September 26, 2016

The rise of the creative classes

Posted in Sunday Business Post · 125 comments ·

Is it any surprise that the Web Summit decided to head to Lisbon? I am in the amazing Portuguese capital today speaking at a conference. It seems that the entire city has decided that hosting conferences is sufficiently important for the modern brand of the city, that everything is designed to make the attendees feel special.


While I am talking at a small economics conference, the Web Summit doubling its size to nearly 50,000 attendees, tells us that tech conferences and tech is where it is at.


According to the latest European Digital City Index, in terms of tech, Lisbon is quite a way behind Dublin, but it is catching up. Dublin ranks eighth out of 35 European cities when it comes to being a place to do business in the tech sector, whereas Lisbon is 17th. Lisbon is only moving one way, however. That’s upwards.


Unfortunately, according to the index, Dublin’s infrastructure is dragging us down. Have a look at for the details.


While we rank very highly in terms of entrepreneurial culture, our provision of broadband, our telecoms infrastructure and our psychical infrastructure, such as housing and traffic, let us down badly.


The reason all of this counts from a business perspective is that all cities are now in competition with each other for talent, capital and innovation. And the most creative cities, the ones that offer the best combination of lifestyle and commerce, will win.


In our age of globalisation, the creative economy is the most elevated state of grace a region or city can attain and the more the region scores on what the Americans call a “creative index” the more likely it is to be wealthy.


We are now in the third great era of economic growth, where rewards go to those regions with the highest percentage of creative people who use their brains rather than brawn to make a living.


For centuries, we all lived in the agricultural era when land, land ownership and the produce of the land determined wealth.


Increase in human wealth came via breakthroughs in land productivity and innovations in cultivation.


So finding new crops, new ways of growing them and new machines to increase the yield per acre determined the wealth of the region.


The second great economic era was the industrial age when hard economics came into its own. Hard labour was fused with industrial capital to create the industries of the last century, such as railroads, cars, consumer goods and steelworks. Initially, the new industrial world was located where energy and labour was cheap, easy to extract and plentiful.


So the industrial development of the world was dictated by geography and, more accurately, geology.


In the past 20 years, this industrial world has migrated to a place where labour is cheap. So, for example, the great shipbuilding ports of the world are now in Korea rather than in Europe. We are also seeing the rapid hollowing out of manufacturing in the West as it ups and leaves for China.


Today, the real action for rich countries like Ireland is in the creative industries and the long-term way to protect our standard of living is to foster a creative class.


A few years ago, the American academic Richard Florida identified those people who work with the creative side of the brain.


He believes, and with some compelling evidence, concludes that the US cities with a high proportion of these types – musicians, artists, writers, software engineers, architects, designers, entrepreneurs and the like – are the cities with the strongest growth rates, the highest standards of living and the most satisfied citizens.


He suggests that creative people cluster around each other, in tolerant, open cities. So over the coming years, a crucial factor in attracting them is to create the right urban environment for this tribe.


In making up their minds about where to live, work and make their talents available, they consider the cultural attractions, the nightlife, the atmosphere of the restaurants, bars and cafés, the number of pleasant parks and open spaces.


They will also consider the high-arts, the theatres and whether the national concert hall is up to scratch.


And what about the city’s architecture? What about transport – is it efficient and clean?


We are talking about designer cities here – but designer cities with culture, heritage and a sense of difference.


The great advantage that Ireland has as a region, and Dublin has as a city, over many other places, is that we have a brand.


Whether it is justified or not, Ireland has a brand and it is probably our strongest selling point. It has been carefully cultivated and should be guarded at all costs.


It means many different things to many different people, but compared to other countries with bigger populations – like Belgium, for example – Ireland has a much stronger international brand. Therefore, the IDA should continue to build on this to try to attract in both the creative industries and the creative people.


The arts is a particular case in point. Our state must invest not just in physical or human capital but cultural capital, too. This can be literature, dance, theatre – anything that elevates the cultural edge of the place. This week’s Dublin Theatre Festival is a good example.


But it doesn’t have to be the performing arts; investment in great architecture can be extremely important too.


A great example of this type of cultural dividend is the Guggenheim in Bilbao. The Basque capital has long been associated with the industrial heartland that is the Basque country.


However, in 1997, the city commissioned Frank Gehry, the renowned American architect, to build a new museum based on the Guggenheim in New York.


The ambition was immense, but the statement bigger still. It was signalling to all that Bilbao took its culture seriously. The reaction has been swift: tourist numbers have gone through the roof and Bilbao is now seen as a potential home for Spain’s creative class.


Walking around Lisbon, this capital not just of Portugal but hub of the Portuguese speaking world – the fifth most spoken language in the world – it is not difficult to see that the Portuguese are taking the creative class seriously. There are galleries, museums, beautiful buildings, the nightlife is extraordinary, transport is excellent and rent is cheap.


Once, when Portugal ruled the waves, this was the centre of the world. It may not ever get there again, but it will certainly give other cities a run for their money.


Dublin is in competition with places like this. The Web Summit’s move here is clear evidence of this fact. We’d better take notice, up our game and embrace the creative class.

  1. Tull McAdoo

    I thought we had a rise in the creative class. o.k. so we concentrated all our efforts in the Accountancy area…

    • Deco

      What about the two terms merged ….. “creative accounting” ?

      A lot of that going on in
      -> D1 (the IFSC),
      -> D2 (the institutional state with regards to the Debt to GDP ratio) and
      -> D4 (the banks).

      • Tull McAdoo

        Thanks Deco, I knew someone would get there eventually…..

        “creative accounting” it is or in “Noonan in Wonderland” numbers mean what I say they mean ha ha.

    • Deco

      We did not lose the Web Summit, through an unwillingness to spend public money on arts projects (by artists who lobby state bodies for income).

      We lost the Web Summit, through inefficiency, cost inflation, and bad organization. [ with state bodies being a large component of the chaos].

      Lisbon has several metro lines. Dublin has the DART, a much slower service called luas, and Dublin Bus (currently on strike).

      Considering the manner in which the unions are behaving, the move is a good idea. Did Cosgrave know that Olgenomics were going to impact Ireland’s ability to perform.

      We have basic infrastructural problems.

      Allowing free entry to the national museum (with the PAYE taxpayer picking up the bill) did not prevent the Web Summit moving.

      • Truthist

        in the vast majority of case classed as employees of the company or corporation, & thus
        PAYE Income Tax payers on their Salaries.
        Apt so to refer instead to ;
        “… ( with the very low earners to medium earners picking up the bill ).

  2. Sideshow Bob

    If you have any good tips for bars, places to eat, etc, David, please pass them on I am visiting there and I can handle the lingo. Nothing too expensive mind!

  3. NLBXL

    Dublin is not a well-run city. There is no metro. Houses are generally small, badly insulated, and expensive. In fact, Dublin and Ireland are relatively expensive to live in. Very little of this is due to external factors.

    Cost of living remains important. According to one site,, Dublin has a cost of living of 217; Madrid 149; Lisbon 134. OK, Spain and Portugal are not English-speaking. Tallinn speaks English, and the cost of living is 110. Even Helsinki is at 188.

    As for Bilbao, before the Guggenheim it already had a good art collection at the Museo de Bellas Artes ( The Guggenheim is a successful publicity stunt, a masterpiece of merchandising; but the contents are nothing special.

    No amount of Guggenheim-building will compensate for the fact that most Irish houses have two floors, no cellar and archaic plumbing. And cost a fortune.

    • Deco


      The problem is not that enough money is thrown at the arts. In the itnernet era, I can access concerts, any form of presentation (recorded) of course). The problem is back to the Denver time model. Long commutes, suburban takeaways, etc… And an institutional state led by idiots that thinks that such activity can be taxed as a morality lesson, when the alternative does not exist.

      The four Dublin local authorities are led by morons. Sorry, but folks we elected them. And in many cases the media endorsed them. The rules on apartments are ridiculous.

      Likewise, the criminal justice system does NOT make the streets of Dublin safe. The gardai are disinterested, and most of them are “serving time” until they get posted to the suburbs or the regions, and after that waiting for pensions. We have a MoJ whose approach to every crisis is to produce a PR stunt that convinces the public that everything is grand.

      Alright, Lisbon moving up is a problem. And that should be of concern. But is there anything we can learn from Singapore, Zurich, Amsterdam, etc..? Is there any way that we can improve ?

    • mishco

      +1 and very often no bath!

  4. EugeneN

    If Ireland tried a Guggenheim there would be massive opposition, with much talk of wasteful resources etc. Which might well be genuine, as it probably would be wasteful and run over bidget. Then we wouldnt like it. The Spire barely got built and isnt liked in general ( although I like it).

    As for the creative classes, I develop apps because I was an old school objective C developer back in the day on the Mac. Although prior to getting a perm job I could make a living at it as a contractor, I couldnt make a living of it as a self employed developer. For all the downloads I got my income is about $100.

    The hollowing out of manufacturing is a huge mistake.

    • Sideshow Bob

      No EugeneN,

      Take a look around Dublin. The Guggenheim idea has already been applied.

      There are two fairly practical versions of the Guggenheim idea in Dublin, one is the Silicone Docks/IFSC and the other is at Temple Bar.

      It is not the art that is the draw for visitors ( temporary or more permanent ), that is one of the main lessons of the Guggenheim.

  5. Deco

    David, you are correct. But you are running square into an institutional state complex that has decided that the future of Ireland will decided by mortgaging the future to two (scandal-prine, dodgy) “pillar” banks. Plus loads of other oligopolies.

    Does Silicon Valley or Seattle, operate on the basis such nonsense ? The kick back in the US, against Wells Fargo, and it’s recent scandals indicates not. What Wells Fargo did was disgraceful. But it would fit in a quiet chapter in the history of D4 banking over the past two decades. Suddenly, the man that can do no wrong, Warren Buffet is hiding for reasosn of embarrassment.

    Money in Ireland is still controlled by two dodgy banks, and a grab all state complex that is the local garrison of an increasingly Prussian-structured, centralized Europe (without the military – but that will come later).

  6. Sideshow Bob

    David, your information on the “Guggenheim´´ effect as it is called is a good few years out of date and lacks a lot of context, too.

    Bilbao invited many famous architects to be-jewel the city around that time; I.M. Pei ( The Louvre Pyramid, Washington DC National Gallery ), Norman Foster ( The Gherkin, Stansted & Beijing Airports, The New Wembley,etc ), Renzo Piano ( The Pompdieu Center, The Shard, Potsdammer Platz ), and Calatrava ( the white bridge architect/engineer with those two new ones in Dublin, Oriente Station in Lisbon, City of Sciences in Valencia, Orly Airport Terminal, etc ), Cesar Pelli ( a global skyscraper architect ) and Alvaro Siza ( a more demure architect´s architect, not a star-architect; if you are by the sea there in Lisbon he did the Portuguese Pavilion for the expo in the late 1990s ) and some others I have forgotten. And the process continues with recent city additions at Mirabilla and the new Athletic Bilbao Stadium, which replaced on the same site, the vintage ( Highbury or Goodison park style ) intimidating football ground of this traditional proud football club. Basically, the local architects can´t get a look in on this lucrative and prestigious business!

    Bilbao needed to replace it´s declining heavy industry with other income, and realised it had some culture, food, etc but no sun ( compared to the rest of Spain, not us ) or nice museums, so it didn´t particularly stand out even as Spain goes, and definately not to in the context of Europe. Regionally, there are other places nearby ( within an hour which are strong tourist draws. San Sebastian is a very posh Spanish Brighton with a beautiful bays, old city center, city beaches, wonderful pintxos ( elaborated tapas) and wine. La Rioja ( Logroño )is also near Bilbao, just an hour away. Pamplona and its´running of the bulls and big internationally famous summer festival is further along the same road. Burgos, too with one of the greatest cathedrals in the world and possibly the greatest in Spain is an hour and a half in another direction. The oldest tourist trail in Christendom runs nearby( camiño Santiago ) with Santiago in Galicia at it´s end and many beautiful places along the way. Also the Cantabrian and Asturian coast and mountains of the Picos de Europa, not to mention the Pyrenees are nearby. There are lots of places, towns, food, wine, and things to enjoy. Basically, Bilbao had it´s work cut out to attract tourism.

    So the Guggenheim Museum is sort of the product of regional competition; it served to mark Bilbao out in the crowd and attract in particular international attention to the city. They realised that a modern art museum was an easy option to add to the city but not a real tourist draw so they created an icon to hold the art, so much so you go to see the building it´s setting and whether you interested in art or not barely notice what it holds. And this worked and still works a large degree.

    However when every other city in the region and in Spain could see that that had worked they too mustered the public funds to do so started copying the idea and building their own “Guggenheim´´ type projects and spectacular additions to the urban environment. This also followed on the relative success of Barcelona in the early 1990s in improving the city´s image using the investment brought in by the Olympic Games there and a boom in tourism. So across Spain and I think Portugal too the star architects mentioned above ( and others ) had a boom time over the next 15 years.

    Cities and autonomous regions used cheap credit to fund a wealth of overly expensive poor thought out but nicely executed white elephant projects across Iberia. There is only so much tourism and culture to go around you see and mostly they were just aping Bilbao, which isn´t creative at all. Dramatic architecture is expensive to make, and be faulty, too. Most of the cities I mentioned above got white elephant museums, cultural and conference centers. One of the most obvious examples was in Santiago where a hill was excavated and replaced by a cultural center that was eventually finished for twice the estimated price and recieves a fraction of the estimated visitors.

    Calatrava above, a signature designer, for example has been embroiled in lawsuits from all over Spain, as a result of various problems, excessive fees for little work, faulty structures and corruption has been mentioned in the Spanish media.

    So now you can go into the center of most decent sized Spanish cities and find very architecturally slick museums, cultural centers and the like, half empty in terms of content and more empty in terms of visitors, and revenue. And the Spanish people are paying for them, and will be paying for a long time to come!

  7. ciaranmg

    Dublin is a grubby imitation of London. Poorly run in every way… transport, housing, public facilities. If it weren’t a tax haven it would be on par with Detroit

    • Deco

      A large proportion of that which involves public organization under the command of the institutional state, is completed in an inefficient manner, failing any set of standards.

      The cliche response is “not enough resources” etc….

      Basically, the people are not being taxed enough.

      At this point in time, this argument has been played out, at length, to the limits of the ridiculous.

  8. Deco

    There is also the matter of quality in respect of artistic output.

    100 years ago, Ireland was one of the best locations in the English speaking world in terms of literary output. Since the introduction of Pravda-RTE, artistic output has pummelled. It dropped even further since changes to the curriculum under Cruiser. One Nobel Prize, and that was for somebody educated in the North, outside of the gombeen administration tendency.

    Also just wondering – where are the results of Ireland’s low tax rates for “artists” ? That is before we ask questions about the money spent of public sculpture, or event subsidies. A lot of public art is sheer rubbish. The public endures it, often ignoring it, and sometimes ridiculing it.The “Binge Syringe” is a prime example Rarely ever does the public ever get consulted.

    In fact, it seems to be a badge of honour, on the part of some people to deliberately ignore the public, and proceed with something expensive on the basis that the few in well connected positions in the institutional state.

    Basis infrastructure is inadequate. Blowing money on artistic output when the beneficiaries often do not pay tax is not something that can be indulged.

    The national debt is out of control. I suggest allowing the publci the option of decommissioning some art, and subsidies on the basis that perhaps the money might be better allocated to essential services.

    • Bamboo

      Great comments!!

      I think it is not about a screaming and kicking architecture anymore.
      There is no way Dublin can compete with architecture and what is the point anyway. The pompous constructions in other major cities all have been so outdated and pointless in a way. Besides it doesn’t suite or fit Dublin.

      Creative architecture is about the creation of accessible public amenities and the opening of space to all people and their pets. It’s about creating a breeding ground for more creativity. Architecture is changing from artistic creativity to common sense creativity.

      I believe that Dublin can still compete in so many ways. Dublin is unique because of the absence of a screaming, kicking and pompous architecture and the lack of infrastructures. Dublin should let the people do the creative work and not leave this to the established few “creative” thinkers.

    • coldblow

      Excellent Deco. Can I suggest a slight edit? ‘Blowing money on artistic output which has no artistic value is not something that can be indulged.’

      There are ‘creative’ writers such as Mannix Flynn teller of tall tales, in Aosdana and I read at the bottom of a heartfelt pc piece in the Sindo by Joseph O’Connor that he holds the Frank McCourt Chair for Creative Writing. Frank was creative in the true Irish tradition, finding his own individual, er, ‘truth’, in a creatively re-imagined Ireland where he could also settle scores with those who, long-dead, happened to cross him.

      • coldblow

        Here is Desmond Fennell on Ireland’s inability to think for itself creatively or to encourage its own creative thinkers.

        I think he has revised it since I last linked to it. I thought the old version used to refer to the obseesion here with childish or ‘idiot’ figures (Butcher Boy, The Bird in the film of The Field, for example). But he mentions McCourt in passing. Well worth a read.

    • Elena

      Deco, I’m an artist and was looking into public art as a means of actually being able to earn some sort of a living from my practice and found I couldn’t.

      Turns out you need insurance up to a million (or more), you need to have already undertaken a number of large public sculpture projects – which is a catch 22, you can’t actually get the work unless you’ve already done it. You also need to ensure engineering-wise that it won’t fall over and kill anyone, so have to hire someone to assess that aspect.

      This leaves architect’s firms and artists who have been doing this for years and have the experience under their belt. Everyone else is excluded. This means a vast number of people who might actually create something you might enjoy, just never get the chance to even present their ideas.

      The normal process is to talk to the community about what they’d like and then formulate the final idea based on their feedback. In practice, most of the community don’t even know that they have the option for their input and if the chosen artist produces say, ugly brutalist sculptures, all the feedback in the world they’ve given won’t stop the final product being in that line.

      I was told too that often art for new buildings is decided upon by the architect as part of the decision panel, as they want art that showcases their architecture – this is often abstract with clean lines to mirror their designs, but not necessarily visually interesting for those working/visiting the space.

      Finally, there is now a cap on the tax free artist deal of I think 40,000. I would say 99% of artists never ever see that in a year. Most make a loss. Most work full time jobs as people like you don’t value art, never go to art galleries and never purchase original art. So, it’s not like we’re all lolling around not paying tax having a grand old time of it.

      We still have to pay contributions from earnings on art if not tax. From our other full time job, we pay for art materials (have you seen the price of paints and canvas etc?), price of a studio (no cheap studios any more since the housing crisis), if we sell, we pay 30% – 50% on sales to a commercial gallery (who pay tax), those who pay for framing, have to shell out another huge amount for that, and this is just ‘standard painting’ try getting even a small bronze sculpture made and your eyes will roll in your head. What about transport costs to and from venues? Have you realised that most large exhibitions pay the curator, the people painting the walls, the staff behind the desk, but not the artist? Conceptual artists granted have less expenses, however are unlikely to ever sell, so rely on grants to keep working or just working in a job like you do.

      Art in essence for all but a select few, and particularly in this country, is an expensive hobby.

      This notion that we’re all somehow screwing the system is laughable. Relishing in ignorance and saying the arts are valueless and the money would be better spent elsewhere is just embarrassing. Both contemporary and classical art in the UK, in London in particular bring in millions to the economy. Only the Irish seem to think because they don’t value the arts so do everyone else. Not all other nations revel in their lack of knowledge and brag about it as if it’s something to be proud of. You should be supporting artists and creatives, your world would be a duller, less interesting place without us all. We’re also the people who design the apps you use, the t-shirt you wear, the tv shows you watch and so on.

      • Pie Squared

        Saddened by the reality of the artists way in Ireland Elena. As with many things, there’s a lot of talk but not enough coherent thinking or action.

        Just read a staggering book called Lost Ireland by William Derham. It’s largely photographic on Big House architecture lost to Ireland in the last century due to war, taxes, small mindedness and lack of strategic thinking. Literally hundreds of incredible old buildings were destroyed throughout Ireland. Surely many other dying buildings could still be rescued, used to rejuvenate, to right some wrongs of our troubled past…as schools, gardens, tourist attractions, artists retreats, places of rural gathering, summer schools, hubs of innovation, universities even?

        The arts need tax reform, joint private/public initiatives, an an Taisce with teeth using global crowd sourced funding, with an agenda of redemption, of using whatever assets this windswept island has for the betterment of all. Sponsor a building. Sponsor an artist. Reform. Redeem.

      • Deco

        Elena, I read your piece. Not every soccer player gets rich either. Many never make any money. If you are in a sector you have accept that there are winners and also-rans.

        The idea that public money can be used to provide a living for all artists, that all artists think they are entitled to, is very condesending to the public.

        The allegations that art brings money into the economy is dependent on that which is defined as “art”. A lot of public money has been spent on projects in Dublin, that are known to the public in derisory terms.

        Dublin’s “binge syringe” is not the “Mona Lisa”.

        “Relishing in ignorance and saying the arts are valueless and the money would be better spent elsewhere is just embarrassing.”

        That is a condescending remark. It is not embarrassing to call out the waste of public money on projects that are a waste of public money. It is civic duty.

        You have decided to use the term “ignorance”, against one who questions why public money should be spent on a project that is in your sector. This is arrogant.

        The public have a right to demand value for money. It is the public’s money. You are implying that the public should support artists, because the artists think they are worth it. This is ridiculous.

        “We’re also the people who design the apps you use, the t-shirt you wear, the tv shows you watch and so on.”.

        Apps are developed by software developers.

        I do have T-shirts. Some are plain, and some are souveniers. If artists make something of value, then the public will buy. It is the same as the maker of my samsung mobile phone, or toothpaste. Except the toothpaste manufacturer cannot demand that the public buy his product and shove it to the people.

        I don’t watch TV.

        I am not going to feel sorry for you, because that is not good for me, or you. You chose to be an artist. That is not a decision that the rest of the population made for you. It is a decision that you made for you. You have to accept the consequences, of your decision. You cannot expect other people to be cajoled into remaking your consequeces. You might feel more special than a car salesman on the Naas Road. And maybe you are. But you can you expect to get unwilling people to pay up their hard earned wages, for you because you think that you are a special category of person ?

        And if they say no, do you expect telling that they are an embarrasment to themselves, do you really expect them to take such an empty argument, as fact ?

        • Sideshow Bob


          “The idea that public money can be used to provide a living for all artists, that all artists think they are entitled to, is very condesending to the public.´´

          I call your attention to the following –

          • Deco

            That rule should be scrapped. The people do not have the money. State infrastructure cost over-runs are too common, as things stand. Complicating the tendering process, reduces transparency. And adding rules like this, complicates the entire commissioning process.

          • Sideshow Bob

            Hi Deco,

            In terms of operation it doesn´t work like that. The design team, it´s project management and delivery of the work is completely unaffected by the art element. It is completely isolated and does not form part of the tender. It is added afterwards and separately.

            In terms of expenditure and overruns it is not a logical argument to say that removing it would do any good. If you want to cut costs procure better maybe using different forms of contract or look at other issues that affect cost like; stop/start funding and ridiculously high tax and financial contribution requirements, overly complicated new public contracts, prohibitive planning, H & S. and building regulation problems and miscellaneous other issues for the now totally dysfunctional building industry. Cutting the art element out of public works won´t change problems in this regard. Plus, I bet the costs would simply expand to include the allocation for art. It would be human nature if this happened.

            Also beauty and artistic expression has a value, monetized or not, that is one of the points this article makes.

      • Sideshow Bob

        Perhaps people ( other artists ) were telling you all this to put you off? Less competition you know?

        It seems from the way you are writing that your looking into it was fairly limited. The scheme is called percent for art and means there is a 1% allocation of the budget of any state capital spend STRICTLY for a site specific permanent artwork. It is not just for sculpture, as you seem to see it as being. Here is an example of a small evocative art project in a primary school and a decision process that would contradict your (hearsay) version of the process.

        For a `creative´ you seem to have a very un-creative way of approaching the entire set of problems associated with getting working in this area. Maybe you should take a look at that!

        • Sideshow Bob


          The Government say between 2016-2021 there will be an expenditure of 27 billion euros on capital projects. That means if you were to apply the 1% rule there would be 270 million available for art.

          If the expenditure was just half of this it would top 130 million or 26 million a year. That isn´t exactly peanuts. Perhaps you should look again at this area.

          • Deco

            The government do not have any money. The merely have legal right to extract a share of the sweat of the people. And an entitlement to borrow, on the security of that right.

            The state likes exercising the right to extract. It also likes exercising the right to borrow.

            We have reached “peak moral pretence about state expenditure” in this society. We listen to an endless stream of advocacy demanding more usage of that right to tax the people.

            And it is now getting highly absurd.

            The entire racket is based on moral pretence. And the moral pretence hides an enormous amount of entitlement, and sheer immoral waste.

          • Sideshow Bob

            Yes Deco,

            Whatever monies envisaged to be `invested´ under the plan ( if it all happens, and that is a very big if ) will be in the form of PPPs ( PFI if you prefer ), which is essentially another mortgage against the collateral of the Irish public´s taxes. This is being generated in attempt to save FG´s political bacon and keep them in power.

  9. Truthist

    “The Grim Reaper of Debt” is ALLEGED to be always lurking in the background.
    So, to speak of “alleged ?” Debt should never be off-topic.
    And, who better to kick the auld can of the subject of Debt back to us than “Mr. Doom” Economist himself ;
    Nouriel Roubini
    I am a touch suspicious of high profile economist Nouriel Roubini.
    Roubini coined for economics use of the phrase ;
    “kicking the can down the road”.
    Deco is much given to reprising this phrase as Roubini meant Re ;
    “sovereign debt” situation in most western countries of 21st century
    It is argued by Roubini that “sovereign debt” must & should be paid back to the Banksters & whoever.
    But, perhaps there is really ZERO “sovereign debt” owing ? ;
    I will attend to that question in a forthcoming blog of DMW.
    Meanwhile, I came across the following in ;
    Incidentally, I am in disagreement with some of Aanirfan’s views on moral & political issues.
    Nonetheless, this site uncovers very useful info..
    “…In 2009, Nouriel Roubini hosted a party which was attended by :
    George Soros,
    Donald Trump,
    Oliver Stone. ,,,:
    Roubini hosted George Soros ; Hmm … mm !

  10. Truthist

    The fancy buildings of Europe & Russian Federation will reduced to just powder the way things are being directed by The Dreadful Few against these 2 territories that lie on either side of the Caucuses.

    • The US is used by the elites to go after any one or any country not controlled by the central banking system. The half dozen destroyed states already in terrorist hands, for example, are not enough.All had currency outside control of the elite banksters. Russian trade dealings with China on a bilateral exchange of currencies relegates the US dollar and Russia controls its own currency. Together china and Russia buy up the worlds gold supply as the rapidly prepare for a position of strength as the current fiat currencies collapse in value.

      This cannot be allowed so it s war with Russia to destroy the challenge to one world governance by the “Dreadful Few”. China may have something to say about that. But who really controls China is a question mark.

  11. hasbeen

    Why would we spend scarce resources on “The Arts” when we can not treat our sick or house our homeless? Our transport infrastructure is treated as a business not a service, our housing policy is controlled by landlords estate agents and developers and our country is run for the benefit of our mega rich and foreign vultures. We do not seem to mind as we keep voting for more of the same, change a few faces but policy remains the same. Policy has not really changed since the foundation of the state
    In your new Ireland what do you propose our hewers of wood and drawers of water do for a living. Automation and job displacement will wreak havoc on western society and has the potential to destroy our society from the inside, people who have nothing have nothing to lose.
    The Scandinavian model could have saved us but we put our faith in foreign direct investment -too many eggs in that basket- and have left it too late to turn around and anyway Irish businesses never looked beyond gouging the Irish customer so the Scandinavian model would not have worked here. Nothing wrong with the model, it just does not fit with our core beliefs. Facts, logic or common sense have no hope competing with core beliefs.

  12. Deco

    Is an investment a result of achievement, or a pre-requisite to achievement ?

    And concerning such investments, which are qualitative in terms of their result, and which amount to merely, a misallocation of hard earned public money ?

    A lot of what was spent on arts and sports was wasted, in recent years. Two massive stadia, empty 98% of the time, whilst public transport is delaing with underinvestment.

  13. AlfieMoone

    “Passoa is me, Fernando I will be” Andy Mooney. Lisbon. February 2016.

    “To pretend is to know oneself.” Cyril Connolly: Pessoa “hived off separate personalities like swarms of bees.”

    Andy Mooney was in Lisbon in February and again in April, also out on the Azores the night Prince died…..but anyway…..

    He would agree that Lisbon is the new emerging hub. Same time zone, frantically becoming Anglophone but, unbelievable, not realising they gave birth to the real prophet of Internet Existentialsim: Fernando Passoa. Andy tried to explain to people but…..too much!

    With a rational approach to opiate addiction and a cultural legacy as the oldest ally of Core Britannia, Andy was told many times in February that the imprisoned on the Iberian pensinsular were looking to the UK to smash the fuck out of ‘globalism by the rich, for the rich’….

    I’m typing this ‘nonsense’ in ‘the new Copenhagen’ which is emerging in the corridor to the sea from Islands Brygge. Bella Centre. Osterad. It is simply amazing to be in a visionary city that leaves Birmingham and Dublin in the rear view mirror, clouded by dust….and yet the Danes have no intention of giving up their language, unique culture to merge into the tiresome smorrebrod of multiculturalism….I’m tired, my aunt died yesterday, have to try to get to rural Ireland tomorrow….will return to this topic and why Dublin is dead….we look to Kobenhavn for the language we use….Dublin is dead….Birmingham is on life support….

    ps: everything i’ve done is based on Fernando…he is the genius that gave birth to my genius….cue Abba song…LOL!

    Fernando Pessoa & His Heteronyms
    You will never get to the bottom of Fernando Pessoa. There are too many of him.

  14. McCawber

    Ok ok okkk I get it.
    Techonomics not Robonomics.
    All the same you have to David Cameron.
    His Euro referendum has probably buried Labour for the foreseeable future.

  15. “For centuries, we all lived in the agricultural era when land, land ownership and the produce of the land determined wealth.

    Increase in human wealth came via breakthroughs in land productivity and innovations in cultivation.

    So finding new crops, new ways of growing them and new machines to increase the yield per acre determined the wealth of the region.”

    So, no matter what happens people have to eat. The modern food innovations have caused malnutrition and a world wide obesity problem.

    Land and agricultural production are more important than ever as less and less are employed in mass food production. However more and more people are returning to subsistence activities as they realize the only way to eat well is to grow your own food.

    Seeing this, industrialized food production is turning to organic practices. Now land acquisition for organics is a growth industry.

    There is something to be said for maximizing ones own domestic advantages. Return to your roots would be an apt description. What is it that Ireland does so well. Farming and tourism. Combine the two. A side benefit would be the best fed nation on earth as they used to be in the 18th century.

    • mishco

      Yes, and farming and tourism are closely linked. The less our farmers damage our landscape, the more will tourists still come to enjoy it. And not just tourists. Many MNC employees and conference attendees want to escape the city and unwind once they’ve clocked off work or done the socializing. A lot of them appreciate our great natural assets, above all our mountains and coastline. And many artists and writers prefer to live in seclusion outside Dublin in one of our numerous country hideaways.

      Of course we need our agro-industry too, for the meat and food products which are such a major export. But this should not be achieved at the expense of the natural assets, which have inspired some of our greatest writers, and continue to appeal to so many short- and long-term visitors.

  16. joe sod

    Lisbon is indeed a beautiful and happening city. It was at the centre of the age of discovery and the new world. It is surprising that it declined to its present state as an EU periphery country. There is no doubt that Lisbon and Portugal have huge potential, many portuguese professionals travelled to brazil and mozambique to work in their booming economies a few years ago. Portugal is still very influential country in its former african colonies with portuguese companies doing alot of trade in these countries. Maybe it is portugal and not UK that would have most to gain by breaking from the shackles of the EU.

    • Sideshow Bob

      The thing about ex-colonisers hanging around in ex-colonies, particularly if there was a bit of racism involved and there normally is in colonialism, is that as familiar as they may seem they often aren´t liked by the general populace and this makes trade and commerce a bit fraught.

      • Truthist

        Both very interesting observations.
        But, who exactly emanating from Portugal were :
        the “Portugese” Conquistidors ?
        the “Portuges” Colonisers ? ;
        Some colonisers from Portugal were benign.
        the “Portugese” Slave Merchants ?

        • Sideshow Bob

          There was nothing benign about Portuguese colonization of Brazil or the slave trade there.

          Brazil is a deeply racially stratified country, still, nearly 200 years since it separated from Portugal. It would be an enormous thing in Brazil for a person for colour to assume ANY senior office, even though say in comparison to the US the proportion of the population of African descent is huge. This is a shocking idea for what is a democratic country. It has enormous deep seated problems resulting from slavery and colonisation which is still hasn´t dealt with. The death rates for slaves were enormous for Brazil, 4 times higher than in the Caribbean or North America. The biggest number of slaves were taken there, simply to die from the conditions there. Indigenous tribes in Brazil were killed off with aplomb, too. Expeditions were sent out to murder them wholesale. The US has started to look at this repellent aspect of it´s history but in some locations in South America it is actually still concurring and nobody has even begun to take stock of the past.

          Right now, I would argue that there is a legacy in the politics of the Coronel (strongman), homicidal violence and the general cheapness that is attached to human life that persists to today in that huge country.

          The benign colonization theory is the product of British establishment historical apologists like Niall Ferguson and their need to feel good about British nationalism. It requires significant choice historical blindness and definitely dosen´t apply to the Portuguese in Brazil.

          For the African colonies, I think they weren´t a big thing. The Portuguese had trading posts dotted about the African coast and simply grabbed the land beside them after the Berlin Conference in 1885 when Africa was divided up by the European powers, and a long time after the loss of Brazil.

          The Portuguese weren´t a patch on the British in fairness.

          • Truthist

            hI Bob,


            I remember in my youth listening to a Historian by the name of Hennessy — I think — from Youghal, Co. Cork being interviewed as a historian with specialist knowledge about the age of colonisation.
            He rated the Belgians as the most brutal.
            Then the British or perhaps the Dutch.

            And, the least brutal — & atimes benign — were the Portugese.
            Many Portugese were accepting of marrying in with the locals.
            Likewise, the French.
            Bob, there were many players in the colonisation experience

            And, some elements that came through the coloniser’s processing, at least, were Catholic priests & brothers & nuns who actually were benign, & fondly remembered even today by the locals.
            Of course there were “bad ‘uns” among the “religious” ;
            And, it is now customary — if not obligatory — when mentioning Catholic religious to refer to miscreants.
            And, so I have.
            Deviance by foreigner ‘helpers” would be worse from the 1930′s on because of a range of factors.
            successful conspiracy to flood the Catholic Church with deviant & insincere recruits to be eventually members of the “religious”, & thus to fulfill the aim of seriously undermining the Catholic Church.
   search terms
            Bella Dodd AND Catholic Church
            In fact, I would think that most of the Catholic clergy are homosexual — & most of them being practising homosexuals too — today.
            This just 1 aspect where the Catholic Church is ad variance with itself.
            I rather think that today the whole gamut of foreign “helpers” — both male & female — would have very proportion sexual abusers ;
            Not, confined to religious at all.
            In fact, much worse I am told.
            We are living in the Age of Aquarious so it has been declard.
            I found a Henry Makow article in 1st page of results ;
            African-American Mr. Jonas Alexis of is an authority on the Slave Trade from Africa to the Americas
            Google search terms
            jonas alexis AND slavery

          • Sideshow Bob

            “Many Portugese were accepting of marrying in with the locals.
            Likewise, the French.´´

            How romanticized this is.

            These `locals´ were not usually locals (Indians) but slaves and obliging such women to have sex is more normally categorized as rape these days.

          • joe sod

            I dont think there is much point at this stage nearly a century after the end of colonisation to regurgitate the old arguments. The fact is that lisbon was a highly influential and outward looking city in the past. I dont think it is its destiny to remain a peripheral EU country. In fact I think the ambitions of other european countries cannot be contained within the EU.

          • Sideshow Bob

            Right there Joe Sod. What are you talking about?

            The African Colonies kicked the Portuguese out violently in the 1960s in the main that is 50 years ago. Brazil separated in the 1820s that is close on 200 hundred years ago. At least get your numbers right.

          • Truthist


            Don’t get me wrong ;
            Don’t think that I am for colonisation past present or future where there are peoples native.

            It is just that there were some positives.
            Even with the Brits here.

            Likewise, there are some positives with what the Civil SERPENTS do.

            By the way :
            Denmark was a coloniser in the tropics too.
            Germany was not overall brutal.
            The Germans did not extract much wealth from their possessions.
            And, often their presence was just post-offices.

            I am fully aware of colonisers raping / coercing / corrupting in sexual way slaves & locals.

            Essentially, I am not in disagreement with u.
            I am just highlighting particulars.

  17. coldblow

    David has mentioned this Richard Florida thesis before and I had my doubts. The internet is not short of criticism, for example:

    This article is quite funny, such as this bit, taking nearly at random:

    “This is the creative class who will be in attendance at the Creative Cities Summit. Culturally diverse and gay-friendly, I’m sure. But mostly rich…”

    Apparently he was getting $35k a night for pushing this.

  18. Pie Squared

    Love the sentiment David. Would prefer a bigger canvas to showcase that splash of creativity. A canvas bigger than Dublin. For all of Ireland to share. Really think we need to expand our horizons beyond the Pale and utilise the blank and sometimes invisible canvas we have in other parts of the country, in other wonderful spaces besides Dublin. Vibrant, artful, elegant, buzzing places, in stunning street, land and sea scapes. Waiting for that spark. Of Strategy. Places with real space and empty buildings and no traffic. Places where for three generations the best and brightest have left, only to question the leaving at a later stage, when it’s too late? Think of brand Ireland. Think Big. Think Synapses. Think of the whole being bigger than the component parts. Think Pie Squared. That’s what a successful digital strategy would really look like and enables. A canvas of digitised cities and towns and villages across Ireland. A canvas of light.

  19. “That’s what a successful digital strategy would really look like and enables. A canvas of digitised cities and towns and villages across Ireland. A canvas of light.”

    Broadband to every home in the nation.

  20. “The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities states and nation. At the head is a small group of banking houses generally referred to as ‘international bankers.’ This little coterie… run our government for their own selfish ends. It operates under cover of a self- created screen…[and] seizes…our executive officers… legislative bodies… schools… courts… newspapers and every agency created for the public protection.” … John F. Hylan

  21. “It is, after all, the Federal Reserve’s creation of money out of thin air that enables all of this fraudulent behavior in the first place, so why should the Fed remain untouchable?”

  22. Truthist

    Dear Alfie Moone / Andrew G. Mooney
    U say on September 25, 2016 at 11:01 pm
    “…I have fucked a lot of priests but only one of them was a rapist. …”
    What do u mean when u say that ?

    • AlfieMoone

      I mean exactly what I’ve written. The whole Maynooth Gadyar stuff was a joke. “Everybody knows” what most Catholic priests have got up to, but the cadre that was in Brum were totally off the rails, sent from Ireland if they got too rowdy. Conflating all sexually active priests as ‘paedophiles’ is an absurdity. The Catholic church only says priests can’t get married, procreate or pass on property. It says nothing about living the ‘high life on the Down Low’. Of course the confessional gives priests access to all the serious sexual Olympians in any parish so they were having a XXX Fr Ted whale of a time but, sadly, amidst the party boys there were a few serious criminals who had to be dealt with. Hebophiles are not paedophiles & the age of consent has moved from 21 to 16 in the UK over the last few decades. At 12 I could grow a beard in 3 days, was 6ft 2″ tall and passed as 18. It would hardly be fair to those priests lured into erotic bedlam to cast them alongside the few, rare freaks who ruined the scene. David Bowie finally got hip to where the real Outsiders were but 3 decades late….some of us knew all along….but it’s all over now that the congregation realise that the Babylonian phallus worship mystery cult infiltrated their precious ‘church’…which is good/bad/indifferent depending on your point of view. I trust this further clarification is helpful toyou ‘Truthist’. You could summarise it all by saying “The Devil Is A Lie”….

      Rick Ross – The Devil is A Lie (Explicit) ft. Jay Z

      • Truthist

        To use Bill Clinton parlance ;
        Are u saying that u had … with priests ?
        I consider ur assessment in above post to be very accurate on a lower level.
        Let’s not forget also that British occupation in Ireland also meant that there would have been much clandestine abuse of Irish boys by British adminsitration ;
        Especially by military men, & later also police men.
        And, so Irish society should contemplate have not the Garda — as continuation of R.I.C. — continued to recruit candidates that are very skilled at hiding their homosexual personas by just indulging themselves in practising sneakiness & sadism on many an unfortunate male citizen ?
        I think that today a majority of priests & nuns in many countries — especially the anglophile ones — have been sexually active whilst being in religious vocation.
        100 years ago ;
        Only a very small minority would be pedophiles [ with reference to broadest sense of the range of target ages [
        But, the pedophiles, as general category, were — in the main — prolific.

        • AlfieMoone

          I have actually stood in the dock of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth 11′s Crown Court in Birmingham and said:

          “I did not have sex with that priest!”

          It’s all on public record, all on the court transcript which I turned into a work of art with my oblique testimonies. That’s what real artists do, turn ‘reality’ into something they can abide with, not suffer under….the Judge thought I was both amazing and an total head-the-ball: exactly as I programmed him to do…he only realised I was writing another script at the end when I…..tbc…LOL!

          And, yes, I was totally channelling Bill Clinton but I was on so many drugs as a defence against perjury that I knew I’d get away with it….& he was a good guy so I decided not to throw him to the wolves as, by saving his arse from the Vatican cops in attendance, I knew he would be more useful as my prison bitch…’going forward’. And thus it has transpired. It’s a shame Bowie died so soon after realising where the real deal had been all along. I first met David in Birmingham when he was doing his Ziggy Stardust shows. Early 70s. I was 12 and no, I didn’t fuck him or even give let him Clintonise me….he wasn’t my type….& I didn’t like the look of those teeth…..LOL!

        • AlfieMoone

          ‘Let’s not forget also that British occupation in Ireland also meant that there would have been much clandestine abuse of Irish boys by British adminsitration ;
          Especially by military men, & later also police men.’

          I see their finally getting around to opening up the Tuam Baby Graves, should be *interesting*….

          Excavation to take place at former Tuam mother and baby home
          Updated / Sept. 30, 2016 22:10 [Source: RTE online]

          Blame The Brits is both your default response and underlying platform for existential sanity. It’s the typical Irish Victim Script. Whatever version of ‘rum, sodomy & the lash’ the Norman Toraigh West Brit Officer Class practised whilst working alongside their Norman English, Scottish & Welsh counterparts whilst under The Realm, the Irish Catholic Crypto-Fascist 1st Century of a fake Republic since 1916 certainly didn’t abandon it, but exceeded it in viciousness towards Irish kids…

          By the early 70s us British Shire Irish kids had Bolan & Bowie and all that priest guilt crap to abuse us just didnt’ work, so they had to ‘pay to play’…concert tickets, LPs, clothes, whilst the poor shamed lads in the boxing clubs just had to bend and spread…all very sad, the suicides & alcoholism…but i’ve avenged everyone, that’s why they all adore me, why I’m their hero & they recognise me as The Global Taoiseach even if they can’t yet proclaime me so in public because: WAGs…LOL!…

          “Little Andy never once gave it away
          Every cop & priest had to pay and pay
          A hustle here and a hustle there
          Birmingham’s the place where they said
          ‘Hey Fr, take a walk on the wild side’
          I said, ‘Hey PC, take a walk on the wild side’

          Lou Reed “Walk On The Wildside”


    David, these ideas were central to urban policy making in Dublin from about 2007 onwards. This built upon previous culture-led policy making, such as in Temple Bar. The international literature has been extremely critical of Florida’s ideas, with critics coming from both the ‘left’ (Jamie Peck) and the ‘right’ (Joel Kotkin). It is worth engaging with this work as the ‘creative class’ hypothosis is now nearly 15 years old and should not just be put across as though new and unproblematic. My own work (along with others) has examined and tested these ideas in the context of Dublin and is available in open access form here:

    • Sideshow Bob

      The idea of the forced creation of a creative class of city dweller is so funny. It is interesting though that your `creatives´ are IT specialists and the driver is the easy high income that is available to them in Dublin. By implication the fruits of their creation is not taxed fairly and profits are often off-shored. They are international and aren´t building anything in Dublin ( I mean does a Facebook or Google sign on the outside of a non-descript constitute a testament to this `creative´ culture. I would hold that a lot of IT `creatives´ are not actually `creatives´, they are opportunists selling the internet as the panacea for all to the gullible. Locally landlords and restaurants gain form this set, and the higher prices that they can pay ultimately push any other low-paid creatives out. You then have a mono-culture and any supposed benefits of cross-pollination clearly have to be lost in this situation.

      Creative districts that arose in Dublin before Temple Bar until the mid-1990s and Smithfield/Stoneybatter or backstreet locations in Dublin afterwards where driven by urban decay and low rents and sprung-up naturally, like a fungus. Kreuzberg in Berlin would be a famous example in another country. Let´s see how long more these mini-cultures last for.

      • Sideshow Bob

        Sorry double typo -

        ( I mean does a Facebook or Google sign on the outside of a nondescript office building constitute a testament to this `creative´ culture? ).

      • Truthist

        Workshops making “prototype” physical products would be true indicator of a real creative environment.

      • Deco

        There must be a state quango to achieve artist production.

        Filled with the usual collection of well connected insiders, political hacks, political party backers, and a PR noisemaker claiming the be knowledge on the subject (based on the number of times that the said individual gets to talk about the subject on the national propaganda quango).

        Statism is currently in fashion in Ireland, not because it is generating results, but because it is able to access resources and control the resources.

        An anti-meritocracy. With an arts sector that is concrete evidence of why the system is flawed.

        • Sideshow Bob

          Aosdána and other such posturing a***s. Lecturers in art or design courses in universities and colleges, etc, are in on this too…there are small minded cliques of course! It is generally human but particularly Irish. anybody interested in progressing on their merits f***s off early on.
          If you want to see true Irish creatives achieving things look to London at least, or further a field.

          • Truthist

            Ireland is a country laden with Intellectual Snobs & Inverted Snobs & Rich Posh Snobs.
            It is actually possible to be :
            Intellectual Snob + Rich Posh Snob
            It is not possible to be in combo with Inverted Snob ;
            Inverted Snob is exclusive.
            But, Inverted Snobs — “they hate u if u are clever & they despise a fool” — in recent decades increasingly in numbers “smile as they kill … so as to — be like the folks on the hill” ;
            Rich Posh Snobs.
            Irish Creatives have most to fear from :
            Intellectual Snobs
            Inverted Snobs
            Rich Posh Snobs can be harnessed by Irish Creatives if artfully handled.

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  25. Deco

    A big problem currently in Dublin is crime. And that means crime to pay for drugs. The drugs business is massive in Dublin.

    The legal profession includes many on cocaine themselves. And the profession does not want the problem tackled. Because the drugs business is the basis of much prosperity in the legal profession. Without all that cocaine, there would be less “legal events” to create “legal services demand”.

    Our lawyers are out of control. And it is threatening the prosperity of the entire society.

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  28. Deco

    The rise of the criminal classes. With the legal profession, having full participation.

    To the point that they now control Dublin.

  29. Deutschebank turned kings evidence in an inquiry about manipulation of the currency markets and the Libor rate.last year in exchange for a modest fine, as I recall. It was speculated that it would be isolated by the banking fraternity and hung out to dry.

    “The FCA said its enforcement activities were focused on those five plus Barclays, signaling it would not fine Deutsche Bank AG.”

    DB shares are now down 90-95% from 2008–and-the/

    Ireland needs an independent solid, honest, sound banking system. It cannot do it within the EU confines so will have to suck it up, grow a pair and get entrepreneurial about business in general. A Ryanair of banking one might say, would be a good start. HaHA, I am not holding my breath.

  30. McCawber

    The rise of the creative classes isvrequirement/precursor to Robotville

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  37. Truthist

    Main-Stream Media [ M.S.M. ] of Irish State are given to being “creative”.
    As are the M.S.M. of USA [ Fox, CNN, CBC etc ], & France 24 / Euronews [ Clever propaganda for E.U. ], & Al Jazerra, inter alia.
    “Let me ask you, Mr President, about another democracy that is having a very different kind of drama.
    You made some comments about the American Republican presumptive nominee, Donald Trump.
    You called him ‘brilliant,’ ‘outstanding,’ ‘talented.’
    These comments were reported around the world.
    I was wondering, what in him led you to that judgment, and do you still hold that judgment ?”

    “Well…you are well known in our country, not only as a host of a major TV corporation, but also as an intellectual.
    Why do you change the meaning of what I said ?
    The journalist in you is getting the better of the analyst.
    Look, what did I say ?
    I said in passing that Trump is a colorful personality.
    Is he not ?
    He is.
    I did not say anything else about him.
    But what I definitely note and what I definitely welcome – and I see nothing wrong about this, just the opposite – is that Mr Trump said that he is ready for the full-scale restoration of Russian-US relations.
    What is wrong with that? We all welcome this !
    Don’t you ?”

    • Grzegorz Kolodziej

      “Mr Trump said that he is ready for the full-scale restoration of Russian-US relations.”

      Donald Trump on Russia:

      “He’s not going into Ukraine, OK, just so you understand. He’s not going to go into Ukraine, all right?”

      with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos on “This Week.”

      On the Russian planes performing a “barrel-roll” over a US Air Force RC-135 reconnaissance plane in the Baltic Sea:

      “And if that doesn’t work out, I don’t know… at a certain point, when that sucker (he means Putin – G.K.) comes by, you gotta shoot”

      Mr Trump also said that President Obama betrayed Poland and the Czech Republic by withdrawing from G.W.Bush’s the anti-rocket shield plan which is true.

      I do not believe in any war with Russia. Russia is simply too insignificant for anyone to start any war with her, both militarily and economically (i.e. they struggle in Donbas despite President Putin admitting sending weapons and people there, and their trade with Germany was half of Germany’s trade with Poland, and that was before the sanctions); anyway, historically it was usually Russia starting wars anyway, i.e. in the history of Polish-Russian relations Poland invaded Russia twice and Russia invaded Poland 16 times; The Soviet Russia has also helped Hitler’s rise to power by illegally arming the Weimar-Republic Germany, and it started WWII by signing the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact and invading Poland on Sep 17, 1939.

      Russia is dying from alcoholism and it is even more demoralised and corrupt than despicable satanic witch Ms Clinton. Her orthodox church is corrupt and run by KGB. They are threatened by the Chinese taking over Siberia completely, which is what they have been slowly and surely doing anyway. At the moment they are in alliance with China, but it is an alliance of someone in jail allied with someone bigger telling him to pick up a soap. Even the Soviet Union could not really do anything if China did not want it (that’s why the USRR did not overthrow Gomulka in 1956, and that’s why they did not occypy Albania).

      Russia only does what China allows it too. China is ten times stronger than Russia. While war with Russia is unlikely, war with China is possible, but not necessarily energetic kind of war.

      Having said that, if Russia cares about peace so much and they do not want American bases in Poland, the Baltic states (which learned from their history what it means to be neutral with Russia) and Romania, why would not they remove all those f…g weapons (including nuclear) from their Kaliningrad enclave that they have been pouring into it since well before Maidan’s coup d’etat and the Arab springs (started by France, in case someone forgets or only listens to Russia Today)?

      Let’s make the whole region demilitarised, starting with Kaliningrad first – and make the Russkie return the wreckage of the Presidential plane that they have been illegally keeping since 2010.

      And yes, President Putin is far more intelligent and restrained than those CNN journalists. This tells more about the incredible extent of the collapse of education in the US (based on their disastrous results in PISA ratings) than about President Putin, and their best universities – which really ARE THE BEST universities in the world – have to rely on imports of high IQ immigrants, as they have been doing for the half the century – they even had to introduce ethnic quotas, otherwise hardly any Americans would get into the best universities, so dumb they have become (of course their real elites are smart, but at the end of the day, it is how dumb the society in general is that counts: democracy works reasonably well in Switzerland, not so much in some African countries, which were better off as colonies – South Africa comes to my mind, a country that went from being 4 times more rich than Poland to poorer than Poland in just 25 years, and in Zambia i.e. they even run the election campaign based on luring the British to come back).

      I did not get a chance to watch the debate yet. They say Ms Clinton won it, or rather that Mr Trump lost it – but I do not believe in what the media (regardless if Russian or the American, Democratic or the Republican) or even the opinion polls say; anyway, lots of people might want to vote for Mr Trump, but be ashamed to own up to it, so all those polls are to cock.

      • joe sod

        Gregorz, you mentioned something interesting at the end about democracy only working in some countries and not at all in Africa. What then of the future relationship between and Africa and europe. Of course any mention of anything like this brings out all the old arguments about how bad Europe was during the colonial period in order to close down the discussion. I made the point earlier that portugal has far more to offer the world than simply being an EU periphery country. Many portuguese people think that the EU is the problem because it maintains portugal in a sort of comfortable socialist slumber. This prevents portugal from making the big hard changes needed in order to kick start the country. We also have mismanaged corrupt and feckless african countries that have declined for decades.

        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          Hi Joe,

          I don’t know how it happened that I missed your comment. To put a long story short, I do not really buy that whole “colonialism of the white man” thing. Before I am snowed under the avalanche of outraged voices, let me explain what I mean.

          Yes, the West – by the West it should meant some countries, in particular England and France – are guilty of colonialism.
          But no, it is not specific to a white man as all empires had been doing it (and are doing it, like China now), and besides, the civilisation of the white man is the only one that came up with the guilt complex about it (i.e., neither Jews – the main traders of slaves – nor the local African monarchs who were selling their people – feel guilty about it in any shape of form.
          Besides, there were colonies where people enjoyed more freedoms than in non-occupied countries (i.e. Hong-Kong, Singapore – governed by an Irishman if I remember correctly, West Germany or Taiwan).

          So the West colonialised Africa and was draining its resources, ruling those people as if they were a cattle – this is best shown in that fantastic documentary:

          My answer to that is: so f…g what, excuse my French? So did Prussia, so did the Tsarist Russia, so did Germany under the Mittel-Europa/Grosser Raum plans, so did England with Ireland under Cromwell (they were also good West-British times…), so did literally every empire. It is time these nations in Africa grown up and stop putting ridiculous claims (btw, would the American blacks, sold by their brothers, been really better off had they stayed in Africa?).

          But but but – there is a but.
          The but is that the West does not want the African countries to be competitive (this was always pointed out by Pope John Paul II), so they introduce tariffs and run food-aid programs to make them dependent, and we should never forget that side.

          The problem is that out of all charities in the world, only Oxfam has noticed (and I am not sure if that’s their official stance) that CAP is aimed to eliminate the competition from Africa.

          And now the REAL question: why is none of those lefties protesting against CAP, the main reason for Africa’s poverty (these countries could have a booming agriculture). It makes me vomit when I am confronted with that either monumental hypocrisy or stupidity of those salmon socialists who cry about Africa while driving SUV’s and employ foreign baby-sitters for board, lodging and 50 euro a week – an amount they spend on one meal and talk about Africa, but at the same time support CAP in the interest of 2% and against the interest of the Irish consumer. Ass..les.

          “Many portuguese people think that the EU is the problem because it maintains portugal in a sort of comfortable socialist slumber.”

          The EU is the problem because it maintains CAP, and so is the US (US due to tariffs) and China (exploitation Cromwell-style).

          P.S. A curiosity. The most benign colonisation was not Portuguese. The most benign colonisation was Polish. In XVII century, Prince Jacob Kettler – an English immigrant to Poland – colonised Gambia. Imbued with Polish ideals of democracy (as I have written for Indo on Sat, Sep 24, Poland first in Europe introduced the no taxation without representation principle and the Magna Carta only applied to barons and was partly recalled in 1217), he and his Polish mates made all the natives of the conquered Gambia equal to them. Then the English outfoxed their own countryman and made Gambia a real colony. Conclusion: never trust the English if they can frame even their own citizens.

          P.S. II. There is an interesting colonial aspect to 1916. England wanted to take over Belgian colony in Africa (which was the worst of them all), so Germany and the US (Indian rubber baron) decided to outfox them do a sabotage and financed people like James Larkin. Of course, the 1916 Riser did not understand any of them, and as a result we have a monument of a whore Larkin in Dublin’s heart instead of people like Patrick Pearse.

          • joe sod

            Thanks for replying Gregorz, very interesting. Im not sure I agree with your CAP hypothesis being the main cause of Africas poverty. Afterall South american countries also have to deal with US and EU farmer support and subsidies. Yet South american countries are huge players in agricultural markets producing and exporting large volumes. South American countries were also colonised and faced similar issues to african countries . The same with india. If CAP was abandoned would zimbabwe re emerge as a global agricultural player, it wouldn’t.
            I am not as knowledgable on these issues as you are.
            Sometimes I just put out what I am thinking even if it is biased just to get feedback on whether I am talking rubbish or not

          • Grzegorz Kolodziej

            “Yet South american countries are huge players in agricultural markets producing and exporting large volumes.”

            In this confined space of Saturday it is impossible for me to give any meaningful answers; all I can do is to scatter around some clues

            - African countries have nothing comparable to NAFTA hovering over them; even though this only comprises of Mexico, it is part of South American trade/immigration chain

            - Colonisation in South America cannot be compared to that in Africa; besides, a lot of South American countries CONSIST of the very colonisers

            - Because they consist of colonisers from well-developed cultures, their starting point was totally different. Take as an example that even as late as WWII the great Polish writer Witold Gombrowicz, whose book “Transatlantyk” contains perhaps, beside “Third Policeman” and “Waiting for Godot”, the most sophisticated humour in all western literature, hesitated whether to emigrate to the US or to Argentina. He chose Argentina because even then these were countries of comparable wealth, and at the beginning of the 20th century Argentina was even richer (not to mention the influx of the Nazis after WWII with their technologies and stolen assets).
            The same goes for many other South American countries; actually most of them.

            Here is a link to a highly interesting article by Mr McWilliams on Urugway (it must be really good if I still remember it after 10 years!):


            - I was talking about CAP, because we are guilty of its existence by voting for parties who support it (that excludes me, by I am saying we as the EU members); but the US tariffs on Africa are even higher. For example their tariffs on textiles from Africa are over 200%.

            - in Africa’s case there are other factors too, but they are very not PC

            - a very important factor which I forgo to mention: everyone associates IMF with monetarism, based on their policies in the 90s countries like Poland; but very few people know that in its essence IMF epitomises Keynesism (M. Friedman wanted to do away with it) and that the IMF advisers in the 60s had been advising high-spending and high-taxation to all African countries they went into. Some countries ended up with marginal rates as high as 90%!

            - on India, a very good article:


            So, all in all, I can sum it up as follows: South American countries (like Argentina or even Brasil) are falling from A VERY HIGH level – unlike African countries.

            We nowadays are very much immersed in the “Now”. We lost the feeling for history and the awareness of passing. Wallowing in our indebted wealth, we think that western Europe will always be a region that is not-hungry.

            But, Europe’s wealth is only 700 years old, and western Europe’s wealth is only 500 years old (and it’s related to great geographic discoveries – i.e. in 15 century Poland was much richer than most parts of Germany, hence the immigration from Germany or Netherlands (funny thing, there are two German girls sitting at the table opposite to me and they have no clue I understand everything they are saying :-) – that wealth was related to the fact that the main trade routes were crossing the Meditteranean and the Ukraine, not the Atlantic (and Genoa/Venice were richer still).

            We are easy to forget how rich the South American countries were.

            And the quicker Europe abandons CAP, the less exposed it will be to a great global reset. By relying on subsidies to agriculture, countries like Poland or Ireland make themselves very exposed to crash.

            And here is where Africa or South America might take a revenge on us if central banks collapse: with their agriculture so much more cost-efficient (and frankly speaking healthier) than the EU, we would become slaves to them just for food as our agriculture will not be able to switch to a non-subsidiesed form quickly (and this is not even the EU – I have friends who worked in Norway and without cheap imported labout their heavily subsidised agriculture would totally collapse – oil-spoiled Norway produced a phenomenon – farm owners with no farming skills!).


          • joe sod

            thanks gregorz for your in depth reply. I get your point about south america not having the same colonial history as much of Africa. You made the point that a major reason was that the colonisers made it their home so made the countries work as independent self sustaining entities. Also in the case of Brazil it became independent by default when the son of the portuguese king now living in brazil broke the link with portugal.
            Then the question in relation to Africa is that surely they made huge mistakes by breaking their links completely with europe and making former colonies inhospitable to europeans. Now we have the situation where africans are fleeing their failed states for Europe. Surely we have to start to talk honestly and openly about this topic. I do not accept that it is european meddling in trade relations that is the fault for africas problems. Afterall it is hardly in Europes interests to have failed african states on its door step. Even if CAP was abolished those failed states would not be in a situation to to be agricultural players. Africans need to be honest and delve deep into their countries and find out the nitty gritty of why their states have failed. It cannot be the fashionable arguments about post colonialism and so forth, those arguments do not hold water anymore.

  38. Truthist

    Jonas Alexis must be one of the very best researchers & writers on history & politics around.
    Bio Blurb about Alexis Jones on
    Jonas E. Alexis graduated from Avon Park High School, studied mathematics and philosophy as an undergraduate at Palm Beach Atlantic University, and has a master’s degree in education from Grand Canyon University.

    Some of his main interests include the history of Christianity, U.S. foreign policy, the history of the Israel/Palestine conflict, and the history of ideas. He is the author of the new book ,Christianity & Rabbinic Judaism : A History of Conflict Between Christianity and Rabbinic Judaism from the first Century to the Twenty-first Century.

    He is currently teaching mathematics in South Korea.
    He plays soccer and basketball in his spare time.
    He is also a cyclist.
    He is currently writing a book tentatively titled Zionism and the West.
    Here is a stimulating article he has on
    Vladimir Putin to Fareed Zakaria [ Host of CNN ].
    “So, You Want to Debate Me Intellectually ?”
    By Jonas E. Alexis on June 24, 2016

    • Grzegorz Kolodziej

      “the history of the Israel/Palestine conflict, and the history of ideas. He is the author of the new book ,Christianity & Rabbinic Judaism : A History of Conflict Between Christianity and Rabbinic Judaism from the first Century to the Twenty-first Century”

      Regarding some of Mr Alex Jones’ guests and Zionism, I think you will l o v e this – I was laughing my head off (because of the content too, but primarily because of the brilliant way that 3min video was made):

      Btw, when was it last time that Mr Alex Jones said anything negative about Israel (I remember him saying after 9/11 that Mr Putin was in the world government, but never anything bad about Zionism); did that ever happen?

      • Truthist

        Understandable mistake by any person having to deal with multitude of data for info. to juxtapose Alexis Jones’s name to be that of currently more famous Alex Jones [ A.J. arguably a Disinfo. & Shill & Asset of The Dreadful Few at this stage ].
        I should have put in a reminder ;
        Jonas Alexis is not to be confused with Alex Jones

        NOT “Alex Jones”


        They are not the same person.

    • Truthist
      Excerpts :
      Starring and co-created by Patrick McGoohan, it combined spy fiction with elements of science fiction, allegory, and psychological drama.
      the show’s combination of 1960s countercultural themes and surrealistic setting had a far-reaching effect on science fiction/fantasy programming, and on popular culture in general.
      A major theme of the series is individualism, as represented by Number Six, versus collectivism, as represented by Number Two and the others in the Village. McGoohan stated that the series aimed to demonstrate a balance between the two points.
      The show was created while Patrick McGoohan and George Markstein were working on Danger Man (known as Secret Agent in the U.S.), an espionage show produced by Incorporated Television Company (also called ITC Entertainment). The exact details of who created which aspects of the show are disputed; majority opinion credits McGoohan as the sole creator of the series. However, a disputed co-creator status later was ascribed to Markstein after a series of fan interviews published in the 1980s. The show itself bears no “created by” credit.
      Some sources indicate McGoohan was the sole or primary creator of the show.
      Awards and honours
      The final episode, “Fall Out”, received a Hugo Award nomination for Best Dramatic Presentation in 1969, but lost out to 2001: A Space Odyssey.
      In 2002, the series won the Prometheus Hall of Fame Award.
      In 2004 and 2007, it was ranked No. 7 on TV Guide’s Top Cult Shows Ever.

  39. [...] The rise of the creative classes (DavidMCWilliams) [...]

    • Truthist

      Russia had no motive to down Polish government ;
      Especially in airplane flying over Russia.
      But, for sure Russia has carefully considered reason — now wise reason — not to return the wreckage ;
      Russia is mindful of USA’s Zbigniew Brzezinski hostile plans against Russia.
      Anyways, I thought u said u suspect not Mr. Putin but Poland’s own Mr. Tusk as the culprit ?

      • Grzegorz Kolodziej

        Hi Truthist,

        I’m a bit pressed on time…

        “Anyways, I thought u said u suspect not Mr. Putin but Poland’s own Mr. Tusk as the culprit ?”

        Well, let me get this straight once again.

        First of all, there are facts and there are hypotheses.

        The facts are: as of yet, Russia has not returned the wreckage of the plane, has obstructed the investigation, there was no international investigation, and Russia manipulated the content of the black boxes, which it also did not want to return. One of the most prominent expert from the airline catastrophies in the world, Mr Frank Taylor, said that moving and washing the wreckage of the plane by the Russian authorities contravenes all the air crash investigation proceedures (not to mention swapping the bodies of the victims – G.K.).


        So what does it actually prove (the facts above), my dear Truthist? IT PROVES WITHOUT A DOUBT MONUMENTALLY BAD WILL FROM RUSSIA’S SIDE IN MAKING A FAIR INVESTIGATION AND BAD WILL IN GENERAL (not returning the plane).

        So these were facts. Now the hypotheses.

        A question arises: if Russia WAS NOT GUILTY, would they not have done everything to make sure there is no shadow of the doubt in investigation (returning wreckage, not manipulating black boxes, calling for an international investigation)? Btw, shortly before the plane was technically inspected in Russia and they made some modifications to it.

        But here is what neither you nor anyone else on that website thought of:

        - what if there was no bomb, but Russia purposefully was dropping false flags to make people think that there was – in order to destabilise and divide the political scene in Poland (the latter – of course we cannot know or claim anything about Russian intelligence activities – was exactly what had happened)


        - what if there was a bomb, but it came from A DIFFERENT COUNTRY ALTHOGETHER (i.e. Germany), and they were blaming Russia to divert the attention?


        - what if it was Mr Donald Tusk who did it, in collusion with Russia?

        You see, you have to take all of that into account rather than a simple dichotomy:
        it was a catastrophy, there was no bomb, Mr Kaczynski has gone berserk and Russians are innocent OR Russia is guilty, they planted a bomb.

        It can be more complicated than that.

        Now, you are asking me who is my prime suspect (so which out of those scenarios is the most likely).
        I am not sure if it is safe for me to say, but can I say that I would gingerly incline to agree with the last sentence of yours? And who was Mr D.T. sponsored by in his political career?

        And btw, there is one thing you people TOTALLY DO NOT GET. There was no Polish AND Russian investigation, because THERE WAS NO POLISH INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, the main Polish investigator Mr Jerzy Miller is ON RECORD saying that these two reports – Russian and Polish – cannot differ.

        And, look at that photo of then Prime Minister Donald Tusk and President Putin IN SMOLENSK ON THE DAY AFTER THE CRASH:

        Of course, it does not prove anything
        but but but… WHAT DA F…K?

    • Truthist

      Yes ;
      Downed in pro-Russia rebel held territory, but downed by Ukrainian airforce fighter aircraft.
      Done to warmonger against Russia.
      I do not agree with u Grzegorz that The Dreadful Few are not determined to go to war with Russia.
      No country is “insignificant” militarly as a target for them now.
      And, Russia is at the top level in significance as a militarly target that must be taken down as a lesson to all.
      And, its huge natural resources means that Russia is an economic treasure ;
      Perhaps, the greatest natural resource treasure that any country has ;
      After all, it is the largest country in the world.

      • Original u-tube footage suggested the Malaysian aircraft was hit by two jets firing from both sides in an upwards trajectory from below and rear targeting the cockpit area. holes in the fuselage indicated cannon fire not a rocket which delivers shrapnel from above the target aircraft.

        There were reports of Ukrainian aircraft shadowing the passenger get for several minutes.

        It colour scheme was similar to the Russian presidential jet and suggestions were made that they thought they had the Russian president.

        • Grzegorz Kolodziej

          Dear Tony my friend,

          The “killing President Putin” hypothesis does not hold water for a simple reason:

          Publically available OWN Russian aviation sources Putin’s airplane never flies through Ukrainian airspace and the UKRAINIANS KNOW that.


  40. McCawber

    What is creativity.
    There can be a certain snobbery attached to creativty.
    The arty types that look down their noses – note chip on shoulder.
    But then there is real creativty, the kind of creativity that has lifted the human race out of the dark ages (yeah I know I know )
    These extremely creative people are generally referred to as “nerds”.
    (That’s speaking from personal experience btw hahaha)So it’s airheads and nerds – opposite sides of the same coin.
    The French actually teach their students “lateral thinking”.
    They called “conception” pronounced the french way (roughly con sep see on)
    The French think (I think they are right btw) that the anglo saxon has a natural talent for con sep see on.
    So yes we Irish anglo saxons are gifted with creativity.
    David is both right and wrong.
    We should encourage creativity but the key question is, what kinds of creativity and in what proportion.
    As an aside the single most creative thing you or any individual can do is SING.
    When you sing you use both sides of your brain, that’s when the brain is at it’s most powerful – brainstorming has the same effect.
    So maybe we should our kids to sing – a lot. Even our politicians might benefit.
    Less talk and more singing.

  41. Sideshow Bob

    Speaking of creatives leaving Ireland or cutting edge entrepreneurs here is an example for you.

    On this episode of The Keiser Report in the a part Irish startup in the Fintech area ( Adam – useful application of bitcoin here!!! ) has just ditched Ireland for London despite Brexit being on the horizon. the company is called Aidtech was born in the last 2 years and applies the efficiency of the blockcahin to the aid sector. There are huge savings to be made per annum for the sector from the development that Aidtech offers as the sector is notoriously inefficent and subject to fraud along the delivery chain. They say up to 400 billion dollars. That is simply ground breaking stuff that could the lives of millions. However, they have just legged from here for Brexit land! Why? would be a good question to ask…

    Perhaps there is more to a creative space for an indigenous (or international) creative (or entrepreneurial) class than extremely low tax rates for powerful multinational corporations and a few nicely illustrated ethereal policy objectives in a local city development plan!

  42. Create a new country. A worthwhile project. A template for the future?

  43. McCawber

    Blasket Islands????

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