employed ] he typical Civil Servant is :

            1.
            over-paid ; per “net” income & benefits
            And, now they are bullying the Nation [ present & future generations ], & those foreigner workers who happen to be exploited here, to get even more “lula”.
            Maybe this greed is not emanating from them personally, but from :
            greedy wives etc.
            greedy husbands etc.
            greedy masqueraders 8-)

            2.
            inefficient

            3.
            incompetent

            4.
            ineffective

            5.
            untransparent / opaque

            6.
            unaccountable to their actual bosses,
            vis.,
            the citizens
            Especially, the particular citizen[s] of particular issue

            7.
            hostile to the citizens ;
            A whole arsenal of dirty strategies & tactics are resorted to even if citizen is paragon of virtue.
            e.g.s
            Intimidation
            Direct
            or
            Indirect
            e.g.
            by proxy
            [ other Civil SERPENT or Goons from Private Sector ]
            Direct Assault
            or
            Indirect Assault
            e.g.
            by proxy
            [ other Civil SERPENT or Goons from Private Sector ]
            Defamation

            8.
            not personally allowed to be sued ;
            [ unconstitutionally ] alleged
            And, this even though individual Civil Servant is allowed to sue Citizen in area of same context

            9
            over-staffed

            10.
            not allowed to be fired for 1. to 9. [ exclusive ] above

            I could think of more … alas.

  36. Pat Flannery

    Any thoughts anybody on “Britain could cut corporation tax to 10% – report”?

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1023/826194-brexit-banks/

    If all-out economic war breaks out between the EU and the UK on which side does Ireland’s best interest lie? It cannot remain neutral as it did in WWII. This time it will have to decide.

    If Britain uses corporation tax as a weapon Ireland will have nothing to gain by siding with the side that landed its first bomb on Irish soil. The mere fact that the UK has threatened to use that weapon and drop that bomb should warn us to be prepared with some form of defense.

    It seems to me that this time we really will have to rely on “our gallant allies in Europe” because once again Britain is showing that Ireland is expendable in its wars with European nations.

    • Grzegorz Kolodziej


      It seems to me that this time we really will have to rely on “our gallant allies in Europe”

      But has the US not just responded to the gallant allies in Carolingian Europe bullying Ireland by attacking her corporate tax regime using Apple (when Germany has its laws design to maintain its status of the prime destination of money laundering in Europe) by asking Germany to pay a similar amount to the US (Deutsche Bank)?

      “The mere fact that the UK has threatened to use that weapon and drop that bomb should warn us to be prepared with some form of defense.”

      Well, I have been warned before even our host, and was doing a warning myself – when he was portraying the UK as our ally in low corporation tax battles in the EU, I have pointed out the 2013 British Irish-corporation-tax accusations that seem to have escaped his attention up till about this year.

      Yes, British and Irish cultures are intertwined, but Britain’s complete withdrawal from the military pact with Poland in 1939 (including failure to deliver weapons Poland paid Britain for – after handing them in codes to Enigma for free) or Mr Anthony Eden’s insistence on not accepting Eichmann’s offer to exchange soon-to-be-holocausted Jews for 10,000 lorries during his meeting with President Roosevelt show that Britain prefers its national interest over cultural links 10 times out of 10 (there is nothing moral or immoral about it – it is Realpolitics).

      “on which side does Ireland’s best interest lie?”

      Some time ago, when Britain was a Chinese whore in Europe (i.e. steel), I thought perhaps allying with the UK/China against the US and Carolingian Europe.

      Now, as Britain stopped doing so, and it has returned to being a US aircraft carrier in Europe – an aircraft carrier that is becoming very dismissive of Ireland and may become openly hostile to Ireland, while China allied with Russia (and so will Germany when socialdemocrats and AfD come to power), I would tend to think Ireland’s interest would be to ally with the US.

      But but but

      The US is getting weaker and weaker, and in the near future it may be even completely ousted from Europe, not least because of the complete failure of Obamodiocity (hence their meeting with 12 central and eastern EU states in Dubrovnik – the only mention of it in the Irish media was that of mine). What would that US withdrawal do to Ireland’s bargaining power (especially with the yuan now in SDR), I am scared to think (most media are not scared, because they are busy working as a union activists for Dublin Bus – vide Ms Ingrid Miley’s “objectivism” on the DB strike).

      So there are no good solutions, only lesser evils.

      Why not start redefining Ireland’s national interest from the Irish society finally and for the first time realising that there is no other substantial difference between FF and FG other than accents, and that it is in its best interest to have a party system based on ideologies, and not on who wants a planning permission and where, who has cosy relations with some women in the media, or who-is-porking-who-and-from-which-side?

      The US has locker-room tapes, we have a locker-room Dáil: and, judging by voting, the general Irish public seems to love it (masochism as a result of 800 years and all that jazz?).

      On the Irish culture love of masochism and the morbid (hours of Ms Finucane reports on sicknesses, mental illnesses and dying – during Sunday family breakfast):

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9oiO6RVKrU

      • Pat Flannery

        Grzegorz Kolodziej: perhaps Ireland has already made that choice by siding with the US in the Apple case. Ireland may end up competing with the Brits for American multi-national favor while still maintaining EU membership.

        The fact is that American multi-national corporatism rules today’s world. Hilary understands that better than Donald, which is why she will be the next President. The military-industrial complex trusts her more than they trust Trump. She understands how the world really works while The Donald only understands “the art of the deal”, which is mostly bluff.

        Mao’s maxim that “power grows out of the barrel of a gun” never was more apt. The financial world can collapse all it wants but American military power will re-emerge like the “dreary steeples of Fermanagh & Tyrone” after WWI for the Brits.

        Perhaps the corporate tax bomb launched against Ireland today, will fall as a dud. There is more to gaining favor with American corporate power than offering a zero tax rate. Ireland may prove to be a better American aircraft carrier than Britain. All I know for sure from having lived there is that Americans do not trust the Brits. That is a fact.

        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          “Ireland may prove to be a better American aircraft carrier than Britain.”

          That perhaps would be the best scenario for Ireland (assuming the Chinese bubble bursts earlier than the petrodollar collapses). A question is: in case of a more serious conflict, can Ireland play a role of an aircraft carrier while being completely insecure as a location? What do I mean by that?

          The obvious: no air defense whatsoever (even no military radar to cover the whole territory – this is unique in Europe), defense spending comparable to Andorra, completely disarmed society with no survival skills, third biggest energy dependency in the EU (including from Britain).

          Compare that with other US aircraft carriers: UK (similar type of society, but with other carrier conditions met – even though their nuclear deterrent is in a sorry state – I warned Mr Peter Hitchens about it before it became the big news in the English media) or Israel (here all preconditions for being a carrier are met).

          Poland, a third candidade for the US aircraft carrier in Europe (though this will probably never be so, as Poland is and probably always be a battleground between the US, German and Russian intelligence and agents of influence, and even though its army now leans towards the US more towards the EU army, most local structures are still dominated by Germany and, to a much lesser extent, Russia: including entire Wroclaw, Gdansk and Szczecin (Szczecin even has German police operating in the open), is now trying to recreate the army structures and build voluntary Home Guard structues, while diversifying its energy supplies).

          Ireland, in turn, defense-wise, is a sitting duck like no other country in Europe north of Greece: no proper army, no proper police, no air defense, energy dependency like a new-born kitten, a youth – in large – cannot cook, defend, grow vetables, use a knife, has no guns (hence the ridiculous number of gun-related deaths), screwed by landlords and vulture funds, and all it knows is a credit card.

          How to be an aircfraft carrier in these conditions?

          • Pat Flannery

            Those conditions make Ireland the perfect American aircraft carrier. They know every inch of it and exactly how to provision it with the latest military equipment in a matter of days, without preexisting half-assed bumbling military getting in the way, as would happen in Britain.

            But in a war it would probably be less of an aircraft carrier and more of a command and supply base. They already use Shannon as an unofficial mid-Atlantic staging post.

            During WWII De Valera worried more about an American invasion than he did about a British or German one. In any world conflict the Americans will do whatever they need to.

            The American military-industrial complex now includes financial services. Let’s see what Goldman Sachs does over the next few months. What it decides will tell us a lot about the current thinking of the American military-industrial complex.

            You can be sure that British interests will not be a factor. Goldman is 100% American military-industrial complex, as are all the big Wall Street firms.

            As Ireland is expendable to the Brits Britain is expendable to the Americans. I feel safer in Ireland than I would in Britain. Ireland is closer to America both physically and spiritually.

  37. Truthist

    https://spidercatweb.wordpress.com/2016/10/20/hillary-clinton-begs-forgiveness-from-rothschilds/
    .
    EXCERPT FROM ARTICLE ;
    Article includes some of the actual emails.
    .
    “Hillary Clinton Begs Forgiveness From Rothschilds In Leaked Email
    Hillary Clinton asked Lady de Rothschild “Let me know what penance I owe you” after requesting Tony Blair accompany her on official business, preventing him from attending a Rothschild event scheduled for that same weekend.
    Though the influence of money in politics is well-known, many people are amazed to learn that most of that money comes from a very few individuals – the 1% of the 1% as it were. These individuals comprise the global elite, whose mind-boggling fortunes are often used to buy ‘favors’ and even set policy in governments all over the world, not just the United States. Many of these elites made their fortunes through centuries-old banking dynasties. The most infamous of these are undoubtedly the Rothschild family, who have been the world’s wealthiest family for over 200 years.

    Indeed, the most well-known Rothschild patriarch, Mayer Amschel Rothschild,

    once said “Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes its laws.”
    The Rothschilds and their international banking cartel, ‘Rothschild & Co,’ are majority owners of numerous corporations spanning nearly every industry. They are also co-owners of numerous private banks including the International Monetary Fund, which essentially functions as a global loan shark with no government or international oversight, as well as many of the world’s central banks, which are private entities despite their associations with federal governments.

    Several politicians, especially those who are the most willing to bend over backwards for wealthy interests, have made their careers by catering to the whims of the Rothschilds and other families like them. In US politics today, there is no better example of this archetype than Democratic Presidential nominee Hillary Clinton. In fact, less than two months ago, Clinton flew just 20 miles in a private jet to attend a private Rothschild fundraiser in her honor. Yet, this is just one of the latest examples of her intimate relationship to the banking dynasty.

    In emails from her private server made available to the public by WikiLeaks, Clinton’s close relationship to Lady de Rothschild is evident due to their warm exchanges which include phrases such as

    “You are the best […] Sweet dreams,” “I remain your loyal adoring pal,” and “Much love.”
    This is significant as, judging by Clinton’s other emails, her communication style is almost always curt and concise, never approaching the outright declarations of affection found only in her exchanges with Lady de Rothschild.

    Lady de Rothschild, married into the Rothschild family in 2000 after being introduced to Sir Evelyn de Rothschild, who alone is worth $20 billion, at the 1998 Bilderberg Conference. War criminal Henry Kissinger served as the couple’s “match-maker.”

    Yet, the most bizarre interaction between Clinton and Lady de Rothschild took place in an email titled “Info for you” (ID#1606), which was sent while Clinton was serving as US Secretary of State. In the email, Clinton tells Lady de Rothschild that she had to ask Tony Blair (then-Prime Minister of England) to accompany her to Israel due to the Middle East peace negotiations taking place at the time. Blair had previously planned to spend the weekend in Aspen, Colorado with the Rothschilds at an unspecified conference, but accepted Clinton’s invitation. Clinton then says “I hope you all understand. […] Let me know what penance I owe you.” For those who are not familiar with the word, penance is defined as follows: “An act of self-mortification or devotion performed voluntarily to show sorrow for a sin or other wrongdoing.” Does this sound like something Hillary Clinton would normally say ?”
    .
    Yip, Hillary is such a lick ;
    Imagine that our “gallant” — USA Prezzie contender — “friend” licking up to the wife of the bastards who own that IMF shyster outfit who have much of the Irish nation on the rack ;
    Well, not that Irish State’s Civil Servants are on the rack mind u.
    .
    Heck, man, I do not even get Child Benefit for child of mine ;
    And, I am on social welfare only.
    That is not just unconstitutional ;
    It is downright immoral.

  38. McCawber

    To summarise or even generalise -
    The public sector with guaranteed employment and pensions are leading the charge for pay rises while the rest of us are taking the hind tit ie paying for their largesse to themselves.
    Always remember everyone is a special case and I mean all of us.
    Meanwhile in the US 50% of the electorate are thinking with their mamary glands and a bit less than 50% with their penis’.
    Which only goes to show that the punchline to a very old joke – I’m going to vote (it’s actually give it to) for the one with the biggest tits, is still a great crowd pleaser.
    When the whole locker room thing came up Trump had to do just three things.
    1. Tell Hillary to ask Bill to explain it to her.
    2. Repeat no. 1 if necessary or go to 3. Shut up about it.
    But hey what do I know about women.
    Well actually I know two things.
    I don’t understand them and they sure as hell don’t understand me – They don’t like men they don’t understand btw – They think I’m a dinosaur and I don’t dissuade them – It makes life easier.

  39. mike flannelly

    Equality and from what base?

    With the rent crisis we ask the daft trinity guy from what base are rents rising. How much is the rent in a 300,000e apt or a 400,000e house.
    What % of net income is a fair rent?
    Does a 300,000 apt command a certain rent? Nothing to do with the market but based on costs.

    Most progressive companies will help pay for your masters if you want to improve your skillset. You get a pay rise in the future if you pass an interview for promotion.

    The main politicial parties in Ireland are run by school teachers. In Ireland school teachers are paid 35euro an hour and they stay at home for five months. Schoolteachers get golden lump sums and unfunded pensions above the contributory pension that are not based on their contributions like the median private pension. Schoolteachers get 5000e extra a year if they have a masters even though they are doing the same job as before they got their masters. Thats 200,000euro extra per schoolteacher to be paid for by the taxes of our children.

    From what “base” is a recovery? When is a recovery not a recovery but a return.

    Should our poor teachers get 45e an hour and stay at home for six months?

    Ireland badly needs proper internationl comparisions per 1000 population for our cost of services .

    Normally there would be a 20% lower differential between public service salaries and private service salaries to cover pension fund costs etc.

    In Ireland some public service salaries are 30% higher than private service salarie that fund their own pensions. Newer entrants salary inequality is a product of Irish public service unions that try to protect the unfair salaries of older members.

    The justification for high salaries and high rents should be based on
    Real Value Costs
    And not on being politically connected.

  40. mike flannelly

    New entrants are underpaid.
    Older gerontocrats are unconstitutionally overpaid.

    There are 2,000 teachers trained every year for 500 jobs. A teacher job is golden in Ireland. They are brilliant people and deserve fair pay.

    Nurses are brilliant people and deserve good, FAIR pay. Like pensions, having 50% more nurses than the UK is a REAL VALUE COST.

    In my own oponion the most underpaid group are the gardai. I wouldnt do their job for all the tea in china or all the booze in the dail bar.

  41. mike flannelly

    Opinion

  42. Truthist

    Taoiseach contender Mr. Me-hole Martin is clearly highly motivated to arrange for Prezzie contender Ms. Hillary Clinton red carpet upon they both winning their imminent respective contests.
    She would relish that surely
    Me-hole Martin food for thought is aimed to give succor to the Prezzie contender when she finds time to munch it.
    .
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/ff-leader-trump-has-values-of-europes-far-right-35155485.html
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    .
    FF leader: Trump has values of Europe’s far right

    Cormac McQuinn Twitter
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    24/10/2016 | 02:304 COMMENTSSHARE
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    Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump. (AP Photo/ Evan Vucci)
    Micheál Martin has backed Hillary Clinton as his preferred choice to win the US presidential election, arguing that Donald Trump shares values with the “extreme right” in Europe.
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    The Fianna Fáil leader called Ms Clinton “a great friend of Ireland” and a “voice for decency” in contrast to Mr Trump.
    The campaign of billionaire property tycoon and reality TV star Mr Trump has lurched from crisis to crisis in recent weeks. He has been hit with a series accusations about his treatment of women, following the release of a tape where he was recorded making lewd comments about an actress.

    Mr Trump has made anti-immigration policies a cornerstone of his campaign and Mr Martin’s remarks appear targeted at this.
    He spoke of a rise of authoritarian populists in many countries and how “these dark forces” must be opposed. He noted that the US election was two weeks away and said: “The behaviour of the Republican candidate [Mr Trump] has a frightening amount in common with extreme right parties in Europe.

    “In contrast, Hillary Clinton has been a resolute voice for decency and democratic values.”
    It is unusual for senior political figures here to express a preference for which candidate will win a US election, but Mr Martin said: “I for one have no difficulty saying that Hillary Clinton is the only choice for people who care for the success of America and its role as the world’s leading democracy.”

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