Private debt so enormous that default is only option

January 25, 2012


When all the people you read every week for information are talking about the same report, you know that you should read it. From Paul Krugman on the left to John Mauldin on the right, some of my favourite reads of the week are citing a McKinsey Consulting report on global debt.

Reading through it, one chart jumped out at me. Have a look at the chart. Yes, the one accompanying this article. It is taken from data of the Bank of International Settlements. It shows just how much debt the Irish economy is carrying. What it tells you is that Ireland is the most indebted country in the world. When compared with Greece, Ireland is carrying more than two-and-a-half times more debt. We are twice as indebted as Portugal.

This deterioration happened when we were members of the euro. When we borrowed hand over fist from German and British banks in particular.

The implication of this figure is that the Irish economy has to grow six times faster than the interest rate charged on this debt in order for the overall debt burden to remain stable. Assuming that the rate of interest — even with all the negotiations — is 4pc. This means that the Irish economy would have to grow by 24pc next year, just to ensure that the debt/GDP ratio stays stable.

Much is made of the government debt –which remains enormous — but the real problem seems to be the debt held by the banks or the financial institutions and the debts built up by Ireland Inc, as well as the debts which we, the people, incurred in the boom.

The implication of this for the next few years — if we try to pay this money back — is that the huge outflow from the economy every year will amount to just over €30bn — that’s at an interest rate of 4pc. Quite how we can cope with this is anyone’s guess.

So it is time to get real. There is little or no hope of this money being paid back in total. In fact, the least of our worries is the government debt when you consider the size of the private sector, corporate and banking debts.

In terms of default, conventional wisdom suggests that Ireland should not default on its sovereign debt. This is a persuasive argument and we — the Irish citizens — should probably go along with it.

But when it comes to the private debts, whether it’s the debt you might be carrying on the house you bought in the boom, or a company’s debts or even the debts of the financial system, the iron rule of capitalism needs to be applied.

This rule says that in order to get out of the debt mess, the lenders and the borrowers must pay. Given what the data is telling us, it is amazing that the line has been held for so long, without massive default. Indeed, what is more amazing still is that the national narrative has been dictated for so long by the lenders who, having lent the various players in the country over 600pc of income, are clearly the villains in this story. If anyone wants evidence of reckless lending, there it is straight in front of your eyes.

At the moment, the Irish Government is reading from the creditors’ script, trying to wrangle a few euro out of them and being apologetic in the process while resorting to sound bites like “who would lend to us?”

The problem with these type of debt numbers is that the people who are lending to us are only facilitating the payments of other creditors. So the money they are lending now is being stuffed recklessly down into a hole of debt and all it is doing is creating yet another pyramid scheme and yet more dependency.

For example, this includes the Anglo €1.25bn, which is being paid (pathetically) today. This is just adding to the mountain of debt, which is already built up, because we are just adding more and more debt to the huge financial burden to pay for this existing liability.

Can you see how this is yet another pyramid scheme? It is the inverse of the credit pyramid scheme in the boom — which couldn’t last. It is a debt pyramid scheme where the likelihood of getting out at the top, is based on how much more debt we stuff into the bottom of the pyramid.

We are not the only country facing this dilemma, but our situation is by far the most precarious. The whole of the West is dealing with the consequences of the credit boom. Most countries are condemned to years of debt repayment, rebuilding their balance sheets and increasing savings. This is termed deleveraging.

In Ireland, given the magnitude of the debt, it is very clear to me that only a fraction of this household and corporate debt will be actually paid off. The figures scream default.

Take a typical Irish case where a business — like a local convenience store — borrowed €4m to build a few retail units and a few apartments in the boom on a turnover of €700,000. The bank lent the money and everyone clapped the “entrepreneur” on the back.

Today, turnover is €450,000 but the development can’t sell for more than €1m. Even if they could find a buyer, at €1m, where will they get the money to pay the rest of the €3m outstanding?

They won’t. So the hit will be taken by the bank that lent the cash. Then the bank has a default problem. This is what is happening all over the country. This presages massive defaults on an ongoing basis.

There are two ways you can get out of debt. One is that you can work your way out over years and years. This is the “right” thing to do. But sometimes, when the weight of debt is just too heavy, it is impossible. I fear that this is the case for Ireland, irrespective of how certain parts of the economy — for example the export sector — are moving. It is just not possible, without inflation, to pay this debt in full.

We have been told this week that a “bomb” would go off if the Anglo debt were to be defaulted on today. That is nonsense. The bomb has already gone off. It went off when all this lending was incurred and every time someone got more into debt, a further little device detonated, creating the economic wasteland we walk in.

Before you finish, take a look at the chart again. Examine the numbers for Ireland and you tell me if there is possibly another way out of this?




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  1. Grey Fox says:

    The opportune time will surely be missed with our parocial politicians more likely to be at the grand opening of another Spar shop or at the funeral of some very nice person they never met but lived in the consituency.
    Even more likely to happen when your local TD is also the Undertaker.

  2. thekid says:

    hey,
    debate, intellect, noise, result or lack of?
    lets look at Argentina 2001? Iceland? what Soros did in Asia in the late 90′s
    They can’t name the bondholders but the can comment that they debt was sold on?
    Logic? What hedgie would take the risk? in the last 3 years? was there a market for this type of debt/bond? Is there a market even now?
    If the corporates in Ireland paid tax at 30% would the numbers ever add up?
    FF/FG/LP/SF like any Irish entity over the last 700 years we have always had a price? Shameful as it is to admit.
    Dance with that lovely German lady or the Oxfordshire Toff? Has the Central Bank printed those PUNTS?
    The debate/insight on this forum second to none, but we are the results end of the discussion, now bored of the noise/agendas trapped in nearly 100 years of insecurity, I would love to see the/our Ireland 2015, 2020 scenario or how we might potentially get to it?

  3. Grey Fox says:

    Take back our country, grow our own food,(instead of paying farmers not to), develop our resources, (imagine that prospecting rig of Dalkey with a big “Harp” on the side of it), maximise out wind, wave power, use our own forests, educate our children in sustainable living and professions which endure, forget about Casino Economics, don’t worry about more and more profit, we will profit anyway.
    Whats left after we take care of our own, trade overseas. Retain our young brilliant minds and the outside world will come to us. Press the reset button.

    • Adam Byrne says:

      Fine words Grey Fox but we just aren’t capable of it.

    • Eireannach says:

      You want reset Grey Fox? Read about the draft Personal Insolvency Bill, published yesterday.

      It’s all about people resetting by filing for bankruptcy. Discharge period proposed is 3 years. But the Irish people hold onto “their” over-valued, tanking property like drowning sailors who can’t swim. They are fanatically tenacious and won’t let go.

      This emotional attachment is as utterly far from a fresh “reset” mentality as it is possible to be. The Irish have been clinging and clinging and they will continue to cling and cling as their huge salaries gradually deflate to EU average levels.

      • redriversix says:

        Eireannach…

        I like you,don’t get me wrong,but is their the slightest possibility of you getting laid soon ? as you are starting to make me look very calm !

        • Eireannach says:

          Once I mention the Personal Insolvency Bill you get stressed out?

          Something you’d like to share with RE: your personal finances RR6?

          • redriversix says:

            Eh hello…….where have you been ?

            everybody knows I lost millions including my home !

            This is how I have so much wonderful experience to share with others !

        • Colin says:

          You badly need a job redriversix, because your continued unhealthy interest in other poster’s sex lives is not something David I guess is interested in seeing posted. What can you do? What are you qualified as? What are you experienced in? Let’s all show the same interest in getting you hired as you have in Eireannach getting laid.

          • redriversix says:

            your a very attractive man Colin,don’t think I haven’t noticed !

            What do you need,? I solve problems.

            Best

            RR6

          • redriversix says:

            I don’t think David is to interested in what people post unless they used to work in a Bank.

            This blog is good for info,but not much else.

            I enjoy reading some of the “funnies” and I like to read positive things like Gizzy’s story.

            But David has such a high profile and their is some really good people on this site who could use his profile to fast-track some kind of action group,but I think he is too busy.

            Hope London is treating you well,I know you are working hard.

            Best
            RR6

    • John ALLEN says:

      Are you talking about setting up new communities run on the same style as Amish System ?

  4. straboe1 says:

    The question we must ask ourselves is who loaned us over 600 thousand million Euro, and why would they do it?
    Are the financial institutions of Europe so stupid that they would encourage us to borrow so much at very low interest rates, knowing that if anything went wrong that there would be no way we could pay the money back. To suggest that they were not aware of what they were doing is to suggest that they are ignorant, this anybody who has studied them would reject, look at how they have maintained their overall financial successes.
    We, and the other countries involved were set up so as to get into financial difficulties so that we could be manipulate into doing what they want.
    They did not expect thing to go so wrong, but this happened due to the US financial fiasco, and it’s effect on the worlds economy generally. Th establishment in the Euro zone are playing hardball, a dangerous game when the Euro is under so much of a threat, but they will continue doing this until a federal Europe has been created created. This will be done in the interest of the elite of Europe, definitely not in the interest of Ireland. Anybody who thinks we will be better off under this type of regime need to study history. We will be treated in the same way as we were under the British. We need to do as David suggest, lay the blame where it should be, with both the borrower and the lender.

  5. redriversix says:

    This entire scenario is a complete load of old bollocks,we are fucked pure and simple, nothing changes,government stumbles on , pumping out the same old lies,rubbish and deceit and we Irish continue to just take it……….!

    It is not going to change until something huge happens because apathy and fear still rule…………Frankly the sooner this War starts the better,maybe it will thin out the herd a bit Grotesque, Unprecedented, and Bizarre and nobody gives a shit.

    If you want to do something,you have a meeting , than another meeting….then a meeting to confirm the minutes of the last fucking meeting.Then we have small groups who have meetings about select parts of a meeting and they report back and have a discussion about the small group and what the large meeting feels the small group achieved and then how to interact about being P.C and taking everybody’s feelings in to consideration and how their feelings can be used in a positive way………….AAAAHHHHHH

    Take off and nuke the fucking place,its the only to be sure to catch all these fuckers…!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    very fucking angry Bunny !
    RR6

    • You know what RR6?
      Those of us who actually care know exactly how you feel there son!
      Somebody once said…….Look after yourself and your family…family’s first!
      Remember who said that and take a deep breath!
      Greetings from all of us down here with you!

      • redriversix says:

        Hi Paul

        Thank you for the gentle reminder , feel much better now..

        Look after yourself and your family…families first.

        Take Care Paul

        RR6

  6. redriversix says:

    “two actual”……two actual…this is “red river six over”…….”were’s my fuckin uniform ? !!!!!!!!!

  7. Harper66 says:

    Cost of Private Health Insurance to rise.

    http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/latest-news/health-insurance-set-to-rise-for-families-by-800-a-year-2998950.html

    Savage cuts to public health care –

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/cancer-patients-to-lose-service-2998915.html

    At least we wont have the term defaulter written across our foreheads.

    These policies will lead to social unrest.

    • bonbon says:

      Collect the signatures on the cuts – evidence for the next Nürnberg Tribunal. We have a precedent – The T4 doctors could have and should have known the effects of withdrawing health services.

  8. straboe1 says:

    Are some comments not displayed? I sent one in and it is not shown.
    Brendan

  9. comrade says:

    It is not really clear whether this is net debt. The chart describes the debt as ‘total debt’ which could mean gross debt taking no cognisance of assets offsetting it. For instance the 124% of household debt and 194% of non-financial corp debt is (mostly)owed to the Irish financial institutions whose total debt appears as 259% of GDP. Is the Irish financial institution debt of 259% net of the assets (loans granted to households and non-financial corps)? If not there is an element of double counting.

  10. gizzy says:

    I heard Enda’s articulate explanation for the whole mess at Davos ‘the people went mad borrowing’

  11. piombo says:

    Good afternoon,
    That Ireland’s enormous combined debt as a % of GDP is startling is a given. I accept and have proposed here in the past radical remediation is urgently necessary but let us consider the central theses of David’s article ie., Debt unsustainability.

    There is a risk here of mixing apples and pears as not all debt should be measured as a % of GDP when assessing sustainability.

    Essentially there are three types of debt to examine, each with their own risk profile:
    1) Household, Non-Financial Sector & Financial long term asset-backed debt (eg house mortgages, plant & machinery, investment equity, government securities, etc.,)
    This debt sustainability is predicated primarily on asset values and secondarily on 3-5 year interest rates. As inflation is currently higher than interest rates on a Present Value basis, sustainability of this type of debt is assured in normal circumstances. I accept there is steep deflation in real estate and therefore angst, but this should not be confused with non-sustainability. Let us remember that a lot of the real estate financing is on so-called “tracker mortgages and interest only” so as long as the debt holders possess an income stream sustainability is assured.

    2) Household, Non-Financial Sector short term consumer debt with no asset security (eg credit cards);
    This debt has a correlation to GDP but not as strong as one may imagine. Taxation, inflation and unemployment are stronger factors influencing this type of consumer-related debt. I would assign a correlation .3 or 30% weighting to GDP when assessing sustainability.

    3) Government debt.
    Government debt is very strongly correlated as the principal source of any State’s ability to service debt is through taxation which is in turn driven by the GDP. Correlation of .8 or 80% to GDP when assessing sustainability.

    There is then a penultumate element to be considered and that is the savings of each category.

    Finally, in the case of the State, there is also the ability to sell assets to redeem debt.In Italy’s case, the government is setting up an ad-hoc company into which they will destine all of those state assets they wish to sell in order to bring down the debt. No one in Italy is advocating debt-forgiveness nor even default.
    We Irish pride ourselves on our reslience in adversity. Whilst I don’t share his politics, I agree with Mr Kenny that we don’t want to be branded “defaulters”….I remember the anger of a lot of Italians who got burned by the Argentine default and a few months ago the Bank of Ireland bond cancellation made the evening news here as a lot of Italian savers were burned badly. For a few weeks, all I had to deal with in casual conversation was the BoI burning of the savers. As an Irishman, I know as a country we can work through the debt, maybe in a decade maybe longer, but at the end it is better than any sort of resetting and being known as the debt-defaulters of Europe. As a nation we need to face this huge challenge and use it to inform public debate on reinventing Ireland so that our children and grandchildren will be proud of us for forbearance in extreme circumstances.

    • redriversix says:

      Italy is excused from Iranian Oil embargo as Iran is repaying a debt to Italy with Oil in Lieu of Money………..

      • piombo says:

        @Redriversix,
        Proof please….
        The point is another, how would you like to be on the end of a debtor upending you and and starting afresh while you unjustly suffer?
        It is after all a matter of moral justice that debts be repaid. In Italy, default is not even a matter of debate.
        Ireland has the ability to repay it’s debts, but people want to maintain the wages, prices and lifestyles but burn the creditors.
        There is a higher road and it takes leadership to reach and stay there. Default is an act of moral cowardice when Irish wages, prices and living standards are still among the highest in Europe and the western world.
        Finally, I’ll say one thing for the average Italian worker, the average industrial take home wage is around €1375/month and they still manage to save money.
        And finally, in fourteen years living here, I have not ever heard once a xenophobic comment about the Irish….

        • redriversix says:

          Slow up their Piompo, I am not slagging Italy it is meant to highlight the futility of Economic sanctions,India will pay for Iranian Oil with Gold. China amy follow suit.There is a entire eastern world who can do business with Iran.The only people being belligerent are the U.S and its Allies.

          Sanctions are stupid.

          Check out RT News today

        • bonbon says:

          Funny mixture of “morality” and money. Reminds me of Mr. Blair lecturing at Yale on Divinity and Globalization, now that he became Catholic.

          What morality do you see displayed at the Davos sanitorium? Do you see Monti of GS as a moral technocrat?

          Moral cowardice? Enda is the coward. He is Hamlet-ing out, the ultimate cowardice.

    • bonbon says:

      How is your Italian? I strongly recommend getting Tremonti’s new book. Italy is now a protectorate of Draghi and Monti, both GS boys.
      Argentina did the right thing. And President Kirchner de Fernandez is back in fighting form at the moment Cameron is accusing Argentina of being a colonial power! Never mind “defaulter”.
      Argentina defaulted because of the policies of Menem, that Kirchner changed. If Italians are mad at Argentina, well they have Monti doing exactly the same thing as Menem, and Italians are furious.

      So I will post here what Argentina is doing now. In fact this has been discussed on this forum at length.

      Anyway DMcW is right – default will happen.

  12. Grey Fox says:

    STOCK MARKETS UP
    INTEREST RATES DOWN
    In normal circumstances this would be cause for celebration, in the current situation it is the calm before the storm.
    Does anybody know how many properties are currently sitting with Court Ordered Judgments against them, from a limited circle of friends I know of seven, these properties have been in this state for over a year with no movement from the Banks, is this another wallop waiting in the wings, you can be sure it’s not emminating from the social conscience of the Banks so the reason must be more sinister or more hiding the truth, fudging, covering up the extent of the problem.
    Meanwhile Enda is in Davos saying the people went mad borrowing – embarrassing? to say the least!!

    • piombo says:

      Hi Grey Fox,
      I also know of people with tens of properties with judgements, there are probably tens of thousands around the country and abroad. So? The reason that the banks have not yet foreclosed is simple, there is no market for these houses.
      Default is not the answer, rather executing the following:
      (1)Restoring balance in Public Finances over the next 18 months primarily through public wage cap at €75,000 and the inhousing of all quango’s into relevant government departments. Dole gets aligned to that of Northern Ireland;
      (2) Selling of all Public Assets excluding Public Order facilities through Special Purpose Vehicle IPO’s and/or debt-to-equity conversions;
      (3) Outsourcing of all back-office support activities (IT, Finance, Procurement, HR, Legal compliance) in the Public sphere to Management Buy-Out teams guaranteeing service contracts for at least 5-7 years;
      (4) Abolishment of defined-benefit pension schemes both in the public and private arenas. All public pension entitlements to be funded through Return on Assets from contributions rather than through exchequer returns;
      (5) All earners over €50,000 lose child benefit allowances;
      (6) Reduce personal income tax marginal rate to 25% and abolish Mortgage Interest tax relief with lower rate of income tax at 12.5%. No income tax charges on earnings lower than €20,000. Elimination of all existing personal income tax deductibles.
      (7) Compulsory private health and pension planning for all adult employees with the abolition of the UIC.
      (8) Every public service provided to the public would be charged on a cost plus basis with the poor and unemployed allowed 100% relief;
      (9) Compulsory education for all to Senior Certificate and 100% tax credits to all companies who contribute to schools and universities to allow all to advance in education.

      BTW, Enda is right, people went bananas borrowing through greed and innocence (plausability). We Irish can demonstrate our moral fibre by doing our penitence through the above.

      • Hi Piombo,

        Interesting list. I think you can only balance the books accompanied with significant debt relief otherwise, the fall in demand will crush tax reciepts and the adjustment might fail.

        I am also not so sure about your defaulter branding.

        But I will consider all these things for a while and come back to you.

        Best
        David

      • redriversix says:

        We should not sell any natural assets , state or otherwise, manage them more efficiently, yes , but no sale.

        • piombo says:

          @Redriversix,
          I don’t see your logic. All assets should yield the maximum possible notwithstanding ownership. Ireland has a lot of underutilized public owned assets. From the Department of Finance statistics these assets are consistently underperforming versus similar asset classes held by private shareholders. As citizens this is not an acceptable situation.
          From personal business experience allow me to say to you that there is a voracious appetite to purchase Irish assets and create thousands of jobs. As David McWilliams well knows there is a huge amount of goodwill and desire to do business in Ireland, despite everything.
          May I also share with you a personal “amarcord”.I come from a family caught up in the
          debt cycle of the late 70′s early 80′s and where at a young age I assisted in Bank Managers threatening to take away our family home or else….From those years, I learnt firsthand the mind games of debt. My indelebile memories as a twelve year old lad watching my Daddy being humiliated by a provincial bank manager are more than sufficient to convince me that all and any debt legally contracted can be repaid, it just
          depends on the expectations and perspectives of both parties.
          That is the crux of my position. Default is not necessary as negotiation is possible as long as both sides are prepared for the long haul and in Finance and Business unless there is a deliberate undue motivation at the start both sides normally want decent satisfaction.

          • bonbon says:

            Voracious appetite indeed, not satiated by purchasing the entirety of Greece! Feeding this T-Rex and hoping for jobs? What kind of economics is that?

            I call it Dino Economics of the last mass-extinction.

            We need Science-driven economics, with mission programs, Hamiltonian credit, after slicing up the Dino Banks before they fall, dead, on top of us.

            Warm-blooded quick mammals took over after the cold-blooded Dino’s just did not make it.

      • gizzy says:

        Piombo. Ordinary citizens are not meant to be economic forecasters or financial experts. They depend on their government to advise on economic conditions, they expect their bank to understand a good proposition from a bad one because they have the lending and risk expertise, they expect the regulators to watch the banks, they expect the dept of finance to know how to add and multiply.

        If an ordinary citizen with no expertise borrows it is greed or innocence but they must swallow austerity.

        If a Bank with credit and risk expertise overborrows and then over lends they get bailed out and if an experienced investor speculates on the same banks they get paid back in full.

        Do you really not see this as way out of kilter.

        • Adam Byrne says:

          They need to educate themselves and take control of their own lives and stop expecting someone else (the state? the banks?) to hold their hands throughout their entire existence.

          Last time I checked libraries in this country opened six days a week and membership was free.

          • gizzy says:

            Why have government or state agencies. Of course people should make their own decisions but are they not entitled to depend on the information official Ireland gives them. That is nothing to do with education. Some very well educated people have got into trouble.I have two degrees including one in Financial Sevices. I invested 500k in a restaurant doing 25k a week. Numbers stacked up, employed twelve people. Economic collapse turnover 11k a week restaurant not viable. Will you point me to that shelf in the library please and I’ll point you towards the self help section on how not to be a smug git.

          • Adam Byrne says:

            Hard luck on your business mate. At least you went into it with a few brains and your eyes open. I hope you didn’t talk to the customers like that! Better luck next time.

          • Adam Byrne says:

            Risk takers in business fail all the time, then they get up and start all over again, as I’m sure you will. I wasn’t referring to you and your business but most people haven’t the first idea what’s going on and wouldn’t dream of coming on here and reading the posts – they might miss Fair City.

          • Adam Byrne says:

            And I wouldn’t believe official Ireland if they told me the sea was blue. I wouldn’t believe any government for that matter. They are ALL liars.

          • gizzy says:

            thanks for the wishes only spoke like that to people who used libraries

          • Adam Byrne says:

            Haha nothing wrong with libraries – they have served me well, even though I’ve had a fair few businesses head south too!

          • Eireannach says:

            @Gizzy

            Now, now. You’re insulting Adam calling him a smug git because he’s insisting that people be self-reliant and assume responsibility for their actions.

            We cannot depend on wolves (bankers) to educate sheep on the dangers of lying down with them. The sheep have to be careful. Problem is, they don’t think they’re sheep, they have some deluded view of themselves.

            So they lie down with wolves and get eaten.

          • gizzy says:

            @ Eireannach Do not confuse self reliance with the responsibility of government. They are not meant to be wolves they are elcted to serve the citizens of the State. That is why we set society up that way.Otherwise we are only a collection of individuals living on the same island all making decisions for personal good. That is not the way we have chosen to structure our society.

      • bonbon says:

        Question, have you pulled any of thins from Monti’s program now being enforced in Italy?
        I think a point-for-point check is needed. If this is a GS program, I think it should be made explicit.

      • bonbon says:

        Amazing! Penitence? I begin to think this is coming from some faction in Rome, at the moment not the best example of “moral fiber”.

        Morality and penitence, the sins of greed. Has someone said this is the way to engineer the Irish? I’m afraid that Tavistock manual is about 50 years out of date!

        Pathetic that the bankers have to resort to such unbelievably silly incantations.

  13. Grey Fox says:

    Point 1 – I agree
    Point 2 – I disagree, why? It won’t raise anywhere near what is required and the family silver is gone, I have huge issues with private sector controlling the assets of our country.
    Point 3 – I work in the IT area of Civil Service, albeit only for last 4 years, and having come from a self employed and multi national management background I can say with 110% certainty that management in the Public Sector A. Would not have a clue how to run a commercial enterprise and B. They wouldn’t in a million years WANT TO.
    Point 4. OK yes I could live with this.
    Point 5. Absolutely
    Point 6. Yes I agree
    Point 7. Hmmm…
    Point 8. Yes, maybe
    Point 9. Absolutely

    See we are not so far apart but I would be very skeptical, I agree with David that the Debt is just so great the social cost would be too much never mind that we may never be able to repay, I think this would make Germany after WW2 look like a small Credit Union Loan.
    I stand to be corrected and will accept correction if the costings add up, but it is a grave road to head down if the percentage of certainty is not on your side.

  14. straboe1 says:

    In many Irish institution the accepted understanding is that one never send waves up the organisation, it’s always ok to send them down. The logic is that the leadership is always right, and that this must never be questioned. That’s one reason why we are where we are. One has only to listen to what RTE radio and tv news reports said about Ivor Callely. He was questioned by the Guards for 24 hours! This is not true, It is a deliberate misuse of the English language, designed to create the impression that those at the top, or who were at the top are being treated harshly. Callely was interviewed over a 24 hour period, with plenty of breaks, otherwise the process would be declared illegal.
    Brendan

  15. conor says:

    Hi Lord Jimbo
    Re the people went mad borrowing. For people to go mad borrowing there has to be a bunch of mad lenders, if someone does not give you the money then you cannot go on a spending binge.
    We all know that the banks and other financial institutions ignored all normal criteria for assessing credit suitability, among others, the ability to pay back. This was all done in the name of getting large bonuses.
    Once the banks started to go off the rails our financial regulators were supposed to call a halt to their wild lending notions, and we all know what our regulators did not do.
    I assume our financial regulator would come under the dept of finance, which in effect means that the then Minister of Finance Brian Cowan had ultimate responsibility and as confirmed by the Dept. of Finance when asked under a Freedom of Information Request how often Cowan met with Financial regulator, the reply was, FOUR Times in SIX YEARS.
    I think the above answers how People ‘went mad’ borrowing during boom – Taoiseach

  16. Emigrant lass says:

    My Manager and work collegues are from the Philippines, India and China here in Brisbane. They are watching the Euro and Irish crisis closely.
    They are disgusted and amazed with the comments from our ‘Prime Minister’ as they call him, blaming the Irish people for borrowing too much and causing this huge mess. They told me that man is doing you no favours!

    I’m so embarrassed, I cannot even comment!

    • paddythepig says:

      The truth hurts, doesn’t it.

      • gizzy says:

        Especially when it is only a selected part of the truth

      • Colin says:

        If Enda had qualified it, by saying ‘some people’, instead of ‘people’, then he’d be right. I didn’t go mad with property, neither did my parents nor my brother. So why did Enda tell a lie? Why didn’t Enda tell the truth and say some people? Most people here who followed David’s analysis did not go mad on property. In fact, we had to suffer intense propaganda and peer pressure NOT to go mad with property. We are the heroes!

        • bonbon says:

          Why lie? In the house of the hanged (Davos) do not talk about the rope!

          If he had said my friends sitting here caused this mess, well I would not like to speculate what would happen.

          Still, with the default hammer, he could have broken some glass at least.

    • bonbon says:

      Maybe so, but a little homework on the those countries would reveal even worse carry-on.

      Don’t forget being Irish is not being Enda’s apologist.

      Don’t let anyone humiliate you using a politicians public comments.

  17. redriversix says:

    begod,Enda’s a fine man , no doubt.sure the people were only helping themselves,sure with the famine and all we deserved to go a bit mad !

    I still do not think we should sell our asset’s Piompo,your points are well made and i understand them clearly,however I look at things from a World perspective and I would rather we managed our asset’s far more efficiently then sell them.

    Enda is some piece of work , bot he will just keep rollin on.

    Foot IN mouth disease is Rampant

    Best
    RR6

  18. redriversix says:

    begod,Enda’s a fine man , no doubt.sure the people were only helping themselves,sure with the famine and all we deserved to go a bit mad !

    I still do not think we should sell our asset’s Piompo,your points are well made and i understand them clearly,however I look at things from a World perspective and I would rather we managed our asset’s far more efficiently then sell them.

    Enda is some piece of work , but he will just keep rollin on.

    Foot IN mouth disease is Rampant

    Best
    RR6

    • Colin says:

      There is absolutely no hope of our assets becoming better managed anytime. Wake up and smell the coffee there redriversix. You want to continue to reward failure and nepotism and the culture of overpaid underworked unsackable incompetents.

      Sell state assets, sack the wasters.

      • bonbon says:

        So the buyers can declare a new bankers state of Ireland plus the Greek island assets. Now that would be grand. They could even play governance games! I’ll be the capital city of this plunder will be Davos (after buying that from Switzerland of course).

      • redriversix says:

        No,I want to fire incompetent assholes and put their replacements on productivity contracts,and if they can’t run it properly , find people who can.

        No assets should be sold,sorry Colin , but I do feel that is the goal of these Bankers,to get Countries to dispose of the only things that might be valuable.

        If we get people to run them,Throw out the Garbage………….

  19. bonbon says:

    Michael D: Ireland’s Product Must be Culture of New Ideas

    Jan. 26, 2012 Michael D, was awarded a Honorary Doctorate of Laws from the National University of Ireland, where he had spent much of his life, as student and then university teacher.
    In his acceptance speech, he gave a grand tour of history and pointed out, as he had during his campaign, that the destruction of FDR’s Glass-Steagall law led to speculative bubbles in many countries, including Ireland.
    “In recent times,” President Higgins said, “we have paid a heavy price for unfettered speculative accumulation, for light regulation for the global consequences of what followed acceptance of amendments to the Glass-Steagall Act in the US, an act that had its origins in responding to the crash of 1929 that sought to ensure it would never happen again. The amendments released a flood of virtual financial products across the world.

    To that, many countries, including our own, added their own speculative bubble.”

    Michael D proposed that the greatest product that Ireland can provide civilization is a culture of new ideas to address the failure of the march of technocratic hegemony and economic disintegration.

    ————

    Prepare for the Referendum by insisting the future lies in science-driven economy, Glass-Steagall and Hamiltonian credit system.

    It is plain to see that default is the result of a failed system.

  20. Grey Fox says:

    “PAY AS YOU GO AND IF YOU CAN’T PAY, THEN DON’T GO”
    This is what I was thought when I was a kid,(long time ago) but we all forgot this, led by the banks.
    The banks have built a house of cards built on a foundation of sand, Mortgage Backed Securities, CDO’s etc… and have now managed to Socialise their folly with the help of inept self serving politicians, regulators etc.. and we sit idly by accepting this.
    I remember getting my wages in a small brown envelope and inside was Pound Notes (Legal Tender), as today is Friday what would happen if everybody decided to go to the hole in the wall and take their wages out in real money, what would happen if every mortgage holder decided that this month, in protest, I am going to withhold my mortgage payment?
    The Banks have had it their way for too long and they believe their own BS at this stage, what is equitable about a Mortgage contract where the bank can raise interset rates by whatever and whenever they like but the borrower may not adjust repayments to reflect economic hardship without the bank becoming an examiner with a microscope, intruding on your family whenever it likes demanding any and all private information, or forcing the borrower into a courtroom and applying court ordered judgments. common sense must come into the issue somewhere.
    Who are the courts to say that because two people are not married, although they may have raised a family in a house, the house is not a family home and therefore fair game. Buying a home is not an investment and so, a person who buys one home is not an investor, he/she is simply providing shelter for a family and this along with a couple of other things should be inviolet, shelter, food, clothes and heat. But the banks have spun all of this out of control, human rights and the rights of a family are trampled out of existence in pursuing bigger and bigger profits. The problems the banks are experiencing is they over indulged and gorged on the profits, a mortgage default here or there is good for the banks as they can evict, repossess, resell, re securitze the property, but not on a mass scale because the house of cards starts to fall, and so we have to get back to “PAY AS YOU GO AND IF YOU CAN’T PAY DON’T GO”, THE BANKS HAVE TO GET BACK TO MAKE A LOAN AND BE HAPPY WITH THE INTEREST EARNED UNTIL THE LOAN IS REPAID. This is banking 101, the old rules, the right rules, reserves etc… maybe I am being to simple but I like millions of others are simple people an we expect bankers and politicians to deal with our affairs in a fair and equitable way, I know that all banking is built on and rely’s on confidence, hence when a person is mistreated the term “confidence trick” or “conman” is used. But I firmly believe the bankers and politicians have out smarted themselves now and they must be held to account for their actions albeit we will maybe feel some additional pain but this is the cost of putting things right in the world again. Austerity is fine if the end result is improvement, Austerity is not ok if it is simply bailing out the wrongdoers and letting them off to offend again. Every person will have to make up their own mind about this because leadership/reassurance is not forthcoming from our current government

    • bonbon says:

      When Glass-Steagall became law, FDR declared a long bank holiday. Over 1800 banks were taken over by Gov’t regulators with a dollar bill, presenting the managers with a legal takeover as they were bankrupt.

      Today the 6 largest Too Big to Fail TBTF banks sitting on 100′s of trillions of nominal debt are worth 1 dollar each.
      Glass-Steagall will hit them very hard. The concentration into these huge monsters actually makes the job easier! The hedge funds will vaporize.

      These 6 monsters use GoldmanSachs to shove that debt onto states. We will shove it back!

      The minor details of Irish banks will be very easily dealt with.

  21. bonbon says:

    A very important line item is missing in that chart.

    I will try to find out why the Report omits this, but being a bankers report we should expect this after all.

    The Nominal debt of the 6 TBTF banks. I am sure BIS has this, at least some of it.

    Then we will see off-scale bars, and what in fact is about to default.

    • bonbon says:

      So far the major players in the $400 TRILLION a year casino totally unregulated are :

      J.P Morgan Chase : $24 TRILLION derivatives portfolio. A loss of 0.2% would wipe the entire assets off the books!
      Believed to be run by the FED since 2001

      Citigroup : $9 trillion derivatives, $1 trillion assets
      Also likely under FED control

      Bank of America : $10 trillion derivatives, $620 billion assets

      That’s what I have so far. These are the main lenders, and the FED has at least 2. Bernanke’s main problem.

      This is the virtual economy.

    • bonbon says:

      These derivative portfolio’s are never listed in the annual bank report, but have more risk than everything else.
      I do not know why neither the McKinsey nor BBC graphics mention this – the data is available.

    • bonbon says:

      It gets even worse.
      Geithner (ex-GS) used the Dodd-Frank (repeal of Glass-Steagall) rule to exclude regulation on $30 TRILLION FORex derivative swaps on 29apr2010 which made GS $2.2 billion in 1 quarter of 2010 alone. He pumped the largest chunk of $17 TRILLION into this market starting in 2008. In the process European banks were flooded.

  22. Nouveau Pauvre says:

    Here is a little eye opening article on the BBC website:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15748696

    The ONLY thing you really need to know is WHO does all the private borrowers, commercial borrowers, all regular banks, IMF, ECB,Federal Reserve owe the money to?
    Check the paper trail and my guess is that a syndicate of huge Global Bankers are infact loaning money (digital money created out of thin air based on the projected value of a promissory note or a mortgage certificate)to Everyone including the FED ,IMF and the ECB who in turn are “saving” the banking system.

    • Mark Walsh says:

      Excellent interactive chart.
      I posit the name Rothschild, and their offspring, would be No.1 suspects if one followed/retraced the source of the digital money.
      There are other bedfellows too, but top of the charts would be Rothschild.

      • bonbon says:

        More precisely the Inter-Alpha Group, founded by Rothschild way back in 1972. But there are others.

        Pity I cannot load up a graphic here.

        The key to this is the growth in derivative to asset ratios from 1999 to today to see the horror of what the repeal of Glass-Steagall allowed.

        A picture is worth 1000 words as they say….

        • Mark Walsh says:

          bonbon, to my knowledge/research the combined world debt including derivatives (the over-the-counter and regulated ones) currently stands at $700 Trillion.

          Compare and contrast this to a total world GDP of $63 Trillion one sees the lunacy of deregulation and how worldwide default and reset button has to be exercised.

          Interest rate increases will bring the house of cards crumbling down. It’s no wonder Bernanke has extended the Fed rate of 0.25% into mid-late 2014. What other option does he have other than maintaining that rate and QE to infinity?

          God help the main street saver. He/she is going to get wiped out.

          Happy days for the Wall St casino gamblers, no pain for them.

        • bonbon says:

          I got $14 quadrillion for the derivative side. I’ll dig for more info.

          A 0.2% loss on these would wipe out the 6 TBTF banks instantly. I’ll bet that is why a tiny country like Ireland or Greece has them terrified. GoldmanSachs is clearly sent in to control this.

          The economic cost is criminal.

          Some realize it cannot be controlled, so af going for war.

          Glass-Steagall is war-avoidance.

          • Mark Walsh says:

            bonbon, $14 Quadrillion equaling $14,000 Trillion? Am I reading this right?

          • bonbon says:

            Right, 10**15. The 0.6 quadrillon is 2008 data I think.

            Still digging…

          • bonbon says:

            Well it does not really matter, 0.6 or 14 quadrillon. It’s already doomed.

            That is why “Ponzi” is not getting the message across.

            It’s unprecedented.

          • Mark Walsh says:

            Agreed bonbon, a single ‘Ponzi’ doesn’t aptly describe matters.
            More like “Super Size My Ponzi with steroids, crack cocaine, crystal meth and heroin and I’ll have that to-go.”
            “Oh, and I’ll be back everyday this year for more of the same.”

          • Mark Walsh says:

            *every day, rather

          • bonbon says:

            Yeah, that’s closer alright.

            We should take away their toys – the cold-turkey would be a sight to see!

          • Mark Walsh says:

            Fear not bonbon, physical gold and silver will exterminate those parasites in the not too distant future.

            A kind of common sense Rentokil solution to their hubris and their crackhead casino lifestyles.

            We all should be wishing both precious metals to soar thereby bankrupting the TBTF 6.

            How gratifying for us to say “Sorry, you’re Too Big To Save.”

    • BrianC says:

      Yes it is all digital money. And it is all controlled by Maybank in Singapore. The US is not able to transfer money digitally via ABA SWIFT as Deutsches bank pulled the plug on that. The centre of financial power has shifted.

      There is no hope whatsoever of Ireland paying down this debt. Ideally School teachers are good in a class room (I know there are many non-performers just speaking generally) but todate the real world of finance is too complex for their frame of thinking. The facts are telling them the reality of the situation but they cannot afford to see the truth of the facts for they will have to impose austerity on the some who are more equal than the rest of us.

      Finally EK EG are not very intellectually bright but they are our idiots as we voted them into power.

  23. Deco says:

    Folks,

    Please consider this petition.

    http://stopsopaireland.com/

    almost 58 thousand people have signed, already.

  24. stiofanc02 says:

    Mad borrowing, Not mad lending. Not unchecked housing valuations. Not ill advised tax breaks and other schemes, no, it was you. The minion.

    He has exposed himself with these comments. He holds the Irish citizens in total contempt and sees you all as his subjects. Watch the video and check out the look on his face while hoisting the blame onto your shoulders if you doubt it.

    Hillary Clinton regualarly talks down
    to US citizens with the same condescending contemptuos tone.

    Unbelieveable to me that he couldnt resist saying it where it would be heard by everyone, but it was driving him nuts and like lancing a boil, or in his case holding in a fart while at church, it felt better once he let it out. But still, it stinks.

    • bonbon says:

      Hillary should be president, Obama is the One who talks like that. Just ask any NASA employee or schoolteacher in Wisconsin.

      From the behavior of FF/FG I am getting a very bad feeling about the republic. I think they killed it Mutt and Jeff style.

      We need a new republic, simple as that.

    • bonbon says:

      With default, declare Chapter 11, a republic with a clear scientific economic long term mission and a cleaned up international credit banking system.

      Put Mutt and Jeff in rubber-walled rooms so they will not hurt anyone else.

    • gizzy says:

      Its becoming the norm for Fine Gael the arrogance and lecturing Kenny Noonan Hayes Varadker and Creighton. It is like they are exacting revenge for being out of government for so long.

      • bonbon says:

        I think FF/FG extracted revenge on the very idea of a Republic.
        They are dangerous, and hurt the Irish people very badly.
        I think this has roots in 1922-

  25. Mark Walsh says:

    More good news for those holding gold!

    Timothy Geithner just got the thumbs-up from the US Senate for a $1.4 Trillion increase in the US Debt ceiling. New ceiling $16.4 Trillion.

  26. StephenKenny says:

    A nice turn of phrase over at Zero Hedge

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-davos-shocked-hear-poor-people-exist

    For some reason I just can’t stop laughing at it.

    • bonbon says:

      Davos begins to look more and more like Boccaccio’s rich on the hills above Florence.
      They should read what happened to them.
      I wonder where Enda appears in that book, now….

      • piombo says:

        Buon giorno Bonbon,
        Il mio italiano e’ piuttosto buono essendo in Italia da quasi quattordici anni! Grazie.
        Anyway, I rate Tremonti and can’t wait to read his book.

  27. bonbon says:

    It is always a surprise how ideas spread.

    German Leftist Leader Cites FDR in Bundestag Debate

    Jan. 27 –During the debate on the planned new national banking stabilization fund (SOFFIN II), Sahra Wagenknecht, economic-financial policy spokeswoman of the parliamentary group of the Linke party, began her speech yesterday with a quote:

    “To be governed by organized money, is as bad as to be governed by organized crime,”

    which caused some turmoil in the house, and some back and forth between her and numerous Bundestag members of the CDU-CSU, SPD, and FDP.

    She continued, saying that this quote was “not from a Communist,” to which one CDU politician retorted, “Nonsense.” Wagenknecht, then:

    “You say: nonsense — do you know where this quote is from? It is from the American President Franklin D. Roosevelt.”

    “Franklin D. Roosevelt,” she explained, “did not just say this sentence for nothing, he also drew the consequences of it.

    Namely, during his term, he regulated the financial sector massively.

    That was the consequence of this sentence.

    From such consequence, the Federal government is light-years away, unfortunately.”

    ————-
    That is an inch from Glass-Steagall, FDR’s great move.

  28. bonbon says:

    Tremonti of Italy in his new book declared the Fiscal Compact to be a declaration of war by finance on Italy.

    FG wants at all costs to vote this up. SF seeks legal advice to oppose.

    Italian Parliament Votes Up Fascist EU Fiscal Compact, while Monti Loses 87 Votes, which is scheduled to be signed by EU leaders on Jan. 30, a date properly fitting with the anniversary date of an infamous coup in 1933.

    According to the pact, Italy will cut EU45-50 billion from the budget every year for the next 20 years, in order to cut government debt from 120% to 60% of GDP. This comes on top of the “budget balancing maneuvers” which the government will be forced to implement to keep the deficit to 0%. Such maneuvers will weigh increasingly heavily, because the (monetarist) deficit/GDP ratio will zoom as GDP collapses from erosion caused by the deflationary policies.

    As for the Italian Parliament, it has implemented self-euthanasia. The legislature has been gouged internally, and what is left is only a facade.
    ——–
    The Pact as law? Even worse than Faust.

    • piombo says:

      Bonbon,
      The Fiscal Compact (I believe article 4, though I stand corrected) obliges all 26 countries who sign up to reduce their Public Debt by 1/20 until they arrive at 60%. this implies a 2.9% reduction yearly reduction for Italy and your numbers are in the range. Ireland will have to cut even deeper, I believe at 3.6% rate every year which implies circa €4 billion as well as bringing the current account deficit into balance by 2015/16. Therefore Ireland will have to find circa €8 billion each year starting on 1/1/2013 just to meet the targets in the Fiscal Compact.
      Apart from the measures I suggested in my response earlier to Grey Fox, it is quite obvious that the Irish State is going to have to execute a monumental capital raising cycle to remain within the Euro.
      Setting aside nationalization of private assets, the only feasible routes open are a mass sell off of State assets coupled with a mass privatization of all but the most essential services and obligations. This scenario will drive a liberalization of every profession in the land and allow the free market enter into every facet of Irish life. It will also force wages to the level of our closest competitors.
      I see this scenario as a benign one which will offer opportunities undreamt of to hundreds
      of thousands of Irish people. It will also allow the State to focus resources on basic
      healthcare for the poor, the sick and the old.
      Of course, all who are comfortable from the current status will see their incomes initially diminished. There will be mass lay offs in the Civil Service and there will be thousands of lawyers and teachers working for less. This is to be welcomed as resources will become cheaper and therefore investments will be more attractive to all potential domestic and international investors.
      The alternative to the above can be summarized by paraphrasing the pre Vatican 2 dictum, extra euro nulla salvus.

      • bonbon says:

        It is time for default, {Emergency Exit} – {Uscita di Sicurezza} as Tremonti says, and a sovereign currency.

        Otherwise the Fiscal Compact will block this.

        Of course none of this will save the Euro, nor the financial system.

      • bonbon says:

        So if I understand you, either stay in the Euro, or accept Milton Friedman’s liberal free-market?

        Or put it another way :

        Euro (of Thatcher) v. Pinochet (of the Chicago Boys).

        That is an even worse choice than Chile got then.

        Who is putting these goal-posts in the field ( and moving them when it deems right )?

        Looks like Goldman Sachs to me – some kind of a pincer move for finance. Like Draghi v. Monti, both GS boys.

  29. Pedro Nunez says:

    +1, I don’t know what a tracker mortgage is!

  30. redriversix says:

    Thanks Colin

    I think I am more of a roughneck then a “creep” !! hahaha

    I like Radiohead.also have a very funny story about them and R.E.M when I met them a couple of years ago.

    Maybe I will get to share it with you someday.

    Best
    RR6

    • Colin says:

      Save the story for your memoirs there RR6. Like David, my mother gave me good advice when I was a young fella, stay away from weirdos, and it has served me well so far, so sorry, a meet up ain’t gonna happen. Try find a job for yourself, it’ll be better for you and you won’t be occupying your mind with unhealthy thoughts. If you have a lot of free time, yoga practice might help you, you might learn more about the mind.

      • redriversix says:

        That’s a fine ivory tower you live in , there Colin,is it expensive to run ?

        You have a poor sense of humor,but instead of seeing I was being humorous you chose to insult me.

        Always remember those on the way up Colin because you meet the same people on the way down……………

        • Colin says:

          I never have owned property RR6, far from any class of an ivory tower I live in, but I have a fair landlord and nice views, so it suits. My rent is cheapish and bills are included, but I do have to share a bathroom with other tenants, so if you call that ‘ivory tower’, then I wouldn’t like to see your description of a hovel.

          My sense of humour is well adjusted and grounded, thank you very much.

          I did not insult you, I offered good advice, up to you now to take it our leave it.

          I’ve been made redundant three times in my life so far, so I know all about the lows, the dole queues, the lifestyle adjustments, so I hope that informs you of the way I view those less fortunate.

          But one thing I hate is bullying, and you were bullying Eireannach, and you need to cut that out before you tear up to the dizzy heights of the high moral ground again.

          Over and out.

          • redriversix says:

            The last thing I am is a Bully.I enjoy reading Eireannach posts and he or she is certainly no shrinking violet when it comes to opinion…….and I am sure he/she is entirely capable of defending himself.

            I found your reply’s insulting , but I should never have gotten so involved with this spat with you as it annoyed me and I don’t like losing my piece of mind and I should have known better ,but hey,”every day is a School day”

            I have been looking for work for a long time now , as you should know by my previous posts but I won’t work for nothing so I am going to try and set myself up in business again.

            I was well informed as to your experience before as I read your posts.

            I can’t remember the last time I tore up to the dizzy heights of the high moral ground as you call it , but you may or may not remind me of when this occurred.?

            I wish you continued success in London

            RR6

  31. bonbon says:

    Talking about default, have a look at how the EU is moving to prevent even the threat of one in Greece.

    A proposal, presented by the German government, and reported in today’s {Financial Times} would force Greece to cede sovereignty over tax and spending decisions to a Eurozone budget commissioner to secure a second EU130 billion euro bail-out.

    This new commissioner would be named by the eurozone finance ministers and would take responsibility for overseeing all major blocks of expenditure by the Greek government.

    Budget consolidation has to be put under a strict steering and control system, the proposal reads. Given the disappointing compliance so far, Greece has to accept shifting budgetary sovereignty to the European level for a certain period of time.

    * The document further states “If a future [bail-out] * tranche is not disbursed, Greece cannot threaten its * lenders with a default, but will instead have to
    * accept further cuts in primary expenditures as the
    * only possible consequence of any non-disbursement.”

    Athens would also be forced to adopt a law permanently committing state revenues to debt service first and foremost.

    As usual Greece, the victim, has been kept in the dark on the proposal. The move guarantees one thing, that Germany will continue to take the rap for the British Empire.

    So is FG keeping the Irish in the dark about this?

    Michael D can send this to the Supreme Court.

    • bonbon says:

      Formatting somehow scattered…

      * The document further states
      * “If a future [bail-out] tranche is not disbursed,
      * Greece cannot threaten its lenders with a default,
      * but will instead have to accept further cuts in
      * primary expenditures as the
      * only possible consequence of any non-disbursement.”

  32. Grey Fox says:

    David,
    While I agree agree wholeheartedly with you that Private Debt is so enormous Default is our only option can I suggest a different possibility, and one based on my personal situation which I believe is a common situation.
    To use Banking terminology, I have a liquidity problem, I am not Insolvent so to speak, my income has fallen drastically and I have a number of Liabilities Mortgage, Commercial and Private, myself and my partner are both working (luckily) and I have approved and unapproved agreements in place on almost all my debts.
    What I need is a consolidation loan! firstly I need approval for this loan so as I may go and negotiate settlement of my Private and commercial Debt, in other words lets say I am approved for a €500,000 consolidation Loan and this is my total liability of which €300,000 is private & commercial debt and I manage to negotiate this 300k down to 150k, now my loan requirement is not 500k but rather 350k which is manageable from current income over a 40 year term and if I die in the meantime there is property and or Insurance backing the loan and so my obilgations will be met from my estate or my Insurance.
    We know the mainstream Banks are not issuing such loans at present but what if the Government was to agree with the Troika that funding would be given to IBRC to be ringfenced and used solely for the purpose of consolidation loans for over indebted individuals who are not Insolvent but rather Illiquid. Does it not make sense that my serveral bad loans are converted into one good/performing loan with a low interest rate and the following benefit of the removal of bad loans from the books of several commercial and private entities, not to mention the eleviation of stress and worry from my partner and me.
    Am I oversimplifying this.

  33. bonbon says:

    Draghi has been covertly printing money according to the DT, double what is public. He said they have averted a major event (again).

    From Davos, George Soros: “If Greece defaults it should not be the end of the world. But the rest of Europe needs to be sufficiently ring-fenced, and not enough has been done.”

    Which side of the “ring-fence” is Eire on then? Default or not to default?

  34. [...] Last week, there was a lot of talk about deleveraging. McKinsey Global came out with a widely cited report on deleveraging. It’s well worth a gander, if only for the chart on Ireland’s position. [...]

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