February 18, 2016

A coalition of FF and FG would work for everyone - including the Left

Posted in Sunday Business Post · 133 comments ·

A few things occurred to me when watching the TV leaders’ debate the other night. The first was that Stephen Donnelly appeared to be head and shoulders above the other candidates in terms of his delivery, his clarity and his message.

His message was straightforward: if we want a Scandinavian-style welfare system, the next government should not be made up of parties that promise to cut taxes. This made him stand out initially because here was somebody who was stating the obvious and not focusing on scoring points.

Maybe it is the luxury of being a small party leader or, in his case, co-leader and how Scandinavian is that? (Who’s for smorgasbord, herring and Aquavit?) However, his basic proposition that “if you want X, you have to have Y” struck home as being eminently sensible. It may not be the rhetoric of electoral victories, but it is a breath of fresh air and a move away from the dreadful “auction” that is going on every day at the doorsteps.

The second thing to emerge is that the leaders of the main parties who have ruled this country for the past 90-odd years – Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil – will say anything to avoid the obvious, which is that a coalition of these parties would be the best thing to happen to the Irish political system for 90 years.

They are, for all intents and purposes, the same party. They have a broadly similar ideology with a broadly similar audience. The accent might be slightly different, but you know the message could easily be the same depending on circumstances.

They are the ‘Late Late’ and the ‘Ray D’Arcy Show’ of Irish politics.

They have the same format, the same studio, practically the same audience and stand for the same set of values. One is (or used to be) a slightly posher version of the other. Today, they both want to cut taxes and increase spending; tomorrow, who knows?

The Labour Party is in an invidious position. Indeed, successive Labour Parties have been in similar positions after the “contamination” of government. Power doesn’t suit them and it takes years for them to get over it. They always sound much better in opposition. They are the Jimmy Carters of Irish politics, in the sense that everyone listens to ex-President Jimmy Carter once he is out of office. In fact, Jimmy Carter is the best ex-President the US ever had; the only problem is that to get the Jimmy Carter ex-presidency, the US had to endure the Jimmy Carter presidency.

According to the polls, Sinn Féin is the coming unified force on the proper Left. It will just have to make up its mind as to whether, in proper Soviet fashion, Gerry Adams is life president or can be deposed peacefully. Those who know these things suggest that the Shinners can’t make much more progress with the bearded one at the helm. An alliance of the various Left parties seems remote given their almost theological or scriptural differences. The great prophet and tomes of the Left have been hair split to justify what are, essentially, a difference of vanities between the faithful.

However, a Fine Gael/Fianna Fáil coalition might solve that. After all, there’s nothing to focus the mind like a common, unified enemy.

One other thing to come out of the debates is that if the economy turns down, then all bets are off, all promises will be reneged on and the Europeans and their horrible fiscal rules will be blamed for inactivity.

With the exception of Donnelly and maybe Richard Boyd Barrett, there wasn’t much conviction on view. Lucinda Creighton’s flat tax is an interesting idea; however, such a massive “big bang” is probably beyond this country in peacetime.

Now I’d like to make a few comments on the nature of the Irish economy and what seems like the best thing to do at this juncture.

The first thing to appreciate is that Ireland is very open to changes in the world economy and the one thing that has changed in the past three months is that the global outlook has deteriorated dramatically. In 2015, the US was motoring along, the UK too and China was slowing down smoothly, while the rest of Europe had at least stopped contracting. All this has changed and it is not clear that the world will not enter another recession in late 2016, early 2017.

This means we have to be careful on the tax-cutting front. Don’t get me wrong: I believe that workers should be rewarded with lower taxes when the economy is growing, but it would be a mistake to cut taxes now, only to raise them again next year.

The second issue, and this comes from the first, is that being in the euro without our own exchange rate means that when things change we have little, if any, ability to adjust. If the last 10 years have taught us anything, it is that within the euro, the Irish economy is extremely volatile. We can go from having buckets of tax revenue to having none in a matter of months. Huge budget surpluses can disappear almost overnight. There is no reason to believe that this might not happen again.

As a result of this economic volatility, the third issue is that it is important not to make our tax base too narrow. In good times, there’s a tendency to cut taxes and become over-dependent on taxes from one or two main sources. We did this with property and consumption- related taxes in the boom. If something adverse happens, a narrow tax base becomes a very fragile and insufficient tax base.

The fourth issue on the economy is that the country is already recovering quite strongly, jobs are being created, revenues are reasonably buoyant and personal income is going up, so there really is no need to rev the engine by tax cuts.

I am no fiscal evangelist. I believe that tax cuts are the right of responsible government, but with so much uncertainty and with the economy performing, I am not sure whether it would be a sensible thing to do in 2016. Unless, of course, we want to slash State investment next year. If we are happy to revert to stop-start, well, off we go – but is that what we want?

  1. I’ll sit this debate out. Go sailing and see what transpires.

    • McCawber

      I was going to suggest that David has been reading your posts very carefully.
      Ta btw for the comments on Trading platform in particular and the other stuff.

    • redriversix

      Evening all.

      The next Government is FG and FF & may last a year or 18 months.

      I came to this conclusion after the Kilkenny/Carlow by election when 21,000 people voted FF & 26,000 voted FG.

      Labour is finished.Steven Donnelly is a good speaker but I have always been curious as to his rapid rise.2009 = Steven who ?

      2011. Fleet of Jeeps for elections ,then “ta da”….!!!!

      As much as I advocate for people to vote,and I will vote…I do understand that Civil servants ,Frankfurt & Brussels run this Country,understand it’s a contradiction.what can you do ?

      Politicians lie,Media spins….I doubt very much if their will be any cuts.

      The goal is to privatise everything.

      The main parties count on a voter turnout of 60/65%,assuring them of reelection and the opportunity to do a deal.

      More People need to vote to get some kind of change .

      Don’t worry about S.F or all the horror stories if the status quo is not relected…wouldn’t make a blind bit of difference.
      What can you do ?

      Treat every Euro as a prisoner and look after your self & your family.


      All political parties / Splinter groups ,throughout history, have emerged from War or terror or subversion

      Use your vote.


  2. McCawber

    Uncertainty is where it’s at.
    The advice to the next government is spot on.
    Make haste very slowly.
    Will they listening.

  3. This article fails to mention that wealth inequality and neo slavery are two huge problems in the irish economy, workers are being harvested to destruction so as to feed the grotesque appetite of a fewParasites. Itis these parasites both (some irish and some foreign) who set tax levels and deside on the level of destruction of workers lives. The election is a sham to maintain the illusion of drmocracy. It makes little difference which criminsls get elected, they will be shown the same script to implement by their dictator overlords but they will be rewarded well for their role in trying to convey the whole scam ss democratic.

  4. Mike Lucey

    I think, from looking at the available data that Ireland expends close to 90% of what the Swedes spend per capita.


    Sweden $4243
    Ireland $3867

    Okay, these figures are for 2013 but I imagine the Irish situation has not deteriorated too much if any and that the Swedes have not increased spend dramatically.

    I’m told that the Swedish Health System is streets ahead of the Irish Heath System. Looking at the figures we should be very close behind them.

    The only conclusion that I can come to is that there is serious mismanagement from the top down.

    Its about time that we copied the Swedish system and do whatever they are doing, however I imagine that this action would entail the scrapping of a lot of bloated management.

    Maybe this management could be retrained as medics?

    • Original-Ed

      There’s obviously mismanagement but doesn’t the incompetence stem from their politician overlords. Career politicians covering their a— at every juncture. Michael Martin commissioned no less than 140 reports during his stint at the helm – 120 of these cost no less than 40 million.
      That’s not management – it’s more a circus act.

    • sravrannies

      Hi Mike, I believe those figures are based on 2011 data where the corresponding UK spend is $3,405. On more recent 2014 data the UK considered to have the highest overall healthcare ranking. Sweden is third. Perhaps the NHS isn’t so bad after all?



      • StephenKenny

        I don’t have first hand experience of the UK’s healthcare system, but I do of the UK’s healthcare admin system. It is indescribable, not-believable, and if anyone were just plain smart, articulate, and eloquent enough, to present the reality of it, no one, and I mean no one, would believe it.
        Anyone who’s been close up to an organisation like that, is left unable to tell anyone the truth, simply because no one would believe the truth. It would sound like you were just making it up, and doing it really badly.

        I’d believe a Soviet era production number before a UK health service related statistic.

        • coldblow

          I’d love to see such an account. There have been some damning reports about English Hospitals. The former Observer management correspondent (he was laid off) was informative about the uselessness of targets. Fantasy Island (as you know) was excellent about the wider context.

        • McCawber

          Compared to the HSE the NHS is a Rolls Royce.
          The HSE is designed to serve the HSE

    • Deco

      I would not trust a Swedish government statistic on anything, anymore. Another country driving at 120 kmph in the direction of the cliff edge.

      The UK statistics, I might believe.

      The Irish state solves this issue of the credibility of state statistics by measuring the moey spent at aggregate level, so that the politicians can sell us “we have invested … Million”.

      They did not invest – they spent it. And it was the people’s money not theirs.

  5. bluegalway

    In the NHS in the UK, some 59% of annual expenditure is wages.
    In Ireland, the HSE spends 83% of its annual budget on wages.
    That doesn’t leave much wriggle room for reform in the Irish system.
    Most of those wages are spent on consultants, surgeons and specialiasts, many of whom then go and work in the private sector as well.
    In comparison, consultants, surgeons and specialists earn twice what their counterparts do in the UK’s NHS, even for allowing for currency exchange.
    Can you see the Irish political establishment changing that?

    • Swanie

      Not only do many consultants/surgeons/specialists also work in the private sector, but they also get to use public facilities & services to treat their private patients – you couldn’t make it up.

  6. Wouldn’t work for me – I’m out of here – permanently. David has gone to the dark side of FG and FF. Unsubscribe (joke).

    Morning chaps, will read the article later. Vote independent (and buy gold from Roslyn Capital – the OAP fleecers).

  7. Slightly off-topic, sorry David but it’s still economics:

    “Negative interest rates are a calamitous misadventure”


  8. Pat Flannery

    Calling for a Fine Gael-Fianna Fail merger is like calling for more Pfizer-Allergan mergers. What Ireland needs is less concentrated political and economic power, not more.

    A few weeks ago I gave up the warm sunshine of Southern California to tramp the wet and windy borreens of County Mayo in order to hear firsthand what people are saying at the doorsteps. I will be out every day until the 26th. I am doing it to learn, not out of loyalty to any political Party. And boy am I learning!

    We have auction politics in Ireland because the people have no power, no opportunities. Everything is decided at the top. There is no point in quoting JFK’s famous “Ask not what your country can do for you etc.” because even if they wanted to do something for their country the people are stymied at every turn by Party power brokers.

    Not even Party Candidates can decide when to go the bathroom without checking with Party Headquarters. Candidates are just wound-up toys distributed around the country by powerful hidden elite Party power brokers to confuse the people. And you want to give these Party Apparatchiks even more power!

    There is a mania for centralizing everything in Ireland. It is what is wrong with the Health Service, the Garda, the education system, to name but a few. Maybe it has been inherited from the all- controlling Catholic Church, who had total control of education and to a large extent still has. Rome has always had a great mistrust of popular power. Rome always knew best.

    For whatever reason the fact is that since the foundation of the State and long before that the Irish people have been conditioned to depend on higher powers for everything. That is what has to end. It is what freedom means.

    Personally I am interested in seeing a diverse, independent industrial cluster develop around Knock Airport for example. The Airport is a natural. But right now the Airport Board is not allowed to install fiber optic broadband. It is all controlled by the State. Is that a national economic policy?

    When I mention Knock Airport at Mayo doors I get blank stares: “Sure they want everybody to live in Dublin. There is no interest in anything around here. We are supposed to just lie down and die”.

    Unfortunately they are right. Knock Airport is in the Taoiseach’s constituency but he has shown no more interest in it than Richard Bruton or any other Dublin politician. He is leading a powerful national political party and not interested in Mayo or any other rural county. The “recovery” will remain in Dublin.

    Politically we may as well declare a dictatorship as consolidate more power in the hands of faceless Party elites. Russia tried that. It didn’t work. We need distributed power and a distributed FREE economy.

    The Irish people are no different from anybody else. The problem is they are still as repressed as ever, this time by powerful political parties and that includes Sinn Fein. That is why this time so many people will vote independent. Then we’ll see what will happen. But at least the trend towards centralization and privatization may be halted. A Fianna Fail – Fine Gael Government is a terrible idea.

    • mediator

      Hi Pat

      Thanks for this excellent post – I rarely read stuff that gets me thinking and this has – I had started to forget some of the truths you are speaking here. Overcentralised planning in ireland since the year zip. first dublin castle, then irish version of church, then FF/FG etc…

      Great and succinct analysis



      • cooldude

        Pat the Irish government has no more power than a county council. We have to submit our budgets to Europe to get them approved. We lost the last vestiges of our sovereignty when we joined the Euro. We are now run by unelected beaurocrats from Europe who are controlled by the privately owned ECB. The banking elites now run the show and democracy is just a charade they tolerate as long as we vote to their liking. The coming market crash will lead to further consolidation of power in Brussles and to a European armed force.

        I happen to agree with you on broadband in Knock but the locals need to bypass the useless politicians and do it themselves.

        • “We are now run by unelected beaurocrats from Europe who are controlled by the privately owned ECB” Exactly!!!

          When is the Central banking system of Ponzi scheme money ever going to be addressed. ???

          As far as I am concerned most will get what they deserve as they do not listen. Until the money system is addressed there is no escape from economic serfdom and a series of diminished freedoms that took a thousand years to accrue, that will be lost and abandoned in a generation.


          Too bad you’ll take the rest of us down with you.

          All the politicians are orchestrated clowns,puppets. You watch a Punch and Judy show and applaud and groan on cue. Children all, indoctrinated and deluded.

        • coldblow

          Right about county council but I don’t accept the banker elite stuff. Who was that former gov’t adviser in GB, Cunningham? Said all the politicians running around like headless chickens and nobody knows what he is doing. Nobody.

          • coldblow

            Tony, is he a cousin of Chris Spivey?

          • coldblow, you are an ignorant ass. Wipe the sneer off your face. It ill becomes anyone.

          • coldblow

            It was more of a jeer than a sneer – sneer is such a negative word.

            You haven’t forgotten our earlier arguments have you? Where you praised Spivey and insisted that all this conspiracy nonsense was true?

            Why would I then take your latest recommendation?

          • Your loss as you insist on putting people in boxes with labels so you can sit in judgement for ever after.

          • coldblow

            Tony, you don’t understand the introvert mind. This is what we were born to do, to compare and contrast, to generalize from the particular and to criticize. The aim is to understand, not to enthuse.

            When Cbweb got annoyed with me he said he had learnt nothing off my posts. Crotty was ok but out of date and didn’t have to deal with modern financial instruments. He granted that I had introduced him to Michel Hudson but he would have come across him anyway. I used to quote Hudson and then Colm did the same. David was getting sick of it. The thing is, Colm always quoted the wrong passages.

            I suppose if I felt compelled to post continually and at great length about a pet subject, like gold, I would be tempted (if I was an extrovert) to invent an imaginary friend or two to share the load. I doesn’t really bother me.

          • Invent a friend or two???

            Now who is the conspiracy theorist?

            You have also , of course , put yourself in a box. Are you really comfortable there or do you wish now and then that could liberate yourself and throw off a few shackles of the mind. I forgot that introverts are by definition, shy and reticent persons. You have misdiagnosed yourself!!!! You are outspoken and opinionated. Of course, that’s the extrovert talking. Well now we understand each other lets stick to the facts and avoid finger pointing. Agreeing to disagree is fine. There are no manufactured friends in the background , Just real people in this case.

          • coldblow

            Tony, that may be true but I’ll make my own mind up and , while it is quite possible, I think it is unlikely on the balance of probability.

            ‘You are opinionated and outspoken.’

            Thanks for the compliment. Someone told me the same thing at university but it wasn’t meant as a compliment. Yes, that’s me, though more the former than the latter. I try not to be too rude but don’t always succeed. You might have noticed that I refrain from insults, not least because they don’t work, but I am more interested in ideas than point scoring. I admit mockery can be a little cruel.

            People don’t really get the ext-int thing. I happened to look up an old video today on Mexico’s Canal Once about it. They got a lot right but gave as three examples of introverts Steve Jobs, Bill Gates and Einstein. Wrong in all cases. They probably read it somewhere.

    • corkie

      Great post there Pat. David’s article is pretty shallow by comparison. But to give him his dues, he does manage to provoke the likes of yourself to put their insights into this public arena on a regular basis. Maybe he believes that stuff that he writes or maybe he knows about Cunningham’s Law. Either way, it works for me.

    • coldblow

      “powerful hidden elite Party power brokers to confuse the people”

      I don’t believe this kind of stuff.

      “All-powerful Catholic Church”


      You were talking about buying one of Crotty’s books. I’d recommend Ireland In Crisis.

      • Pat Flannery

        coldblow: I bought Crotty’s “When Histories Collide” on Amazon. I am enjoying it but the print is unbelievably small. It will take me a while but I will let you know what I think.

        • coldblow

          I since bought When Histories Collide and I am getting through it slowly -essentially a posthumous reworking, from his notes, of Ire in Crisis bringing out his ideas about the history of agriculture and capitalism.

    • Deco

      Thanks for that Pat Flannery.

      We have a highly centralized state system. One in which a TD is your best chance of getting a medical card. One in which Michael Lowry can be lobbied to get your shop a lotto machine.

      The first achievement of the current minister for Justice, was to ensure boosted Lotto grant disbursement in her constituency. It is like as if everything is financially routed through D2.

      The Richelieu state complex – for a country with a population less than than of Greater Manchester. With thousands of state quangos, unaccountable bodies like Rehab that are part state funded, and so on. The “grant” is now the most insiduous element in Irish political life.

      The politicians are involved in all sorts of nonsense.

      And it is getting worse. Continually.

      It used to be about Willie O’Dea gettin you on the cheap housing list.

      Now it is about Ruth Coppinger promising to nationalize Starbucks, and give the employees payrises. Clearly, nobody told Ruth that Starbucks are a multinational in the US.

      Coppinger also wanted to take over the running of Dell in Limerick.

      I think you can see the slow, continual drift into more progressive levels of utter stupidity.

      The gradual movement away from a powerful church was led by lpeople who wanted a powerful intrusive state. A state system which is far more powerful now, than the Church ever was. And the politicians on offer, want more state power.

      At EU level the same mad rush towards more state power is mirrored.

      And leading the charge are the leading advocates of the financial sector. Chancers like Sutherland, Pat Cocks, and John Bruton.

      Ireland’s bolshevik politicians are fuly enthused. They have not yet seen a problem that cannot be solved by some state entity, or state funding.

      There is a new mantra in the European Union (the replacement of the Soviet Union) – “All power to the quangos !!”

      Just like the SU had a mailaise, under Breshnev – there is a massive lethargy in the EU, and a accompanying accomodation for a wild collection of delusions.

      This will all end in chaos.

      • coldblow

        All power to the Quangos! You could say that public discourse is ‘reified’: words (and not just any old words but *stupid* words) have an independent existence of their own and our authoritarian media and politicians argue about them and make patterns out of them.

  9. coldblow

    On tablet so keep brief. No difference between FG and FG except identity-wise. Lab similar but preachier and utopian ideologues. I’m not a ‘have’ but don’t agree with Scand model as it means more state reg and less freedom. Re Nua also pro Europe. SF are also leftist ideologues.

    • coldblow

      Many indo worse eg Wallace crying in Daily about abortion, Ming legalizing dope. Talking of dopes, Greens worse again. And they laugh at the Healy Raes?

      • cooldude

        Talking of dopes why should the government decide which plants we can consume or not consume. The war on plants should be stopped and we wouldn’t have the Gardai on the news congratulating themselves about finding a few plants that are illegal in our myopic society’s point of view outside Navan.

        Surely people should be allowed to decide what they can put into their own bodies. Also if this was allowed and personal responsibility was the norm there would be no market for these gangland criminals who are shooting each other willy nilly at the moment

        • Agree. All drugs should be legal. If necessary sold at government licensed stores to guarantee quality and purity.
          Provide counselling and addition services and leave it at that.
          No taxes on drugs and the price would be cheap.

          It would completely kill the drug trade and the expense of the attempted government controls. More healthy and less costly for society.

          • coldblow

            Knock me down with a feather! Tony agrees with Collude. Collude agrees with Tony. Both agree with GOLDBUG when he pops in with a flow diagram. Then there’s Hoggie.

            ‘All drugs should be legal.’

            No. They are bad for you and those around you, physically and morally. I used to live in a part of Dublin which was destroyed by them.

            ‘Govt licensed stores’

            Who awards the licences? Ever hear of Big Dope?

            ‘to guarantee quality and purity,

            Yes, it’s not the drugs that do harm but impurities introduced by evil dealers. Users are innocent victims. Dealers are ‘pure evil’. (That’s Varadkar’s description of a few care workers in Mayo, if memory serves.)

          • coldblow

            I typed Cooldude – honest!

          • Same legalization for prostitution. It takes it out of the crime bosses hands. The minute anything is banned by government it goes to the black market and the crime bosses profits.

            That is why the government gave a monopoly for the production of money to the central bankers. It becomes the preserve of the crime bosses, banksters, for their profit.

            Free the monetary system to allow honest money to circulate and then the economy can recover. Free the people to be allowed to decide what to do with their bodies. Free the people to be able to make decisions and be self reliant. Be rid of prohibition by edict.

            I note the interminable debate on the politicians and the the political process. Reliance on authority has sapped the will of the people. Ireland by all account is a giant case of Stockholm Syndrome.

            Mr Coldblow will go and sit on his potty to read more Crotty as he has neer an original thought in his head. He has a need to classify people to groups. It is time to get out and take a good walk and clear your head. It is OK for you to agree with Crotty but not ok for us to agree with each other. Weird.

            Debate the issue without the personal slander/libel. Forget the labels. Stick to the issues

          • cooldude

            I actually disagree with Tony who has a free mind like myself. The government should have no ability to jail someone because they consume a natural plant the pharmaceutical industry doesn’t like.

            The reason is simple we have to use the extremely dodgy pharmaceutical products and all natural herbs/medicines/relaxants are banned.

            The pharmaceutical industry are controlled by the Rockefeller family and other similar elite and they don’t give two shits about your health.

            For me no licenses but free well informed choice for everyone. What are you so afraid of.

            Yourself maybe

          • Not sure what it is you disagree with Cooldude. I agree people should have free will to take or refrain from anything.
            The only problem with regard to drugs and food is the purity.

            Many a person has ODed on drugs that lacked consistency of quality and content. I think it prudent that there be some sort of analysis that guarantees the quality of the drug being consumed.

            Other than that there should be facilities to help people remove a dependency or addition to drugs when they need it and want it.

            It is similar to the requirement for labelling of GM foods and organic standards.

          • coldblow

            “Be rid of prohibition by edict.”

            Prohibit prohibition?

            Has this been tried successfully anywhere?

            “Provide counselling and addiction services and leave it at that.”

            I actually agree with you about some things, like freedom to home-school and the awful uselessness of the liberal agenda. But why waste money on ‘interventions’? Drugs and prostitution should simply be banned, like theft, assault and murder. I don’t know how you can think otherwise, or believe in the feverish imaginings of Essex’s Village Idiot. Conspiracy theories about the Fed are surely in the same class and airing them lowers the tone of the blog.

          • cooldude

            You actually lower the tone of this open blog with your “official opinions” but you never can back these up because you can’t or are just unable to.

            Which type of drugs do you want to “criminalize”
            Statins are now being shown in repeated studies to cause muscle wastage and mental decline. Should they be banned.

            ADHD drugs have consistently been taken by psychos who commit mass violence. Should they be banned?

            As regards the Fed they are officially a private institution with shareholders who are the commercial banks they are supposed to regulate. There is nothing new here just your ignorance of who these people actually are. They need to be shut down because they have failed badly.

            If you want to make a case for them stick to the facts and stop trying to personalize your arguments.

          • coldblow

            The poster I was telling you about recently got very attached to his alter egos. When I got one of them on the ropes other posters would come to his or her aid, giving the game away as I had never suspected them. Turned out in the end that they were nearly all of them in on it and yours truly was the ingénue who had wandered off the street into the middle of it all. I have come across his creations on Amazon and YouTube. I can’t prove anything of course and there is always the possibility that I’m the deluded one. Harmless fun.

          • Well of course you have standards to uphold and I am sorry I lower the tone to where you disapprove (in judgement again , are we?).

            There was a little over emphasis on using prohibit and edict in the same sentence. A edict used to ban or prohibit was the intention.

            As far as the machinations of the central bankers are concerned and the owners of the central banks(in many cases different entities) are concerned there is a ton of evidence to back it up.
            Go to GATA, gata.org and explore the 15 years of research there.

            There is only a conspiracy theory when there is lack of evidence that make the case for factual analysis and observation.

            You have an opinion that it it a theory but you have done no research or reading. You choose to disagree which is in turn a a non conspiracy theory without evidence. So be my guest and prove me wrong, do not just opine. What do you have to refute the evidence?

          • coldblow

            Finally, since you raised it, the extrovert (tablet insists on spelling it with an ‘o’) thing is really very strange. It is astonishing nobody has noticed it. Again, I could be deluded. In a say I wish I were as I rather liked the world I used to know. Still, the new one is fine once you get used to it.

          • coldblow

            I have been summoned to play scrabble. Yes, have you noticed how many gruesome and bestial murders have been committed under the influence of dope and prescribed anti del. drugs? ADHD is a myth, a case of behaviour being reified into a disease, like back ache becomes lumbago, which then ‘explains’ it. Look up Trudy Dehue, a Dutch psychologist if you can understand that language.

          • I never met a psychiatrist yet who did not have a personal problem to solve.

          • coldblow

            That should read prescribed anti depressant drugs. Next time there is a lone wolf, or even group, terrorist killing have a little dig around later to see if these or cannabis were a habit. It is very common. There is a lot of evidence that this ‘stimulant’ (as David calls it) can cause appalling mental illness in some people.

            You are right that big pharma are involved: they are behind the mis prescribing of drugs for depression, a huge growth industry. It has been persuasively argued that this started when psychiatrists, as medical doctors, began to boost their own status by using their powers of prescription. With the big (further) swing towards scientific materialism all behaviour is explained by nerves and brains and DNA. Religious faith is replaced by simplistic materialistic atheism while science is in a similar straight jacket. As you yourself knowv(I think) climate science is also in thrall to AGW ayatollahs. Politics and culture, as well as education and law and order, have been captured by pc absurdity.

            Now who wouldn’t look for a psychological explanation?

          • coldblow

            I’ve only ever met one psychiatrist. She works in Ireland now but was in the same class as my sister in the local St Trinians convent in s. London. I met her a few years ago and she agreed that grammar schools were the best. She had lived in a caravan with her dad as a girl.

        • sravrannies

          Hi Cooldude, couldn’t help but notice the ext-int. reference again. It tends to be a little more multifarious than the traditional definitions would have us believe. Read Quiet Revolution by Susan Cain. Don’t agree with everything but, some interesting insights and there is an economic slant to it as well. http://www.quietrev.com

          As for psychiatrists – you’d have to be a little bit nuts to do the job they do – I should know, I met enough of them. I would agree though that many of them, including psychologists, enter the profession because they identify with their own ‘shortcomings’. Nothing wrong with that. It’s the ones who don’t or won’t recognise their own limitations that cause trouble in society and the ones we should really be afraid of. They do say that half of all CEOs worldwide are psychopaths!


          • coldblow


            I think you meant me here – Tony raised the matter but it’s one of my hobby horses. (Cooldude as far as I can see is a nom de plume of Tony’s and I have never detected a separate personality since they both joined this site some years ago, at the very same time. I could be wrong but I have some experience in this area – I once unmasked a whole blogful of aliases – a major blog was populated by one clever and quite insane man.)

            Thanks for the link, I hadn’t thought ofr looking for a website of Susan Cain’s. There is a good discussion in there about how extraverts have to verbalize everything when they think about something. One poster writes about how her extravert daughter describes everything out loud when they see something new so she doesn’t get a chance to experience it herself – tell me about it.

            Cain’s book Quiet has some good insights as you say. I read it to see if anyone had cottoned on to what Dorothy Rowe wrote about. Rowe’s insight was that every couple she has ever dealt with consisted of one extravert and one introvert (I can spell these correctly as I am now back on my keyboard). The implications of this are huge, not least in that it allows you to more easily identify introverts and extraverts, something which is often difficult.

            Yesterday as it happened I had looked up an old YouTube video from Canal Once in Mexico discussing the subject. Three names were mentioned as examples of quiet intense introverts: Jobs, Gates and Einstein. In my opinion (close to certainty for the first two) these were were or are all extraverts. Cain mentions all or most of these and slao Gandhi as being introverts (he was I think an extravert). She also, again in my opinion, mistakes Orwell for an introvert, and she writes at length about Al Gore as being an introvert. This can be forgiven because Gore says he is himself. It was only when looking up AGW (global warming) that I decided to look up Gore again in view of some of the pronounced extravert traits he has, including credulously being fooled by a daft cult (warmism), exaggeration and, er, economy of truth. (Rowe points out that extraverts find deceit comes easily.)

            People can be confused by their own ‘vertism’ as it were. Extraverts don’t really know who they are which helps explain why they throw themselves so wholeheartedly into life. Introverts sometimes don’t know too, which puzzles me and I frankly think it stupid of them.

            By the way there is no continuum, even if Jung says so, or implies so. You are one or the other, otherwise how are the opposites always attracted? (I can confirm Rowe’s insight absolutely from my own experience.)

          • Codblow. You are a pompous blowhard. You are full of phoney psycho babble.
            “(Cooldude as far as I can see is a nom de plume of Tony’s and I have never detected a separate personality since they both joined this site some years ago, at the very same time. I could be wrong but I have some experience in this area – I once unmasked a whole blogful of aliases – a major blog was populated by one clever and quite insane man.)”

            Well now aren’t you a saint and and saving a blog from such nefarious characters. Unmasked now wouldn’t you know. Oh jeez he was clever and insane but I had the measure and exposed him.

            Cooldude is a far better presenter than me and yet you can’t tell us apart. Be jaze your slipping now and I really admired you there for a minute.

            You’r a dangerous person Coldblow. All opinion and no backup masquerading as knowledge. All psyco babble and no substance. A fraud in fact.

          • coldblow


            Let’s hear Cooldude’s response.

            Tony agrees with Cooldude and vice versa. Both think Chris Spivey, Essex’s own village idiot (yes, even the Idiot County has one), is a brilliant investigative journalist. On this thread for the first time Tony and Cooldude disagree! (‘Cooldude’: what kind of a name is that anyway? It’s like something dreamt up by a Chinese schoolboy.)

            ‘I actually disagree with Tony who has a free mind like myself.’

            Oh, that’s all right then. My mistake.

            The man on the other blog was *good* at it. You’d get a frisson from challenging him as you couldn’t always be sure, just acting on hunches and circumstancial evidence, and he was an expert denier. I even apologized to one of his creations but the moderator didn’t publish it, so I just carried on to the end of the list (99% of the posters on the blog). Then I left him alone.

            There was one twist in the story which was very funny and at my own expense. I might be able to tell it some day.

            This, however, is so daft I thought you’d laugh it off. I did have some doubts and still do, but the more you react like this the more I am convinced.

      • sravrannies

        I’ll blame the way this blog structures responses for getting the name wrong Coldblow and Cooldude/Tony Brogan — I’m kidding Tony. How am I going to explain this to my psychiatrist – she’ll have me committed!

        As regards Ext./Introversion I would suggest there is, not so much a Continuum/Spectrum but, there are certainly more shades than Black & White. Cain writes of Bill Gates:” “Bill Gates is never going to be Bill Clinton, no matter how he polishes his social skills, and Bill Clinton can never be Bill Gates, no matter how much time he spends alone with a computer.He’s also an example of someone who’s introverted without being shy, …Bill Gates is quiet and bookish, but apparently unfazed by others’ opinions of him: he’s an introvert, but not shy. On the flip side would be a shy Extrovert – the obvious example being Barbara Streisand.

        Now, where’s my medication!



        • coldblow


          Of course, everyone is different, and you can get introverted loudmouths and shy extraverts. The trouble is that this tells us nothing.

          Cain is, I think, careful in her book to say that she is talking about quiet people, or at least that’s what I understood her to mean (I read the French translation).

          The point I’m making (and it is crucial) is that there are only introverts and extraverts. It’s Dorothy Rowe’s point. It’s not like modern sexuality where you can now change your gender during the day according to your mood and there is an infinite (and daft) variety. How many varieties does Facebook now recognize? There are only the two and Cain shows how little she understands it that she thinks Gates is an introvert. He isn’t, he is an extravert.

          What you do in these instances, where it isn’t blindingly obvious at first glance (which it often isn’t), is look up the wife or partner, and then in turn their ex-spouses or those who they have had an affair with. I have never yet come across an exception to this rule and Rowe has said the same. I did this with Al Gore. According to Cain he is an introvert and Gore apparently even thinks so himself. Well, when I was reading about global warming I thought he was behaving very oddly for an introvert: problems with truth and honesty (as we can see from this thread, a prevalent extravert trait – they see it as harmless white lies), exaggeration, emotional reaction, opportunism (he has apparently made a fortune out of renewals and carbon taxing). Look up who Tipper Gore has hooked up with and trace back the ‘relationship tree’. Look at the photos of them. Then it becomes clear: Gore is an extravert. He has to be.

          To understand people and the world I am sure you have to know what you are dealing with. Be he shy or outgoing a person’s ‘orientation’ (ugly word but I’m in a hurry) has a profound effect on his views.

          Take David as an example. He is 100% politically correct. He even believes in the hilarious delusion that is AGW. The main reason for this is that he is an extravert. Can you see now why I think this is important? I got this insight (Rowe never did, as far as I can make out) originally from being on this blog.

          The interesting thing is that the most cogent critics of modern pc nonsense are themselves extraverts. I suspect, however, that when you look at these too, when you look hard at their opinions on everything you will find that at some point they are attached to received opinion, albeit at a deep level. I call this ‘extravert gravity’. This raises another interesting issue: what the hell are the introverts doing in all this? Why don’t they ‘step up to the plate’?

          If you are yourself an extravert, Peter, then I doubt you can fully understand this. Most people on blogs are extraverts. Introverts won’t want to accept it either: they have their own pet theories and think they know everything anyway.

  10. *02:20 Negative rates a dangerous experiment which undermines QE –
    The Telegraph’s Ambrose Evans-Pritchard cited Morgan Stanley calling negative interest rates policy (NIRP) a “dangerous experiment” that undermines QE rather than reinforcing it, and ultimately induces banks to shrink their loan books.
    AEP noted that NIRPis creating a false fear that central banks have run out ammunition and entrenching the deflation- trap by pulling down long-term bond yields.
    He highlighted that the one-year Euribor rate used in Spain to price floating mortgages is (0.012%), which is eating up the net interest margins of banks since they dare not charge depositors a fee.
    AEP cited Morgan Stanley adding that once negative rates fall below 0.2%, the damage to bank earnings goes “exponential” and ultimately endangers the whole system of free banking in Europe.
    * * * * *
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12160280/ Neg at
    ive-interest-rates-are-a-gigantic-fiscal- failure
    CB policy continues to fail

  11. No matter the el;action venue the politicians and promise to pay for the family farm or bail out the bankers. Clinton raises 145 million

    Posted Feb 18, 2016 by Martin Armstrong at Lemetropolecafe.com

    As of January 31st, Hillary has raised more money than anyone reaching $163.5 million. The question that comes to mind, is why would the big banks back Hillary when she pretends to be willing to curb their abuse? The answer lies in the fact of what she said at her Goldman Sachs’ speeches. One attendee said she sounded like a managing director at Goldman. This is why she will NEVER release any transcripts of her speeches. They would doom her candidacy.

    It was the Clinton Administration that did everything for the New York Bankers but perhaps kiss their feet. They allowed interstate banking and repealed Glass Steagall followed by handing the bankers all students on a silver platter eliminating their right to file bankruptcy. We would not be looking at the student loan crisis, “too big to fail”, and we certainly would not have had the boom in proprietary banking. So is it any wonder why the bankers are huge contributors to Hillary? They are buying their privileges as usual.

    Continued… https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/history/americas- economic-history/minneapoli
    s-fed-president-says- break- up- the-banks-reversing-clinton

  12. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJYLWbcjsg0&index=1&list=PLNwUWnJgSq_LsSyEjjIZEtrdUQFhgWWbN

    Physical demand overpowering paper manipulation. Gold up 200 since late December and is best performing asset YTD

  13. CorkPlasticPaddy

    Sorry, David, but anyone who goes away and votes for any of the candidates of the established political parties would want to be completely ‘off their rockers!’ Do you really want more of the same??? I certainly don’t and anyone with a grain of sense would do the likewise!! Where is this so called improvement everybody seems to be talking about? I haven’t felt any improvement in my situation and I’m sure there are countless others in my situation around the country.
    I’m on a fixed income that’s made up from a mixture of the State Invalidity Pension and an Occupational Pension. My spouse is classed as being a casual worker due to the fact that she doesn’t have regular hours and as well as that she works for an agency and along with other income from the renting out of a property our combined income amounts to a grand total of around €34500 annually. At least we don’t have the added millstone of we having a mortgage around our necks, which is of some relief.
    FF/FG coalition?? Tweedle dumb and Tweedle dumber if you want my opinion!!!

  14. Deco

    The elephant in the room, is the out of control, oversized, quagmire that is the state institutional morass.

    The ME principle.

    Money in. Excuses out.

    Nobody is responsible for anything. And it keeps getting bigger.

    The Irish left are almost unified in their insistence in feeding it, with larger and more outlandish commitments.

    RBB promises to have a state construction company. Other votes-4-free-stuff parties are promising free houses. This is nonsense in the context of the manner in which many people are suckered into mega-mortgages for being gullible to believe the media in the previous decade. And even today, mortgages are very heavy on working people.

    The more this campaign progresses, the more I am convinced that the political options are all morally irresponsible and lacking. In other words, they are all doing a Bertie Ahern, and promising “one for everybody in the audience”.

    This simply does not add up.

    I disagree with David’s enthusiasm for Donnelly. Donnelly, thinks that the Irish state should do like Bonaparte after Borodino – and press the entire resources of the state in another foray into an empty space, for elusivve objectives, when it has failed so abysmally on many previous occasions.

    I think Donnelly is deeply deluded. He promises the NHS here – but in Britain the NHS is now in crisis. [ not as bad as the HSE, but nonetheless in crisis].

    And now the political question – why is no single party brave enough to question what on all earth is happening in the Irish institutional state, that it needs to take so much money from the population in return for ……failure ?

    We are talking about the elephant in the room in term of economics and politics.

    And not a solitary word from any of the political leaders.

    The Irish institutional state is so politically powerful, that it cannot be economically reformed.

    It is also so economically overstretched that it cannot possibly be expanded.

    Yet this is exactly what liars like Gerry Adams, and assorted Trotskyites like Paul Murphy, are promising.

    This election campaign is a farce of epic proporitions, with stupidity and dishonesty on display.

  15. survivalist

    Two wrongs won’t make it right. Either or both these parties will just do the same old same old. And I can’t see where in the article the reason WHY FF/FG would work for us- other than to consolidate power in the status quo.

    Worse again is the thought that people could ever seriously contemplate returning FF or believe that they have been ‘reformed’ enough to allow their return to the scene of the crime!

    FG have done exactly noting differently and by way of social/economic ideology these organisations are inseparable. What after all, did FG do that FF would not have and how would we recognise this political difference?

    In my opinion voting Independents are the only and hopefully the future way forward. Despite the usual (propagandist?) parading of Mr Wallace TD as representative of Independent candidates this is flatly misleading. So too the mainstream caricature of Mr Flanagan TD. His advocating for legalising ‘pot’ is a red herring.

    Now imagine (for simplicity sake) that each constituency elected only 1 TD. And if each constituency returned a (genuinely) Independent TD, then their collective assembly would make it apparent that for once the people who elected these TDs are the dominant ‘lobbyist’ group.

    These TDs would then engender participatory democracy by necessity defer to the peoples considered judgement on state policy –the local councils would inevitably assume much more important roles and centralised power dissolved and Europe noting more than a tourism opportunity.

    The realisation that the people of Offaly for example don’t REALLY care about fishing quotas, but it is a hot topic in Donegal has larger parallels in that Etterbeek REALLY cannot dictate to Roscommon on Cloonchambers Bog near Castlerea.

  16. Deco

    The EU has idiots in charge.

    Everything that they touch ends up being a disaster.

    EK is making an ass of himself saying he hopes Britain never gets free of this monopoly on (mostly flawed) decision-making that is the EU.

    If he had an independent mind (which I doubt) he would say that he wishes that his neighbour makes the best decision in the interests of his neighbour.

    But groupthink (termed “consensus”) is prevalent in the EU empire state project. This means that everybody must think the same. Again, we have been here before. It was what occurred in the Soviet Bloc. The leader of the DDR always agreed with the Politburo in Moscow. The DDR boss rarely agreed with Bonn, in comparison – even though that was where the connection was strongest.

  17. joebrolly

    Thats the first article i read on here that doesnt seem motivated by a need to generate interest by causing controversy. Whilst it may do this anyway the logic is sound – Fine Gael n Fianna Fail basically represent the same electorate – loss of control of our currency restricts the governments levers on the economy

  18. Deco

    Concerning your question on Brexit, and the Irish Times/RTE view of staying loyal to the politburo in Brussels.

    Well, it will be good for Ireland, if Ireland also exits.

    If only we could have stayed out of the Euro-zone. We would have “missed” the Trichet monetarism mania, which resulted “boom & bust”.

    Britain would be better off without the EU. The EU might be forced to reform itself.

    The EU is a monopoly on decision making. Much of that decision making is nonsensical.

    As a problem solving entity the EU has failed. And will continue to fail. In fact it is now creating far more problems than it can solve.

    Britain does not need such an expensive, unaccountable, problematic millstone around it’s neck.

    And neither does Ireland.

    But the Irish poltical establishment as it is currently constructed need it.

  19. Deco

    The next governing coalition will be a merger of the previous two governing coalitions. Well, maybe the GP (detestable) will not make it.

    And they will serve the Politburo Commission in Brussels. The Irish people will be disregarded for another few years.

    It is not the personalities in the competing cliques that will mandate this. And definitely not the people.

    It is the manner in which power and wealth are controlled in the institutional state.

    FF/FG/GP/LP are far more afraid of independents/Renua/The Social Democrats, threatening to tell the people what is going on in the institutional state, than they are of each other.


    They will all agree on the need to run a centralized state system, that distributes priveleges to party members, their pals, and aligned vested interests.

    In 5 years time, SF ( thugs with electoral policies ) will be a serious threat to civil society in this country.

    Unless the gardai and state secturity get serious about the level of crime, law breaking and sheer nastiness that exists in certain sections of Irish society.

    • Deco

      The next great challenge to civil society will be in respect of the gardai.

      There are powerful gangs that everybody fears.

      There is a mafia organization along the border that has political influence in Kildare Street.

      Our border controls are useless.

      And there are ISIS and Al Qaeda sympathisers living on welfare, whilsts their most prominent idea-maker is living off institutional largesse.

      At some point the US Embassy in Ballsbridge will tell Kildare Street to stop behaving like children, and to instead grow up.

      Otherwise the goose that lays the golden egg will go elsewhere.

  20. http://www.linkedin.com/shareArticle?mini=true&url=https://www.directdemocracyireland.ie/

    Direct democracy is there. Why not open up the debate for this new citizens initiate to provide an alternate party that will free its members to act as independent representatives on behalf of its constants.

    The old line parties are scathed by the people and yet they look for nothing further.

    What are the opinions of this august body of commentators.

  21. http://www.linkedin.com/shareArticle?mini=true&url=https://www.directdemocracyireland.ie/

    Direct democracy is there. Why not open up the debate for this new citizens initiate to provide an alternate party that will free its members to act as independent representatives on behalf of its constituents.

    The old line parties are scathed by the people and yet they look for nothing further.

    What are the opinions of this august body of commentators.

  22. Something weird about the system here that it double posted.

  23. Direct Democracy Ireland is a registered political party because to enter the current system in a credible way, it must do so. Direct Democracy Ireland use the term ‘political process’ to describe the group because members of Direct Democracy Ireland, deplore the reality of party political systems and will not operate as conventional political parties, i.e. the party whip system forcing members to follow ‘party line’. —Web site comment

  24. “Direct Democracy Ireland who recently joined with the National Citizens Movement have 18 candidates in 16 constituencies. ”

    There is alternative choice to make a difference.

  25. The founding principles of DDI a National Citizens Movement will forever ensure the people hold the power
    The “FIRR” of freedom
    Freedom: from the antidemocratic party whip system: We will abolish the party whip system so your representative can actually represent YOU and not simply have to do whatever he/she is told.
    Initiative: We will reinstate a citizen initiated referendum petition process whereby 100,000 signatures will require the government to hold a referendum on the issue raised. This was the case until this power was in our view illegally removed from the people in 1937
    Referendum: We will rejuvenate and revitalise the referendum process to ensure it is free from government and other bias , and for initiated referendums it will ensure the question asked is the one the citizens want asked.
    Recall: We will introduce a process of recall where any politician can be removed from office, at any time, for any reason . States which have introduced this rarely need to use it, because the politicians work hard and to their mandate. This will ensure the citizen initiated referendums are enacted.
    These four co-dependent “cornerstones” are the foundation on which we will build a successful, fair and just nation for all, with efficient, responsive and accountable government of the people, by the people, for the people

  26. What are DDI’s policies?
    DDI intends, if elected, to do the following
    1. Call a referendum on a constitutional amendment to Bunreacht na hEireann to re-introduce provisions for direct democracy.
    2. Launch a full independent, international legal review of the bailout, which we hold to be an odious debt and illegal under international law.
    DDI believe that under international law and the Lisbon treaty bailouts are illegal. It is illegal for a government to sell the birthright of a nation. The bailout is also unconstitutional under Bunreacht na hEireann article 6 which states:
    All powers of government, legislative, executive and judicial, derive, under God, from the people, whose right it is to designate the rulers of the State and, in final appeal, to decide all questions of national policy, according to the requirements of the common good.

  27. https://www.directdemocracyireland.ie/pdf/manifesto.pdf

    It is time to join a political party who does not do business as usual. Make your voice heard in the dissent of the old line parties. demand the new voices be heard. Write your local paper. Go to meetings. Talk to your candidates. Here is an opportunity not to be missed who’s time has come.

  28. David is it not time that you included the full spectrum analysis of what is available to be voted for in this election. Why not mention DDI.

  29. ?It is an honour and a privilege to lead Direct Democracy Ireland into the 2016 General Election, potentially the most important General Election in the history of this state. A role, I have accepted with humility, excitement and with a profound sense of duty. I joined Direct Democracy Ireland because of what I believed it can do for our country, and more than ever I believe that Direct Democracy provisions are the only future safeguards for Irish Citizens.
    We, in Direct Democracy Ireland have faced many challenges on our journey to date, but we all share a common vision for our country, and while we are all firm in our objectives, we will be flexible in our approach so as to encourage the People of Ireland, individually and groups, our fellow political parties and others to strive to implement a policy of returning the provisions of Direct Democracy to our Nations Constitution.
    With the objective and vision of a Direct Democracy system being held in common with the National Citizens Movement and ourselves and alongside many like-minded ideas for better Governance, it is with great pleasure that I announce the joining of the two groups into one political force that will be known as Direct Democracy Ireland (a National Citizens Movement). Our ever increasing membership is a reflection of the hard work and dedication of the members of this Great and exciting new movement. Not since the Civil war have the People of Ireland come together to forge a new way forward, for a real and meaningful change from a system that has concentrated power that has always been controlled by an elite few to the detriment of Irish Society and its people at large. We look forward to a bright future where political and democratic power ultimately rests with the People of Ireland.
    We are a new Political movement, we are young, but we are strong, we will stay the course and strive to improve by learning from the past and collectively building from a firm foundation upon which we will create together real change for our Nation and our People’s future.
    Direct Democracy Ireland (a National Citizens Movement) must concentrate its focus on the welfare of the People of Ireland, with particular attention to the most vulnerable in our society who have been abandoned by successive Governments and who have to endure the harshest austerity measures ever experienced by the people of this country.
    Due to uncertainty regarding the makeup of future governments, the possibility of various coalitions, there is no guarantee any party will be able to fulfill their election promises. The only way for the public to have legislation implemented directly and for the general public to modernise our constitution is by Direct Democracy which is very successful in other countries. A finding of the Irish Constitution convention, by a large margin of 83%, was to support a call for a referendum on returning Direct Democracy to our Constitution. Direct Democracy Ireland (a National Citizens Movement) will present to the People of Ireland a genuine and realistic alternative to the current system of governance in this General Election of 2016.
    We will work with our critics who obviously understand the Provisions of Direct Democracy but choose to snipe from a distance. Direct Democracy Ireland (a National Citizens Movement) will always be willing to form alliances with others if it’s in the common good of the people in order to set about real and meaningful change.
    Our drive is born of a determination to achieve a society of equals, a society that encourages collective decision making, and a society that empowers the People of Ireland and gives them a system of Government that is based on transparency and accountability and has the ability to deliver a better future for all. An Irish Society based on the needs of our community not on the economy, ultimately a drive to empower our Society to create an effective form of self-determination by having the ability to defend ourselves from those who may wish to enslave us.
    A vote for a Direct Democracy Ireland A National Citizens Movement Candidate is a Vote for Direct Democracy, A New Democracy, and A stronger Ireland.
    Pat Greene
    Direct Democracy Ireland (a National Citizens Movement), Leader

  30. To adhere to the principle of personal sovereignty and freedom of choice DDI must pursue a fully inclusive health strategy that does not restrict or bar health treatment choices and embraces conventional western medicine, natural medicine and alternative healing methods, as well as the right not to participate in prescribed medicine.

    From the DDI Manifesto

  31. Through our own efforts and many others on social media our society is becoming acutely aware of an untouchable elite in this country whose sphere of influence spreads across government, senior civil service, the legal profession, banking, and corporate interests, including media. The message that the people receive is a carefully constructed one designed to limit the scope of debate within the parameters beneficial to the interests of the ruling group. Alternative solutions that threaten the power of the elite and might actually work in the interests of the population as a whole are generally not allowed to even discuss in the main stream media. The likes of our own Ben Gilroy and Anthony Connor have successfully supported people in the courts for years now, but this gets little or no mention. In DDI we will give an airing to all possible solutions from all sections of society without fear or favour, each investigated on its merits, not on hearsay, nor government spin.(DDI Manifesto)

  32. By Direct Democracy Ireland

    It has become very clear in the last few decades that our financial system is broken, though not broken for all, just the vast majority of us. The way it is set up requires continuous growth just to simply pay the debt from which it creates money for itself. Money is effectively created from nothing but enables itself to benefit some through interest. It then exchanges the interest on “nothing” for something. For real assets like, Land, Industry, Natural resources- or our decades of hard labour.
    This system has an inherent flaw; it creates unsustainable “growth” rates which then cause inevitable oscillation through boom/ bust cycles.
    It effectively manages and provides for control of the flow of true wealth- from the many who create it through their labours- into the hands of the few who control the issuance of money. This system has enslaved the majority of the people of the world over the last 250 years; replacing slavery by force with debt slavery. We know this system must end.
    To many people it may seem odd to call for a default on debts forced upon us or for an exit from the eurozone- Most people don’t want to consider either of these options for fear of the unknown. The thing is we are making no real economic progress despite enduring so much Austerity. The astonishing part is, as it is clear for all to see, that successive Governments and EU think-tanks have misdiagnosed the problem; in Ireland our current economic problems did not start with the bank guarantee, they have their roots embedded in the catastrophic decision to join a unified currency with our European neighbours without any consistency in financial or economic policy, and without any mandate from any of the peoples of Europe including Ireland, to do so.
    For you consideration here we pose three reasons why Ireland (that is, the PEOPLE of Ireland) should consider leaving the euro-zone
    The eurozone has always given us interest rates that benefit the private bank-for-profit that is the ECB, but which are very unfavourable to our financial state of affairs (eg; Between 1997 and 2007 the Rates were too low; since 2008 they have been too high. Resulting in an Irish domestic economy that has gone from a decade of living to now just Surviving. To adopt suitable interest rates for Ireland we must restore economic sovereignty to the people of Ireland, and this inevitably means reissuing a new Punt or similar- linked if the people wish with an appropriate rather than an inappropriate currency eg; Sterling, the Dollar, or Chinese Juan, etc.
    By handing over control of our finances to Frankfurt- that is effectively the unelected people running the ECB- we lost all control here in Ireland. That means that finance policies which have been successful in the US and the UK such as quantitative easing is denied here in Ireland when we need it- it is only considered when it suits Frankfurt and the ECB. Although these countries have debt problems they have suffered far less economic stress than we have, to follow the US and the UK in that regard we must seize back control or our finances from Frankfurt and the private bankers.
    By leaving the Euro we could gain back control of our currency (the physical money) to find a new and lower level that will be much more likely to stimulate economic growth and much needed employment: In normal circumstances when a country suffers a severe economic downturn, its currency will drop and so soften the blow to absorb some of the recessions deflationary effects. The result of such a currency drop also makes the country’s exports and tourism product more competitive. But, in the exact opposite of what you might wish for, since 2007 our currency the euro has risen – not fallen – by 25% against sterling. If we do the sums on current exchange rates we can compute that an old Punt would be now worth £1.05 sterling. This is a VERY alarming high exchange rate.
    Direct Democracy Ireland will fight for a society that is fairer; a society using sound Irish-decided fiscal policy paid for using money issued within Ireland by an organisation working solely for the people of Ireland. We will end money that is created out of debt, and create a system where wealth doesn’t trickle up through interest and unearned income and profiteering, a monetary system based on real value. Only then will we see the end of the recently snowballing unsustainable wealth divide and the endemic bankruptcy that is built into the system we currently use.
    A common complaint about representative democracy is that it creates a distant class of law-makers who will often collude with vested interests, or become so detached from the lives of the general public, that they will make decisions that the public do not support. By contrast, in a Direct Democracy system, such corruption of decision-making is impossible if every citizen is an equally powerful participant in the process.
    In Direct Democracy Ireland we will do more than this to guarantee your power. We will
    1) reinstate the power of Citizen Initiated Referendum allowing YOU to create new law or policy, and to overturn bad law or policy
    2) give freedom to your elected representative to do what you want, unfettered by party whips- an antiquated system which is fundamentally anti-democratic
    3) ensure YOU have the power by allowing you to Recall (sack, remove) a TD, minister or indeed a Taoiseach, anytime, for any reason- so if they go bad, or are useless, YOU can pull the plug on them. Not once every five years, but ALL THE TIME.
    These things, combined then with an updated process of democratic involvement and referendum whereby the people debate topics of importance to the people, and then decide which direction the country will take- these four things become the cornerstones of a true democracy. One which is effectively incorruptible. Of the people, by the people, for the people.

    • coldblow

      I looked up DDI on Wiki and Wiki doesn’t like them, which is something in their favour. It links them to right wing Christians, oddballs and water protestors, which is again in their favour.


      The wikipedes then say that DDI don’t believe the govt should legislate on the X case but rather ask the people what they think. The implication is that DDI are populist, which is Bad. They also say DDI are racist because someone told English auctioneers of Dublin property to ‘go home’. If it’s racism then that’s Bad too. The wikipedes also say that DDI were reported to the Guards because of funding irregularities.

      • Go and talk to real people and review the web site,\. Attend a few meetings. See who associates. TPTB are afraid of solid ideas or an independent minded people. All your comments above are supposition based on zero experience.
        After you meet a few people and talk to them and ask the awkward questions then report back what you think of the response.

      • coldblow

        One thing is for sure. David won’t like DDI.


  33. A different approach to the financial malise…

    By Bix Weir

    1) Computer programs control/rig all markets 100% of the time.

    2) Electronic assets and debts will be destroyed when the big banks fail.

    3) The US is hiding vast deposits of Gold in the ground for future use.

    4) The US is purposefully destroying the value of Federal Reserve Notes.

    5) There is much more Gold above ground than you are being told.

    6) Silver is so important it is considered a top US National Security issue.

    7) The US removed market regulations to destroy the big banks.

    8) The US Mint is stockpiling gold and silver coins for use as money.

    9) The corrupt leaders in the US are soon to be replaced.

    10) Secrets and hidden technologies will soon be revealed to the people.

    The facts behind this financial conspiracy are all outlined and proven by Bix Weir.

    Come see for yourself by clicking here:

    “The Road to Roota Theory
    http://w ww.roadtoroota.com/public/190.cfm

  34. Mike Lucey

    I’m with your thinking Tony regarding Direct Democrocy.

    With current technology there is no reason I can see as to why ‘We the People’ need political parties. They have had there day when it was not possibly to obtain an quick decision from the ‘People’.

    I can see the current party system running for a few more years as the pre internet citizens fade out. It will be the younger Internet generation that will put direct democracy into effect as they will see it as simply a common sense system.

    Sent from my iPhone sitting on a sunny deck in Auckland. Who would have thought such would have been possible 50 years ago!!!

    • StephenKenny

      Gene Roddenberry

      • Mike Lucey

        Yep Stephen, you have me there. But wasn’t Star Trek back in 1966 looked on as very much science fiction? Point taken though.

    • And I received your email sitting on my boat in Port Browning on Pender Island after a terrific 12 mile race with seven other boats for a “friendly” race. We will pup fest tonight and sail back tomorrow. Great fun.

      I wonder who else will look at let alone vote for DDI. No other comment forthcoming

  35. mike flannelly

    Voted FG in 2007 & 2011 expecting change of culture. How fecking innocent was I?
    Deco labels it 100% when he calls the whole system “THE IRISH INSTITUTIONAL STATE”.
    I dont agree that its too powerful to challenge though.
    Irish economists should be challenging the FINANCIAL RESOURCE WASTE of our health system. The HSE have 50% more nurses than the NHS yet still clog up a&e, obstruct the ambulance services and NOBODY IN IRELAND SHOUTS STOP. Nobody in the Irish Institutional State has to be accountable. Two extra days holidays for OUR MEMBERS are one of the solutions.

    Unfunded lump sum pensions for the state insiders while the needs of the sickest children in Ireland require charity.

    We are cursed with WEAK journalism that holds nobody to account. On six one news feb 19th(rte player) Sharon and David Murphy talked about mortgage arrears and reposessions. Irish people just have to make a few mortgage payments then sit back pretty and pay nothing Sharon tells us. GREAT BANK SPIN BIAS SHARON on mortgage arrears in my oponion.
    Why do our journalists not mention interest only restructures or industry best practice split mortgages for grossly overvalued debt and a solution for Irish bank customers with WORST practice debt ratios ?
    1. What METHOD did INTELLIGENT PROFESSIONAL IRISH BANKERS use for valuing the “DEBT” on Land Banks, apartments and houses between 2006 and 2009? After 2010 the debt on land banks in Ireland was written down by up to 90%.
    2. Did INTELLIGENT PROFESSIONAL Irish Bankers earning up to 2 million euro a year carry out an Asset Quality Review before they told Brian Lenihan that their banks were solvent?
    3. Did INTELLIGENT PROFESSIONAL Irish Bankers earning up to 2 million euro a year use “True And Fair Override” when they told Brian Lenihan that their banks were solvent?

    Sharon and David really need to ask the CORE bank questions that the dogs on the street are asking.

    State pensions and lump sum payments above the contributory pension that are not based on contributions are UNCONSTITUTIONAL. The economic management council of Ireland are ignoring the pension apartheid. Are politicians elected to represent the greater public good just representing select citizens? They ignore the oecd reports on pension bias. Golden pensions are the red line/fuel for UNCONSTITUTIONAL POLITICS.

    Where are the journalists to QUESTION UNCONSTITUTIONAL POLITICS ?

    Estonia had “The Singing Revolution” between 1986 and 1991.

    Ireland needs a
    “2016 Constitutional Questions Revolution”

    This is where ALL politicial decisions made(past and present) must serve the greater public good and not just the Institutional Irish State as is the case at present.

    All health care decisions must be constitutional. The customer comes FIRST.
    All pensions and lump sums above the standard contributory pension must be linked to contributions. Constitutional pension system.
    Overvalued Bank Debt must be restructured. ECB to provide 0% financial back up for banks to do so. Irish economists cant talk out two sides of their mouths about consumer confidence plus multiplier effects and on the other hand ignore overvalued debt requiring restructures, unfair variable rates(4000 euro extra yr for 200000 mortgages) and consumer laws required to help a sustainable domestic economy. Basically we need an END to UNFAIR BARGAINING POWER enjoyed by Irish Banks that are stifiling a sustainable domestic economy.

    The “2016 CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTIONS REVOLUTION ” requires Fair Minded Independent high profile economists and journalists to lead the way.

    An end to a health system that serves itself ahead of our sick.
    An end to pension bias apartheid and let every citizen fund their own pension above the contributory level.
    An end to a banking system that names its own profits and sells products that dont meet the needs and objectives of bank customers.
    Enforce consumer laws to promote consumer confidence.
    Basically reintroduce a REAL VALUE SYSTEM.

    • Deco


      thanks for the commentary.

      The political parties all want to increase the level of power and control of the centralized state over the lives of the people. They all sell the idea that they will use ths to improve matters for voters. And they are all selling the idea that they will deliver results with that power.

      And I have a question – how come the results are so abysmal, given the ridiculous power and control that the state already has ?

      Who do they honestly think they are fooling ?

      The manner in which the state uses it’s powers to thieve money from those that toil, to reqward those that speculate is particularly immoral, and obscene.

      Renua promise to take this from Brussels, rather than the D4 banks.

      That is no difference to the poor slobs who gets commandeered into this racket.

      The purpose of the HSE has been to bailout the main brewiing oligarchy from having the clean up the societal wrecking that occurs from Ireland’s alcohol problem.

      If you want to improve Ireland, go off the beer, and switch off the TV. That is a good place to start.

      Watch the next few months, as a relentless message is thumped into people to do the opposite for the empty patriotism that comes from grwownups following a plastic lump around a pitch for two hours.

      Utterly juvenile behaviour, to which adults are instructed to conform.

      • They are fooling 90% of people Deco which will be enough to get them re-elected.

        If you are a so-called ‘adult’ and follow their “instructions to conform” then you are an eejit and you get everything you deserve.

    • Deco

      The media in this country are mainly in the business of avoiding telling the people what is going on.

      Google “Joe McAnthony” to get they picture. And things are much worse now than in the 1970s. Much worse.

  36. McCawber

    You are a gas lot.
    Well some of you anyway.
    The EU is not an irreversible entity.
    The CBs are not irreversible entities.
    For those reasons alone it is very important to maintain our own system of Government.
    To even suggest that our democratically elected government is irrelevant is to empower or embolden the likes of Sutherland and Jonker.
    So get out there and vote even if it is only on a least worst basis.
    Some day and it may be sooner than we think we may be damn glad that we can say NO to being dictated to enelected entities like the EU and or ECB.
    Bear in mind this simple fact.
    We still have access to our local representives. They live amongst us.
    Never diminish that access by being dismissive of it.
    Because the EU and ECB don’t want us to think that we can make a difference by speaking up for ourselves.

  37. mike flannelly

    Very hard to find the least worst canditates in Ireland to vote for.
    I would prefer to pay one or two percent more tax for REAL VALUE SERVICES.
    Not to appease the vulgar appetite of health care unions that DEMAND twice the budgets of other countries for a worse third world standard service.
    Not towards golden pensions for charity fundraisers who are an extra layer of wasted financial resources. 100% of the needs of sick children should come from the tax system.
    There is no big magic pot for the bias pension apartheid DEMANDS of Irelands plastic lefties.

    Are RENUA promising to follow constitutional politics ?
    Real Value health service?
    Real Value pension resources for ALL citizens?
    Whats the bottom line with their flat tax plan?

    440 bn black hole in the state pension purse that cant fund non funded pensions for select insider citizens.

    AIB, BOI and TSB are admitting that they have 40bn between them in non performing loans. This could be 60bn because there is a history of inaccurate financial reporting with Irish banks. That means that we need to park the interest payments of 30 bn for 25yrs if we are to provide industry best practice split mortgage restructures for this grossly overvalued debt.

    Irish Bank shares will continue to fall until REAL VALUE is brought back into the system.

    Talk is cheap. Bank share confidence will only return when REAL VALUE is reintroduced into the Irish domestic economy.

    I want to vote for constitutional policies.

    WHO ?

    • Mike Lucey

      Vote for a candidate that is non party provided you go along with the majority their policies. The chances are they won’t be elected but if they are you at least on showing them that you voted for them can pressure them to adhere to what they campaigned on.

      How to show you voted for them? Take a selfie (click muted) with the completed ballot paper in ink, I don’t trust pencil. Oh! Just remembered that it may be illegal to do that now but isn’t what you do behind the voting screen private? How would anyone know? If they claimed so they would be breaking the law I imagine.

    • McCawber

      Try a bit harder then.
      For a start. Eliminate on the least wirst case ideology..
      As Sherlock Holmes would put it.
      When you have eliminated all other possibilities then that which is left no matter how unpalatable is etc etc.

  38. Mike Lucey

    Looks like Enda has again insulted Irish citizens that probably are under severe pressure by referring to them as ‘champion’ whingers and this was directed at his own constituents. I feel it could be something like this that could well turn the tide against him personally.

    He seems to forget that once elected as a TD he has a responsibility to represent and respect ALL his constituents.

    I find that it’s normally the compromise choice party leaders that become foolishly arrogant with the exception of Jack Lynch, a gentleman, although that’s all I can say about him.

    I think FG, LP, FF and SF have party leaders that simply do not measure up to what most folks would expect a party leader to be. More the reason to work slowly towards Direct Democracy and then there won’t be a requirement for a ‘leader’ only a temporary spokesperson speaking on our behalf also doing what we have ‘directly’ instructed him / her to do.

  39. “It’s Time to Kill the $100 dollar Bill.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/0 2/16/its-time-to-kill-the-100-bill/

    This is the “policy makers” latest attempt to save their precious banking system from imploding. Currently there are fears of bank runs in Europe. If they manage to get rid of paper money entirely, people won’t be able to make withdrawals from banks, only credit or debit card purchases, deposits, and transfers. So as usual, the burden of the rescue will fall on private citizens as banks and governments “bail in” their depositors’ and citizens’ life savings will be sacrificed in the impending banking crisis; but this isn’t how academics on both sides of the Atlantic are selling the idea. —Mark Lundeen

  40. You are a waste of time Coldblow.

    Enough , is enough.

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