May 12, 2010

a couple of things strike me

Posted in Your Ideas · 16 comments ·

a couple of things strike me….obviously everybody contributing feels very strongly about this whole situation…it begs the question, why hide behind pseudonyms? surely it’s time to stand up and be counted!!!….it smacks of bar stool talk or the two old guys at the end of the muppet show.
also,is it time for a new political party ala the pd party who served a purpose at the time but subsequently lost the plot? bring back pat rabitte and joe higgins i say,two men who,like the child in the story about the emperor’s new clothes, weren’t afraid to speak the truth…..this coming from an ardent admirer of john bruton in his day.

  1. liam

    The internet is not a place to leave your RL credentials lying around. Besides, with a little imagination and initiative, its not at all hard to find out who is who here.

    Everyone talks about a new party. The PD’s are an excellent example of why this is such a pointless exercise. What is required is a constitutional revolution and a complete change in the way the political system functions.

  2. Malcolm McClure

    I’ve been watching and wondering what direction this site would take as the situation inevitably careered downhill over the past couple of years.
    No charismatic leader has appeared. A few attempts by individuals to meet up have been abortive. Calls to overt demonstration has gone largely unheeded.
    One wonders why this should be the case.
    In my humble opinion and to amplify McLuhan, the medium has become not only the message but the excuse for catharsis.
    Here, we have been exposed to all the questions, most of the opinions and relevant answers, and still no-one has provided a clear vision of where we should be going, never mind mapping out how we might get there.
    We are helpless in the face of events that are overwhelming not only our individual comprehension but also that of the best brains on the planet.
    It was probably situations like this that persuaded people to pray in the first place. Perhaps science, logic and law now have confront their ultimate limitations. The only alternative now is chaos and war.

    • liam

      I’d offer Malcolm that what has thus far been proposed are conventional responses to exceptional circumstances. There are a large number of complex variables in play and the financial crisis has exposed certain fissures in Irish public/political life that, thanks to the internet, are receiving levels of scrutiny that simply were not possible in the many periods of crisis the Irish state has faced since its founding. I think this also might give some clues as to where solutions may be found. Perhaps you are right and the expression that the medium grants is an excuse for inertia, I’d counter that it puts more eyeballs on the problems and it makes for the early dismissal of conventional and limited solutions. Marching in the streets is a conventional and lowest common denominator approach (the SWP’s idiotic behavior received more coverage than any other aspect of the events of last Tuesday), and the perennial Greek response to Government shenanigans, rioting, has not changed the situation facing the Greek people one bit.

      Science, logic and law are the very tools that have least effectively been deployed by any group (beyond opinion pieces in the newspapers, who’s editors seem to scrupulously avoid being seen to take sides) in direct response to this, perhaps its time somebody gives them a try?

    • @ Malcolm

      Let’s give ourselves a break.

      What’s with the helplessness, you can still go make a cup of tea, take a walk, inform yourself better, see what the weather is like, no matter who you are?

      Billions of suns in the Milky Way, billions of universes like the Milky Way, we’re grains of sands blown in the winds of time.

      Don’t even expect to know the full picture:) Enjoy the Rockin Rollin Roller Coaster game of life which has its unknowable mysteries.

      Maybe try to learn from our Moorish Islamic brothers the value and importance of intellectual debate and the pursuit of knowledge. Not denying it for the sake of some hocus pocus indoctrination and propaganda that rubbishes intellectual freedoms.

      Ain’t no time to rubbish the pursuit of knowledge. If you’re not informed, you may be misinformed!

      Re leadership, the real leader may be the guy not out in front leading others jumping over the cliff, but the whistle blower whose just been fired for spilling the beans.

      Some bright things on the horizon are the new knowledge we now have regarding the banks and our erstwhile political leaders and church leaders.

      Let’s hope we put this knowledge to good use.

      • lest I get exposed to religious crossfire, point re Islam was in the 15th century when Islam found the books on Greek philosophy/mathematics etc, they embraced the new knowledge in those books rather than burning them as the Christians did of the Moors’ libraries in subsequent wars against the Moors in Spain.

        Rather than

        “Perhaps science, logic and law now have confront their ultimate limitations. The only alternative now is chaos and war.”

        We need a greater shoulder to the wheel, as Liam says, in these areas. Guided by the ethics of what is best for ordinary people and not best for bankers, developers, politicians…

        • Malcolm McClure

          cbweb: The discovery of the New World and voyages of exploration to the Far East in the 15th and 16th centuries gave grounds for optimism that we could “begin again” and set the world to rights.
          Now we know that the other planets are devoid of life and flying saucers were a CIA figment, we are forced to conclude that life on Earth is the only one that matters and we have made a mess of it. i.e. in Old Testament terms, ‘we have sinned’.
          (That means all of us)
          Until we get that into our thick skulls and each make a personal decision to ‘repent’ there are no grounds for hope that things will get any better.

          Very few people are more deeply engrained with the science of reality than I am, but the time has come to be humble in the face of the devastating forces ranged against us. Mere brains and ‘shoulders to the wheel’ are incapable of solving this world-wide crisis.
          We need a new beginning.

          • We’re part of all life, arguably the universe is alive, but how can we know, our knowledge is only partial. There’s a lot of mess in the Old Testament just as there is in the Koran, oops just saw some ninja roof top shenanigans heading this way after I mentioned Islam. For me its difficult enough to work with the so called known and somewhat knowable, than to get into the realms of metaphysics and belief systems based on the suspension of disbelief or repentance, unless its the kind of repentance that says marry in haste and repent at leisure. We may have a couple of metaphysical beers over this sometime:)

          • Malcolm McClure

            I’d agree with all that. :))


    John Bruton-the ultimate insider.The PD’s peaked with 14 seats,<10% of the available total.The UK election again demonstrated that people will vote for the status quo or something similar.The Libertarian party in the US always performs abysmally, little better than a communist candidate would!.Give Paddies abroad a vote.

  4. Philip

    I strongly advise you DO NOT reveal your names. It could make you a target for a nutter, social groomer or similar and you wind up ripped off or worse. As for the “state”, they know who we all are if ever they want to bother. So unless you have a commercial reason for being public or are into expositions and are aware of all the risks of such, be my guest.

    • Philip

      Stand up and be counted? Not in a blog.

      Why are there no protests? Clearly, the balance of contentment outweighs that of the opposite. That’s democracy for you. Get used to it.

      Our responsibility is to our communities. This does not include this blog. If you want to get out there, do it the old fashioned way. Make yourself heard and evangelize. Politicking is a tricky and difficult profession.

  5. AndrewGMooney

    The whole issue of privacy online is a bit of a red herring. Given the plethora of data trails, data mining and overt/covert surveillance, a pseudonym or an ‘anonymous’ profile is anything but. Personally, I couldn’t care less. I’ve made a deliberate decision to be ‘incomprehensible’ online. I got tired of monitoring my endless pseudo-avatars so I turned it on its head. Instead of having loads of ‘personas’ for emotional ventilation, I now play that whole ‘multiple personality / dissociative identity disorder’ game under my ‘real life’ name. Does real life still exist?

    It amuses me to think that by typing ‘Bin Laden bomb Papal visit disruption’, this message will pop up on some ‘security’ screen watched by bored jobsworths here in England. I can pretend to be anything or nothing. Some or all of it may be true or just taking the piss. Unless and until you meet someone face to face, it’s absurd to speculate about identity. This would apply to our host DMcW as well.

    I can see why for some contributors the whole ‘career management/ libel/freedom of speech/right to good name’ complicates the issue depending on what territory you’re posting from. Perhaps David has had ‘cease and desist’ letters from the powerful elite in Ireland? Maybe that’s why the access to historic comments had to be reviewed? Or maybe I’m just making mischief again….
    I also love the idea of some silly HR person trying to ‘reconcile’ me-in-the-flesh, my C.V and online comment history. Good luck with that one! Not that I ever intend to dignify any ‘human resources’ entities with my attention again whilst I live and breathe the remainder of my ‘curriculum vitae: river of life’. People think money is freedom. It isn’t. Freedom is Freedom. Money is energy, but there’s lots of rich slaves in pinstripes ranting online when they’d be better off seeking structured psychotherapy about their existential life crises.

    As for translating posted comments into practical ‘praxis’: Of course sites like this are examples of ‘repressive tolerance’, but it’s still worthwhile and it’s fun. There are so few ‘economists’ who can actually decomplexify issues such that ordinary everday people can even get a look in. That’s why this site is one of the best on the Interweb. That’s why David McWilliams is a very talented writer. I love ‘the jargon factory’ and talking hi-falutin’ nonsense, but it’s incredibly difficult to simplify things without losing their essential essence. I’m sure a lot of very anxious people find ‘political’ strength and courage through David’s articles even if they don’t agree with his assumed politics/perspective. This site is no longer a ‘fan’ site, it’s a communal celebration and mourning, a wake for the morning after the night before, after the mother of all credit-card feulled parties. And an ‘optimism of the will’ or something like htat. David isn’t intimidated by ‘the powers that be’. In a free and democratic country, no-one else should be either. I’m not. “Irish Blood, English Heart, this I’m made of: There is no one on earth I’m afraid of. I’ve been dreaming of a time when the Irish are sick to death of Fianna Fail, Fine Gael, and spit upon their names alongside Cromwells” etc.

    For a totally wonkish / frighteningly boffin take on all this, David Byrne takes it to the river:

    “And you may find yourself living in a shotgun shack. And you may find yourself in another part of the world. And you may find yourself behind the wheel of a large automobile
    And you may find yourself in a beautiful house, with a beautiful wife. And you may ask yourself-Well…How did I get here?…..
    This is not my beautiful house!
    And you may tell yourself
    This is not my beautiful wife!
    And you may ask yourself
    What is that beautiful house?
    And you may ask yourself
    Where does that highway go?
    And you may ask yourself
    Am I right?…Am I wrong?
    And you may tell yourself

    Now, that’s what I call political writing. A song to soundtrack the tragic implosion taking place all along the Naas Road that will lead me back toward the banks of the Oveg and the Nore this summer:

  6. I agree with the view pseudonoms are not an issue, people can find out who people are if they so wish.

    Opinions should stand up irrespective of the name behind it.

    As for the value of this list?

    For me it derives it’s ultimate value from the opportunity to learn from others, acquire greater information on the subject matter and as a way to keep up to speed on breaking news.

    It is also an opportunity to share views around issues such as the following:

    1. Currently our zombie Government is blocking a whistleblowers charter that would protect those coming forward with information about institutional crime.

    2. Our zombie Government will not bring forward legislation to deal with white collar crime. This would have the form of a team of 3-5 special prosecutors knowledgeable on financial white collar crime, overseen by an experienced judge, or variant of this.

    3. Our zombie Government is blocking the election system itself by preventing bye elections in Dublin South and Donegal that will bring them down.

    4. Bankers/politicians responsible for the mess still in situ boosting their pensions in some cases, increasing their bonuses and salaries in other cases.

    • opinions should stand up irrespective of the name, race, creed behind them.



      Check see if this site has been hacked?


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