April 14, 2016

EU's 'ghost revenue' rules could send Ireland back to the old Viking Empire

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The reality is that the Vikings were extraordinarily successful because they were an amazingly well-organised and highly centralised commercial entity.

At its zenith, their trading network stretched from the Black Sea to Iceland, revealing a sophisticated level of boardroom preparation, meticulous planning and mercantile reasoning behind their specific conquests, combined with a finely tuned degree of diplomacy which allowed their future leaders to learn in the great courts of Constantinople and Baghdad, before coming back to Scandinavia to rule the Vikings.

The reason I’m getting all Viking this morning is that I am writing from Oslo looking at a statue of perhaps the greatest Viking of them all: Harald Hardrada.

Harald eventually came a cropper at the Battle of Stamford Bridge, which (for Chelsea fans) was not an irrelevant, mid-table dogfight but a battle that marked the end of the western Viking Empire and the beginning of the new era of the Normans.

For me, the fascinating aspect of the Viking Empire was its economics. Dublin was a slave centre. Don’t be fooled by our history books: the Vikings didn’t come to Ireland to rob a few manuscripts from the monks. They came for one of the most valuable commodities of the Dark Ages, and that was slaves, particularly women and children. Ireland was full of them, typically undefended and easy to corral in Dublin for export. We know this because of the abundance of skeletal remains of people with our Celtic DNA found in Baghdad, modern day Iran, and around the Black Sea.

These poor wretches were transported from Ireland to Scandinavia, then through the Baltics and down the great rivers of Russia. They would have passed the huge Viking trading city of Kiev, in long ships navigating the Dnieper River towards the Black Sea and out to what is now Istanbul, where they were exchanged.

Other Irish slaves, probably originally from Wicklow, Kildare and Meath, were taken by the Vikings right down the Volga river to the Caspian Sea and down to what is now Iran but was then the great Kingdom of the Persians.

This traffic explains why deposits of coins from the ancient cities such as Baghdad and surrounding Arab empires have been found in Viking settlements in Scandinavia, York and, of course, Dublin.

In tandem with this trade, the Vikings had their own sophisticated monetary system of coinage – the first trademark of empire – and a highly efficient, centralised tax system. After all, what is the purpose of an empire if not to tax the subjects? And it was critical to tax them evenly, extracting an equal amount or proportion from all. The Vikings had this down to a tee. Not for the Vikings one part of the trading system going off on a solo run with its own tax policy. They wouldn’t stand for that.

Obviously, the reputation for ferocity and cruelty was a good marketing and branding tool. It brought your enemies to the table faster. The Vikings used this fear of crazed warriors, marauding up the rivers in their long-ships as a negotiating tactic – the implicit under the table threat – for distant parts of the empire that didn’t obey the central rules.

Stretched right across the known world, the Viking Empire didn’t last for 300 years because of constant war and volatility. Obviously, that’s not a recipe for longevity. Rather stability, diplomacy, agreement, peace and organisation are the recipes for durability. Most empires are run this way, which brings me to the modern European empire, known as the EU. All empires have their rules, and that’s probably why the detached Norwegians decided to stay firmly outside the EU. One of the rules is taxation. No empire can tolerate “beggar my neighbour” tax policies indefinitely.

Now the EU has Ireland’s corporate tax policy and tax regime in its sights.

Yesterday, the EU announced formally that it wants multinationals to undertake ‘country-by-country’ reporting, where they’d have to make public their revenues, profits and taxes paid in each country where they operate. This is a strike against Ireland. It is aimed at no other country. Let’s not cod ourselves otherwise. I’ll give you an example of what this is all about.

Take the case of Facebook in the UK. In 2014, it was revealed that Facebook, one of the richest companies in the world, paid just £4,327 in corporation tax. This ridiculous sum is less than a single British worker on an average salary of £26,500 (€33,000) would pay (£3,180 in income tax and £2,213 in national insurance contributions).

When you dig a bit deeper into the figures, Facebook suggested that it had British revenues of £105m (€131m). This is a company with global profits of $2.9bn (€2.5bn) and revenue of $12.5bn (€11bn).

Could it be plausible that operations in the fifth largest economy in the world, with a rich population of 65 million people and internet usage among the highest on the planet, could account for less than 1pc of Facebook’s global revenues?

The problem for Ireland is that the revenues were being diverted from England to Ireland. We were party to it by accepting what might be called ‘ghost revenues’. These are revenues booked in Ireland, which were not generated in Ireland.

Many years ago, this column coined the phrase ‘ghost estates’, referring to estates that were being built that would never be occupied. Now we have ghost revenues. These are revenues that are being booked here, but which could never have been generated here.

The EU wants to stamp this out by demanding this “country by country” rule. It is a game-changer for us because obviously our domestic market is tiny in comparison to the declared profits of multinationals operating here.

According to the US regulators, American multinationals generated profits (not turnover) of $100bn in Ireland. How much of this activity is generated abroad and funnelled through Ireland in the form of ghost revenues?

And if the EU comes after us, in the year that the British exit, will the case of Ireland in a much more French or much more continental EU be compelling? Could it be, like the battle of Stamford Bridge, the end of one era and the beginning of another?

Might we look to Norway rather than Berlin as our geo-political model for the next 30 years? Maybe the next 50 years for Ireland might not be one wedded to continental Europe but one in a loose gathering of nations that looks more like the old Atlantic Viking Empire of Ireland, Iceland, Norway, Denmark and Sweden – after all the Brits, the Danes and the Swedes have already opted out of the Euro and are semi-detached already.

Stranger things have happened.

 


  1. Colm MacDonncha

    I feel that Brexit will be the beginning of the end for the EU as we know it. The organisation that was formed to ensure that the apocalyptic disasters of 1914-18 and 1939-45 could never happen again was based on sound objectives, and focused on equality and democracy. We have watched the EEC morph from a community to a Union (EU),run by a bloated parasitical bureaucracy controlled by unaccountable faceless apparatchiks and incompetent,failed political hacks a la Phil Hogan. The monster has fed and fed voraciously for the last thirty or so years and is finally so morbidly obese and covered in its own foul excreta that it can no longer survive. The victims are finally starting to stand up to their slavemasters and hopefully the Fourth Reich is coming to a close.

    • Deco

      We have another continental wide imperial scheme that is fraying at the edges.

      I do not buy the sales pitch that we hear from the beneficiaries.

  2. Antaine

    Subscribe :-)

  3. Mike Lucey

    Subscribe!

    God knows where Adam is ;-)

  4. EugeneN

    “hen you dig a bit deeper into the figures, Facebook suggested that it had British revenues of £105m (€131m). This is a company with global profits of $2.9bn (€2.5bn) and revenue of $12.5bn (€11bn).”

    Because the IP and webservice is Irish. Most of the time the advertisers come to Facebook not the other way around. They log onto a website and load up their ads. The website and the IP are not in the UK.

  5. Pat Flannery

    A couple of points on today’s article:

    (1) The battle of Stamford Bridge has nothing to do with the Chelsea Football Club. The battle was fought on the river Derwent in Yorkshire. The similarity of the place names is purely coincidental.

    Regarding the defeated Scandinavians and the successful Norman French in conquering and ruling England it is a bit of a stretch to suggest that despite the Norman success at Hastings in Sussex on 14 October 1066, just a few weeks after the Scandinavian defeat at Stamford Bridge on 25th September 1066, that Britain is still more Scandinavian than Normand-French.

    It is like suggesting that the Irish are still more akin to Scandinavia than to mainland Europe despite Brain Boru having won the Battle of Clontarf in 1014. David will go to any length to justify British (and Irish) disassociation from continental Europe or anything French or German.

    I might remind him that if the French had succeeded in landing the Expédition d’Irlande at Bantry in 1796, he may now be speaking French. Instead of Liberté, Equalité, Fraternité we got the Act of Union in 1800, which he obviously still prefers.

    (2) In his efforts to glorify the great Scandinavian heritage David credits the Viking Empire’s slave trade with the now well-known DNA connection between Ireland and what was known in the ancient world as Scythia i.e. the greater Black Sea area. David claims ‘’We know this because of the abundance of skeletal remains of people with our Celtic DNA found in Baghdad, modern day Iran, and around the Black Sea.’’ I prefer Bob Quinn’s hypothesis: http://bit.ly/1SNIs2o. Bob believes it was the other way around.

    David finishes with ‘’Might we look to Norway rather than Berlin as our geo-political model for the next 30 years?’’. Really? I think therefore that a more appropriate title for this article might be: ‘British ghosts could send Ireland back to the old Viking Empire’. Let’s keep the old Vikings where they belong, as good entertainment on the telly.

    • Celts are a mix between the Summarians and the Scythians that formed around Ossetia in Caucasus Region and went to Ireland and other places .

      • Truthist

        John,

        When u were a young boy, were u ever told on at least a few occasions by different persons, & it independently so prompted by each, that we Irish are really Jews ?

        Aside from the very plausible reliability of only approx. 30-40 impartings of this knowledge from grandmother to subsequent grandchildren there is so much everyday evidence before each & everyone here in Ireland
        e.g.’s
        Surnames such as
        Keohane ; = Cohen
        Keown ; – Cohen
        Mc / Mac Keown ; = Cohen
        Ginnane
        Cogan ; = Kagan
        Goggin ; = Kagan
        Geoghan [ = Kagan
        Mc / Mac Caan ; = Kahn / Caan
        Sullivan ; = Soloman
        Mc / Mac Cain ; = Cain

        Also, the Patranyms "O'" & "Mc / Mac" were also a feature of Jewish tribes in parts of the Sahara

        Blue Eyes are noted of some Jews in deep biblical times.
        And, Blue Eyes all emanate from 1 event ; Genetically speaking.

        The various names given to Ireland :

        Scotia ;
        Name given to the country by Roman historians.
        Scota being the daughter of a Pharaoh who set sail for Ireland from Egypt originally with intermediatry stop in Spain

        Hibernia ;
        Another name given to Ireland by Roman historians.
        Hibero[s] being the fierce bloodthirsty ravaging raiders of the Lavant.
        Hibero also of course being equivalent to Hebrew.

        inter alia

        So, how did u do with that Link that was given to u in post to relatively recent article in which there is a random sample page from a Dictionary of ancient Phoenician per Malta giving practically word as identical with even modern day Irish ?

        • Pat Flannery

          Truthist: could you please post that Phoenician link for me again. I don’t remember seeing it.

          BTW I have a Persian friend who alerted me to dozens of words common to both Farsi and Irish together with several identical Irish seanfhocail and moral stories about life that are well known in Farsi.

          Maybe they are universal but the frequency and close identity in Farsi is compelling.

          • Truthist

            Pat,

            I tried this evening ahead of posting to John Allen ;
            But, to no avail.

            However, I will find it surely Pat.
            Just give me some time.
            I have trouble with computer presently.

            And, if it seems that I have forgotten, be sure to remind me.

            Regards,

          • Pat Flannery

            Thanks Truthist.

          • Truthist

            Pat,

            Please refer to the following post below from Peter, & my reply to him ;

            sravrannies
            April 14, 2016 at 10:05 pm

        • Scota was the daughter of a Pharaoh who married the Gaelic speaking king of Iberian territory that comprised modern Portugal and half of modern day Spain.

          The king was Mil Espaine or Milesius or the winner of a 1000 battles. He organised the expedition to Hibernia , the promised land seen from the tower of Brigantia.

          http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cnoelldunc/Ancient/Heremon/D1.htm

          Many members of the expedition were killed by the Tuatha de Danaan. The remnants made it back to Galicia. Revenge was sworn and the sons of Milesius mounted an invasion and became the Gaelic speaking conquerors of Ireland.

          The sons of Milesius were also the sons of Scota and in true Matriarchal style adopted the name of The sons of Scota or as known by the Romans, the Scotii.

          Later the Christian Monks of the Scotii took the name with them to the Pictish country of North Briton where the name became established but lost in Ireland itself.

          As an aside, the grandfather of Milesius was Breogan a noted king in his own right. A statue of King Breogan stands near the tower of Brigantia in A Coruna, Galicia. There is a street and square in Madrid named after King Breogan.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breog%C3%A1n

          So now you know who to pay your taxes to. All donations (no coercion ) gratefully received.

          • Truthist

            Tony,

            The 20th century’s most noted researcher Mr. Eustace Mullins from the U.S.A. — who emphasised that he not of Irish extraction himself — stressed that the Irish are the real Hebrews.
            He refers indeed to the Hebrews being the Hiberos ;
            The fierce raiding tribe of the Lavant / Middle East.

            Another comment by Mullins about the ancient Irish is that they were of independent mind ;
            Not given to consensus with each other.
            Freedom loving he said.
            Creative.

            “The Curse of Canaan” by Eustace Mullins.
            Apparently, available on internet for free as PDF download.

            https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=cr&ei=dD0QV9OAD4e1mwXqhoyQAw&fg=1#q=the+curse+of+Canaan+AND+eustace+mullins

            Eustace Mullins is also famous for his interviews ;
            Many available on youtube.

            He also wrote the book ;
            “Murder by Injection” ;
            An investigation & expose of the medical field.
            “… exposing the unholy dynasty of the big drug companies, the medical establishment, the Rockefeller syndicate and the evils …”
            It explains how Chemotherapy took hold as the “cure” for cancer.
            Mullins would be against the use of Chemotherapy.

            https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=cr&ei=dD0QV9OAD4e1mwXqhoyQAw&fg=1#q=murder+by+injection+AND+eustace+mullins

            And surely u are well acquainted with Mullins because he is the first person to investigate & write a book on the central banking scam ;
            “The Secrets of the Federal Reserve”.
            Available free on the internet as PDF file apparently.

            And, Griffin plagarised Mullins book ;
            Griffin’s “The Creature of Jekyl Island” is attributively an attempt to detract from the Banksters the real nature of their Scam / Conspiracy.
            And, it was also written so as to take from livelihood of Mullins.

            https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=cr&ei=dD0QV9OAD4e1mwXqhoyQAw&fg=1#q=the+secrets+of+the+federal+reserve+AND+eustace+mullins

        • Many Spanish Merchants settled in Galway area as this part of the country became a mini state-let of Spain and the Cladagh was originally Spanish . Jews lived in Spain too before they were expelled elsewhere and their names have mingled in Galway and those names are common in Spain and not always meaning to be a Jew .Coen is popular in Galway only so are others .

          • Truthist

            The Claddagh Ring of world renown as Irish is thought by some to be originally a Jewish design.

      • The Cladagh Ring …..was designed by an Irish Slave in Algeria who had been taken from the village of Baltimore with 200 others. He was lucky than most and learned the trade in making jewellery .He managed to return to Galway . See book the Raids on Baltimore

    • Truthist

      Essentially, Mike,
      the Irish are a spiritually conscious people
      the English are a materialistic conscious people
      the Scottish are a grievance conscious people ; Can u blame them with what they have had to endure under their garrison taskmaster Lairds ?
      the Welsh are a ….. conscious people ; I do not know yet 8-)

      We have been very distinct from the British up until only very recently.
      That we have become more materialistic & euro-trashy & americanized is no blessing.
      Doing so has not garnered for us the better sides of those other self-organising cultures.
      I would say that John Cleese & Co.’s mockery of Christ in the series of movies of which Life of Brian is one that would be sorely felt by humble & intelligent & educated Irish native of all centuries past since we being christianised ;
      A true Irish man would not indulge in disrespecting any of the other main religions either.
      Although, he should have a serious quibble with Moses & his band of merry men & women who went into a neighboring tribe to kill every man, woman, & child.
      And, GCHQ Cheltenham Warehouse & so loquacious in a special way Has-a-Bar-Ah..h sectarian replies from yonder don’t fool the likes of those from West Cork.
      This is not referring to u Mike though.
      We would not indulge in mocking people found starving at end of WW2 concentration camps.
      And, not forgetting that Christ was fast-tracked for crucifixion because he had whipped the Banksters for usury.
      Something that none of us has yet the courage of our convictions to do.
      Ain’t life ironic.

      By the way ;
      Ireland was targeted by the Vikings as proxy by the dreadful few enconsed down in Ukraine because we were the sole saviors of Christianity & classical Greek & Roman Scholasticism in dark ages Western Europe ;
      Aside from the Muslim Arabs of course who were busy translating the ancient Greek works they found into Arabic.

      I should be advocating that we can confidently go as ourselves only [ literally "Sinn Fein" ] ;
      But, with the likes of Messer’s Dame Edna & Me-hole [ recently described by another regular contributor here as "sinister" ] as imminent Taosigh, I would encourage that every young person adopt a personal 5 year plan of strict regular programme of high physical & mental & intellectual & virtuous training with aim of emigrating for ever from such a land clearly earmarked for diabolical suffering.

      John Kelly, T.D. of the aul Blue Shirts / Fine Gael was correct before in one of his maverick communications for benefit of the nation ;
      “leave Ireland while u can.” said Kelly basically.

  6. Mike Lucey

    The possibility of Ireland looking away from Berlin and towards a European Western Seaboard Group might not be a bad thing if and only if we opt for it with some planed strategy rather than stumbling into it like confused sheep.

    Partnering with Norway would work well when it comes to Ireland developing its OWN oil and
    gas industry.

    Looking at our current leadership would suggest the latter course but this doesn’t have to be the case if Ireland adopts and embraces direct democracy and actually require its citizens to continue thinking for themselves all the time rather than once every 4 years.

    The upside is that we would come out of the EU nine times larger area-wise https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiIiMzA8I3MAhUFZQ8KHakTDZcQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marine.ie%2FHome%2Fsite-area%2Firelands-marine-resource%2Freal-map-ireland&psig=AFQjCNFxkq2-kJLJqixBf7_Ua_9Xw-wJWA&ust=1460714714553824 than we went in with the ability to develop a sustainable marine based industry that would better fill any gap left from possibly loosing the fiddled corp taxes from the Apples, Facebooks and Paypals.

    I very much doubt we would loose these multinationals to other countries with the exception of the UK as they like to locate in fully English speaking areas.

    • There’s no strategy Mike, you’re right.

      There never will be, not with the criminals in charge of Ireland and the numbskulls who continue to elect them, time after time after time.

      There never is a strategy when it comes to Ireland – it’s all made up on the hoof and dependent on who is lining whose pocket or licking whose arse.

      • Mike Lucey

        Adam, I think that it might not be a totally lost cause. Over the past 6 or 7 years since we hit rock bottom I see more a more folks trying to figure things out for themselves. They are getting their information from the Net and the likes of Facebook in particular for young people. Gaining knowledge while being entertained is a great way the learn and get a message across.

        The Net and the alternative view points is putting the fear of God into the elites. They have been trying to do something about this, take RT for example but the more they try to shut things down the more folks check them out.

        All a person can do is hammer away with suggestions and hope that some of them might stick or at least put folks thinking for themselves. It looks like this might be happening in the US with this new ‘Democracy Spring’ movement. http://www.democracyspring.org/the_campaign

        While I have read that there might be a hidden agenda by the organisers / benefactors nevertheless it at least put folks thinking about their sheepishness.

        It will take some time but I think we will have a very different ‘peoples power’ World in twenty or thirty years time but alas I doubt I will be there to see it but glad in the thought that my kids and grandkids might.

        • Hi Mike, okay fair enough, I appreciate your optimism. I’m actually a VERY optimistic person myself, glass is always half full and I’d be optimistic for Ireland and the rest of the world over the longer term too.

          Right now though I think Ireland is run by a shower of crooks and charlatans – they should all be strung up – I’m serious about that – I’d gladly volunteer to be the executioner.

      • Truthist

        Agree 100 %
        Absolutely marvelous passage.

  7. Pat Flannery

    Today David has chosen to highlight the undoubted anomaly of what he calls ‘ghost revenues’ rather than analyse the more important issues that will be decisive in the event of a Brexit. Foremost among those important issues is the future of Ireland’s massive exports of subsidized agricultural products to Britain after a Brexit.

    In this article he implies that somehow Ireland is robbing England of tax revenue. He wrote “the problem for Ireland is that the revenues were being diverted from England to Ireland. We were party to it by accepting what might be called ‘ghost revenues’.”

    Even a Brit would blush at such a one-sided argument. Here’s why.

    The best argument put forward by pro-Brexit propagandists like Boris Johnson is that the EU Common Agriculture Policy (CAP) results in a net deficit for Britain of something in the region of £4 billion. I would like David, as a professional economist, to analyse this important area and educate us as to the real numbers involved.

    Will Britain be allowed to continue to receive these many £billions worth of EU-subsidized Irish farm products at the old price? I doubt it. Yet the Brexit crowd confidently predict that Britain will be able to negotiate trade deals with the EU that will leave Irish agricultural prices as they are.

    The British people have become so accustomed to enjoying cheap food from Ireland for four centuries that they have forgotten that it is not a given. The above £4 billion ‘savings benefit’ will soon disappear when Britain starts to pay full price for Irish food! Plus it will have to compensate its own farmers for the loss of current EU subsidies.

    It is time British and Irish economists like David started writing as responsible professionals, instead of abusing their trusted status by waving the Union Jack and singing ‘Rule Britannia’ to a gullible public. They should rise above (what their editors implicitly probably want them to be) mere gossip columnists. This is serious stuff.

  8. Language of Discourse

    ……..has not been selected that will result in a meaningful discussion and conclusion . The words used in this article are outside the orbit of dialogue and would be similar to loose debris floating everywhere and nowhere at the same time. This article is dangerous and damaging academically and obtuse and obfuscating . Tax as a word is not even understood by their own professionals because no one I know as members has ever been able to do so when asked.

    • The real problem today is that nobody can define the word tax .Everyone think they know and what they say limits the opportunity to make it work.Pragmatism is not the answer on its own .Something more profound shows the light .

      • The Battle of Space

        This is the only relevant battle and has begun in earnest . It has relegated Trinity College Dublin et all to second division (non runner ) .Instead the collective dormitories of Cambridge & Eton & Trinity ( UK ) are being pursued by the elite bureaucracy of Code Napoleon masquerading as the Enarchy of Charlemagne .No doubt UK will be left with their tails between their legs and pushed out rather than leave with success .Foresight and hindsight will as usual tell different stories to the sundry.

        • This article is so damaging that it tells the punter ( reader ) to attend the wrong race event to place their bets on the wrong horses to win nothing.

          • Should UK remain in EU then that is the end of the English language as we know it and the end of the ‘capital I’ as always used and the collective dormitories above will become Lycee Francais and Kent will become annexed to France with Bob Geldof as the Seigneur absentia ( away at concerts) . Michel Houellebecq will arrive to London and espouse liberté liberté liberté .

  9. jpuddleduck

    Let’s face it if Britain left Europe it would make a lot of sense to join the UK again. Reunite the island, keep a devolved government, decide our own tax rates and become united with our closest trading partner. Transdev could also employ some of the Nottingham tram drivers to run the Luas on a more reasonable salary of £20k.

  10. michaelcoughlan

    Hi,

    The vikings were good at plundering silver and gold. So it seems are the latter day nordics in Deutsche bank;

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-14/case-closed-deutsche-bank-confirms-silver-market-manipulation-legal-settlement-agree

  11. Deco

    Almost 160 TDs in the Dail.

    And there are barely 16 that are serious about forming a government. Most of them are Independents.

    There are two csategories of useless.

    1) Useless, but pretending to be serious.

    2) Useless, but pretending to be outraged (at anybody else who tries to be serious).

    FF+FG+LP+SF are useless in two different categories.

    The only ones that are serious are adrift of a majority of TDs.

    We have a minority of serious politicians in the Dail.

    The same Trot/once slightly Stalinist collection of tools are wrecking havoc in DCC, doing all they can to cause a homelessness crisis, with their utterly stupid building codes.

    But the real insight, currently is the silence.

    SF, the various Trots, and leftist loose ends are silent.

    Without anybody in power, they really have nothing to do. It is not that they need to be in power. They need somebody else to be in power so that they can engage in the usually empty talk.

    How did such a bunch of comical, utterly useless, megaphone driven morons get such high numbers in the Dail ?

    Sorry, but the size of the two useless elements in the Dail is a serious indictment against large sections of the electorate of this country.

    It should also be noted that the media are very soft on the wide variety of uselessness in the current Dail.

    • Truthist

      Marvelously perceptive Deco.

      “SF, the various Trots, & leftist loose ends” are the Trotsyites.

      “Fianna Fail, Fianna Gael, & Labour Party” are the Stalinists.

      Of course, most of the above are millionaires when assets & monies are examined.

      Collectively, the high orders come from foreign shores ;
      The Communist internationale / E.U. / E.C.B. / Sud’s Trilateral Commission / IMF ; But, the Boss of Bosses is The Roths
      Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863.
      “Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes it’s laws” — Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

      Ultimately ;
      It is not about the Money.
      It is not about Power.
      It is about Control of u, me, & everyone.

      • Deco

        Correct.

        All about control. The state is a mechanism to achieve control. The tax system is a means of control of the populace. Keep the working people down.

        • Truthist

          Yes again ;

          “The Tax system is a means of control of the populace.”

          I have been promoting the fact that Income Tax is a means for the Central Banks to enforce the populace to use the unbacked by Gold Paper Fiat which is produced by commercial banks from thin air.
          The commercial banks can do this to the multiple of 40, or so, times the amount of currency that the commercial bank has as deposits from savers ;
          The central bank gives licenses to commercial banks to do this.
          It is inventing money from thin air so to speak.
          This trick is called Fractional Reserve Banking.
          And, interest is charged on the loans.
          So, logically speaking it is IMPOSSIBLE for ALL loans to be paid back ;
          All the monies in circulation originate as Principals on loan.
          Therefore, there is at max only enough to pay back all the Principals ever loaned out.
          That is why the commercial banks destroy the physical interest that was in total paid to clear the loan.
          And, economics-wise, the whole of the loans in the economy can never be paid back.
          But, the banks do not mind.
          Because they had the opportunity to be paid back a great many of the 40, or so, loans that they loaned out from thin air.
          And, here is perhaps an even sicker fact, they know that the system means that they will be repossessing some of the assets that were mortgaged, & also some of the assets that were given as guarantees, because the whole scheme unavoidably through its logic produces failing loans.
          Successful loans or failed loans, the commercial bank should not really mind because they always profit.
          But, the whole scheme means that eventually, or cyclically because the Fractional Reserve Banking “Scam” is in continuous use in the economy, an unavoidable minimum of borrowers lose & also presumingly an unavoidable minimum of guarantors of loans lose.
          The whole Fractional Banking Scheme is a Ponzi Scheme.

          But, I did not think about the whole tax system as essentially being a control mechanism until u just said it.

          Thank u again for ur crystal clear insight.

          I believe that the blog is now gaining a momentum of insight that will do a great justice to the country.
          And this despite matters actually getting worse on the ground ;
          Well, … for increasingly more of those not in the loop of the Institutional State of the Irish State [ I.S.I.S. ].

          We will win if we keep it up.
          The truth is our weapon.

        • Truthist

          Sorry that I forgot to clarify why Income Tax specifically is about control.

          Well, the Fractional Reserve Banking system is a means through which people get loans.
          So, that in itself means that it controls the borrowers.
          But, the whole scheme is so common that it controls more than just the borrowers ;
          It controls the economy.
          And, on top of that, it is a Ponzi Scheme.
          So, it has diabolical control of the economy.

          The government are compelled by the Puppet Masters — the International Bank of Settlements [ Really, the Rothschilds ] to in turn force the populace to support the Fractional Reserve System even if they are not borrowers ;
          By forcing the populace to pay Income Tax specifically, the populace must get their hands on the currency loaned out into the economy by Fractional Reserve Banking so as to pay the Income Tax.
          This currency is the Legal Tender for to pay Income Tax, & also to pay any other debts.

          If there was no Income Tax, the populace could more effectively boycott using the Fractional Reserve Banking issued currency, & the V.A.T. system, & the Excise system, & instead use an alternative currency in the “GREY” economy [ as against the BLACK economy of what the professional class charge clients, the civil service suffer on the other citizens, & of course what the Banksters racketeer with Fractional Reserve Banking ] if u will indulge the term. 8-)

          If the poor campaigned for NO Income Tax to be paid by the Rich ;
          ==> the poor should NOT have to pay Income Tax.

          Then u would witness an almighty clamour by they on the make & on the take of the upper class campaigning for the rich to pay Income Tax.
          Of course, these rich are the local garrison commanders.
          “Castle Catholics” 8-) in Irish context.
          They would be campaigning so because the Puppet Masters would soon explain to them that their cozy shop rich life over us would come asunder unless the populace is forced to pay Income Tax so as to assure the use of Fractional Reserve Banking.
          Without participation in Fractional Reserve Banking somehow, u cannot get ur hands on the legal tender to pay the Income Tax otherwise.

          • Income tax is required to pay the interest charged on the debt based money.
            The charging of interest on the use of currency is the big scam (or a major part) without the interest charged on the money there would be no requirement to have any income taxes at all as other taxes would be sufficient to run government.
            If the money were not loaned into existence there would be no national debt. with no national debt and no interest to pay then the government budget would be in surplus. Thus taxes could be removed and the economy free to act without restraint.

            It is a fact that the monopoly cartel of central banking money, issued as a debt, on which interest is charged, must be destroyed. It must be replaced with debt free money that charges no interest or we are doomed to perpetual economic and real serfdom. This is the only route to freedom of mankind from the clutches of the bankster fraternity.

            Fractional reserve banking has nothing to do with this and is a different subject and a second issue. It is nothing to do with cartel monopoly banking as currently practiced.

          • Truthist

            Tony,

            I did not include in my argument the loans with interest payable given to government directly by the International Banksters.
            I could elaborate more & explain that for the government to pay back the loan & the interest, they resort to imposing on those in jobs [ employers ( except the government as employer ) & employees ] to pay income tax.
            And, this obliges more use of the monies issued into the economy by Fractional Reserve Banking.

            I believe that u are wrong to refute what I have said above when u say ;

            “Fractional reserve banking has nothing to do with this.
            It is a different subject and a second issue.
            It is nothing to do with cartel monopoly banking as currently practiced.

            Fractional Reserve Banking is often how the International Banksters loans are then directed by the government.
            The government has other options for using monies it wishes to borrow from the Rothschilds
            e.g.
            pay off existing debts of loans & interest
            purchase goods & / or services from other country, company etc.
            But, to issue more currency directly into the economy — & the funds sourced from the Rothschilds — it must allow the local Central Bank to allow the commercial banks to resume lending to borrowers ;
            And, the commercial banks using Fractional Reserve Banking to do so.

    • McCawber

      If you do seven years “service” in the Dail you get a pension.
      Bloody sure the 15 independents want a government. Not to mention the monthly pay cheque.
      Jaysus mate you surely aren’t buying their shyte.are you?

      • Yeah they should call another election so you can vote Fine Gael back in Mr. McCawber – that’ll sort out the country – safe pair of hands to steady the ship.

        • McCawber

          The ship is steady, it’s the socialist gobshites who are rocking the boat because they don’t know any better.

  12. Ghosts from the past.

    Phoenicians, Gaels, Brigantes, Breoghan, Ireland.
    http://www.libraryireland.com/Pedigrees1/milesian-irish-nation.php

    “According to Mariana and other Spanish historians, the “Brigantes” (a people so called after Breoghan, or Brigus, the grandfather of Milesius of Spain), were some of the Brigas or Phrygians of Asia Minor; and were the same people as the ancient Trojans! Brigus sent a colony from Spain into Britain; and many of the descendants of that Gaelic colony, who settled in England and in Ireland since the English Invasion, are erroneously considered as of Anglo-Saxon, or Anglo-Norman descent.

    Brigantia (now Corunna), a city in Galicia (where the Gaels settled), in the north of Spain, was founded by that Breoghan or Brigus; and from Brigantia the Brigantes came to Ireland with the Milesians. According to Ptolemy’s Map of Ancient Ireland, the Brigantes inhabited the territories in Leinster and Munster, now forming the counties of Wexford, Waterford, Tipperary, Kilkenny, Carlow, and Queen’s County; and the native Irish of these territories, descended from the Brigantes, were, up to a recent period, remarkable for their tall or gigantic stature.

    • Extracted
      “”It does not appear improbable, much less absurd, to suppose that the Phoenicians might have colonized Ireland at an early period, and introduced their laws, customs, and knowledge, with a comparatively high state of civilization; and that these might have been gradually lost amidst the disturbances of the country, and at last completely destroyed by the irruptions of the Ostmen” (or Danes).”

    • Truthist

      Thanks Peter / Sravrannies.

      Similar but not it I think.

      Anyway, the Phoenicians would have been raiding & trading with places up along the western shores of Europe.

  13. Truthist

    No Red Hair in Ireland until the Vikings came.

    The Irish were a black haired blue-eyed people almost to the man.

    The men in the main were ruddy in facial complexion.
    The women were very white & / or pink in facial complexion.

    Also, remarkable is the sometimes oriental [ Chinese ; But, without a particular slanting Chinese eyes ] look of Irish women.

    Other matters to note :

    Star of David is meant to have originated in Irish civilisation.
    Likewise, the Ying-Yang symbol originates from the Irish.

    Ancient Irish were not into forming cities ; Not even towns.

  14. Truthist

    Tony,

    The 20th century’s most noted researcher Mr. Eustace Mullins from the U.S.A. — who emphasised that he not of Irish extraction himself — stressed that the Irish are the real Hebrews.
    He refers indeed to the Hebrews being the Hiberos ;
    The fierce raiding tribe of the Lavant / Middle East.

    Another comment by Mullins about the ancient Irish is that they were of independent mind ;
    Not given to consensus with each other.
    Freedom loving he said.
    Creative.

    “The Curse of Canaan” by Eustace Mullins.
    Apparently, available on internet for free as PDF download.

    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=cr&ei=dD0QV9OAD4e1mwXqhoyQAw&fg=1#q=the+curse+of+Canaan+AND+eustace+mullins

    Eustace Mullins is also famous for his interviews ;
    Many available on youtube.

    He also wrote the book ;
    “Murder by Injection” ;
    An investigation & expose of the medical field.
    “… exposing the unholy dynasty of the big drug companies, the medical establishment, the Rockefeller syndicate and the evils …”
    It explains how Chemotherapy took hold as the “cure” for cancer.
    Mullins would be against the use of Chemotherapy.

    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=cr&ei=dD0QV9OAD4e1mwXqhoyQAw&fg=1#q=murder+by+injection+AND+eustace+mullins

    And surely u are well acquainted with Mullins because he is the first person to investigate & write a book on the central banking scam ;
    “The Secrets of the Federal Reserve”.
    Available free on the internet as PDF file apparently.

    And, Griffin plagarised Mullins book ;
    Griffin’s “The Creature of Jekyl Island” is attributively an attempt to detract from the Banksters the real nature of their Scam / Conspiracy.
    And, it was also written so as to take from livelihood of Mullins.

    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=cr&ei=dD0QV9OAD4e1mwXqhoyQAw&fg=1#q=the+secrets+of+the+federal+reserve+AND+eustace+mullins

    • Truthist

      Sorry for double posting of this comment.

      Computer acting up on me.

      Comment placed at this location is choicest though.

  15. The Norse have endowed us with the idea of elections and democracy.
    Back in Pagan times the Thing or Parliament was a structure where the freemen elected their leaders. Saxon kings were elected also although in Britain of 1066 Harold Godwinson rather took the crown than was elected. The had a clim to the crown through family connections.
    however his brother earl of Northumbria, Tostig Godwinson was , as we say, pissi that his brother one out.

    That was why Harold Olafson or Harold Haardraada (Wise in council),King of Norway and Sweden, undefeated in battle was cajoled to invade England by Earl Tostig on the strength of a tenuous clam to the English crown via a connection to Canute, King of Denmark and England 150 years or so earlier..

    The rest is history and duly noted. Saxon Harold camped out on the South Down was waiting for the coming invasion of William of Normandy, himself of Norse decent being grandson of R0ll0 the Norseman.

    While Harold waited news came that Pictish Scotland was invaded and the Norse were advancing South. Harold marched the Saxon army 250 miles north in 5 days and attacked and defeated the Norse Harold at the Battle of Stanford Bridge, Yorkshire.
    http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryMagazine/DestinationsUK/The-Battle-of-Stamford-Bridge/

    While Saxon Harold was occupied William the Norseman (French speaking though) landed unopposed (lucky him) at Pevencey Bay. This gave him plenty of time to assemble and prepare positions near Hastings.

    http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/places/1066-battle-of-hastings-abbey-and-battlefield/

    For over 200 years the English monarchy spoke French rather than Norse.

    http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryMagazine/DestinationsUK/The-Battle-of-Stamford-Bridge/

    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thing_(assembly)

      The Norse have endowed us with the idea of elections and democracy.

      correction. = as we say, pissed that his brother won out.

      • Truthist

        I beg to differ ;
        The Bankster puppet masters of the Vikings did.
        Thems aul Bankster puppet masters enconsed down in Ukraine.
        And, big long-term plans were afoot to play on Ireland.

        Democracy is how they can control the masses most.

        John Lennon’s song “Working Class Hero” is so wise ;

        “U think u are so clever, & classless, & free.
        But, u’re still f..king peasants as far as I can see.”

        Still, I myself always attend to matters as the model citizen of the pseudo-democracy “The Irish State”.

        • I need more clarity as I fail to see what you are talking about.
          What Ukraine
          Which bankster puppet masters
          how do you compare John Lennon’s contemporary observation with ninth and 10th and 11th century Norse.
          And let us not confuse all vikings as Norse but it was the Norse that traveled the Northern European waterways to the Black /sea and Constantinople and the Middle East.

          And you differ with the actual historically recorded Norse and Germanic institution of a “Thing” or Parliament where the leaders were elected and other problems brought for debate and resolution. This was before the days Monarchs acquired the “devine right” by claiming to be direct descendants of the family of Jesus or other such ideas, and Britons had to reclaim their rights over the last 800 years starting before Magna Carta.

          It was the Normans who seized all the land in the name of the state and left us with the legacy of the concept of crown land. All British colonial possessions started with an emissary of the state jumping off a boat and announcing with the planting of a flag that the “new” territory was now in possession of the state represented.

          All Canada, for example, is seized by the Crown. All non private land is called “Crown Land”. That part of Norse heritage is anti freedom and democracy I grant you.

    • Bob Ryan

      Tony,

      Haraldur harðráði was not Ólafsson, he was Sigurðsson. The Old Norse word “ráð” means council or advice, but “harðráði” does not mean wise in council, it means tyrant – from the Old Norse adjective “harður” (hard) + the verb “að ráða” (to rule).

  16. McCawber

    So “Back to the Future” then.
    Always thought David and Michael J Fox looked a bit alike.
    The moral of this piece is united we stand.
    The narrative about Ireland and company is a joke. The French et al are trying to bully us.
    They’re picking on what they perceive as an easy targe .
    Why aren’t we talking about France’s continuous breaching of the rules.
    We shouldn’t be afraid to throw a few stones ourselves.
    Remember the Nice treaty.
    No! Well me too except for two things.
    One of the things I remember is Ireland had to go out to tender for the referendum voting papers whereas the French didn’t.
    The french abused the spirit behind the tendering system and gave 20 (a guess) smaller local contracts so that the tendering rules weren’t breached.
    Total me feiners and they’re not alone .
    Time to stand up and fightand break some glass.

    • McCawber

      Ie company tax.
      ie 2 continues breaching of the budgetary rules.

    • Truthist

      McCawber,

      Maybe the French have a useful handle on the “Picadillos” of certain Irish politicians.
      Hence Nice 2, etc. 8-)

      And, not forgetting the chutzpah of Jean Claude Trichet of E.C.B. threatening to b..mb Dublin if Irish government follow David’s advice to burn the Bondholders.
      And, Jean Claude Trichet’s further audacity to arrive in Dublin publicly later.
      Garda-Landlord Letter-Interferers/Eavesdroppers/Key-hole Janers were too scared to arrest Jean-Claude despite their prowess at having a little boy Brian Rossiter die under their arrest & detention of him at Clonmel Garda Station ;

      Ref.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Rossiter

      Professor Christopher Milroy, a British Home office pathologist for 17 years and a reviewer of Rossiter’s file, said it was more likely that he had sustained the injury which killed him subsequent to the Hanning assault, and closer to the time that he was found unconscious in his Clonmel prison cell.

      Our continental Grand Orient Lodge cousins must have an understandable very contemptuous opinion of the Irish if the Institutional State of the Irish State [ I.S.I.S. ] has a very contemptuous opinion of the ordinary Irish Citizens.

      • McCawber

        Two rights don’t make a wrong.

        • Truthist

          McCawber,

          I understand the logic of ur sentence.
          And, I am aware of a related wisdom ;
          “2 wrongs do not make a right.”
          So, I appreciate ur sentence also as a quirky play on the saying that I know already.

          However, I do not understand what u mean in the context of the thread of discussion starting with ur opening comment & continuing on to my reply.

          Please explain at ur earliest kind convenience.

          • McCawber

            I would if I could but I can’t so I won’t.
            I’d had a few scoops tbf.
            Maybe two rights don’t make a wrong might have been more appropriate.
            The French are just begrudgers.
            Their socialist “ethic” goes against the grain of our corporate tax system.
            Just because they think they’re right doesn’t make them right so they’re just going to bully us into their position.

          • Truthist

            We must differentiate between the accomplished parasitic Bureaucrats & Politicos of France & the decent ordinary people of France.

            But, I ask ;

            “How are we to stand up against foreign foes if we as a people are divided & corrupted ?

            After all ;

            “A nation divided amongst itself cannot stand.”

          • McCawber

            You’ve answered your own question.
            We are a divided nation and pretty much always have been.

          • Truthist

            Yes, McCawber,

            I posed a rhetorical question.

            I suggest that we are divided seriously on many individual issues.
            And, that we are divided on the issues should not mean it be serious.
            But, it is serious.
            Folks here are in the main egotistical in their views
            And, egotistical often too in their lack of views ;
            i.e.
            They get very insecure if they perceive someone knows more or better than they do.
            In fact, they downright nasty.
            That is serious.

            In Ireland, the intellect is traditionally the focus of snobbery.
            In many other countries it would be one’s personal appearance.
            In others it would be their material wealth.
            In others it would be their craft skills.
            In others it would be something else.

            The Irish are education snobs.
            And in this millau the “educated” Irish do not really have much to be genuinely snobby about.
            And, the French, & the Germans, & the British, & the Poles, & the Dutch, & the … know that about us.
            They know that we are a basket case of a country presently.

  17. McCawber

    Definition of tax.
    Something I shouldn’t pay but everyone else should.
    Origin of definition -See sponger.

  18. “Every time the system stumbles, the response has been for central banks to force greater control and regulation upon the monetary system to the detriment of free markets. It is the financial version of the Road to Serfdom. Central banks have become ill-equipped to allow markets to price risk, and in the case of the ECB, it is downright hostile to market-determined prices.”

    https://www.goldmoney.com/research/goldmoney-insights/the-ecb-and-shadow-banking?gmrefcode=gata

    • McCawber

      Somebody mentioned Eirgrid a while back.
      It’s the same problem. An institution created to regulation an industry.
      Regulate everything and never mind how effective or necessary the regulation is or was (as in don’t learn from your mistakes)

  19. mike flannelly

    Time to talk about the IRISH MORTGAGE ARREARS PROCESS and false financial reporting by

    ” Irish bankers.”

    Why were the failed Irish bankers that overvalued the debt on land banks by 900%, apartments by 200% and houses by 100% allowed stonewall stressed bank customers with a bogus process.

    High debt ratio mortgage products that were not fit for purpose or did not meet the needs and objectives of stressed bank customers, should have been restructured.

    In my own view,

    The Irish Mortgage Arrears Process was a complete scam.

    “Where were the solutions that met both the lender and borrowers needs ? ”

    Stressed customers were threatened and intimidated by banks to voluntary sell property for half of the original costs by banks.

    Where were the industry best practice split mortgage restructures for mortgage debt that was clearly 100% and 200% overvalued by professionally negligent bankers?

    No writedowns.

    Sorry .

    Writedowns were for the silent newspaper outlets that continiously told us that Irish bankers broke no laws.

    Or so the bankers told them.

  20. Get in there George, back with a bang after a brief hiatus.

    I know David will be champing at the bit to read this:

    “Neoliberalism – the ideology at the root of all our problems”

    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot

  21. E. Kavanagh

    I imagine the only reason many multi-nationals set up shop in Ireland specifically is because of the tax system and various incentives. If language is an issue, the US companies would probably go to Britain otherwise.

    In the US model, most income tax revenue goes to the centre. If one looks at all taxes and fees, the Federal total and the State and Local total are pretty much equal. This is clearly different to the EU where all is collected at national level, and then a tiny bit passed onto to the EU.

    This massive amount of money collected by the Feds in the US allows there to be, if not an equalisation, a subsidy to the poorer states. But the EU doesn’t have anyway near as much money available in revenue.

    If the EU wants dictate terms and to raid the Irish coffers, then the Irish should be demanding a centralised distribution of revenue based on need and population rather than based on source.

  22. Truthist

    Tony,

    I will address ur queries [ Ref. Tony Brogan
    April 15, 2016 at 6:49 pm ] in sequential order herein :

    1.
    “I need more clarity as I fail to see what you are talking about.” says u Tony to me.

    Tony, I fail to understand how u can state that.
    My reply to u was most lucid & cogent & corroborable by good sense, & the common sense of the blogs body of knowledge, & with even modest amount of humble reflection & perhaps some research by u ahead of u returning to me as u have.

    2.
    What Ukraine

    Ukraine.
    Or if u wish to be splitting hairs ;
    The various enclosures that were the contiguous region back in the days of the Vikings that eventually has become the known enclosure known today as the country Ukraine.
    1st relevant enclosure was Khazar Kingdom ;
    It included eastern part of modern Ukraine, & Kiev City.

    3.
    Which bankster puppet masters

    All usurers are banksters
    And whomsoever is the current boss of bosses of banksters, then they are the puppet masters.
    The puppet masters of the Vikings were enconsed in Ukraine.
    I trust that u would know very well who they would be. 8-)
    Also, if u ask a true representative mix of say 100 modern Ukrainians or 100 Poles or 100 Belarussians or 100 Moldovians or 100 Romanians or 100 Russians or 100 Slovakians or 100 …s, I trust that u will get the answer to ur question as the most frequent reply by each group of all those nationalities.
    Come to think of it, I firmly believe that if u approach present day’s Bankster’s official historians themselves that they would truthfully confirm exactly who the master Banksters were enconsed in Ukraine in era of Vikings.
    Sometimes, the Banksters are given to very honest & helpful admissions.
    Indeed, u Tony urself, often quote Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863 ;

    “Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes it’s laws” — Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

    Alternatively, u could pray to Christ & perhaps u will be told somehow the answer to this question.
    Christ himself had the courage of ur convictions about man’s inhumanity to man [ including the inhumanity done to the poor Judean widow clients of the Banksters from the Temple ], vis. the Bankster’s usury scam, to whip the Banksters from the temple ;
    I confess myself that even though I am frequent talker to Christ that he never talks back to me.

    4.
    How do you compare John Lennon’s contemporary observation with ninth and 10th and 11th century Norse.

    I did not compare John Lennon’s observation as u say.
    U are confusing urself ;
    But, hopefully not confusing other readers.

    Apropos of ur notable use of the word “contemporary” ;

    That John Lennon [ Dead since 1980, & composer of those words in song recorded in 1970 ] said it long after the Vikings [ principly Danes & Norwegians per Ireland ] brought their practise of democracy between themselves to regions that practised royal rule only is irrelevant.
    Because, John Lennon’s observation is relevant to any age in history ;
    Past & Future.
    Lennon’s observation is a wise insight for all seasons.

    Apropos of “the comparing”

    I referred to Lennon’s observation in the context of “Democracy”.
    If u had read what I said properly, u would notice that the immediately previous sentence said ;

    Democracy is how they can control the masses most.

    The power of Lennon’s particular observation does not require that the participants are aware of it.
    And, that it emanated from Lennon is not the basis of its truth.
    It does not matter who said it really.
    This insight is wise & true in itself.
    It can be understood logically by deduction & induction too.
    Indeed, Lennon’s observation is self-evident when u consider it.

    Democracy is meant to ensure that every voter is an equal & free person to every other voter in their dealings with the state.
    And, we all know that that ain’t so ;

    “Some are more equal than others.”
    Orwell, George

    5.
    “And let us not confuse all vikings as Norse”

    I did not confuse all Vikings as Norse.
    In fact, I did not elaborate as to who the Vikings were in total per region or colonised country known then & known now.
    However, I allow for u to be here trying to edify readers in general of the blog, & me too [ Although, I did know that all Vikings were not Norse / Norwegian ].
    But, overall, the Vikings were a homogenous group ;
    The countries known as Norway, Sweden, Denmark did not exist then.

    6.
    It was the Norse that traveled the Northern European waterways to the Black Sea and Constantinople and the Middle East.

    I contest such a sweeping statement as this.
    The Vikings who went on these trepidous & distant places would have included for sure Vikings from all the other parts of Scandinavia, & the Vikings colonies also.
    And, for sure, the Swedish travelled to Constantinople as Emissaries, & also served in the Byzantine Empire as mercenaries.
    And, heck, they even founded Kievan Rus.

    7.
    “And you differ with the actual historically recorded Norse and Germanic institution of a “Thing” or Parliament where the leaders were elected and other problems brought for debate and resolution.”

    Tony, the Irish upon being christianised quickly entered into a golden era of Irish Civilisation marked internationally by a reputation for supreme expertise at metalwork [ including goldsmithing ], & the practise of christian virtue & also scholasticism based on christianity & the works of the ancient Greeks & ancient Romans.
    Obviously, they were well acquainted with the concept of “Democracy”.
    So, yes, Tony, I differ with ur original claim ;

    “The Norse have endowed us with the idea of elections and democracy.”

    But, the Irish chose not to adopt those practises of election & democracy.
    And, this would be in accordance with the dangers outlined about democracy outlined by the Prince of Philosophers ; Aristotle.

    Actually, Tony, when u come to think of it, Democracy is in itself NOT possible.
    Having elected a leader, u then abide by everything that the leader thenceforth decides.

    8.
    “This was before the days Monarchs acquired the “divine right” by claiming to be direct descendants of the family of Jesus or other such ideas.”

    Tony, there was no King of Ireland before or subsequent to the Vikings coming here who claimed being a descendant of the family of Christ.
    And, as to “other such ideas”, I have no idea what u are talking about.

    I refer to Irish Kings only because u started the thread with claim ;

    “The Norse have endowed us with …” ; “US” [ NOT U.S. / NOT U.S.A. ]

    9.
    “… Britons had to reclaim their rights over the last 800 years starting before Magna Carta.”

    Apropos of “… Britons had to reclaim their rights… starting before Magna Carta.”

    I am not aware of any significant rights reclaimed by, & for, Britons before the Magna Carta ;
    And, I use this phrase because of ur original phrase, & also because I do indeed correct [ See below ] the notion that ” … Britons … reclaim[ed] their rights … [ with ; understood from context of ur sentence ] Magna Carta.

    Tony, the Magna Carta was a compromise to the Knights, & Squires — the [ Robber ] Barons — of England & Wales to protect their rights against encroachment by the King ;
    The Magna Carta “protected” / “ensured continuance of” the Robber Barons reign over the peasants.
    So, it is flawed of u to say that ” … Britons had to reclaim their rights … :

    10.
    Tony, u then continue with further points about the Normans & which really is unfair on me when u started with this opener ;

    “I need more clarity as I fail to see what you are talking about.”

    & I had not ventured into any of what u talk in detail.

    But, anyways, u are wrong in giving the impression that the Normans were the 1st to ;
    ” … seized all the land in the name of the state and leave us with the legacy of the concept of crown land.”

    It has been going on since the very beginnings of time.

    Think of the ancient Roman conquerors

    e.g.

    “I came.
    I saw.
    I conquered.”

    I contend that ; “A Rose by any other name is still a Rose.”

    e.g.
    “All Canada is seized by the Crown.
    All non private land is called “Crown Land”.
    That part of Norse heritage is anti freedom and democracy I grant you.”

    OK, Tony, u should know better that I as a true Irish man & Catholic would be against conquering other peoples countries ;
    So, why do u challenge me about this matter ?
    Especially, why do u attribute the conquering of other peoples’ lands as an approved policy of mine,
    vis.
    ur use of the punch-line phrase ; ” … I grant u.”

    By the way, Tony, this policy operates, today, in the “Ahem / Cough, Ahem / Cough ‘Republic’ of Ireland” with :
    a]
    compulsory purchase orders by the Irish State
    &
    b]
    Garda-Landlord / Letter-Interceptors & Interferers & Eavesdroppers / Key-hole Katers harassing “homeless & roofless” citizens of the “Ahem / Cough, Ahem / Cough ‘Republic’” to not be loitering in a public space [ I think 10 minutes is maximum that citizen can reside in the one spot ahead of being arrested by a Garda-Landlord
    c]
    Garda-Landlord / Letter-Interceptors & Interferers & Eavesdroppers / Key-hole Katers harassing “homeless & roofless” citizens of the “Ahem / Cough, Ahem / Cough ‘Republic’” to not be a vagrant in a public space [ I think not having the equivalent of a Gold Sovereign or other ], ahead of being arrested by a Garda-Landlord.
    Hey Tony ; I just made another case for Gold.

    Now, Tony, I having being gentlemanly in addressing ur “Need”, I trust that u will similarly issue a very honest & decent & full reply to my request to u
    April 15, 2016 at 2:14 am
    Re ;
    The 20th century’s most noted researcher Mr. Eustace Mullins.

    After all I notice that in a multitude of previous posts by u over the years that u highly recommend everyone acquire the book by Griffin “The Creature of Jekyl Island” that plagarised Eustace Mullins’s “The Secrets of the Federal Reserve”.

    It is truly amazing what I have to contend with in trying to help Ireland.

    On praising the actions of Mr. Ben Gilroy to a highly intelligent & educated leftist friend in Ireland he became instantly most hostile to me about Gilroy & Direct Democracy Ireland.
    He had his caustic insulting handle on Gilroy shall we say.
    Of course, I dealt with the issue not with the man, & elaborated that what I witnessed of Gilroy was highly brave & commendable.
    And, I pointed out that rather than be aggrieved by perceived political policies of D.D.I., my friend should welcome D.D.I.’s mandate ;
    vis.
    “Public Plebiscite” Mechanism enacted in the Irish Constitution.

    And, just some days ago I was ganged up on by a little group who had disdain that I a non-graduate from a university should propose that a Mexican Billionaire has the makings of a great part solution to the Bankster Scam Bundle [ B.S. Bundle ].
    They were a touch jealous is what I was informed.

    So, please Tony, realise that I do not accede to Perversity 8-)

    And, come to think of it, I am really the only blogger here to support & also question u.

  23. EU Rules

    ……this is what David infers in his caption above . I say ‘Enarchy is the New Power ‘…….even Ryanair cannot defeat it and never will .Look for even one base in France ….there are none and this is against the back ground that they fly there more than anywhere else in summer .

  24. Basics

    Income Tax Acts 1967 was essentially the first Finance Act that embodied the national fiscal laws .
    This was written from bottom up that means from the ordinary people and what mattered to them up to the corporate simple system as it was then.
    Even though it was often misunderstood by Revenue and Practitioners it was accessible and fair in its appeal procedures.
    I can relate in the early 1980′s when I appealed against an assessment where a career lady married a small farmer in Co. Galway and was refused two annual allowances on year of marriage. After a few years and many many meetings with commissioners and revenue in Galway ….it was finally agreed that the relevant act was misinterpretated by all revenue and practitioners . This was not about an opinion this was an absolute fact of evidence in law not understood or to put it another way the English was not clearly understood what the act really said .National newspapers and radio gave it a lot of publicity then and this was at a time against a back ground of many people leaving the country then.

    Today proper English usage by Revenue is fraught with indiscriminate dangers to the ordinary taxpayers .For me it is a nightmare where peoples rights are denied by obfuscation and acquiescence .

    Tax Act 2007 is the new ( TCA2007 ) bull dog on the street .This is written as a boutique act where the ordinary taxpayers are denied a proper presence and where the appeal process is very poor and weighs heavily against the taxpayer to the extent that it is in my opinion unconstitutional and no one seems to care because its suits the accountants and solicitors to make more money.
    The corporate part of this act is what David refers to and all its boutique allure and smelling salts .

  25. “And, come to think of it, I am really the only blogger here to support & also question u.”
    This is demonstrably untrue.

    The rest is too convoluted to respond to. In general Harold Haardraada was King of Norway and Sweeden. Canute was king of Denmark around 1000 ad. These countries existed as states then but Ukraine did not until maybe 2-300 years ago.
    I never said that the Norse had a monopoly on the actions of elections for leaders. It was a comment on the actions of “vikings” and how the custom was enacted in Britain as Saxon kings were also originally elected. Elections are a bulwark of the democratic process.
    The fact that the Irish saved Civilization (see How the Irish saved Civilization by Thomas Cahill) does not necessarily make them democratic. Brilliant scholars perhaps!

    I really do not want to scrap with you but I genuinely find it is often difficult to follow your train of thought and logic.

    • Truthist

      Now Tony I replied to ur reply to me point-for-point.

      And, I hold fast to my claim that I am really the only blogger here to support & also question u.
      And, in this context “question u” would be challenging u or being man enough to say that u are wrong to a degree or completely wrong.
      But, of course in a gentlemanly way.
      Dealing with the issue ; Not with the person.

      Please feel free to list the names of the bloggers who “demonstratively supported & also questioned u.” ?

      Ur statement that the rest of my point-for-point reply to u “is too convoluted to respond to” is untrue & basically a cop out & bad manners.
      It is also sign how u would deal with the various issues of life that present themselves before the politicians, & civil servants, & law, were ur particular slant of Libertarianism reign.
      As much as I like Ron Paul for particular issues, I fear that he would be very indifferent, or indeed contemptuous, to folks on welfare.

      Ur response thus far is the testimony to u thus far.

      Furthermore, u should appreciate that the lower classes of Ireland have a better handle on Ireland than u have as an Irishman who grew up elsewhere & living the vast bulk of ur life outside of Ireland.
      Also, u would benefit from not having a too high regard for official histories & the like.
      But, yes, u are very good on the international perspective.
      And, also on the survival aspect ; Farming Skills etc.
      But, u are out of ur league for how it is to try to live in such a despicable hell-hole as is the Irish State.

      And, u then resume making statements about the Vikings that contradicts ur gambit that u will not respond to the points that I addressed of ur reply to me.
      And, u are “in general” wrong in ur assertions again.
      Incidentally, every point-for-point of ur reply to me that I addressed was attended to with fact-checking.
      Contrary to what u now suddenly state, Norway & Sweden did not exist as states ;
      They were regions only.
      And, Sweden & Denmark was considered 1 region on a larger scale within Scandinavia.
      Then u accuse me of saying ;
      “[ Tony ] said that the Norse had a monopoly on the actions of elections for leaders.”
      I never said that Tony.
      U then equivocate & obfuscate further about elections.

      Ur emphasis about the Norse as being the sole Vikings who went to Constantinople & the Middle East & the Black Sea is 100 % wrong.
      And, I told u so that it was the Swedish Vikings who established Kievan Rus.

      And, then u start making a point that ;
      “the Irish saving Civilisation does not necessarily make them democratic”.
      Really, Tony, u are manufacturing disputed points again.
      I never laid claim that the Irish of those times & before were “democratic”.
      Why bother to manufacture scraps ;
      It is shameful.

      I did assert to u in my initial reply that the puppet masters of the Vikings schooled them with the notion of “Democracy” & “Elections”.
      And, I trust that u can readily uncover whom the were on ur own staid. 8-)

      And, from what is evident, “Democracy” & “Elections” seems to suck.
      Much better to have a benigh King such as Brian Boru, or Cormac Mac Airt.
      Or the likes of Mummar Gaddafi.
      Or even to have no leaders, & no laws but the Natural Law.
      The ordinary Irish Voters are like Turkeys voting for Christmas.

      By the way, the Irish alone did not save Western Civilisation ;
      So did the Muslim Arabs.
      And, they also advanced it in many ways.
      “Credit where credit is due” says Roy Keane.

      And, finally, u end on an ad hominem note.
      Tony, my writings are must lucid & cogent.
      And, to think that I have spent a fortune of time reading all ur links throughout many years.
      Not just ur posts.

      So, u are not man enough to address the merits of Eustace Mullins & his book “The Secrets of the Federal Reserve” yet u have been endorsing ad infinitum that people “buy” [ free versions on internet not available, & libraries would surely only have enough for only a few readers per 200,000 citizens ] Griffin’s plagiarisation [ "The Creature of Jekyl Island" ] ?
      And, Griffin’s version of Mullins’s book is a craftily devised damage limitation exercise for the Banksters, & also an attempt to deny Mullins livelihood.
      And, u are not man enough to look into Eustace Mullins’s claim — Ref. The Curse of Canaan — that the Irish are the real Hiberos ?

      • Truthist

        Inadvertent Omission ;

        And, u are very good on Economics ;
        Particularly on Austrian Economics.

        And, u are also very good on other topics.

      • And, finally, u end on an ad hominem note.

        Nothing ad hominem about the statement that sometimes I find you hard to follow.

        • Truthist

          Bet u do not find it hard to follow this ;

          So, u are not man enough to address the merits of Eustace Mullins & his book “The Secrets of the Federal Reserve” yet u have been endorsing ad infinitum that people “buy” [ free versions on internet not available, & libraries would surely only have enough for only a few readers per 200,000 citizens ] Griffin’s plagiarisation [ "The Creature of Jekyl Island" ] ?
          And, Griffin’s version of Mullins’s book is a craftily devised damage limitation exercise for the Banksters, & also an attempt to deny Mullins’s livelihood.
          And, u are not man enough to look into Eustace Mullins’s claim — Ref. The Curse of Canaan — that the Irish are the real Hiberos ?

  26. survivalist

    I will try to keep this to the point…Despite our shared history with the Scandinavians we have very little if any solidarity with them.

    Some historical facts need to be considered. The source I refer if anyone would like to examine it is Prof B Cunliffe (Professor of European Archaeology at the University of Oxford from 1972 to 2007) summarised in his work ‘Britain Begins’.

    The Vikings (earliest raiders from Norway) never succeeded in advancing much into the island of Ireland. The locals put up too much resistance; it’s not much more complicated than that.

    Viking capture of what were then cultural and social backwaters like Dublin, Wicklow and so on was tolerated by the locals who ejected, raided or traded with them as was deemed necessary.

    Perhaps the most egregious and colossal mis-information and propaganda which is circulated on the topic of the Irish people their language, culture and their origins is that…it was brought here.

    It was not and this simple fact needs to be understood. We are not half Phonecian, 30% Jew, 15% Syrian or anything else.

    Ireland’s culture and language originated IN IRELAND and thrived from approx. 2500BC onwards.

    Indeed we are an aboriginal culture. Ascribing our origins to any other demeans our own and improves the other. We benefit noting from such a trade.

    We are not a colony and were never a colony, Ireland is an ancient nation and a mother-country in her own right.

    This is verified by evidence and not the product of circumstantial speculations, but the considered opinion of the best scholarly work available.

    We have been a sovereign people with a distinct culture thriving for millennia before Europe even had an identity. Many European nations as they are today were simply not there as little as 300 years ago. Our integrity is unmatched.

    We don’t need Europe nor any poor man’s version of it – but they do envy us and covet the nation and its resources. It’s not much more complicated that.

    • Truthist

      I tend to agree with u on many of ur points Survivalist.

      Re; The Vikings

      The Vikings were scurrilous folk.
      Although, the modern day Scandinavians are rather nice.

      The Vikings were the I.S.I.S. of their time.

      The fearsome Proxy Army of the Toyota-Pickups are directed by the Dreadful Few to destroy Muslim & Christian civilisation in the Lavant.

      Likewise, the Vikings of the Long-Boats were directed by their Bankster Puppet Masters in Kiev Rus [ basically modern day Ukraine ] to target Ireland because of Ireland’s distinction at rescuing Western European Civilisation & particularly for saving Christianity.

      Hence the destruction of the Monasteries & Holy Books etc., & also the pillage, & rape, & murder, & kidnapping for slavery abroad of massive amounts of the Irish population.

      A cultured & civilised people then would not have done as the Vikings did.

      Democracy & Elections was a way for their Puppet Masters to control them.

      Yes, most creativity associated with Ireland indeed originated from the Irish native.

      Definitely agree with ur 2 closing paragraphs.

    • Basically the Gaels controlled the interior and the Danes for 300 years the sea ports, until Brian gave them the boot. Since the Milesians 1500 bc approx. the biggest invasions were the Anglo-Normans and the Presbyterian Scots!!! as far as I can see. Then there are all those British Pensioners looking for a county retirement home. With no border control now Eire is a Euro.

    • Grzegorz Kolodziej

      “Ireland’s culture and language originated IN IRELAND and thrived from approx. 2500BC onwards.
      Indeed we are an aboriginal culture.”

      Just a quick question – I am curious.

      If Irish originated in Ireland, how come it has some deep grammar structures akin to Slavic languages that pre-date Germanic and Latin languages?

      For instance, tá leabhar agam, corresponds exactly to Russian
      “u menya kniga”, while the tá/bíonn distinction corresponds exactly to the Polish jest/bywa.

      Interestingly, Irish and Russian phonology has much more in common than Irish and German – they do have two kinds of consonants: palatalised and velarised ones (called slender and broad consonants, for Irish).

      And even though Polish and Russian phonetics are again very different (say like English and German), still, when I lived in Wales, people were surprised that I could naturally pronounce their consonant “ll” correctly, while people over there have to be trained to pronounce it (I suppose the latter because Welsh was more dead than Irish ever was).

      And there are over 130 similar sounding words in Welsh and Czechs (so far more than in English and Welsh). How would you explain that?

      “Our integrity is unmatched” – well the language did not survive except as a second language, which is to my chagrin.

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