October 10, 2016

There will be a hard Brexit

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I’m sitting opposite the “Spitfire” Meeting Room in Southampton airport. The echoes of “their finest hour” are everywhere on the south coast of England, not surprisingly. Southampton, one of the main ports for British trade with Europe, voted overwhelmingly for Brexit, proving that there’s no end to the self-harm that certain parts of England will endure in the name of sovereignty.


But sovereignty is what it’s all about here. Despite the fact that most workers in the airport appear to be foreign – or maybe because of it – the mood down here in deepest Hampshire is strangely anti-foreigner.


Britain has been a land of immigrants for a long time now, not least for the six million British people who have at least one Irish grandparent. But the Irish are not foreigners here and never have been seen as such.


While there may have been casual racism against us from some quarters, there is no real sense that the Irish are regarded as foreigners by most. Different yes, but foreigners, no.


What is strange is the anti-immigrant shift in British political discourse. I’m flying to Belfast City airport in East Belfast, another constituency that voted to leave the EU. In East Belfast, the issue wasn’t foreigners – because let’s face it, there’s hardly a queue of immigrants bashing down the doors of the Lower Newtownards Road. In East Belfast, Brexit wasn’t anti-foreigner; it was anti the other lot across the Lagan.


However, both votes are linked by nationalism. In Hampshire, it is English nationalism. In East Belfast, it is British nationalism. Interestingly, English nationalism may eventually undermine British nationalism, leaving unionists high and dry. In fact, if you gave the English a say, it’s highly likely that the English would vote for the unionists and indeed the Scottish Nationalists to take a hike.


Over the course of my few days here, which involved a short speech in the non-EU Channel Islands, the sense of English nationalism has been more palpable than at any other time that I’ve spent out here in the Shires. This tone was echoed at the Tory Party conference and British business people – at least the ones I have been speaking to – do not like what they are hearing from Theresa May.


The Tories have always been the party of business. And this means open borders, free trade and of course, immigration. If the Tories veer off in a protectionist direction, who will speak for British business?


What was the Home Secretary doing speaking of ‘flushing out’ companies that employed foreigners? What about the call for the NHS to be populated by British staff? Anyone who has ever been in a British hospital knows that the entire system is held together by immigrants. What would the NHS be without Jamaican nurses, Polish porters or Indian doctors?


However, the mood has shifted profoundly. There will be a hard Brexit. From here, Britain’s economic and social policy will look and feel like the 1970s. There will be much more government spending on public services.


There will be a significant increase in state aids to bolster British industry. This is due, in part, to address the fact that although all of England voted for Brexit, the Midlands and the North’s industrial decline needs to be arrested. This means re-industrialisation with the help of subsidies.


The message the Tories want to put out is they are a “One Nation” party and they are the party of government for all England.


This means that the Tories, ever opportunistic, are going to drive home the advantage Brexit gives them, even though the party actually campaigned to Remain! This has been conveniently overlooked. The main imperative now for the Tories is to destroy the wounded Labour Party. Labour’s self-inflicted immolation under Jeremy Corbyn is a huge opportunity for the Tories and they intend to be the party of all things for everyone, everywhere in England.


This means Britain’s budget deficit will rise substantially. Interest rates will rise too, maybe not substantially, but any rise will be psychologically significant given that they have been at zero for some time. Any moves to kick out foreign workers means wages have to rise in Britain because immigrants keep wages down. The Bank of England will keep an eye on this and also it will be on alert to look tough in reaction to the criticism Theresa May doled out in Threadneedle Street’s direction in the past few days.


In short, it’s all change across the water. The Brexiters have been emboldened by the fact that in June, 71 per cent of City economists said Britain would experience a recession this year if Brexit was voted for. Brexit was voted for and what happened, the economy didn’t fall off a cliff; in fact, it expanded. The IMF now says Britain will be the fastest growing large economy in the world next year! The experts got it totally wrong.


The rapid fall in sterling has given exporters a massive shot in the arm. The fall in sterling has also led to a massive increase in mergers and investment as foreign investors pick up UK assets cheaply.


Here in Belfast you can really feel the value. Things are so much cheaper than in Dublin, it is surprising that anyone shops in the Republic anymore. I expect Christmas shopping in the North will go through the roof this year. The Irish economy has to deal with this.


The euro has always been an impossibly inconsistent currency for us. The punt was just fine, and now our euro commitment, which has been a total disaster for Ireland with a massive currency-related boom followed by a massive debt-related bust, will come under scrutiny again.


However, the long-term outlook for sterling has to be that it rebounds against the euro. So the bargains are there to be picked up now.


Ireland has to deal with Brexit. There are many opportunities for us. However, it is now becoming rapidly evident that the Brexit has changed Britain, changed it utterly.

  1. Happy Thanksgiving to all from Salt Spring Island.

  2. “If the Tories veer off in a protectionist direction, who will speak for British business?”

    Brexit has nothing to do with protectionism. It is all to do with retaining control of ones life. Personal sovereignty, national sovereignty. Who needs to be governed by faceless bureaucrats in a foreign land.

    Britain has always traded and always will.

    If Canada can negotiate CEDA then Britain will cut a deal too.

    • Grzegorz Kolodziej

      Well, that’s a big if – France is strongly against CETA and they will probably block it. Besides, CETA is very different from the kind of a deal Britain wants (although it would be more fair to say that Britain does not know what it wants to do after invoking Article 50).

      As quoted in a book “Schach 2000 Jahre Spiel-Geschichte by R. Finkenzeller, W. Ziehr and E. Bührer” (Stuttgart, 1989), a famous Polish-Jewish chess player Savielly Tartakower (who was lucky to find himself on September 1, 1939 in Argentine during the chess Olympiad – and even though he was offered to take on foreign citizenship, he decided to retain the Polish one and played in Buenos Aires with a Polish flag on his table)
      has said,

      ‘Eine Drohung ist stärker als eine Ausführung’
      (‘The threat is stronger than the execution’).

      Once the UK was in the EU, they could threat and demand all sort of things under pain of leaving the EU. Now, it’s the other way round – it’s the EU countries that can demand all sort of things from the UK under pain of cutting them off the single market (and if Crooked Hillary wins, the UK will be – as President Obama said – at the back of the queue with trade negotiations).

      The UK’s demand is simply childish: “let us retain all advantages of us being in the single market, but with no freedom of movement for the EU citizens and no membership fee (with the rebate they had been given) – or else we won’t buy German products”;

      in other words, give us everything we want for nothing in return.

      To that, the Caroligian Europe can say: “we sell more products to the Visegrad Group than to the UK, while you are 38 times more dependent on money from derivatives clearing than Switzerland so you can go and f…k yourselves”.

      Besides, the Carolingian Europe simply cannot afford NOT TO be bullish towards Little Britain, because if the UK can retain all privileges of the single market with no cost, other countries will see that and demand a similar deal; and while countries like Poland (who has this year become a netto payer to the EU and is able to liquidate 1 million jobs in Germany with one stroke by throwing out their supermakets) can afford being outside the EU, countries like Germany (for which Eastern Europe is the biggest export market in the world), France, or Benelux cannot.

      But does it mean that voting for Brexit was a bad move?

      I have always been saying on this blog that this DEPENDS ON what Britain does NEXT.

      If Britain deregulates, introduces limits on unwanted kind of immigration (i.e. those beheading people on streets) and embarks on a sound money system, then Brexit was a brilliant move.

      So far however, Britain goes the other way round (which I was also warning about): more regulation to please the lumpenproletariat, risk of the right king of immigrants leaving in exchange of old Britons parasiting on the EU health systems returning and burdening the NHS, as treating the UK tourists in the EU costs 5 times more than the EU citizens in Britain



      (as 10% of NHS doctors and 4% of nurses are from the EU, while Britons take more in benefits abroad than the EU citizens in Britain), and going towards even more debt and more unsound money system – as the recent move by Mr Carney has shown (and as Mr McWilliams wrote:

      “This means Britain’s budget deficit will rise substantially.” = and more debt means LESS, not more sovereingty – G.K.

      P.S. I reiterate my question to Tony – what do people say and the Canadian press writes about CETA, from a Canadian point of view? – in short summary. It would be good to hear it from someone local as there is not much talk about it in Europe, and what there is, might be distorted. Some people claim that CETA might be worse than TTiP.

      Finally – MY SINCERE CONGRATULATIONS TO DAVID MCWILLIAMS FOR LANDING A JOB AT TV3 WITH THE “AGENDA” PROGRAM – I REALLY LIKED “THE BIG BITE” WITH HIM (actually, the only program in the Irish media where you could hear an intelligent conversation, maybe with an exception of some Frontlines) AND I HOPE HE WILL MAKE THE IRISH MEDIA A LITTLE BIT LESS NORTH-KOREAN IN ITS DIVERSITY, OR RATHER LACK THEREOF :-)


      • AlfieMoone

        ‘The UK’s demand is simply childish: “let us retain all advantages of us being in the single market, but with no freedom of movement for the EU citizens and no membership fee’ Grzegorz Kolodziej

        Let’s re-frame those words in relation to the Republic Of Ireland and it’s ‘most favoured Nation’ privileges under the Common Travel Area between the islands of Ireland and Britain:

        ‘The Republic of Ireland’s demand is simply childish: “let us retain all advantages of us being in the United Kingdom, but with freedom of movement for Irish citizens and no membership fee’

        ‘old Britons parasiting on the EU health systems returning and burdening the NHS, as treating the UK tourists in the EU costs 5 times more than the EU citizens in Britain’

        I don’t think openly inflaming Ageism is a very sound way forward. The costs of treating elderly ex-pats in, mainly France, Portugal & Spain is dwarfed by the financial benefits of their property extravaganzas and golf-course fees which have fuelled economic development in otherwise desolate regions. All 3 countries would suffer an enormous economic implosion if they cut off the British sun-seeking ‘snow-bird’ honeypot as Brits would just go somewhere else, probably Australia and NZ with their pension funds. Not to mention the likely exodus of British tourists from any country that behaved that way. It’s bad enough putting up with Germans nicking all the sun-beds at dawn…

        If the cost-benefit calculations needs to be adjusted post-Brexit then so what? Given that most EU nationals already have the right to remain in the UK it would be an act of utter reputational folly for any chippy EU states to be seen to be using pensioners as pawns. As bad as using anyone else..


        There is NO credible threat which the EU can bring to bear on the UK, none that doesn’t involve economic MAD: mutual assured distruction. The UK isn’t Greece, mate. Nobody is going to boss the English around and O’Bama got his arse handed back to him for even trying, as will Clinton. The worse-case scenario for the UK is to revert to WTO protocols and legal frame-work. Guess what? That’s what some of us Brexit boys want. And dont’ think the EU is a unified block in response to Brexit. If I was Juncker I’d be very, very wary about stirring up the hornet’s nest of Le Pen France who are openly contemptuous of the EU and will regard any attempt to thwart Brexit as a declaration of war: on them, not on the UK. The EU is doomed by it’s own arrogance. A new Atlanticist trading block led by the UK is now inevitable. The Danes will be first to join…then…?

        Marine Le Pen on Brexit, Frexit and the future of Europe
        7 October 2016


        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          “mainly France, Portugal & Spain is dwarfed by the financial benefits of their property extravaganzas and golf-course fees which have fuelled economic development in otherwise desolate regions.”

          Yes, you are right, honorauble Alfie – but please bear in mind, that their property extravaganzas benefit the corrupt upper crust in Spain or Portugal, and are to detriment of an ordirnary Spaniard – same as property extravaganzas in Dublin benefit the corrupt circle that David McWilliams described so well in his Abbey gig a decade ago, not an ordinary working/renting/having mortgage ordinary young/middle age Irishman – for him/her it would have been better if there never was a property bubble.

          As to France, I slowly start thinking of it as of a country so dangerous to itself and its neighbours that it will eventually be isolated from the EU, because their police is simple not in charge of their country, and I think that even Le Pen’s win will be not change it:


          “And dont’ think the EU is a unified block in response to Brexit.”

          Not it is not:

          Germany and France secretly rejoiced it, Poland openly regreted it:


        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          Alfie, I am conveying how some politics in the EU think and what arguments they can use after article 50 is invoked – not expressing what I think about Great Britain.

          Every time I was either active politically or otherwise, I tried to anticipate my opponents moves. I inherited that attitude from 8 years of fist fights in primary school (that includes me being beaten up more often than beating up someone, and knocking someone unconscious once), handling and controlling dangerous crowds of drunken males when I was in charge of 213 rooms building, and a few years of Leinster League chess (no other activity including shooting, politcs and womanising makes you so suspicious as chess).

          If you want to my sensitive and emotional side to emerge, we would have to talk about kittens, not Brexit negotiations

      • AlfieMoone

        And with Putin moving missiles to Kaliningrad, I very much doubt that anyone in the Baltics is going to allow the shield of the UK to be lifted via a pointless economic war started in Brussels. It isn’t going to happen…but if I was Polish, I’d be far more concerned about what IS likely to happen, not because of Brexit, but as a direct result of Grexit and the premature expansionary drive into Eastern Europe which sowed the seeds of the EU collapse ending in the absurd adventurism of the Ukraine debacle. Brexit. Grexit. It’s the start of something far more fundamental, something sadly far more inevitable but we are where we are….and nobody or nothing can or will frustrate Brexit…because Culture *trumps* Economics. Always…..always…..

        “I have actually a rather drastic suggestion. Culture revolution succeeds by wiping off bad arrangements, and replacing them with good ones. I know nobody’s going to follow me up on this, but I would wipe the slate clean and start a new European Union, because I think we need European Union. So what’s more likely to happen, I think is things will be muddling along, and so the good outcome would be if there would be a core Europe—so something like France Germany Italy Benelux Austria, and perhaps Spain and Portugal.

        I would actually prefer elections to—right now the bureaucrats in Brussels, they don’t really respond to the popular wishes, I mean there’s the European Parliament, but it doesn’t really do much. So there’s got to be a better set of institutions that would channel popular desires into policy, so basically what needs to be done is to do some creative destruction here, hopefully without anybody getting killed.

        I don’t know precisely what kind of institutions would work but I know that the present set didn’t work, and so it has to be changed dramatically, and I think the way to do it is for core set of states, maybe even just France, Germany, Benelux to start, evolve a better set of institutions, and then slowly accept more members. And there is some talk of that…’

        ‘A cultural evolutionary explanation for the not-so-surprising Brexit outcome. Anthropologist Peter Turchin explains how the seeds of Brexit unrest were planted during the Carolingian Empire’


        Hey! Dublin! Vilnius calling!

        I was there a few weeks ago, the youngsters all speak English, see what’s unfolding in Estonia and are shaping up to steal the food off Paddy’s plate…and it’s a breath-takingly beautiful city and cheap as chips, unlike Dublin…which has lost the run of itself, to put it mildly…so, Lisbon, Vilnius…game on the the post-Brexit carve-up, no idea why D4 assumes they’ll win the lottery in the future just because they did in the past…add in Baltics vs Visegrad and it’s all bubbling to the boil..

        ‘Come to Lithuania! ‘Britain has lost business advantages after Brexit’, says country

        LITHUANIA has embarked upon an aggressive drive to lure companies out of the UK and into its capital city after Britain’s vote to leave the European Union (EU).’


        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          “And with Putin moving missiles to Kaliningrad, I very much doubt that anyone in the Baltics is going to allow the shield of the UK”

          Well, there is not much more reason why else they would still be in the EU (particularly Estonia, a country which is more free-market than Ireland), especially after letting their agricultural products replaced with German, Dutch (yuck! – by far the worst tasting vegetables in the world; their tomatoes are like a washing powder, blueberries like a cotton-wool), Scandinavian and French products, and after this “plantations through property debt”:


        • CitizenWhy

          Britain is adequately protected by the 800 US bases on the Russian borders. Moving weapons closer to Poland is Russia’s response to this aggression by the US, including its hiring of private and covert armies to drive out the pro-Russian premier of Ukraine (which is a failed state no matter who “runs” it).

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            “800 US bases on the Russian borders.”

            I have to say I have not read anything so stupid for a long time. This is a good example of how people nowadays are completely unable to do any research on their own (sadly, that goes for some journalists too, like Mr Scully from The Irish Times), and believe every idiotic things they hear.

            The only US bases on the Russian borders I can think of are:

            - Incirlik Air Base in Turkey
            - when you push it, you can add 3 bases in Japan, though one can hardly call it “on the Russian border”

            Maybe I missed something, but I cannot recall any else at the moment.

            I’d be generous and add NATO bases on the Russian border to that list.
            That’d be a few (less than 10), but it’s nowhere near what Russia has at NATO’s border in Kaliningrad.

            Btw, how would Russia feel if the US bombers were flying over Moscow simulating the nuclear attack?

            Because that’s what Russia was doing in Sweden (and other places too) a good few years ago.

            “Moving weapons closer to Poland is Russia’s response to this aggression by the US”

            Well, moving the anti-rocket shield to Poland has been the US’s belated response of Russia pouring weapons to Kalinigrad since Vladimir Putin came to power.And btw, despite all the propaganda you hear (see the lie above), the US nuclear military infrastructure is defensive (while Russia’s is aggressive), the US nuclear military doctrine was until recently defensive (Russia’s has been aggressive since Mr Putin), and – I have never stated otherwise – the US
            f o r e i g n p o l i c y is aggressive (so it’s Russia’s, but Russia has less power than the US).

            And btw, if Mr Trump becomes a President, he might as well move nukes to Poland, because he has already said that if the “sucker” (President Putin) flies his planes over ships in the Baltic Sea, he will shoot them down.

            Also, at the recent closed meeting with the Polish diaspora he hinted he will make Poland the US main NATO ally in the continental Europe since Germany has not been paying their due contributions to NATO.

            Maybe if President Putin focused on diversifying his economy to fight the demographic collapse in Russia, instead of attacking civilian Swedish and Lithuanian ship on the Baltic and having his mentor Mr Dugin say that “Russia should conquer Europe”, then Russia would be a stronger economy and would not have to replace the lack of economic success this year with intensified propaganda?

            This is what I think he should do: focus on domestic issues rather than solve his recent domestic failure (Russia’s budget is collapsing due to cheap oil) by flexing his muscles for the use of the domestic audience?

      • michaelcoughlan

        Hi Gresgorz,

        “while you are 38 times more dependent on money from derivatives clearing ”

        Does that mean the apportioning of losses and profits once the trade is over per derivative contact?

        Thanks in advance,


        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          No, in total – the derivatives clearing house operations in the UK are 38 times bigger a sector than in Switzerland (which is also a financial centre).

          Bear in mind, it is not like I suddenly changed into the Blairites side – before the referendum, I was declaring myself as UKiP supporter many times (even more so their biggest ally in the EU Parliament was Polish PiS, with which I moderately sympathise on the lines “half a loaf is better than no bread” – even though I am soon going to publish in Polish a massively critical article on the Law and Justice Foreign Minister).

          But coming to a referendum, I started having misgivings about UKiP (and their lack of any positive plan – that is what to do after Brexit other than to trade with non-Europe rather than what not to do).

          This has found its epression in these words I wrote to Mr Peter Hitchens on June 29, 2016 (which is in keeping with the question you have asked, and for which he found no counterarguments):

          “The only Brexit option that would allow Britain the tariff-free trade to continue is the Norwegian option. That means 95% (per head) of Britain’s present fee (for the access to EEA), with 0% subsidy in return, and Britain will still have to allow all EU immigration and follow all EU regulations (which will be just faxed to Britain).

          In 2011 Norway tried not to implement o n e EU regulation (they tried to retain control over their postal service) and the EU threatened Norway with an immediate loss of access to the single market (via so the called ‘guillotine clause’).

          So what about the Swiss option? Switzerland has no access to EU’s financial market, which generates the vast majority of Britain’s GDP.

          So what about the Canadian option – a free trade agreement? Well, if Britain is ready to wait for 7 years, then yes, it is an option for Britain (by which time Britain will probably become a caliphate anyway, which will result in eastern European countries introducing Australian-style point systems for those Britons who do not want their daughters appearance to resemble tents).”

          How many people in Ireland (the Sun readers) laughed at me when I told them this is what is going happen!

          Dare I say that the Remain side got drunk with their detachment from the pre-referendum reality, but many Brexit voters got drunk with their post-EU vision of Britain?

          Poland is a country whose independence has been constantly threatened and the Poles know that independence is not something one gets for Christmas, but it means being ready for blood, sweat and tears.

          Like I have been repeating ad nauseam on this blood: Brexit is a first step towards prosperity, but IT IS NOT BREXIT that will bring it – it is WHAT IS DONE AFTER BREXIT.

          And, as I have wrote before the referendum, I see two ways for post-Brexit Britain: prosperous as Singapore, or dismembered into the Little England and run like Greece was run.

          At the end of the day, Brexit means CHANGE – not only regarding immigrsation policies, but the ENTIRE CONSENSUS.

          Britain with immigration controls and deregulation (that also means stopping QE to suit the City) = the most powerful country in Europe

          Britain with immigration controls and NO OTHER SYSTEMIC CHANGE + policies to suit the City = GREECE

          After Brexit, I was shocked that UKiP in general and Mr Farage in particular have withdrawn from British politics, shunning responsibility for their country.

          This shows they had no clue; and my feelings were corroborated when I see the discussion in Britain (the rulling Tories are only now slowly catching up with the reality of what I had told the in June).

          Mr Hitchens grins and bears it, saying that people in the UK are so anti-immigration that they are ready to pay the costs of having no single market.

          Well, that’s fine, except this a 180 degree opposite to what he had been saying before the referendum; as well to what Mr Farage and the Brexit movie was saying (that Brexit will mean limits on immigration, deregulation, less costs and single market with no membership fee).

          In that wider context, I find the English Central Bank’s increasing money supply policies really worrying because it means that:

          1. They (the whole British establishment, from Labour through Tories to UKiP, with their banksters and freemasonary in each of them) really have no clue

          2. It gives rise to a possibility that when the disgruntled voters see no real improvement within the next year or two, someone like Mr Corbyn will be elected.

          Bringing up Switzerland in the context of Brexit is very relevant because it allows to contrast two, one would think, similar non-EU countries:

          1. Switzerland, which, unlike England which only has Asian manufacturers whose single purpose of being there is the access to single market (this is skipped by those who think that the only consequence of WTO tariffs will be a few percent tariff), actually manufactures its own things (i.e. their agriculture is not reliant on CPA, and there is this high-tech or luxury sector); while the entire estuary ares is only driven by the City

          2. All mafias and dictators have accounts in Switzerland and Liechtenstein, which make them pretty secure – while Britain would have to have British-controlled nukes to afford the Swiss kind of neutrality (not to mention that pretty much every male has access to a machine gun in Switzerland, which makes its islamisation somewhat more difficult).

          I would be curious your own thougths on UKiP: I mean, are you dissapointed with their lack of responsibility for the country (Mr Farage is ready to go to other countries to campaign in their exit referendums, but would not help his own country and says he achieved his goal), or do you think this is just fine that Ms May, who was not even for Brexit (neither was most of the Tories) has to now do Mr Farage’s difficult job (as it is always easier to protest and criticise than to build towards post-EU Britain)?

    • onq

      “Who needs to be governed by faceless bureaucrats in a foreign land”

      Yeah, far better to be governed by faceless bureaucrats in your own land.

      Right on!

      • There is a political response enabled in a sovereign country but none at all avaliable from Europe which is not a democracy as the EMP’s elected have no power but just an advisory capacity.
        British people are better off, in that respect, being out of the Eu rather than enmeshed within it.

    • Grzegorz

      I happened to buy a paper today to scan while waiting a ferry and caught this article


  3. bluegalway

    Self harm? NHS would fall apart without foreigners?
    Typical of the mainstream media who want to see enforced diversity, and economists who think that everything must be predicated on economics.
    In Britain they have chosen to import doctors and nurses – 3 out of 10 doctors are foreign nationals and half of all nurses are foreign nationals. So British trained doctors and nurses have to move abroad to find work. Great plan.
    In Germany they have chosen to train German nationals – 95% of all doctors and nurses are German nationals, only 5% are foreign nationals.
    Which is the better plan for the people of those two countries?
    And how dare British people vote to be free of a burdensome, ineffective bureaucracy in Brussels and instead to have more control over the run of their country. The nerve.
    And how dare they question, let alone object or even challenge, the fact they have had mass immigration for the past 18 years, after considerable immigration since 1948. Where they are in the distinct minority in large parts of major urban areas, and the first national capital in human history where the native population is now the minority.
    MigrationWatch said: “When you look at the consequences of this kind of change long term the public will be dismayed and will be worried. This has happened as a direct result of Labour’s policy of mass migration (started in 1998) which was foisted upon the country without any thought for the future effects.”
    The immigrant population of England and Wales has grown by more than 4 million in the past 15 years and contributed massively to the changing face of modern Britain. The UK Census, which takes place every 10 years, offers a clearer picture of the state of the nation by breaking down the white population into white British, Irish, Irish traveller and other white.
    London’s 3.7 million white Britons were already a minority – 44.9 per cent of the population – and researchers said the same will be true in Birmingham by 2020. The east London borough of Newham is shown to be the most diverse local authority area in the country with a white British population of just 15%. Of Newham’s 308,000 residents, just 143,000 were born in the UK. And of those, only 52,000 declared themselves white British.
    This is an increasing worry now in Ireland. But immigration as an election topic is assiduously avoided on the doorstep, and ignored by virtually all of the press and media. Why?
    It is not that it might happen in Ireland. It is already happening and there will be profound consequences. And not in a good way.

    • ex_pat_northerner

      It was interesting to note that areas like Bradford voted strongly for brexit. Less EU migration means more chance of former colony migration especially in NHS and social care.

      • AlfieMoone

        The main reason for a Hard Brexit is so The British can Carry On Currying….it’s a Cultural Algorithm thing, ‘economics’ can only scratch the surface of just how important it is for everyone in Brum to be able to leave the club at 4:00am and decant to restaurants in Sparkhill with names like “I AM THE KING OF THE BALTI!” although that’s been rebranded/upcycled now as it was a bit too camp/kitsch/tacky. A pub called ‘The Mermaid’ which used to be the epicentre for Irish Precariat Day Labourers in the 70s is now also a curry house..the most vociferous calls I heard for Brexit came from the non-white 2nd generation immigrants in inner-city Brum. It seems like it’s not just us white Shire Irish Brexit BrummieBoys who’ve said #FcUKEU….

        ‘Minister Priti Patel: Quit EU to save our curry houses’

        ‘Who will cook your Indian curry?’
        By Nick Robinson

        Pasha Khandakar, the president of the Bangladesh Caterers Association, told me that this was an “immigration double standard”.

        “We’ve been told by British ministers to import European Union people,” he said, pointing to a “language problem, a culture problem and a smell problem.” He contends that Eastern European workers dislike the smell of curries.
        “We have to give chance for everyone in this world who’s fit for these jobs – not for their colour, not for their geographical identity.”
        ‘Save the curry industry’
        “Why should it be easier and cheaper to hire a Romanian to work in a curry house than a Bangladeshi?” many British Asians ask.
        Why, indeed, should it be so easy for Eastern Europeans to bring their families to live with them when it is now so much harder than it once was for the families of British people with Commonwealth roots to do the same?’


        • Tull McAdoo

          Save the “curry house” , what about saving the “Great British sausage”, …….Yes Minister.

          • AlfieMoone

            The Great British Bake-Off

            Full English Brexit

            Ulster Fry Tayto special edition crisps!

            It wuz da British diet wot done it for Brexit!

            But, Tull McAdoo, the British Sausage is no joking matter! Nor is the Danish Rasher situation even though me and ex-Prez Mary Robinson will have ye all Virtually Vegan in a few years….

            When I was in Jutland recently the local lads I met included a couple involved in the Danish pork industry which is ‘selling Port to China’ on an industrial scale. They, too, have stringent animal welfare standards matching if not exceeding British and Irish levels and face the same ‘level playing field’ issues with the EUrocrats:

            ‘Published on Feb 24, 2016

            Voters are going to be told throughout the referendum campaign that the European Union affects their everyday lives. But how?
            In its series Europe In 10 Objects, the Today programme is exploring the costs and benefits of the EU by looking in detail at objects people encounter in their daily lives. Chief correspondent Matthew Price starts with the humble British sausage.’


        • AlfieMoone

          You have to drill down into the nitty-gritty of all this ‘foreigner’ and ‘immigrant’ stuff. England is irrevocably a multi-racial nation and that is a good thing. It’s also moving away from fake ghetto-multiculturalism and moving towards what I call UniDiversity whereby each arriving sub-culture adds to the Global GB remix/mash-up but under an over-arching framework of Embracing Englishness, which means the Rule of Law, tolerance of difference and rejection of extremism. The battle against ISIS will be fought and won in Brum and Leicester, not by wailing Guardianistas with their fake bullshit “Refugees Welcome!” because that enrages my Peaky Punjabi mates who say “FcUK off with your nonsense! Stop bombing the middle-east so we can cut off the head of the Saudi snake in Small Heath!”

          As for the NHS: Why isn’t it racist to steal health-care workers from ‘foreign’ lands? Why is that form of colonialism any less egregious than the first version of going there and stealing physical resources? Now the EU goes and nicks doctors and nurses leaving chaos and underdevelpment. THAT is the racist elephant in the EU room, folks! Or one of them. The CAP impoverishment of Africa is another…I could go on….

          “Brexit could spark a total collapse of the single currency and the economic bloc, JPMorgan chief executive Jamie Dinon warned.

          Speaking at the International Institute of Finance he said Britain’s departure “made the chances of the eurozone not surviving in the next decade five times higher,” reported the Financial Times.

          Fears over the eurozone’s stability have jumped following Brexit, added James Gorman, chief executive of Morgan Stanley.”

          Tough. It’s Brexit, bitches. Deal with it.

          Why do Guardianista elites insist that every single official form has an Ethnic Minority survey but go totally bat-shit crazy when Birth-Country-Of-Origin is added to job application forms? It’s easy to find out why. If it’s proven that British Business is seeking easy profitability by launching recruitment fairs in Warsaw for jobs that aren’t even advertised in Wakefield Job Centre at the same time as their LibLabCon con-artist fluffers and enablers in Parliament are terrorising the abandonded industrial working class, labelling them as shirkers, idlers for not taking jobs that don’t exist for them, then that is Class War and will be responded to appropriately…

          ‘Boris Johnson accuses business chiefs of being addicted to foreign labour ‘as if it were a drug’’

          There is nothing sinister in data-mining the birth country of origin of the workforce, indeed it’s preposterous for any politician to claim they are engaging with the issue of uncontrolled immigration for corporate profit unless and until they do. Nobody intends to name and shame individual workers but the PR disaster of the launch of this policy at the Tory Party Conference was a text-book example of how NOT to communicate sensitive policy changes. Amber Rudd is no racist and neither is Dan Hodges, though she’s a Tory and he’s a Blairite and I’d put them both on a plane with a one way ticket to anywhere Ryanair cares to fly them…

          Behind all this froth and nonsense is the ongoing Globalist campaign for a 2nd UK Referendum on membership of the EU. But Juncker and his mates have already blown it by trying on their hard-man crap. And the deeper insight is that the resurgence of Core UK England and Wales is dreaded and feared by almost every other country in the world because they know that the Core UK Cultural Algorithm will win…in other words…begrudery…


          • AlfieMoone

            Irish people are not seen as ‘foreign’ because they aren’t ‘foreign’. Ireland never left the other island as the continued existence of the CTA proves. The entire economic model of the Republic of Ireland is predicated on the CTA remaining open and that is the issue Irish people should be focussed on, not sticking their noses into finessing the English debate on how new cultural algorithms are embraced and assimilated into England. There’s enough work for Paddy to figure out how to do that stuff with the New Irish as it’s only a couple of years before this all kicks off on the island of Ireland once Grexit ensures the EUro goes tits up..

            “I caution that this will be a decision not just by the UK or Irish governments but ultimately also by the 27 EU states. I have been impressing on my fellow 26 EU foreign ministerial colleagues the importance of maintaining what is now an invisible border. I have to say there was among them a deep understanding of the consequences for the peace process of the reimposition of a heavily fortified border,” Charlie Flanagan

            I’m keeping a beady eye on you, Charlie. Don’t fcUK with Mad pADdy frOm Brum. Tell Juncker to take a hike if he tries to banjax this and impose a Hard Border to make a Hard Brexit hurt. It’s Ireland, not Core UK England and Wales that will take the resulting hit if he succeeds. He’s devious, truculent and unreliable but needs Irish Globalist stooges…you’d better not kneel before any Foreign Power…or you’ll have to face me…and you will not enjoy that experience, Charlie….

            Before any other eejity Irish member of the commentariat starts Virtue Signalling about ‘English Racism’ or the sheer horror of data mining immigrants birth-country-of-origin in England, have a little lie-down, a biscuit and a cup of tea, read this article and then get back to me. What’s more important, Paddy? Protecting the very fabric of the economy of the Republic of Ireland from economic and terrorist threats? Or joining the Islington bed-wetters as they fret about whether or not the local Somali restaurant will or won’t be joined by affected by Brexit…?

            What this article is confirming is exactly what I have written: Ireland never left the United Kingdom, it was merely taken over by a new power clique who took the existing co-dependence between Norman Aristocrat Pirates on both islands and ramped it up via banks, not tanks. It will now formalise that situation by Ireland running Core UK passport/visa and terror control operations. It’s funny…you could NOT make this stuff up! 1916? How are ye? LOL! The first thing a serious Sean Nos Irish Nationalist would do is close the CTA…but that would implode the Irish economy…unless and until it pivots away from the UK. No sign of that happening, folks, so let’s deal with consensual reality, not fantasy.

            ‘Britain to push post-Brexit UK immigration controls back to Irish border
            Northern Ireland secretary James Brokenshire says London and Dublin will share data to stop migrants using Irish border as backdoor into Britain’


          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            “I’m keeping a beady eye on you” LOL

      • Grzegorz Kolodziej

        But it is far more interesting to see how the two areas with, by far, the most EU immigration per square mile – London and Edinburgh – voted against Brexit (60% and 74% respectively)

        • AlfieMoone

          As did Cardiff. Both E’bro & Crachach Taffy Cardiff are capitals of international cities with all the metropolitan multicultural ideology that now goes with such cities, unless it’ Tokyo…LOL!

          You’re data is wrong. Boston follows London & voted 75.6% for Brexit as poor working class English people realise Globalisation By The Rich, For The Rich does NOTHING to help alleviate their problems. In fact, in an environment of Austerity to fund Bankers, it’s a total insult to expect the poorest people to deal with all the social and economic issues that EU immigration has produced. It’s taking the piss. Brexit is telling UK & EU politicans to drop dead. It’s not about the individuals and families who have moved to England. As nearly everyone who lives there is white, the ‘racism’ charge falls flat on it’s arse so the xenophobic stuff is trotted out, by liberals in leafy boroughs with good schools, private corporate heath-care and the disposable income to go to the lovely new Bulgarian restaurant that Tabitha says is opening on Saturday night…

          The English agricultural class will have to adapt. There is better use of English land than growing stuff that’s only profitable if Ryanair can fly in workers who’ll live 6 to a room. Grow the stuff in Latvia, Poland and Lithuania. Move your business there if you’re such a fan of the EU’s 4 freedoms. But, of course, it doesn’t work like that. You have a CAP Class of Farmers who demand Protectionism all over Europe by insisting on ‘multiculturalism’ for cheap labour. That game is over.

          It’s actually an amusing Thought Experiment to consider the cognitive dissonance of an agricultural gangmaster in Boston who votes UKIP but depends on EU labour. How did he vote in the privacy of the booth? Overwhelmingly he put Culture before Economics..

          It’s often wailed by the Waitrose EU lot that “if we don’t import labour, who’ll pick the strawberries!” To which the answer is: Import them from somewhere that can grow them cheaper. We import roses from Kenya, I see no reason why we can’t add a few punnets of fruit to the mix. And it’s pointless funding 16 years of free ‘socialist’ public education so people can pick fruit and veg.

          The bulk of mass carbohydrate/protein crops will continue to be produced in intensive, chemical, ‘factories without roof’ rural environments formerly known as ‘farms’, but all the hand-picked labour-intensive foodie stuff will be re-engineered by palnt breed so it can be automated at the site of maximum profitability: The City. Strawberries? Urban farms are the way forward, enough of this nonsense. Brexit!!!!!

          People are very confused about robotics and the internet of things, they just don’t seem to realise it isn’t just about 3d printing and making shit, it’s about growing stuff too…the days of gangs of people picking fruit and veg being ‘economically viable’ are soon to end. Excellent! On with the C21st!…BREXIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          ‘…currently concentrating on the potent microgreens, which find a ready audience with chefs and foodies, and grow on an economically viable cycle of between six and 30 days, it has also experimented with salad crops, strawberries, and baby leaf and miniature root vegetables. There is a total of 23,000 sq ft in this tunnel system alone that could be used, and Ballard says the LED technology that allows them to keep a constant growing climate is improving exponentially: ‘By the other end of the tunnel we could be growing coconuts.’

          ‘How London’s new underground farms will revolutionise the way we source our food
          A new breed of urban farm is cropping up all over London and is set to revolutionise the way city-dwellers source their food. Nick Curtis reports on farming’s new frontier’


    • Grzegorz Kolodziej

      “half of all nurses are foreign nationals.” – maybe half of all nurses are foreign nationals, but only 4% of them are from the EU:


      so Brexit will do little to reduce the number of foreign nurses, except that they will be probably granted British citizenship in the blink of an eye – as Britain suffers from the lack of qualified staff in all areas, from track mechanics, through teachers, up to doctors and nurses (which can be partly attributed to the cost of studying in the UK)

      • Grzegorz Kolodziej

        track mechanics = truck mechanics [even big UKiP donors could not find enough qualified staff in the UK (not cheaper, but qualified - they wanted to pay them the same rates as the natives) and had to recruit overseas...].

    • Grzegorz Kolodziej

      “the UK Census, which takes place every 10 years, offers a clearer picture of the state of the nation by breaking down the white population into white British, Irish, Irish traveller and other white.”

      It actually does not. Here is a problem with the UK Census: it puts a question what is your first language? A Polish or German person would write – Polish or German. But a Pakistani or a Nigerian person usually writes “English”, even if their English is 100 times worse than a Polish or a German person. Thus, it has been estimated that the UK census has underestimated of the number of the non-white foreigners in the UK by 3-4 million…

      • bluegalway

        The UK census includes ethnicity, hence Black British, Asian British and so on. Also, according to a BBC article a few years ago almost all (96%) non-white British-born people did not tick the English box as they felt you had to white to be considered English. They ticked British and the relevant ethnicity.

        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          If that’s true (and I am not saying it is not), I wonder what is the real number of non-whites in the UK, as the same census shows that the number of non-white British in the UK exceeds 8,000,000 (so going by what you saying, that would not actually include the non-white people who were not born in Britain (as they would not have ticked “British”). After all, if you walk across the Seven Sisters Road (better not at night as I did), most non-white people you meet do not speak proper English.

  4. CitizenWhy

    Perhaps the Tories, in the future, will be able to punch back at the EU’s claim to hold the high ground by saying that “Ee in Britain have come to our senses. We now know that the rich south of England must divert some of its wealth to the North of England. Meanwhile we do not see any attempt in the EU to divert some of the wealth of its north to its poor south. Quite the opposite. So how dare the EU claim it is well and fairly governed?”

    Oh, I forgot, the UK never joined the Euro because of an economist’s report that the EU was foolishly structured because there was no real federal fiscal system (collecting taxes centrally and spending more tax money in poor sections than in the rich, with audits for how the money is spent, making it harder for the right or left kleptocracy in Greece or Irealnnd, say, to simply steal the money)), and finally that the EU’s central bank was devised by and for bankers only and not for the overall economic health of the EU as a whole. Silly of me to have forgotten that.

  5. yadayada

    Can we have a calculation please on when the Irish become a minority in Ireland? Given the much smaller initial population, and the dramatically higher immigration rate, coupled with emigration of Irish, it’s got to be very soon.

  6. Zenmonk

    Can’t see it David, the terms of a ‘Hard Brexit’, meaning leaving the single market, would have to be agreed by parliament and with Big Business and the political elites firmly against it, it simply won’t fly, regardless of what the malcontents and miscreants of the racist right hope.

    It will be a case of back to the drawing board.

    As you were.

    • AlfieMoone

      You are the malcontent miscreant but you and the rest of your Remainiac cult simply do not have the cultural power to label Brexit as racist. You think you do because you live in a hermetically sealed ideological bubble. Well, let me pop that bubble for you as the Brexit vote clearly didn’t: The real racists are those who support the EU.



      The most obvious and damaging exhibit is, of course, the Common Agricultural Policy which takes up half the EU budget and lavishes subsidies onto the EU’s biggest landowners at the expense of millions of the poorest farmers in Africa.’


      Why African-Caribbeans should vote for a Left Exit from the EU


  7. ex_pat_northerner

    Ah Southampton – the answer to that famous pub quiz question about which team had 7 (former) English captains either on the field or managing it on the same night. Interestingly one of the few ‘red’ constituencies along the south coast. The connections with Belfast are many – especially through the Titanic. Some say Southampton was the most bombed city in second world war, and its supposed to have the most traffic lights of any city per capita in England.
    The issue with a hard brexit is that it will end up in a dissolution of the UK. I don’t see it washing with the new UKIP party (ie Conservatives) that control of immigration will be devolved to the Irish Republic. For unless they nail up checks at the border (which the head the balls would really love – to them anyone in an official shirt tie is a target) that is the outcome of hard brexit. Were the meetings between DUP and Conservatives to try and shore up support for hard brexit vote ? The Tories only have a slim majority and there’s likely to be a revolt from the likes of Ken Clarke and others should this go to a parliamentary vote… and Labour and SNP will demand Parliamentary vote.
    Sources tell me Arlene was dragged into a meeting with business reps from 4 or 5 of biggest employers in Northern Ireland and told under no circumstances would they want to lose access to the single market or see border.. effectively told her they’d move lock stock and barrel – (possibly south). Apparently Arlene went slightly pale.
    The North will be a basket case. Remember prices will rise as currency falls. And we forget that maybe all these Audis and VWs have lots of British made components made in Small Medium and Large plants all across the UK (Not withstanding Honda, Nissan and other Japanese firms stating they require access to the single market). I can’t see the city of London supporting a hard brexit either.
    We’ve already seen row back from the hard tack taken at the Tory conference with regards to listing foreign workers.
    Perhaps the problem is that hard brexit is all that’s on offer from the EU. Pour encourager les autres. In which case the Republic will be under pressure to implement a border with N Ireland. Will the boys in Dublin do it their way or Frankfurt’s way ?

    The answer to the question about the 7 captains/former captains seems to be that 6 played at one time in the 1980s — they added in 2 others – Alan Ball , Peter Shilton, Mick Mills, Kevin Keegan, Dave Watson, Mick channon = added Mark Wright and Alan Shearer. Of course most famous Southampton Captain was Alf Ramsey – a man who in his memoirs stated that Bill Rochford was a great influence on him succeeding in a footballing career. Bill Rochford was of Irish descent from near Wolfhill in Co Laois. Twas an Irishman helped the English win the world cup.

    • AlfieMoone

      ‘The issue with a hard brexit is that it will end up in a dissolution of the UK.’ ex_pat_northerner

      That’s already happened. Psychologically. ‘Spiritually’. That’s what’s so brilliant about referenda, it bypasses everything else. Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to leave Core UK England and Wales. You are the weakest links: Goodbye! Just think how rich Core UK England and Wales will be when both the Republic of Ireland, Scotland and Northern Ireland are run as US/EU/UN ‘protectorates’ when they go belly-up after ‘independence within the EUropean Union’ just as the entire EUro project disintegrates.

      The entire political establishment on the island of Britain is now obsessed with banjaxing Brexit, with Remainiac cult casualties organising Town Hall talk-shops in Brum to ‘listen’ and ‘understand’ how and why the Heart Of England told the entire world to drop dead via Brexit. They’re wasting their time. As is that banshee Sturgeon wailing about how everyone has to ‘respect’ the Scottish nation. Why? The economy of Yorkshire or Mercia is more important to the UK than either/both Scotland and Northern Ireland. Enough of this fake Nation State nonsense. We have Paddy who’s supposedly ‘left’ the UK but demands the CTA and access to the London Capital Markets as if he’s still part of it. We have the Scots in their Braveheart costume drama demanding they get special snowflake treatment. Well, that’s likely to lead to an independent Cornwall if someone doesn’t throw a bucket of cold water on Nicola. Oh, wait! Rahoy has, whilst chanting ‘Catalonia? Lo siento pero, no es acceptable par mi!” The Welsh are still onboard with Core UK as they too are a real nation and won’t put up with the London EU Elite telling them to be grateful for a few sports centres in the Valleys instead of a real economy. Bollocks to all that! Core UK or Fake UK? We’ve chosen….

      Now, Southampton….and David’s mildly provocative comments about airport staff looking ‘foreign’. If he, or anyone else, is interested in delving deeper, there was a C4 programme on Southampton which raised the roof:

      ‘Benefits Street series 2: Follow-up documentary Immigrant Street has locals worried
      Residents talk of ‘pressure’ to appear on camera and fear the Channel 4 show could bring extremists to the area’

      Until recently, Mushdaq Hussain flew a giant St George’s flag from his terraced house. He wasn’t only supporting England in the World Cup; he was making a “positive” statement about his adopted country, a country his father fought for more than half a century ago.

      So when the makers of a new documentary series with the working title “Immigration Street”, which is following the community of Derby Road in Southampton, knocked on his door for his views on his multicultural neighbourhood, they were surprised to be given short shrift.

      “Producers from ‘Immigrant Street’ have been knocking on my door, trying to get me to appear, but I’m not interested,” said the 46-year-old, speaking outside his home yesterday. “They obviously thought I’d have negative things to say [because of the flag], but the only story here on Derby Road [about immigration] is a positive [one]. I’m not sure they were interested in that.” His views seem to be typical on the street, where residents of all faiths and ethnicities talk of “pressure” to appear on camera and their fears that the Channel 4 show could bring extremists to the area….However, on Derby Road local activists are quick to point out that Mr Hussain is welcome and that the “majority” of its residents are second- and third-generation immigrants who were born in the area. That hasn’t stopped Channel 4 claiming that the road is “an ethnically diverse street where the majority of residents were not born in the UK”.

      “It’s certainly ethnically diverse, and that’s a thing to celebrate,” said local Labour councillor Satvir Kaur, 29, who grew up on the road after her family moved to England a generation ago. “I’ve lived here for nearly 30 years. The claim that most people who live here weren’t born in the UK is very, very questionable indeed.”

      She added: “What I find really disappointing is that the programme makers seem to have assumed that if you don’t look, eat, dress or sound like a traditional, white English person, then you weren’t born here .… Most people on this road are as British as David Cameron….”If you are going to label a place ‘Immigrant Street’, you need to be sure you know what you are talking about – the vast majority of people living on Derby Road may not be white, but they are British and have been here for generations.” As the call to prayer rang out from the nearby Medina Mosque, Patricia O’Dell from the local residents’ association told me that most people’s concerns were over “parking, fly-tipping and litter” rather than immigration. She said, “You are far more likely to see locals helping new arrivals understand the way of life here than complaining about them.”

      Malkeat Singh, 55 , a local resident who is active within the Sikh commun ty, joined us to point out the area’s five mosques and four Sikh gurdwaras, as well as an Afro-Caribbean centre, churches and synagogue.

      “We can’t be afraid of talking about immigration,” he said. “But we don’t need this kind of sensationalism or racist undertones in the debate. This is a successful, multicultural community. It doesn’t deserve this.”

      Brexit is NOT racist and idiots like Lambeth Literary Luvvie Will Smith’s banal sophist syllogistic ‘logic’ that ‘all racists voted for Brexit’ is simply wrong. Some racists who exploit EU migrants & non-EU refugees for profit voted Remain so they can carry on with their CAP/CTA scamming of the UK economy. Not everyone wants a multi-cultural society based on justice and equality, some want to crash the post-WW2 settlement of the British Welfare State, the NHS and State Pensions. They can piss off. It’s rather interesting to read President Higgins eulogise the NHS in his latest book, noting carefully that after 100 years of ‘freedom’ from British tyranny, Irish people are being sold into the Norman Toraigh American ‘Healthcare As Debt/Slavery’ Model. 1916? Revolultion? Yeah, right Paddy….*rollseyes*. Being British has got NOTHING to do with skin colour, it’s all about Culture. Anyone who watched ‘Immigrant Street’ and the tawdry attempt of the programme makers to find racism and ill-will on the streets of Southampton will cast a very wary eye on the similar hysterical attempts of the Remainiac EU Media Elites to label Brexit as a racist reaction.


  8. Tull McAdoo

    Maybe David, that by voting for Brexit the British people have sent a clear message to the German dominated EU that Business is there to serve the people and not the other way around.

    To me at least this makes perfect sense in a changing World, for example, the American Economy as it is developing at the moment is over 80% service sector and rising. People are demanding services, competition is fierce, offerings improving all the time.

    Americans want and are so desperate to move away from a Business controlled economy as represented by the Clinton’s, Wall Street, etc. that they would vote for a nut like Trump.

    British people are no different as they value their freedom to choose their own destiny, and as such voted for Brexit.

    The reason the so called experts missed the growth of the British economy after the Brexit vote was that they overvalued Business sentiment and expected the negativity from that quarter to outstrip the positive sentiment from the Brexiteer’s and the attending acceleration of money from that bounce.

    Business needs to cop itself on and realize that in this changing World dominated by services it is more about marketing and adding value than it is about racing to the bottom in pursuit of margin.

    • Deco

      America has a lousy choice.

      Clinton will not reform anything. In fact, more corruption is guaranteed. Clinton’s handling of the Benghazi episodde, and the email mess, indicates sever ineptitude.

      Trump is vulgar, and capable of insulting everybody. His handling of relations with Mexico, are a textbook example in Yanqui arrogance, that is not going down well in Ibero-America.

      Gary Johnson is barely intelligent enough to be a school janitor. And Jill Stein is lost, and clueless.

      The best that can happen is for the Republican Party leadership to replace Trump with Paul Ryan or somebody who is capable of calm, rational analysis of every scenario. The Democrats are clearly too corrupt to get rid of the Clintons.

      The Irish media clearly have no problems with corruption in the Democratic Party. In fact, they love it.

      A mess. Even more troubling than Irish politics. In fact, almost as bad as French politics.

    • Deco

      Tull your comment is worth more than Tony’s favourite gold miners.

      Maybe David, that by voting for Brexit the British people have sent a clear message to the German dominated EU that Business is there to serve the people and not the other way around.

      Actually, the British simply do not believe in the idea of there being a hegemon. And currently even the German populace are rejecting the idea of being a hegemon. They want prosperity and order. Few of them want control of Europe. They want financial power. The current leadership of the CDU seem to have walked themselves into the one scenario that they promised they would not walk into. They went from financial to political. The power centre, craven for funding, has signed up to it. Unfortuantely, German is running out of time.

      The Brits are opting out of a project of madness.

      The greatest crime of all is stating openly that the EU is run by idiots. I mean look at Phil Hogan the minister for housing shortages, and Irish water.

      Phil Hogan has the Merkel touch. Everything he touched turned into a massive problem. He is the last person who deserves higher responsibility. And he was given….higher respnsibility.

      Since becomming a Commissioner, Hogan got a free pass from the Irish media. Call it the Pee Flynn effect. Belief in the new imperial racket is so intense, that when an idiot is sent to a senior post in the imperial racket….the media forget all the scandals.

      Too many lies. Jucker state “when things get serious, you have to lie”.

      Oh, what a wicked web we weave, when we set out to deceive.

      An old English saying, that captures the craziness of the EU imperial project.

      Time to look for the exit.

      Ireland is running out of time, for an escape plan.

      • AlfieMoone

        Tull/Deco. Superb comments.

        ‘Actually, the British simply do not believe in the idea of there being a hegemon. And currently even the German populace are rejecting the idea of being a hegemon. They want prosperity and order. Few of them want control of Europe….The current leadership of the CDU seem to have walked themselves into the one scenario that they promised they would not walk into. They went from financial to political. The power centre, craven for funding, has signed up to it. Unfortuantely, German is running out of time.
        The Brits are opting out of a project of madness.
        The greatest crime of all is stating openly that the EU is run by idiots’

        Both the British and the Germans, for different historical reasons, have had enough of insane Empire projects. But the Brits have the option to Leave the EU Empire now & create a new Cultural Commonwealth rather than Collapse later. It’s subconscious, inchoate but perfectly rational. The Germans are in a real fix but they also know the way out: Core Euro with a few select countries with a bifurcated Latin Euro hived off. Ireland will have to decide if it can stand a few decades of Germanic fiscal Straight-Jacketism to re-engineer it’s Cultural Algorithm so it aligns with the Germanic model or if it joins the Latin Euro. Either route pivots away from the UK but there’s no scenario ‘going forward’ where the scamming of the UK economy via the CTA carries on. Juncker is all over that one in his bunker..

        When the D4/IFSC/CTA crew have to put it to the Irish population as a referendum choice, all hell will break lose and the fiction/fantasy of a geographical ‘united Ireland’ will seem insignificant compared to the Intersectionalities of an Irish Culture War that will erupt between the current Norman Toraigh rulers of the island and those who thought they’d won an independent Republic…1916 to 2016 and the real legacy is a bitter battle about what it means to be Irish. Or European. Or both and/or neither. Re-joining the UK is never going to be an option, even though the CTA has been left intact for almost a century to accommodate such an outlandish outcome. Too much has happened, Core UK would never allow it once Scotland and/or Northern Ireland join the EU after Brexit which is the will of their people as expressed in the EU Referendum of 2016. So it’s either Full Euro, Euro-Lite or IRExit and Nua Punt. It’s all rather strange to see the Irish elite carrying on as if they are ‘serious players’ in this when they have surrendered control of everything other than allowing mayhem to let rip on the island of Ireland again by inciting ‘blame the Brits’ for the scenarios unfolding. Ireland made a catastrophic strategic error in joining the Euro without ensuring the UK did. Having made that error it should have begun pivoting away from the UK but it did no such thing. It deepened it’s links using the CTA to game the London Capital Markets and used Tax Whoring as if it was a sustainable model for an advanced Nation State rather than a temporary income stream to seed a more viable long-term economic strategy.

        Brexit is the first time the population of the EU have been give a chance to offer a verdict on the project to date. By voting Leave the population of Core UK England and Wales have stating openly that the EU is run by idiots, none more foolish than the eejits who have put Ireland in such an invidious position. For Juncker that is indeed ‘the greatest crime’ and his plan to punish the UK involves sacrificing Ireland on the alter of the EU by closing the Common Travel Area. He has the power to do that, nobody in either the UK or Ireland can stop him, nor can Merkel. Hollande is frothing at the mouth, presumably because he knows if he doesn’t Banjax Brexit then it’s FRExit on Le Pen’s terms. From their perspective the economic sacrifice of Ireland will make just as much sense as that of Greece. Eastern Front. Western Front. Both Juncker and Hollande will find willing accomplices amongst the EU27 who will also not give a fcUK if Ireland goes tits up as part of a desperate EU27 attempt to Banjax Brexit and Save The European Dream, as well as re-positioning the accomplices as recipients of FDI once the US pivots away from Ireland Inc as it implodes; a scenario inevitable under both Trump and Clinton as US ‘nativism’ recoils from the Tax Whoring of the American Dream to the banks of the Liffey. The end of the Ameican Dream or the end of the European Dream? Or the end of both? Both the US and European Cultural Algorithms are banjaxed. So is the current UK one. But Brexit means the UK is first off the block to re-imagine the C21st on terms that are inimicable to both the US and Europe. The UK isn’t going to be bossed around by anyone without it’s leaders being led to a metaphorical Tower Of London or a new Guy Fawkes event. All that remains to be seen is if the Soldiers Of Infamy have any bollix and stand up for a New Irish Dream that encompasses the complex innovative insights in President Michael Higgin’s latest book. Or if they instead bow to Juncker and accept that the economic collapse of the Republic of Ireland is a price worth paying to try and save their Liffey fiefdom called ‘Ireland Inc’ under the pretence that ‘greater integration is the only option for Ireland’. In which case, at some stage, they will find themselves being marched towards Kilmainham by their own people….

        ‘Describing it as a “revolution”, the prime minister said: “It was a vote not just to change Britain’s relationship with the European Union, but to call for a change in the way our country works – and the people for whom it works – forever.”


  9. Deco

    The fall in sterling has also led to a massive increase in mergers and investment as foreign investors pick up UK assets cheaply.

    Looking at the current FTSE prices, it seems that there are few assets to pick up cheaply. And UK real estate is not cheap either.

    Unless, one is banking on UK£ to rebound. Which is unlikely, given that currently it is policy to keep exporting from Britain.

    Britain, is out playing Germany at currency based exporting competitiveness. In addition to being more competitive in terms of logistics, and labour productivity.

    In the early 1990s, Britain trailed both Italy and France in car production. On current trends they will soon catch up on Germany. Much of that gain has occurred since the Auto Kanzler, Gerhard Schroeder retired. Germany needs to bring back Shroeder, because under Merkel, German competitiveness is essentially a variant of currency management. If the Italians get their act together, then everything could change. Unfortunately, bureacracy has Italy in knots.

    Britain has already figured out how to handle the EU, to one’s advantage.

    Name, by getting out of it, just when the stupidity in EU policy making becomes unworkable.

  10. AlfieMoone

    Ireland will operate the Brexit Border…when you read it like that….you just have to laugh but Juncker will not be LOLing in his Brussels bunker, he’ll be finalising plans to sacrifice Ireland to banjax Brexit, even if he knows it’s a kami-kaze mission. The EU is now a delusional cult and it’s heading for it’s climactic Waco moment: don’t let that the emergence of a Calais Jungle situation in Dundalk…

    As for Liberal Ireland’s synthetic outrage about Amber Rudd’s proposals: what planet are you all on? smfh

    ‘What is strange is the anti-immigrant shift in British political discourse. I’m flying to Belfast City airport in East Belfast, another constituency that voted to leave the EU. In East Belfast, the issue wasn’t foreigners – because let’s face it, there’s hardly a queue of immigrants bashing down the doors of the Lower Newtownards Road.’

    Actually, David, they are, as for many people, even East Belfast is preferable to where they come from. And Gardai are just as interested in birth-country-of-origin data as Amber Rudd. Game.Set.Match..

    Irish police hold EU workers at Dundalk border

    ‘Paddy Finn said his workers had been stopped before, but had never been asked to produce documents and had never been detained.
    Mr Finn, who relies on migrant workers, has land on both sides of the border and his workers regularly cross for harvest work…under Irish immigration law, non-Irish nationals are required to carry documentation. ‘


    • barrym

      In an interview today Irish min of justice more or less agreed that we will operate the EU border with post-brexit UK. Didn’elaborate more than saying Ireland already data sharing in ant-terrorism moves.

      More importantly, didn’t indicate how and who will pay for it.

      She did say Ireland didn’t want a hard border NI/RoI, so should we assume RoI will pay?

      However, if RoI stays in EU just how will border control operate? Any EU citizen can enter RoI, and freely move on to UK if no hard Brexit.

      • CitizenWhy

        There was clarification from the UK govt. Ireland and Britain will work together to secure ALL Irish borders against refuges and migrants. This would mean non-EU migrants, Africans and Arabs. This prophylactic approach to Irish borders is meant to keep the NI-Ireand border pretty much as it now is.

  11. Truthist

    DMW above
    “The euro has always been an impossibly inconsistent currency for us.
    The punt was just fine.
    And now, our euro commitment, which has been a total disaster for Ireland with a massive currency-related boom followed by a massive debt-related bust, will come under scrutiny again.”
    Redacted slightly by Truthist
    “impossibly inconsistent currency” ;
    Surely, the alternative to Money
    [ Gold ( Coin or actual "Gold" Paper ; Available now ) or Silver Coin ] ONLY,
    AND no other medium of exchange other than Money [ i.e. G or S ( above ) ]
    each, & all,
    the ONLY “inconsistent” Currency ?

    Government Fiat Currency AND which is NOT Gold or Silver
    1. ; Medium of Exchange issued by Government ONLY
    Government Fiat Currency issued by Government ONLY — own Treasury, or perhaps own Central Bank [ NOT private Central Bank ], AND it :
    1.1 ; G & / or S “Full” Reserve, or “Fractional” Reserve, Banking
    backed proportionally less than, or equally, in value by G, & / or S, at denomination stated on said currency
    1.2 ; Non-Money Currency ONLY “Full” Reserve, or “Fractional” Reserve, Banking
    NOT backed whatsoever in value by G, & / or S, at denomination stated on said currency
    2. ; Medium of Exchange issued by Private Central Bank ONLY AND it issued as a Debt Payable AND WITH Interest Payable, to the Private Central Bank, AND it :
    2.1 ; G & / or S “Full” Reserve, or “Fractional” Reserve, Banking
    backed proportionally less than, or equally, in value by G, & / or S, at denomination stated on said currency
    2.2 ; Non-Money Currency ONLY “Full” Reserve, or “Fractional” Reserve, Banking
    NOT backed whatsoever in value by G, & / or S, at denomination stated on said currency
    Medium of Exchange issued by Private Commercial Bank ONLY, AND it issued as a Debt Payable, AND WITH Interest Payable, to the Private Commercial Bank, AND it :
    3.1 ; G & / or S “Full” Reserve, or “Fractional” Reserve, Banking
    backed proportionally less than [ Fractional Reserve Banking ], or equally, in value by G, & / or S, at denomination stated on said currency
    3.2 ; Non-Money Currency ONLY “Full” Reserve, or “Fractional” Reserve, Banking
    NOT backed whatsoever in value by G, & / or S, at denomination stated on said currency
    “…a total disaster for Ireland with a massive CURRENCY-related boom followed by a massive debt-related bust, …”
    It is not just he who whipped the masters of usury from the temple who wins ;
    Socrates wins again too !

    • Truthist

      Edit ;
      Surely, the alternative to Money
      [ Gold ( Coin or actual "Gold" Paper ; Available now ) or Silver Coin ] ONLY,]
      each, & all,
      the ONLY “inconsistent” Currency ?

  12. michaelcoughlan

    Hi David,

    How will interest rates rise If the deficit widens especially if the UK Govt starts throwing out govt subsidies?

    As for;

    “What would the NHS be without Jamaican nurses, Polish porters or Indian doctors?”

    There are 1.64 million brits out of work;


    Surely a few of them could be retrained?


  13. Pat Flannery

    John Maynard Keynes was the Warren Buffet of his day, he was a very successful private investor. Not many people know that. What does it tell us today? It tells us that economics is not so much a profession as an investment management tool, for governments and private individuals alike.

    How many of today’s economic pundits make their living in the real world of the markets, as Keynes did? Not many I think. My point is that all economic punditry should be tested in the relevant stock, commodity or currency market, the only place where all the relevant factors are priced in.

    Whether we like it not, we live in a world of collective international markets, some free, some not so free, called a global economy. The value of any one currency is no longer set by a sponsoring government but by this global market collective. What happens in one market affects all the others.

    Consequently the most important factor in evaluating Brexit is the global market valuation of the Pound Sterling, not what the British people think it should be. The concept of national sovereignty is therefore moot. We are all already in a global currency market of which we have no control. Without control of a national currency there is no national sovereignty. Britain has yet to understand that. It confuses the Commonwealth with its erstwhile Empire.

    Wrapped in one’s father’s sash celebrating Empire, British nationalism may feel good east of the Lagan, but Keynes would not have invested in it. Believing that Britain can immunize itself from global market gravity by hoisting the flag of a lone national currency, bearing the beloved Queen’s Head, is like a Don Quixote figure gently placing sceptered Britannia into a small boat in the middle of an ocean of troubles with the sharks already circling. Reality is like a bad dream.

    • AlfieMoone

      ‘Consequently the most important factor in evaluating Brexit is the global market valuation of the Pound Sterling, not what the British people think it should be. The concept of national sovereignty is therefore moot. We are all already in a global currency market of which we have no control. Without control of a national currency there is no national sovereignty. Britain has yet to understand that. It confuses the Commonwealth with its erstwhile Empire.’ Pat Flannery.

      ah, Jayzus, Pat! What are you smoking?

      In slow-motion so you understand:

      1] If the concept of national Sovereignty is moot, why did the UK even bother to have a vote on Brexit? And why does anyone care they voted to leave if the UK no longer exists? Total balderdash.

      2] There’s this thing called QE: Quantitative Easing. It’s enabled the UK to double it’s National Debt, defray the cost of bailing out The City yet you write ‘we are already in a global currency market of which we have no control’. That’s true for the Republic of Ireland as it’s trapped in the EUro but it’s NOT true for the UK. ‘Without control of a national currency there is no national sovereignty’. The UK is in control of it’s national currency, hence it’s decision to cut base rates, drop deficit reduction and expand public spending post-Brexit. It can do all this because of the £ Pound Sterling. Ireland can do none of these things as it no longer exists as a Sovereign Nation, merely as a debt service-agency/financial concubine/satrapy for Foreign Powers in the EU and as a Tax Whoring Brothel-keeper for footloose Globalist Corporations seeking the cheapest hooker regimes on the planet. The UK is a Sovereign Nation, the Republic of Ireland is NOT a Sovereign Nation.

      3] The new Global UK Cultural and Economic Commonwealth [UKCEC] is just arising from the ashes of 4 decades of Globalist EU nonsense which was set to the torch by Brexit. It will bear NO resemblance to the old physical Empire Of Conquest & Co-ercion. It will be open to old and new Commonwealth members, but probably not to the Republic of Ireland as it would be too much hassle.

      4] ‘Wrapped in one’s father’s sash celebrating Empire, British nationalism may feel good east of the Lagan’

      You are confusing and conflating Norn Iron with Core UK England and Wales with regard to Brexit. Northern Ireland voted to Remain in the EU. Psychologically and spiritually, it is therefore no longer part of Core UK though after the current iteration of the UK leaves the EU it has every right and opportunity to organise a referendum like the plucky Scots and vote for a future either as part of post-Brexit Core UK, an independent Nation State status, or to join with Ireland. The economics of that third option are particularly interesting for commentators like Fintan O’Toole with his SCINI vision-thing ‘going forward’

      ‘A United Ireland after Brexit is a fantasy’

      ‘What this means is that it costs a fortune to run the North, money which is transferred over from the U.K. mainland to cover the local budget deficit. At the moment it’s around £10 billion a year, which equates to around 25 percent of the North’s GDP. A deficit on that scale is, for example, far worse than was the case in Greece at its lowest point.

      Because Britain is a big country with around 65 million people, it can afford to carry the North, although there was growing pressure from Westminster recently for cuts in spending on welfare and so on in the North to reduce the burden, something strongly resisted not just by Sinn Fein but by politicians of all hues there. You may remember this was so serious it led to a virtual shutdown of government in the North for a while.

      Now place that scenario in the context of a united Ireland. Instead of the burden being carried by 65 million people in the U.K., it would have to be borne by the less than five million people in the Republic. For that to happen it would require massive tax increases and spending cutbacks in the south which would make the recent austerity years here look like a picnic.

      Depending on the assumptions you make, it would require high double digit tax increases here. And even at that it would require people in the North to accept a much lower level of state spending on things like health and education than they have been used to up to now.

      Numerous surveys of attitudes in the south, including the recent RTE/BBC one noted above, have shown that although people here retain a romantic attachment to putting the four green fields back together again (a united Ireland), that cozy feeling dissipates as soon as paying for it is mentioned.

      A lot of wishful thinking is used to obscure this basic fact. We are told that the U.K. would be willing to chip in for a number of years to get rid of the North and that the EU would step in with massive funding.

      But none of this is certain. The U.K. is facing its own deficit problems and the EU is constrained in what it can do by state competition rules.

      Even if it were to happen, the Republic would still be left with a massive annual bill that would require a massive increase in taxation. And remember that the RTE/BBC survey last year found that people in the South are not prepared to pay ANY extra tax to achieve a united Ireland.

      That’s the reality. The rest of it is just talk.’


      • michaelcoughlan

        “Ireland is a …………..a Tax Whoring Brothel-keeper for footloose Globalist Corporations seeking the cheapest hooker regimes on the planet”

        Pure unadulterated poetry!

        • Deco

          Beautiful. Unfortunately, it will not ever be heard on the state propaganda organ rte (PRAVDA).

          We have an rather suspect business model.

          No wonder we keep congratulating ourselves from getting past the poorer days when we were the “balcony of Europe” (keeping ourselves upwind of the various adventures in centralism, and imperialism that were wholeheartedly fashionable on the western part of the continent).

          From the balcony to the sewer.

          With fat nasty rats like Bertie, Fitzy, Suds, and Dennis the Menace, for company.

        • Deco

          Well, it definitely is not our labour productivity that is the key ingredient to economic success.

          Just look at the HSE. CIE/Dublin Bus, etc… Or FAS / Solas / what will they call it next year ?. Or the Laurel & Hardy outfit of AIB/BoI.

          We have a serious competitiveness problem.

      • Pat Flannery

        AlfieMoone: I will debate this with you if you lose the personal attacks like “what are you smoking” or “I will say this slowly so you will understand” Those are stock adolescent phrases common on high school blogs, which I hope this is not. So here’s hoping ….

        You say that Britain’s ability to perform Quantitate Easing (i.e. monetary financing) in order to “defray the cost of bailing out The City” demonstrates Britain’s national sovereignty. It is in fact quite the opposite because both the British Government and the Bank of England know that banks NEVER lend such money to individuals and businesses yet they went ahead anyway.

        It therefore demonstrates that Britain “exists as a Sovereign Nation, merely as a debt service-agency/financial concubine/satrapy for Foreign Powers in the EU and as a Tax Whoring Brothel-keeper for footloose Globalist Corporations seeking the cheapest hooker regimes on the planet.” In other words Britain not Ireland is the banks’ bitch.

        If at the time of 2008/9 crash Britain had been subject to EU fiscal discipline as Ireland was Britain would have been irretrievably bankrupt.

        The reason it never joined the Euro was because it knew it could never live up to Euro fiscal standards
        and the reason it now wants to leave the single market using immigration as an excuse, is in the forlorn hope of again avoiding bankruptcy by forming a quixotic “new Global UK Cultural and Economic Commonwealth [UKCEC]” and by blaming everything on the EU.

        As the Donald would say shaking his blond curls “It will never happen, never happen”.

        As for Brexit triggering a United Ireland, that will be up to the people of Northern Ireland. In the meantime the ROI will protect itself as best it can from the madness that has taken hold of its nearest neighbor.

      • Grzegorz Kolodziej

        “AlfieMoone: I will debate this with you if you lose the personal attacks like “what are you smoking” or “I will say this slowly so you will understand””

        Yes, please do that for dear Mr Flannery, Alfie – I have learned (belatedly) that when you are around girls you have to be careful what you say; and you have to praise them from time to time too.

        “Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.”


        • Pat Flannery

          Grzegorz Kolodziej: You sir are a disgrace to your country, Poland. You leave Donald Trump in the shade. I wish to draw David’s attention to your insults. If it’s OK with David it is not OK with me. Let’s see if David responds.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            “Grzegorz Kolodziej: You sir are a disgrace to your country, Poland. You leave Donald Trump in the shade.”


            Talking about personal insults!

            I was only asking Alfie to heed your plea because I was curious to hear yours (as you failed to answer the Chimerica problem). Mental, mental, chicken oriental.

            Alfie, such being the case, do not listen to my plea to lose your personal attack like “what are you smoking” or “I will say this slowly so you will understand” then – Pat does not appreciate the fact that someone as despicable as me supports his request (guilt by association?).

            “it is not OK with me.”

            Alfie – this is for you to put that into a proper context:


          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            to hear yours = to hear your arguments.

            Btw, my treatment of women is opposite to Mr Trump’s – ladies here :-*

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            Dear Pat,
            the most noble of all people,

            Not knowing how to pacify thy anger, I’m sending you this to show you how sorry I am:


          • Pat Flannery

            It is now up to Mr. McWilliams. If this is what he wants on his blog so be it. I have tried my best to participate in a positive way and to clean it up.

            BTW this behavior is starting to be called the “Trump effect” in America. It is really getting a hold on this blog. Personal insults are the norm. Too bad.

            I’ll wait for a response from David. If none, this blog is a free-insult area. Definitely not for me.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            “I have tried my best to participate in a positive way” – you mean “verbose sophistry”?

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            On October 8, 2016 at 11:05 am, Pat Flannery wrote,

            “My point was that the Chinese understand world finance better than the gold bug sophists on this blog.”

            “No need for all the verbose sophistry on this blog.”

            That is a very positive contribution indeed.

            No need to address difficult problems on the South China Sea finishingn the Chimerican trade symbiosis touched on by me in the previous thread and the US insolvency problem posed by Michael.

            “Hi Michael, I enjoy a hard tackle, don’t hold back.”

            And then you use nothing but rhetorics regarding Chimerica.

            It is better (and certainly easier) to throw thunders on disgraceful hoi polloi like me, as if you were Poseidon from Greek mythology.

            “You leave Donald Trump in the shade.”

            I do not know if the analogy is apt. Mr Trump would probably say “that makes me smart” (and Ms Clinton would simply murder whoever asks inconvenient questions).

        • When we were kids at school before the age of political
          When we were bickering we were forced to put the gloves on and to physically have at it.

          The result usually was settled in minutes with the combatants resuming relations as pals after a handshake.

          I am saddened that we have verbosity descended to acrimony. Ok boys it is all over. Next time we get out the big stick.

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            “When we were kids at school before the age of political
            When we were bickering we were forced to put the gloves on and to physically have at it.”

            So were we, Tony, so were we. But you see, I do not have a problem with Pat, as you can see from my totally NOT personal entry on Keynes – except for the last line aimed at teaching him some the virtue of being a little bit more humble in his attitude of not skipping difficult questions and focusing on ad hominem attacks by others that he himself is gulity off (on the contrary, I highly value his contributions): he has a problem with me because he is unable to answer my arguments.

            Had Pat not wrote what he wrote about verbose sophistry and his denigrating comments about goldbugs, I would not have been sarcastic.

            Now, as to a duel.
            1. I’m not sure what age Pat is. And besides, for a duel an offence has to arise – while I feel amused rather than offended (please watch my link to Pat when I am saying sorry to him).
            2. Shocking at it might sound, I actually like Pat and always read his comments. I would even recommend his blog to my friends if he had one.
            3. I want this blog to be a circle of friends, not enemies. Ok, if someone pisses me off real big, maybe I’ll think of a duel, but Pat did not, and then again my tolerance is enormous.
            4. Duels are sadly illegal in Ireland.

            I think I’ll give Pat a break.
            If he wants to STAY on the issue, I promise I will never take the liberty of an ad hominem attack.

            If he insults me again (“Grzegorz Kolodziej: You sir are a disgrace to your country, Poland. You leave Donald Trump in the shade.”), this is the war he will not win with me – I am just simply way too good for him on the sarcasm front (when I was doing my legal course, no one wanted to debate me and everyone wanted me to be on his mock legal team).

            If he does none of the above, I’ll just let him be and repeat platitudes about Keynes.

            After all, Tony – we NEED THE LEFT ON THIS BLOG for we need to sharpen our brains. Sure we were debating each other very hard too in the past, but you never said about me that I am a disgrace to Poland or that you are a disgrace to Ireland (still Ireland or more Canada, or both?).

          • Ego’s clash. Sarcasm has its place but you know what is said about sarcasm. Both stepped out of line in my opinion. There were also third party statements made to fan the flames.
            Earlier there were other clashes and it was resolved with a simple apology and an undertaking to try to avoid personal reference to character or occupation.
            A gentlemans’ agreement to not require a duel.

            BUT any time you want to slip on the gloves I’ll take great pleasure boxing you about the ears! (assuming we ever meet each other!!)

    • Grzegorz Kolodziej

      “John Maynard Keynes was the Warren Buffet of his day, he was a very successful private investor. Not many people know that.”

      J.M.Keynes was moderately successful on the stock market. His biggest success came when the US was about to get bankrupt after the New Deal (the unemployment went back up to a level higher than in Ireland after the 2007 crash), but a total failure in the currency market.

      Much of his success was based on pure chance and having a circle of friends from the occult-homosexual KGB-ridden group “Apostles”, who would have ins and out in the City and give him tips, and sometimes bail him out if he was going to become bankrupt.

      Even so, he never registered a 1600% profit I pocketed in 9 years ago on betting on Kimi Raikkonen to win the Formula 1 championship, which was also 95% pure chance.

      And btw, Keynes was technically bankrupt in 1920, but was rescued by his friends.

      Btw, his Sharpe ration in the 1920s was only 0.2 (an average was 1.0), which actually made him gave up on currency speculations for 5 years, and it was not until he had learned modern strategies of carry trade + momentum strategies that he returned to currency speculation.

      “John Maynard Keynes was the Warren Buffet of his day, he was a very successful private investor. Not many people know that”


      • Grzegorz Kolodziej

        “His biggest success came when the US was about to get bankrupt after the New Deal.”

        This does not read right. Strictly speaking not when the US was about to go bankrupt after the New Deal, but when it went to war. Keynes made big money in the stock market on the war.

  14. Deco

    Systemic Risk ?

    Ireland’s state system is NOT run efficiently.

    Ireland’s banking system is a hotbed of ineptitude, incompetence and bungling.

    Ireland’s transport system is a triumph of extraction over responsibility.

    Ireland’s income tax policy is a victory of greed over effort.

    Ireland’s welfare system is a triumph of absurdity over initiative.

    Ireland’s health system is representative of the urge to fail being greater than the need to succeed.

    • bilimori

      Hi Deco,

      I will be travelling in Ireland next year, please tell me ten good things about Ireland. After last night’s madness, I can stomach no more negativity,


  15. CitizenWhy

    Britain is working with the Irish government to strengthen Irish borders against refugees. They are doing this to keep the NI and Ireland border mostly open As David points out any Irish person with any sense will go shopping in NI from now on. And Irish politician knows that economic ties to the UK are essential to keep Ireland from severe economic shrinkage.

    • Pat Flannery

      CitizenWhy: The Irish tax payer will never agree to pay for a hard UK/EU border in return for some form of privileged Irish access to the UK, which is what you seem to be saying.

      That is reminiscent of Trump building a border wall and making the Mexicans pay for it. You seem to expect the Irish taxpayer to keep the immigrant hordes from the UKs back door. It will never happen. Far from Brexit causing “severe economic shrinkage” it provides some unheard of economic opportunity. Here is one.

      Just as the Mexicans should go ahead and build Trump’s wall and put steps over it every 1,000 yards, the Irish should build toll booths at strategic points along the Irish border providing safe passage into undefended UK territory. Those are called business opportunities.

      • AlfieMoone

        ‘ the Irish should build toll booths at strategic points along the Irish border providing safe passage into undefended UK territory. Those are called business opportunities.’

        So you want Ireland Inc to add people trafficking to tax whoring as part of the CTA scam?….OK…..what could go wrong?….*rollseyes*

  16. Deco

    Theresa May finds a way to ensure Britain’s interests are served in respect of the Brexit.


    That is thinking strategically. Timed when the other main Mer-de are grappling with their own disgruntled electorates. Britain continues to prepare. It is the Spitfire era all over again.

    Ireland is not preparing for anything except nonsense.

    Public sector unions are playing Ogle-nomics.

    Meanwhile Kenny-lite and Bertie’s successor are getting ready to spin a €5 per week increase to pensioners, and gain maximum PR leverage.

    And Ireland runs an inefficient, sloppy, large loaded institutional state. Which continues to underperform, and suck the rest of the system dry. Public policy favours oligopolies in alcohol (not a necessity), cement ( a necessity ), housing ( an essential necessity), the media (we may as well give up any hope of tansparancy), banking (they cannot run it properly, but never mind careers are made for what Morgan Kelly termed “some dim fellow how played scrum half for Old Belvedere in the 1980s”.

    Irish capitalism is failing to win in the UK market. And Irish socialism is failing to produce the goods also. Just look at the transport mess. Or the HSE mess. 13 Billions per annum – more than the entire four times private sector insurance take, and the public sector is still NOT free.

    We have organizational chaos.

    The Irish concept of management is deeply flawed.

    The fish rots from the head.

  17. Deco


    From Mish. David shoulod invite Mish to Kilkenny.

    Timing of the article 50 announcement, by March 2017, is ahead of French and German elections. Politicians will have elections, not Brexit on their minds.

    Many blame Theresa May because it will take time off the negotiations.

    Politically speaking, May knows precisely what she is doing.

    Those who think otherwise, need to consider how well she has rounded up support in many quarters by offering something to everyone: UK Prime Minister Attacks QE, Irresponsible Capitalism, Tax-Dodging Companies.

    The date was carefully timed, precisely to put pressure on Angela Merkel by German car manufacturers (European car manufacturers and businesses in general), telling Merkel to go easy.

    Ms Merkel urged companies in sectoral talks to resist “pressure from European industry associations” and avoid the temptation to set aside EU principles — especially the freedom of movement — because it was “comfortable” to do so.

    The chancellor dropped her usual references to the importance of maintaining close ties with the UK and instead highlighted her main priority — keeping together the EU 27.

    That Merkel felt the need to make such statements shows precisely whet she is up against.

    Businesses are going to press for free trade, and they should. Is the loss of jobs worth the alleged “integrity” of the “single market”?

    If you have to act like gang leaders to maintain integrity, how much integrity do you really have?

    Merkel will not listen of course, but will she be around? Another mess could just do her in. Well done, Theresa May!

  18. StephenKenny

    I don’t think that it’s really nationalism in the UK, so much as it is as a sense of a kick back against Blairism and all that therein was. It was, after all, the first time in about 25 years that they had anyone other than a Blairite to vote for. That’s a whole generation – you’d have to be in your mid 40s to have been old enough to vote for anything else.

    Contrary to the poetic extravagances of the the UK media, the economy is in a perilous state indeed. UK exports haven’t risen since Brexit not because exporters are all out playing golf, but because the government figures on the exporting sector are no more accurate than any other government statistics – this great potential exporting base simply doesn’t exist. The big Brexit risk to the City of London is that the EU will simply have had enough of the effectively unregulated, increasingly just plain mad, goings on in the City, and will just ban European Banks from doing business there.
    Almost everything that happens in modern financial services is zero sum, so for every billion that a Hedge Fund manager takes home, some fund somewhere has to lose a billion.

    The UK government deficit is at least £70bn a year (government statistics), and it’s consumer debt is now rising at something like £60bn a year. If any of this went into anything productive (i.e. something that produced an ongoing income) it’d be interesting, but everything is going into property. In fact, the economy has been twisted, contorted, and turned inside out to such an extent, over the past 25 years (40 years?) that investment in almost anything else is almost unthinkable.

    There’re a lot of 1980s tech startups in the UK midlands, still run by their original founders, and after 30 years hard work, these guys want to retire. They’ve created and run successful, high tech, engineering businesses, with clients all over Europe and round the world. They look at valuations and find that the land that their business are on is worth more to property developers than their businesses are worth as going concerns. Even with that, with UK interest rates at 1,000 year lows, their well earned retirements aren’t going to be so comfortable after all. Compare that to a guy who has run up a clutch of blocks of student flats, or this new so-called ‘hyper dense’ accommodation, and is already worth more. What is the market saying is the best career, not to say the best business to invest in?

    But this cannot be fixed, and certainly no sane politician would do any more than talk about doing so. The entire wealth of the country is based on this bigger fool theory of real estate investing – you buy a house for a million dollars on the expectation of finding a bigger fool who’ll pay 1.1 million.

    UK consumer and government debt is now at about 200% of GDP, going up at about 120bn a year. 120bn is about 8% of GDP per year, so something like 12% of GDP is attributable directly to borrowing. So the property sector must be supported at all costs, just to keep the economy alive, but keeping it alive has destroyed incentives to do much else. Gresham’s Law before our very eyes.

    I see no alternative for the UK but war. None at all.

    • AlfieMoone

      Brexit means ‘Creative Destruction’. It is indeed War because the entire edifice of the post-war EEC/ECB/EU is based on moving from physical European wars to using the EUropean Economic Union as a platform for the continuation of War by other means. The conceit that you could reconcile the vast divergence of European culture, from the Baltics to the Balkans, from the Atlanticist to the Carolingian to the Visegradian by imposing an experimental currency called the Euro is about to be torched. And Ireland is the epicentre of that conflagration, not the United Kingdom.

      Let me spell it out. Despite the woes you correctly identify in the UK economy, I do not see the future as dismal as I believe the British (specifically English) culture is so resiliant and innovative that it will rise to the challenge. Brexit is the subconscious beginnings of finally addressing the failure of financialisation to bring prosperity to the entire Nation State. It is an acceptance of the need to fire up the Midlands Engine. It is an acceptance that Birmingham was/is/will be the real capital of the country and that Wembley Stadium must be relocated there. The specific historical plot to banjax Brum by Norman Londinium is over. Nobody seriously now contests that it is an abject failure. There is a reason why the East & West Midlands were at the head of the queue saying FcUKEU! The ancient birth-place of Anglo-Saxon values, of the English Cultural Algorithm has risen up against it’s Norman oppressor of 1000 years and declared war on them. Brexit isn’t just the UK vs EU, it’s Birmingham vs London. And Birmingham has already won. Other than the hopeless fluffers of The City, most sensible people realise that game is over and that London and the South East can, will and must crash and burn just like Tokyo did in the late 80s. So what? Big deal. Boo hoo! We didn’t withstand the Blitz to be buggered by a bunch of traitors in The City who’ve tried to sell England By The Pound to Foreign Powers. The history of this hidden conflict which as now erupted with epochal, world-historic consequences is almost unknown in polite media and historical circles as it is so counter-intuitive, so eruptive, so dangerous that only the very wise even discern it. But Theresa may didn’t call Brexit a Revolution onstage without a reason last week. She knows what will happen if she doesn’t stand up to Norman London: the UK will go up in flames…Here’s an initial summary of the ‘facts’, though the map is not the territory. There’s an Economist article called ‘Birmingham: How To Kill A City’ but the salient details are also in this FT page:

      ‘Why Birmingham is now one of Europe’s best cities for investors
      Britain’s second city has become a magnet for businesses, workers, investors and home buyers’


      What has Birmingam got to do with Ireland? Well, it’s the source-code of the Rebel Yell. The Shire Irish have been fleeing to the area since time immemorial, fleeing the Viking Norman tyrants who’ve run the islands since 1066 and the Danish founding of Dublin. But they never tamed the Mercian/Saxon rebel code, the Cultural Algorithm that is now re-emerging as Brexit. And the centuries of Irish re(Fugees) in the Shires just added to the mix. It’s a myth that Irish people only arrived en masse in the Midlands of England in the 50s. Trace the history of the Viking slave trade on the Severn river to find out the truth. St Patrick was snatched on those banks, not in France as revisionist fake-Irish historians desperately try to claim to hide the truth.

      Behind the flags, there is NO difference between the hopes, dreams, aspirations and political interests of the ordinary people of both of these islands. Both islands have been subject to a 1000 year Norman Toraigh Reich and 1916 didn’t mean much at all in terms of change. But November 21 1974 did. Bombing working-class pubs full of Brummies and Shire Irish was the final affront of fake-Irishness to the Shire Rebel core. It was a catastrophic error and is recognised as such by the IRA high command. But it didn’t sunder the links because it cannot as the source code of both cultures is the same. The tragedy of 1916 was tat Padraig Pearse couldn’t reconcile the Secular Heritage of his father and collapsed into Blood Sacrifice psychosis which, tragically, became the dominant cultural memeplex on the island of Ireland, allowing fake Soldiers of Infamy to paint post-boxes green, keep the CTA open with all the access to the deep Capital honeypot of Norman Londinium as they plotted to subsume the Irish Nation State within a wider Roman Empire.

      Hasn’t anyone else figured all this out? How can Ireland be an ‘independent’ Nation when it’s citizens aren’t recognised as ‘foreign’ by it’s neighbour and supposed arch-enemy? When those rights are reciprocated for each and every English subject who chooses to make a home on the island of Ireland. Why is this? Because it is simply impossible to separate the flows of these Spiral Tribes on these islands, doing so would be like trying to separate cocoa out of chocolate as I read in a relevant historical overview yesterday.

      So, where are we now? In peril. On both islands, but most people on the island of Ireland are still locked in the trance. Time for me, as Global Taoiseach, to wake them up. Here goes:

      Ireland is in peril. Core UK has faced up to all the issues which StephenKenny has expertly itemised. People on this island have realised that the nonsense ‘financialisation without production’ is a ponzi scam that is going to collapse and the banking bailout of the City of London is the reason why Brexit is happening. That facing up/waking up is called Brexit. It isn’t coherent, there’s no ‘plan’, it’s just an eruptive volcanic release of anger and frustration that now leads to Creative Destruction and a new Core UK but nobody knows which way it pans out. But. BUT! After the blood-bath of the summer, Theresa May has emerged as The Brexit Boss. She will decide which was to try and steer this even as new plots emerge all around her. What she has decided is to throw 40 years of British, European and Global consensus over Neoliberal cant onto a bonfire. When some of us Brexit folk talk about Singapore-on-Thames we do not mean American Capitalism red in tooth and claw. We mean a disciplined society based on Core Values, but those of the UK, not Singapore. We mean a fully-funded NHS and public education paid for with income streams fairly sourced from individuals and corporate entities. We mean arresting Bansky and putting him on trial for the gentrification of graffiti. That’s a wild-card example but i’m using it as a way of expressing that Liam Fox is right in some ways even if I don’t agree with the details. There is laziness, there is an expectatin that the world owes the UK a living and all we have to do is sprinkle magical City fairy dust all over the globe and sit back and watch the telly. In the Midlands, that kind of talk is seen as delusional as the German tram systems unfold…So Brexit means a new Industrial Revolution harnassing the disruptive potential of robotic engineering, allying it to industrial production and using the profits to create a fairer society. New Labour was based on de-regulating The City with ‘soft-touch’ regulation so that some of the froth of profits could be carved up for social purposes. Where did that delusion get folk? The 2008 crisis, a doubling of the National Debt under Osborne and virtually no long-term infrastructural remedies, whether physical or social.

      Now…Ireland..Ireland didn’t even have a first Industrial Revolution for reasons which are complex and contested but it’s clear that it’s population was used by Irish, British and American Norman Toraigh overlords as feeder-stock for British and American civilisational projects. Recently, the new rulers of Ireland, the Soldiers of Infamy, realised they could game the CTA by allowing Ireland to be used as a geo-political proxy-hedge for the EUro Great Game which the US-uk incubus-succubus was ensuring was kept under control. For a few brief decades they had their fun but now they too are on the run. The Irish IFSC/D4/CTA ‘Soldiers Of Infamy’ economic model collapses with Brexit. I won’t go into the full details…yet. But here’s an amuse-bouche:

      When the UK leaves the EU, there will be an annual shortfall in the Brussels budget of 10bn quid. The UK is a Net Contributor. Ireland is a Net Recipient (or was until recently when Leprechaunomics…LOL!)

      Where do you all think Brussels, Paris and Berlin is looking for the cash to staunch that cash-flow crisis? Down the back of the sofa? Or in ‘regulating and harmonising Corporate Tax across the EU’? And given the Apple debacle and rising resentment about Irish Tax-Whoring, he exactly will Ireland turn to to as it tries to keep the tax-haven punch-bowl full? The UK? Nope..US…Nope. Even if Clinton wins she knows she has to accommodate Trump ‘nativism’ for her 2nd term pitch. And guess what’s the Nuclear Bomb which Juncker will drop on Ireland? Closing the Common Travel Area. His logic will be impeccable. It is no longer appropriate, permissable or acceptable for the Republic Of Ireland to have an open border with a non-EU nation, just as it isn’t for Greece to open it’s border to Turkey. Does anyone seriously imagine Charlie Flanagan will get the EU27 to side with Ireland against Juncker? When the EU27, or the deranged part of it, will be seething with rage and seeking revenge on the UK for Brexit?

      TL;dr The Republic of Ireland is leaving both the EUro and the EU in 2019 alongside the UK. Or it ceases to exist as anything other than a province of a European super-state.

      best wishes
      Alfie Moone
      [channeling Andy Mooney:
      Taoiseach of the 5th Province
      & President Of Global Eng-Eireland]

      Wolfgang Münchau :”those in Ireland in favour of EU membership should give some thought to what could go wrong”


      • StephenKenny

        FDI is nice, but it’s not new, and so it isn’t an indicator of anything very much – just Google ‘FDI UK ‘ and then chose a year sometime after the internet was born.

        Looking at it’s sources, it looks like a lot of Chinese and Indian organisations with billions of pounds to spend, and they’re buying UK businesses and UK property. The UK buys electronic gadgets, and the Chinese end up with a lot of pounds sterling, which they use to buy UK property and businesses. They have to spend it on something that can be paid for with sterling.

        Yes, we all live in hope, but hope isn’t a strategy, and hope – along with hype – has never been in short supply in the UK since, I can’t remember when. It’s the UK’s greatest strength, if that’s what it is, this ability for self promotion. But I suggest you consider what’s happened with this ever increasingly intense message, over the past 20 to 30 years, and where it’s led to.

        The very social, educational, and economic fabric of the country mitigates against anything other than a FIRE economy. Hope and hype can work wonders, when optimism is all that is required to fuel the economic engine – people feel hopeful, so they go out and borrow against a glorious future, in some form or another. As long as you can keep the hope going, people will keep on borrowing – as long as the credit is available, and the UK are the global masters of creating credit.

        My point isn’t that a ponzi scheme is particularly unusual because it isn’t. My point, as the regards the UK, is that the longevity of the ponzi scheme as unusual, and that the long term effect has been to distort the markets and incentives to such an extent that bad money doesn’t give good money a look in. In fact, bad money is now viewed as good money – after all, it’s all just PR.

        I cannot see a conventional way out. The scale is just so huge. The social adjustment necessary for anything close to an approach towards a view of a a hint of a solution would be absolutely unacceptable, even were there anyone politically capable of suggesting it.

        Of course, I do agree with you, it will pass, as all of history does. But that isn’t unique to the British. The only modern economy that’s fallen back significantly, that I can think of, off hand, is Uruguay. I see they’ve pulled out of the TTIP ‘negotiations’.

        But I think it’ll take a war, a real war, for it to do so. It’s just reason by exclusion – I just can’t think of anything else that would work.

    • coldblow


      I read that book ‘Fantasy Ireland’ that you recommended here a few years ago. I think it is by a couple of Daily Mail journalists. I think they hit the nail on the head, particularly with the title. As I see it, it is a huge fantasy, or agglomeration of fantasies.

      Journalist Christopher Booker wrote a fascinating book at the end of 1968 which I read recently. Called The Neophiliacs it traces the rise of the Fab Sixties, documenting events in England (which I remember only in part, and dimly, as I was only six years old in 1964), using a kind of ‘fantasy framework’ of his own devising (or so it seems) with five stages: dream, frustration, nightmare, death wish and fade into reality (or into a new fantasy). He thinks there were two complete cycles between 1956 and 1967 or so. By 1965 the country had been utterly transformed, morally and culturally, from what it had been a decade earlier.

      • StephenKenny

        Yes, it’s a good book. Written by the Economics editors of the Guardian and Mail on Sunday newspapers.
        It’s quite fun, when sitting around in a cafe, to guess what historians will say about this period in 50 years.

  19. http://dailyreckoning.com/elections-already-over/

    We wait and see if it is really all over. Stockman has many valid points.

    • michaelcoughlan

      Hi Tony,

      I think Trump will win not that I want to see that outcome.

      He appeals to the lowest common denominator in the US just like Hitler did to the same type in Germany.

      The lowest common denominator in the US being your average fat ignorant thick as a pig shit American tossing off to pics of a fat holed Kardashian, sitting in his personal arsenal praying for Russian paratroopers to come floating down (as if they wouldn’t shoot back), distracted by facebook and Instrgram, and blaming the whole world for the way the US has been destroyed by out of control central bank FED policies.


      • michaelcoughlan

        The level of thought process (if Trump gets elected) will be similar to a situation if you gave the Kardashians nuclear weapons an would run like this from a kardashian perspective;

        “If you stop sending me loadsa moola for flashing my tits and hole at ya I’ll blow your country up!”


      • Over the last few years I have sailed into the San Juan Islands and tied up to a dock or two.

        I have met all kinds of people and mostly families. and retired.

        I was aware that that incomes had stagnated. They had a boat and a couple of kids and often travelled as a flotilla with friends.
        Others were retired or semi retired. All came across as decent people.

        When I asked them how the economy was I learned of anger and frustration; Of hard work and dwindling money due to inflation; I learned of the financial squeeze. nobody had any idea what to do or who to blame.

        When I explained about the money system, based on debt there was generally incredulity, wide eyes and almost dismissal because the outline given them was to them incredible.

        These are the general run of people looking for a focus. The squeezed middle class.

        Trump has given them a focus. He expresses a solution, and they are fed up with the status quo.

        So I disagree with your description of those attracted to Trump even though there are plenty who fit your description.
        This is the revolt of the middle class. Trump is anti interventionist unlike Clinton who is a war monger. Clinton has destroyed the Middle east with the US policy of divine right to interfere with everyone. She is funded by the bankers and Wall Street. Trump is the antithesist.
        Trump will make accommodation with Russia, withdraw from adventurism and beef up defence and spend money at home , on infrastructure rather than destroying it abroad.

        Trump is on the full receiving end of everything that can be done to destroy his character and reputation. The GOP establishment, Wall Street, the MSM, The bankers, etc.

        He is one of a few politicians who have put their money where their mouth is. Most have opened their pocket to have it receive as much largess as possible. The system is corrupted.

        We wait to see who will step up to vote. We wait to see if the Polls are biased or rigged. Remember Brexit!

        • We had hoped that Ron Paul could make a difference in past elections but his campaign was shafted by the GOP brass.
          The same thing was done in Canada to Preston Manning. MSM ridicule was enough in his case.

  20. Truthist

    Most of the people condemning Trump for talking like a ‘brute” about some of the women he meets in his business & & entertainment & political circuit are HYPOCRITES in this context ;
    They say a picture tells a 1,000 words ;

    These are the folks who “pretend” to be offended by Donald Trump’s language.

    • Deco

      Actually, I find Trump’s language offensive. I also find it indicative of the inner idiot of Trump. He is not a diplomat. More big mouth than anything else.

      But, I find Hillary Clinton deeply troubling. Her illness, her lies, her serial incompetence, her repeated coverups, her pretence on Libya, her contribution to the mess in Syria, and her militarism against the Shanghai Co-opertion Organization (Russia, China, and allies ) are serious disqualifications.

      Clinton will probably win. But the consequences will be terrible. More regime change. More blunders. More inner societal decline.

      Really, America has an awful choice.

      For Ireland, clinton is worse, because of the links to a prominent oligarch who loves telling people to shut up.

  21. McCawber

    Haven’t read the article but just on the headline.
    Of course it’s going to be a hard Brexit.
    The EGOs in the EU won’t have it any other way – that’s how bullies behave.
    We’re next to be bullied, our main weapon are the US multinationals.
    On that basis we should not be condemning either Trump or Clinton (note my hypocrisy).
    A low poll could mean a very tight vote.
    Silence is Golden particularly from our politicians.

  22. Truthist

    I am inclined to think that Snowden is a “Double-Agent” planted into Russia for The Dreadful Few’s proxy USA
    I have same thoughts about Assange.
    Anyway, here is the latest from Snowden ;
    Edward Snowden: Osama Bin Laden Is “Alive And Well In The Bahamas”
    By wmw_admin on October 10, 2016

    • Truthist

      Note ;
      I know that Assange is not based in Russia ;
      But, rather in Ecudarian embassy in London.
      I am just saying that I think he is a “Double-Agent”.

  23. McCawber

    On Trump v Clinton.
    Clinton will win but the veil has slipped.
    The American electorate might well vote republican in both houses to make sure she’s kept in check.
    America will be at war in four years time because the electorate always reelect th incumbent when their nation is at war.

  24. AlfieMoone

    Eredington was one of the bastions of the Birmingham Irish, it’s amusing it’s now the epicentre of the working class jihad against Neoliberalism:

    ‘‘Erdington conservatism‘ (named after a working class area of Birmingham) imagines the state intervening in the economy, to defend the interests of the immobile against the mobile, for reasons that liberals will never really understand because they’ve probably never experienced hardship. Resonances with ‘Blue Labour’ and ‘Red Toryism’ have been widely noted.

    There is obviously no contradiction between social conservatism and economic protectionism: both are hostile to the fluidity, cosmopolitanism and perceived snobbery of liberalism. Theresa May’s comment yesterday “if you believe you’re a citizen of the world, you are a citizen of nowhere” was pitched as much at bankers as at leftwing intellectuals. Whether it was also a ‘dog whistle’ regarding refugees probably depends on what breed of dog you are. Marine le Pen certainly didn’t disagree. But if anything, it was the Thatcherite effort to weld social conservatism to economic liberalism that was contradictory – as Stuart Hall famously diagnosed [pdf] at the outset – and not this latest turn towards economic interventionism. This latest reconfiguration of conservatism could ultimately be a more sustainable one even than Thatcher’s.’


    Theresa May’s Brexit is designed to ensure that Blue UKIP/Red UKIP do not usurp the existing power-structures in the British Parliament. By stealing UKIP’s manifesto alongside most of Labour’s she hopes she will reign for decades. But Arron Banks has other ideas. And yet the traditional Left still think Brexit can’t happen if they just shout ‘racism’ at the top of their lungs in their echo chamber.

    Arron Banks: Theresa May has rebranded Conservatives as UKIP
    One of UKIP’s biggest donors tells Sky News the PM’s conference speech could have been written by Nigel Farage.


    • StephenKenny

      Do you think that Teresa May’s government has itself got any vision, or are they just jumping on any passing bandwagon – aka Cameron?

      • AlfieMoone


        Out of the 2016 ‘class of creepy clowns’ that is the British political classes, I think she’s the only person who can credibly claim the right to be ring-master. Oddly enough, I feel that same about Enda & think there will be some ‘interesting’ conversations between Theresa and Enda ‘going forward’. I am hopeful she realises that it’s not just the disintegration of the EUro-pean Union that’s on the event horizon (that’s already baked in & can’t now be stopped) but also that of the United Kingdom which was a prototype EU, an attempt to bring together the north-west archipelago of Europe.

        Vision implies a completed, fixed, finalised and static entity, bound by preconceived ideological positions and posturing. That’s exactly what’s NOT required. But the act of ongoing ‘visioning’ as a verb, as a process not a solution, is desperately needed and i hope she’s up to the task which fate has directed her life to.

        Brexit wasn’t and isn’t anyone’s to claim ownership of. When people ask me what is the ‘plan’ for Brexit i tell them that, thankfully, nobody knows yet. It is an act of political, social and moral rebellion against a corrupt and decaying order. It is a real Rising but far more profund in it’s implications than 1916. Joseph Schumpeter coined the term ‘Creative Destruction’ and Brexit is the most dramatic example of that short of a physical war which, of course, 1916 led to. Brexit has unleashed subterranean cultural energies, it is the equivalent of a nuclear depth-charge at the bottom of the oceanic Cultural Algorithm that is the United Kingdom. It resonates geographically, politically, socially but above all historically as it asks the right questions:

        Who are we?

        What does it mean to be English? Scottish? Welsh? Northern Irish? And can those identities be pooled? If they can’t be pooled to create a functioning UK after 300 years of ‘union with Scotland’ and longer with Wales, then how on earth is the EU viable with 28 squabbling members?

        What does it mean to be Irish and claim ‘independence’ after 800 years but still demand that ‘yonder Saxon foe’ allows the Common Travel Area in perpetuity? Why are people from the Republic of Ireland not ‘foreign’ when people from Poland are considered ‘foreign’ despite all the efforts of the EU?

        Why is the whole world terrified of even the idea of English Independence, never mind the actual prospects of it? Could it be that there’s something in the source-code Cultural Algorithm that led to ‘England’ that the whole world subconsciously recognises as capable of ‘rising’ to the myriad challenges of the C21st?

        Why is there such cognitive dissonance about Brexit? Why are The Globalist Elite, led by Irish Canuck Mark Carney, desperately trying to ‘banjax Brexit’? If it is a doomed last gasp of a dying post-colonial psychology, why not just let it play out? Why isn’t Ireland organising rescue ships for Irish people to escape from Britain before it sinks beneath the waves?

        Cameron and Osborne failed because they are programmed with redundant code, software that isn’t fit for purpose. They jumped on bandwagons like ‘The Big Society’ as they know in their hearts that the British Capitalism is both Collectivist and Competitive. They know that after WW2 a victorious Winston Churchill was told to pack his bags when he tried to impose Austerity to repay war debts to the US instead of telling them to drop dead. The British people ignored the clamour of bankers who were wailing ‘Bankruptcy!’ and increased their Debt-to-GDP ratio to 250% to pay for the NHS, free education and the rest of the post-war settlement between Capital and Labour, between the ‘officer class’ and the ‘front line’. That settlement is absolutely and totally irrevocable and Brexit is the signalling from the abandoned Industrial Working Class that they will destroy the UK rather than allow the betrayal of the post-war British Dream. And I am part of that resistance, uprising and revolution. Thatcher was an aberration. She is now on the bonfire of history alongside all the rest of those who thought they could hand over the Sovereignty of the United Kingdom to foreign powers. If the current batch of corporate fluffers in Parliament try to subvert Brexit they too will be thrown on the scrap-heap. Corbyn is a Brexit boy, he’s as good as admitted it. And, after having to put up with claims that I’m a ‘racist’, a ‘xenophobe’ and in league with either/both UKIP/EDL it’s rather amusing to see Hampstead bien-peasants have to swallow the fact that their patron saint Ken Loach is now totally onboard the Brexit bus:

        ‘EU is ‘destructive’ Ken Loach blasts Brussels ideology & says he can’t support it ANYMORE

        SOCIALIST filmmaker Ken Loach has slammed Brussels bureaucracy, branding the EU a “lobbyist’s heaven”.’


        The pro-European but anti-EU director said: “I’m not in favour of the EU as it is presently established.

        “Because it is pursuing an economic ideology which I think is destructive. Many people have said it’s destructive.”

        The award-winning director, whose films include ‘The Wind That Shakes The Barley’ and ‘Sweet Sixteen’, continued: “They would have to end prioritising the free market and the interests of big corporations and put the interests of the people first.

        “And the interests of the people are a secure job, a decent wage, somewhere to live, a secure environment, a secure environment in terms of the ecology and climate change.

        “And also a proper respect for everyone, the dignity of every individual.”

        “I understand this city we’re in, Brussels, is a lobbyist’s heaven,” he said. “It is – so we should kick them out.

        “You know, like kicking the moneylenders out of the temple and just work out a way of being together, which to me means planning.

        “It means ownership of the big industries together. Common ownership. It means democratic control.”

        Loach said life in the EU was undignified, before comparing it to his latest film ‘I, Daniel Blake,’ which he said was about “people trapped in state bureaucracy”.

        He continued: “The neoliberal project has failed in terms of providing a dignified life, but it has succeeded massively in rewarding those who benefit from it.

        “I mean we’ve got grotesque luxury co-existing with poverty.”


        I don’t agree with Loach on about full-on Socialist ‘ownership of the big industries’ just as I don’t think the UK could adopt the Danish taxation model, but he’s woken up and realised people like me are just as entitled as he is to claim ownership of the UK’s joint Collectivist/Competitive Capitalist Cultural Code, a Cultural Algorithm entitled the ‘United Kingdom’ whose latest manifestation is Brexit. There’s a reason people desperately try to get to the UK and it isn’t the weather. It’s the cultural code which they want for their children. How many people will want their kids to have the US cultural code the way things are going over there?

        And whilst it remains part of the CTA, the fate and destiny of the Republic of Ireland is inextricably linked with the United Kingdom. Juncker knows this. That’s why he will declare war on these islands by forcing the Common Travel Area to be closed with Hard Borders for a Hard Brexit. Of course, Enda could always use this ‘creative destruction’ to forge a new European Union that is more attuned to the consensual reality of it’s citizens/subjects desires, couldn’t he? He is, after all, Head Boy, the best pupil in the class, admired and respected by the entire EU27 who will decide whether or not there is to be a Hard Brexit or an amicable divorce…

        Theresa May doesn’t need a vision, she needs a battle plan because Juncker & Co intend to declare war. What Jean-Claude needs to remember is that Theresa, in her killer-kitten stiletto heels, is an Abba fan. She knows her history and she will, if necessary, not hand-bag him like Thatcher did to Delors, she will take off her shoe and stab him in the eye..at the end of Brexit he will face his Waterloo..

        Brexit is about which Cultural Algorithm will run Europe. Will it be the Franco-German Napoleonic Code running an EU supra-national United States Of Europe with a joint army, tax harmony and rules on how bendy bananas can be? Or will it be the Atlanticist Cultural Algorithm of the UK with a mosaic of independent Sovereign Nation State trading economies converging and diverging flexibly in response to the dynamics of the C21st? The Republic of Ireland has chosen the former, the UK has chosen the latter. Juncker intends to close the Common Travel Area to ensure there’s no more ‘confusion’ in the Irish Mind about what fateful choices they made when the adopted the Euro then allowed a 2nd Referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. The UK didn’t give it’s subjects a vote on the Lisbon Treaty as they knew it would be a landslide against it. If the English are ever foolish enough to allow The Globalists to foist a 2nd Referendum on Brexit then they deserve the same ex-Nation State fate as the Irish appear to be choosing.

        I hope Theresa May is up to the challenge, but if she isn’t, us Shire Irish Brexit BrummieBoys will just get rid of her and find someone else who is. I suggest the Irish adopt the same approach towards Enda…if Flanagan fluffs Juncker and allows the CTA to be closed, it really is ‘game over’ for Ireland. Forever. Over to you, *lads*…

        • StephenKenny

          What is very interesting to me, and something that I think is starting to become more apparent, wherever I travel, is exemplified by your comments.
          I don’t agree with much of your reasoning, I never do, but I agree with what is clearly your ‘vision’. Maybe vision isn’t the appropriate word, but I, and I think many people of we call ‘left and right’, agree with this ‘direction’. In my usage of the term, a vision doesn’t need to particularly well defined but enough so people can understand the trend and direction.

          Is May a leader who (a) has a vision for her country, (b) can articulate it to the public mind, and (c) can carry it through.

          I don’t know UK politics well enough to have any feel for this, but it is certainly what is necessary, and not only in the UK.

          In times such as these, one of the reasons that objectionable leaders arise is because they have a vision for their people. It’s often as simple as it is vague, full of metaphors, comparisons with the glorious old days, and whatever else might strike a chord with their audiences. This ability to articulate it, raises them up above the others, and then, generally, they completely fail to deliver.

          It is time, not for a utilitarian plans, but for someone who can articulate a picture of the possible, of what should be the future. And, obviously, to do it in a way that works for their audience.

          Whether you like to not, you articulate a vision well. Certainly well enough for me to understand. And, in spite of your (as I see it) reasoning, I agree with you. I think this is a trend, and that is what is interesting.

          • AlfieMoone

            93 My ‘vision’ is as it always was, that both of these island finally resolve the clashes in their cultural codes and move forward to what I call an ‘Isles of Wonder’ scenario where a mosaic of ‘spiral tribes’ cross-fertilise, collaborate, share, trade, respect difference, celebrate diversity & don’t resort to coercion, violence, historical victims scripts, totalising racism against an imagined ‘Other’, whether that foe identity be ‘English’, ‘Irish’, ‘Unionist’, ‘Republican’, ‘Catholic’, ‘Protestant’ or ‘foreigner’. I think the only logical solution is a patchwork federation of independent countries, counties and City-States all simultaneously independent and inter-connected to whatever degree they wish to ahcieve. If the peoples of these 2 islands cannot get their act together then it’s totally delusional to imagine the entire EU is going to converge.

            I now see Brexit as a sacrifice being made by the people of the United Kingdom, a parting gift to the EU, a wake-up call, a warning: if you do not get your shit together, the whole thing will collapse. If you try and frustrate Brexit you are proving that you are a club run by bullies, a Bankster’s Paradise of thuggish coercion just as us Brexiteers allege. I also think that an EU is essential for a LOT of European countries as history shows they’ll just tear each other to pieces without it. I think Brexit will trigger a temporary re-framing of the EU into a realpolitik realignment whereby the Original Core members coalesce around a Hard Euro, a Latin Euro emerges for the southern countries and the eastern ‘block’ decide which level of disciplin they wish to align with. Any attempt to force all into a Hard Euro will end up with more Grexit-type debacles.

            The Republic of Ireland must now fight to maintain and re-balance it’s ‘shamrock’ triple identity as an Atlanticist trading hub, a semi-detatched member of the UK via the CTA and a member of the EU. The only way it can reconcile and recalibrate those identities is if it manages to keep the US, UK and EU as friends and partners without alienating any/all of them. For me, the biggest issue is Junckerism and I fear he is already clued up to how to use the CTA to cause total mayhem. It remains to be seen if the US under either Trump or Clinton can exert sufficient pressure alongside the UK under May to ensure that a vindictive EU under Juncker’s baleful influence isn’t allowed to banjax Ireland as part of a plan to banjax Brexit. Hopefully, Enda is already mapping out the strategy to divide & rule the EU by ignoring the bullies and seeking allies. But who are those potential allies once the UK is gone?
            ‘Whether you like to not, you articulate a vision well.’

            Time will tell….all these ramblings are just an amuse-bouche to the main meal…the real deal…I’ve really enjoyed following the discussions on this blog under various pseudonymous identities but, suddenly, this particular thread seems a suitable place to end my ruminations and cogitations on ‘what it means to be Irish, English, both and neither in the C21st’. I’ve ironically written that my QWERTY laptop keyboard is a Ouija board and I’m chanelling various historical ghosts from British & Irish history and culture. But sometimes it’s really felt like I’ve got close to the core of what all all of this ‘identity’ stuff might be about. It’s been incredibly healing and nourishing both as ‘AndrewGMooney’, ‘alfiemoone’ & also briefly as ‘Flower Of The Mountain’ when I planned to channel Joyce but that didn’t come through the ether for some reason….LOL!
            My daughter left for University recently. I’ll be claiming all this comment history was ‘involuntary writing’, that I’ve been used as a vessel, a vehicle for astral projection writing. I’ll claim at the end I was suddenly watching these words appear on my screen with a mounting sense of confusion and surprise as I’d thought I was a private person living with my family in The Shire and until this ending comment had no knowledge of all of these online seances. As the astral fog begins to dissipate around me, I’ll now review the decade long comment logs in a state of shock & embarassment, then regain my poise & decide whether or not to dismiss it all as the work of either an imposter or a demonic entity. It’s finally time to switch off this laptop to begin final rehearsals before presenting my Total Art Work / Gesamtkunstwerk to the world via an initial series of low-key Sean Nos Nua gigs in Birmingham pubs. That’s if my wife doesn’t persuade him that our remaining years together are too precious to be wasted in the blare and glare of a public life as an artist….it’s highly likely I will never admit to having been the author of any of this. But we shall see…LOL!
            Thanks to all who’ve provided such interesting ‘food for thought’, including, of course, the blog’s author. As I’m now almost fully back in control of my conscious and unconscious mind this final comment comes to an end…..
            Go n-éirí an bóthar leat
            Go raibh an ghaoth go brách ag do chúl
            Go lonraí an ghrian go te ar d’aghaidh
            Go dtite an bháisteach go mín ar do pháirceanna
            Agus go mbuailimid le chéile arís,
            Go gcoinní Dia i mbos A láimhe thú.

            A candle burns in the twilight. A soft Irish brogue whispers:

            ”as I count backwards from 10 to 1 you will awake and remember……………nothing!

            *snaps fingers*


            93 93/93

            Jimmy Page: ‘Lucifer Rising’ (Original Soundtrack)


          • AlfieMoone

            ‘Can the EU survive Brexit?’


  25. Deco

    The Budget, is framed in the context of the key issue of importance being another election within 12 months, and Mickey Martin’s vote buying machine’s ambitions to rrebuild their vote-buying appeal.

    Actually, the key fact of relevance is Brexit.

    We are facing a massive competitiveness problem. Britain is using Brexit as a means of getting it’s debt down. Increasing competitiveness, whilst decreasing debt. Whilst taking avail of chaos in the EuroZone thanks to the serial incompetence of the ECB – which gives the GBP a lot of forgiveness.

    So how are the politicians in Kildare Street addressing the competitiveness problem ?

    By increasing welfare payments. This is stupid.

    It would make far more sense to spend the money on retraining, and fixing FAS / Solas or whatever they will call it next.

    In other words the intelligent way to run the country, is to get the unemployed into employment.

    Instead the state has decided that the unemployed need to be given a bonus.

    Effectively, FF/FG have addressed the competitiveness problem – by making Ireland less competitive.

    RTE-pravda, will praise it, as a step in the right direction. The Disunited Looney Bin Alliance / Auntie Aw-Sterr-it-ee alliance will proclaim that there can never be enough welfare.

    Bertonnomics is back. The return of vote buying. May as well have Bertie in power.

  26. McCawber

    “Nobody does it better” are words in a James Bond theme movie.
    Bond is a fictional character – Our politicians are about as believable.

  27. Hillary Clinton gets away with wiping out 30,000 emails but the bankers are now having to cough up in the conspiracy prosecution of price fixing gold etc.

    ………”Large global banks targeted in a lawsuit alleging price fixing in the gold market, including Canada’s Bank of Nova Scotia, will have to turn over internal emails and other correspondence spanning several years as the case moves ahead, says Daniel Brockett, the New York lawyer who is spearheading the U.S. lawsuit.

    “They have to produce all the relevant emails and chat room instant messages, however they communicated with each other,” Brockett said in an interview after Valerie Caproni, a judge in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, ruled this past week that a portion of the case can move forward.”………..
    http://business.financialpost.com/news/fp-street/scotia- will-have-to-reveal-internal-correspondence-in-gold-fixing- case-lawyer-for-plaintiffs-says? utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=F eed:+FP_TopStories+(Financial+Post+-+Top+Stories)

  28. Deco

    Brexit requires a shift in competitiveness. Ireland’s regions are not able to compete on cost or scale with England’s regions. The current mindset of the government is to not scale back the institutional state and rectify the indirect cost problem. The local authorities must be mandated with the ability to take their cut from all activities, and also with unnecessary expenditure.

    Provincial Ireland is no longer competitive. The minumum wage is adrift of reality. If there is no business, thanks to the high costs of operating a NGV, the joke that is Irish Railfreight, fuel costs, then there are no jobs. If there is not training, then there are no employees.

    There are things that the state can do, and there are areas where the state is wasting money. FAS could improve matters, if it was reformed and given a mandate to improve labour market efficiency. RTE on the other hand is merely a ridiculous leftover from the 1980s.

    The problem is political. RTE wants a large amount of people on welfare, who act as a conduit for state funds to be directed to RTE. FAS is directionless, and is functionally underperforming. Both are wasting the people’s money, producing rubbish. RTE should be sold off, and the FAS should be completely overhauled. The Ruairi Quinn strategy (give it a PR makeover) has failed. We need FAS to work. We do not need RTE at all.

    The HSE has too many hospitals. It is run like a community employment scheme in rural Ireland, and like a property holding entity in Dublin. Not only are there too many hospitals in Louth and in Tipperary – there are too many hospitals in Dublin, as well. The M50 has eliminated the need for so many hospitals. One new large facility on the M50 would represent not merely a massive cost saving, but a massive effectiveness improvement, as well. The dumbest thing ever was committing money to St. James Hospital, located in the worst traffic area in the entire island. Likewise the motorway network, in the midlands. Porlaoise, Tullamore and Mullingar might be better as two or even one.

    Our usage of state assets is abysmal. The concept of scale is disregarded, in the interests of looking after noisemakers. This is actually holding us back. It is an efficiency barrier to the entire economic system. This needs to be fixed. Every county town in Ireland is trying to maximise it’s state employment. Every local authority councillor agrees. It is actually highly cost inefficient.

    Finally, with respect to the housing crisis in Dublin, it is not becomming clear that either the local authorities increase the residential density, or else businesses start moving out. It is now a matter of time management. People are spending too much time in traffic, getting parking etc.. to be productive.

    • AlfieMoone

      ‘Brexit requires a shift in competitiveness. Ireland’s regions are not able to compete on cost or scale with England’s regions.’ Deco

      The ‘disaster’ of the £ falling against the ?€ will just add to the regional productivity disparities in RoI. A falling £ is an important Brexit shock-absorber for the UK and a real problem for Irish exporters. I’ve just watched Dan Mulhall, the Irish Ambassador to the UK, on Sky. He seems more worried about the currency situation than the border. It’s like he can’t even imagine a situation where Juncker will ramp up the Stop Brexit pressure by gaming the CTA situation. All he has to do is walk into the Visegrad group and say “I’m going to allow RoI citizens to carry on not being ‘foreign’ in the UK whilst your peeps are gonna have to live with being Brexited out of the cosy arrangements’. No doubt they’ll just shrug and say “OK”….*rollseyes*

      The same old carry on. People unable to distinguish trading algorithms and spread betting from macro-economic big picture shifts. urrency traders got the Brexit vote totally wrong but we’re still supposed to take them seriously as ‘experts’? LOL! “I think this country has had enough of ‘experts’” Michael Gove.

      ‘Pound Sterling has finally staged a rally on global FX markets as an heavily oversold currency is bid on profit-taking by traders.’


      Meanwhile some still think that Brexit can be gamed to Ireland’s advantage rather than recognising it as a germinating existential crisis:

      The Brexit vote in June was one of the political shocks of the decade. The British Prime Minister is taking a hard line and the EU establishment wants to punish the UK as a warning to others who might ruin the European project. How will this all play out once Teresa May presses the nuclear Article 50 in March 2017 and how can Ireland box clever and position itself to potentially profit at Britain’s loss?’


      What would be interesting at Kilkenomics 2016 is for Dan Ariely to do a ‘meta’ show linking his’Irrationally Yours, Predictably Irrational, The Upside of Irrationality and The (Honest) Truth About Dishonesty’ behavioural economics shtick to the delusional Irish intellectual group-think about Brexit. In any SWOT analysis you pay equal attention to each letter of that acronym….At least Brexit is on the Kilkenomics ‘to do’ list, briefly. Unlike the UK Labour Party Conference of 2016 which didn’t even have it as an agenda item. Seriously, these islands! Whose politicians are the most stupid? As for Noonan & Co pouring petrol on the Irish housing market….what’s gaeilge for deja vu?

      *purrs, strokes keyboard & smiles*

  29. Deco

    The article in the Irish Independent is correct.

    Bertonomics does NOT work. It creates a party, and then a cathastrophe.

    It has the key personality, it has a whiskey nose, and a series of embarrassments as the long term consequence, like it’s key personality.

    The politicians are returning to Bertonomics. It is madness. Noonan wanted to out-Bertie Bertie once. And the people reject his approach. now, he is doing it again.

    The housing market in Dublin needs
    - more supply
    - more commercial activity at regional hubs to take the pressure off Dublin, and restore the regional balance
    - higher density to ensure immediate supply in areas close to high employment areas
    - more administrative efficiency of the public sector.

    The Labour market needs
    - a lower minimum wage to help the regions
    - lower freight levies to help the regions distant from the ports
    - a business plan for rail freight to help the regions
    - a better transport plan to enable more regional distribution of labour supply
    - FAS to be completely overhauled, and fixed
    - an end to any university course that amounts to wasting time
    - an end to the “dumbing down” process in the education system
    - state employment to move to the regions.
    - a rationalisation of the HSE hospital network, and consolidation into larger, motorway accessible locations like Blanch or new greengfield locations like Naas or east of Galway city.

    And it is coming at exactly the time when we should be concerned about

    Debt reduction,
    A return to functioning markets in respect of real estate and internal services.

    • Deco

      By the way, within the regions there will have to be an efficiency drive in the public sector, as well as movement of more administrative roles to the regions. And that means that certain activities need to be scaled up, and made more efficient and moved to locations that enable efficiency.

      We built a motorway network, with the people’s tax money. Now we need to use it, so as to reduce state costs, and enable a redirection of public funds to labour market efficiency improvement, and infrastructural development.

  30. Deco

    We need to get labour productivity fixed. We need to get the debts under control. And we need to concentrate state resources, on improving state sector efficiency, so that we can improve the quality of services provided, whilst reducing their cost to the rest of society.

    Instead we are getting tried-&-failed Bertonomics.

    Competitive squeeze up ahead.

  31. Truthist

    Is ur government — L.E.J. ; The Leglislative, The Executive, & The Judiciary, & the L.E.J.’s Instrument ; The Civil SERPENTS — ur friend ?
    In The General idea of the Revolution 1851 Proudhon urged a “society without authority.”
    In a subchapter called “What is Government?” he wrote:
    To be GOVERNED is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so.
    To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished.
    It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be place[d] under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, harassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonored.
    That is government;
    that is its justice;
    that is its morality.
    So, of course “There will be a hard Brexit” for those enduring the thin edge of the wedge ;
    The poor / exploited Jobless
    The poor / exploited Employers
    The poor/ exploited Self-employed
    The poor / exploited Employees.

  32. Deco

    Brexit will be hard.

    Brexit will now be even harder, for Ireland. Bertonomics are back on the scene. More borrowing, more largesse, more pressies for anybody whose vote is for sale.

    We are failing to address competitiveness.

    Failing to address state inefficiency.

    Failing to address state ineffectiveness.

    Failing to address the misallocation of resources.

    Failing to address regional retardation, which is happening.

    Failing to address a productivity problem.

    Failing to address debt problems, and Noonan wants to incentivise more debt. The problem is that there are not enough residences being built in Dublin city. Building them in Westmeath is not addressing the problem.

    The politicians had three months to respond, and produce a plan to handle the changed competitive environment. What followed is gobsmacking. We can always rely on the Ruth Coppingers and RBBs of this world to chrun out nonsense. But the centrist parties have completely lost the plot.

    Instead, of producing a thought out response, they continued as if nothing had changed. We see the same nonsense, a fiver here, another fiver there, a few tweaks, reform nothing, make nothing more efficient, make nothing more effective, and statements about GDP (joke) “grote” is up.

    Brexit, has been a competitiveness problem. It will be even more of a competitiveness problem, when Britain starts running Britain properly, and gets away from the scary clowns in Brussels.

    Brussels has already made it clear that Brussels will NOT reform itself.

    We are now structuring ourselves for a sharp boom, and another cathastrophe thereafter.

    Remember, Ireland’s debt to wage income (the part of income that is actually taxed, in a serious manner) is much higher than that of Greece. We only get away with it because of a productivity differential. If we do not keep that productivity differential up, we are in trouble.

    Brexit is exposing our productivity differential with respect to certain sectors and the UK market. This needs fixing. Noonan, has decided to weaken that productivity factor, and declare that GDP is up (as a result of an accounting gimick in the mnc sector).

  33. Truthist

    I had only brief view ;
    But, it looks to be an interesting website.
    I hope that it confines itself to its specific focus inherent in its name,
    News about “False Flag” conspiracies ; Past, Present, & Future.

  34. Truthist

    I am listening to interesting discussion here about Trump versus Hillary Clinton debate # 2 on youtube.com ;

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