Growing up in Belfast, my wife was urged by teachers – with limited success, it must be said – to read CS Lewis for the essential Christian message in his writings. Lewis, the brilliant creator of The Chronicles of Narnia, is often described as an English writer. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. This is the man who wrote of his first visit to England that ‘‘the strange English accents with which I was surrounded seemed like the voices of demons.
But what was worst was the English landscape – I have made up the quarrel since; but at that moment I conceived a hatred for England which took many years to heal’’.
Like many Northern Irish Protestants, his relationship with England – and, by extension, Ireland ,was considerably more complex than the political posturing at Stormont this weekend would suggest. In later life, Lewis described an experience which many of us who have spent time in England will recognise.
‘‘Like all Irish people who meet in England, we ended by criticisms of the inevitable flippancy and dullness of the Anglo Saxon people. After all, there is no doubt that the Irish are the only people – I would not gladly live or die among another folk.”
Despite living in exile in Oxford for most of his adult life, he kept his connection to Ireland, even going on his honeymoon in 1958 to Crawfordsburn – a picturesque village in Co Down beside beautiful Helen’s Bay.
Lewis’s Irishness is the same type of multidimensional Irishness that was on display yesterday in Croke Park. Hundreds of politically British, Ulster Unionist and DUP voters were wearing Irish jerseys as if it was the most natural thing in the world. They sat happily in the Hogan Stand, oblivious to the fact that it was built to commemorate Michael Hogan, the Tipperary captain shot by the Black and Tans on Bloody Sunday – who themselves were under military orders to keep Ireland both British and unionist.
Maybe CS Lewis, the Belfast man who created the parallel universe of Narnia, would have smiled at the ambiguity of it all.
But the beauty of Narnia for children is that it is a fantasy world where they are the main players, far away from the drudge, rules and dreariness of the world of adults. It is a playful place of talking animals and adventure – just the type of place that children themselves would imagine if they could.
Narnia is a dream world, which doesn’t mean that everything is saccharine sweet. There are pitfalls, there are nasty witches and dangerous, duplicitous characters, but there is also hope. When the children walk through the wardrobe, and enter Narnia, they enter a different world.
Last Thursday, I walked into an economic Narnia – a world of possibilities, optimism and positive energy – which was so far away from the relentless reality of Ireland’s battered economy that it was inspiring just to be there. The only difference is that this Narnia is real. It is not a fantasy. It is a world where Irish entrepreneurs are doing their stuff, where young and very charming Americans have blazed a trail. It is the world captured by the Dublin Web Summit. The idea, conceived by a young man called Paddy Cosgrove, was to bring some of the world’s most successful young web entrepreneurs here to talk to Irish people who want to set up their own companies.
The summit was held in Trinity College and the packed house heard how a laidback, laconic Californian called Craig Newmark created the world’s biggest classified ad site.
The site serves over 20 billion page views per month, putting it in 37th place overall among websites worldwide and 11th place overall among websites in the United States. It has over 49.4 million unique monthly visitors in the United States with over 80 million new classified advertisements each month, Craigslist is the leading classifieds service in any medium. The site receives more than one million new job listings each month, making it one of the top job boards in the world.
The company has fewer than 50 employees and an estimated turnover of $200 million. Craig Newmark, who said he had no interest in selling the company or in money in general, is the man who, more than anyone else, is responsible for shaking the foundations and the income stream of the newspaper industry. For a journalist, this man represents a huge threat, but I was transfixed by the opportunities he evidenced.
Next up was the very charming Matt Mullenweg, the 27-year-old creator of WordPress. WordPress is the software programme that is favoured by bloggers and used on over 200 million websites worldwide.
One of the key developers of WordPress is an Irishman, Donncha O’Caoimh. The world of Mullenweg is one of limitless growth and, as pointed out by a question from the floor, he makes his money from the efforts of others. In what Marx would have called turbo capitalism, all these ‘web 2.0’ millionaires are making their cash explicitly from other people using their technology and increasing the value of their sites and products exponentially. For young Irish entrepreneurs, the opportunities on the web do seem enormous, and more important, as some of the ideas are so simple and cheap to set up, it has to be worth a go. At the conference, I also heard Irish entrepreneurs Dylan Collins of Jolt, Colm Lyon of Realex, Ciaran Bollard of Muzu and Fred Karlsson of donedeal.ie, explain how they created their companies.
The most fascinating thing about these entrepreneurs was the sense that they all had created something out of nothing. They saw opportunities with small -or, in some cases, no – investment, and went for it. Now anyone involved in the tech world knows this is not how it works. There are too many bankrupt venture capitalists around for this to be easy.
In fact, in the tech game, the difference between success and failure is often wafer-thin. One of the most interesting aspects of many of the experiences was how many successes stem from competitors making elementary mistakes. These mistakes seem elementary now but, given that there is no blueprint to follow, how could anyone have known any different?
For a brief moment, listening to the chronicles of this financial Narnia, it is easy to forget the world of Nama, Anglo and developers’ loans. There was precious little about why things can’t be done, only talk of what can be achieved. But this isn’t Narnia. These companies are real, and the explosion of what is called ‘disruptive commerce’ (which refers to companies which are disrupting the ‘normal’ way of doing things by using new technology) is here to stay. Arguably, this is the future – or at least part of it.
CS Lewis created a new world simply by using his imagination. In fact, he created a parallel world. Imagine our own parallel world where, at one side of the wardrobe, we have the dross of the banks, the property hangover, Nama and the politicians who led us into this.
On the other side, we have the opportunities afforded to Irish entrepreneurs which will allow them to transcend the limitations of this country. Despite all the obstacles, like CS Lewis, we can do this.









Oh!
David is REALLY animated about George Lee’s resignation on twitter! He is right.
Go for it, David! Get together with George, Joe, and Shane.
I will row-in; I’m certain that most people here will, too. They are good people, willing to put their shoulders to the wheel and crying out for change and a new and real “Leader” with integrity.
Do it.
83% of a poll on the Joe Duffy Show conducted in a 10 minute spell backed George Lee in his decision to resign. There were people phoning in saying that they voted for him because of what he stood for, and not because of the party that he was listed on. There were also a collection of FG party loyalists trying to undermine him. One in particular was Southside class consciousness to the extreme and was treating him like a toddler and he stood his ground and was not talking any of her condescension. It was clear from the people calling that Lee goes across several spectrums in terms of support.
Heck….The people are animated. A large proportion of the people are animated. This is like Saipan. Enda Kenny as the new John Delaney.
Mediocrity is not good enough. Reassurances are not good enough. The ‘we are having no-debate’ scenario is not good enough. The ‘your betters know better’ mantra is not good enough. The carpet is being pulled from under the mediocre elements in Irish authority.
I hope that this sends out a signal to the rest of Irish society to be more open and honest about incompetence in Irish society, and that others will be as brave as Lee. When this sort of thing happens it is vital that we support the principled individual. That the cliques and cronies do not succeed in exacting retribution on somebody who stands up and tells the truth.
Ivan Yates is a very wealthy insider; he has his massive “Bookie” income from his ownership of Celtic bookmakers and he has his ministerial salary and he has his income from his radio show on Newstalk.
Go figure.
And he is so blantently obvious in protecting his interests. Laughing at George Lee like that, what a scumbag Yates is. I have no real affection for Mr Lee, but I think he is an honest man, and I think he saw and reacted the way any decent intelligent person would.
Ivan Yates just showed, for everyone to see, the type of politicians we are being led by. Within the Dail, they hold up legislation for party political advantage, they are playing a game and throwing the dice with our future. They are not in touch with the real world. And when an outsider calls them on it, they resort to their first defense, they mock them.
When are we going to do something about this?
Who is going to start the ball rolling? Because this ball will gain momentum fast.
Even Leo Vradakar is laughing at him for not “playing the game” “the slow grind of Irish Politics”…
Do these politicians not realise that it is up to them to change the game and the system, not play the game, like politicians always have done.
We need change, who is going to start it?
What does it take to set up a political party? How much funding is needed? What legal steps are needed?
We need tthe right minds, in one room at the same time.
And the minds are there, the people are fed up in significant numbers and the internet can side step any controlling interests hi jinks.
hmmm interesting, gain support through a huge internet campaign and a website where you can clearly state your agenda. Link to blogs such as this one.
people are buying George Lee’s lines way, way too easily, where is the usual levels of analysis, I am actually quite shocked.
Political machinery is hi jacked and working for the rigged economy.
Lee saw it and it made him ill.
The people can see what lee saw.
The, politics as usual, to night, is crumbling into dust.
Ivan Yeats was totally right about George Lee on liveline tonight. The ego of Lee is quite unbelievable in that he felt he could walk onto the opposition benches and change Government policy after only a day in the dail.
The reality of Lee is that he doesn’t appear to realise that when you are in opposition you make your own tea – and you can forget about any formulation of Govt or economic policy.
Lee had everything handed to him on a plate. He would almost certainly have been a member of the Cabinet in two years time. But he didn’t want to do the donkey work of being a TD – attending the funerals, clinics in pubs at night time.
The reality is that he comes across as someone who is lazy, ungrateful and with a very high opinion of himself.
No doubt he’ll walk back into a cosy job in RTE (where he regrets leaving no doubt).
Tonight Lee talked of the 435000 unemployed. Well tonight he personally added to that figure by sacking his Dail office staff.
Robert, you just dont get it!!!!!
We don’t want our politicians tending to the individual needs of punters in clinics. This is a bye gone era of Ireland. We have moved on. Our population is now well educated, we live in cities, and less in rural areas. This is the whole problem with Ireland.
We want our politicians doing the real work of formulating policy and implementing it. Not standing on soap boxes in local pubs, “playing the game” and shaking hands.
Grow up.
PaulJCollins,
You show a remarkable naivety in stating that “We don’t want our politicians tending to the individual needs of punters in clinics”
All politics is local and clinics are a part and parcel of every elected parliamentarian in the world. The problem with Ireland is that being a small parochial country, with elected TDs (sometimes of the same party) competing with each other for votes in the same constituency – well you tend to get the system we have.
How many papers did Lee release on his economics ideas since being elected to the Dail? NONE.
The fact is that Lee didn’t even leave his RTE job as he went on career break – which points to evidence that he wasn’t serious from the beginning.
Robert.
Come on for goodness sakes. Ireland made politics that way and it can be re made we are not shackled to cave man like ways of the ignorant past.
Brokerage politics is lame and part of a cultural mindset fossilizing as i comment this point.
Also, you and the meeja pundits keep missing lees point, over and over. Lee entered into politics to do politics in a way he determined through the lens of his own discernment and it clashed with the way things are done in the dail at the bar.
Robert.
Show a better way at doing politics and change will take hold.
Look what lee’s achieved in 9 months.
Wills,
Lee achieved absolutely nothing.
He could have negotiated with Kenny – i.e. Should FG enter Government (which is very likely) that he would be given an economic ministry (maybe Enterprise, Trade & Employment). Then he would have had the levers of power st his disposal to work for the unemployed he keeps talking about.
But he didn’t want it – So he engineered a list of waffle to gain favour with the public.
“But he didn’t want it – So he engineered a list of waffle to gain favour with the public.”
@ precisely or else he was a Trojan Horse.
I don’t know how anyone can defend Irish Politics, a system which has consistently failed its citizens since the 1920′s. It is a joke. This was obvious to me even back in the 80′s, but, back then it was easy to keep people quiet.
Dilly,
Did political systems elect crooks like Haughey, Ahern, Burke, Lawlor etc. . . .?
“Systems” don’t elect politicians – People do. And the people are responsible for their Government.
You can’t be serious and honest when you say that?
No TD who has a career takes a complete break from it? They all have a way back in. That’s why so many are teachers in name. Perhaps you didn’t know that; otherwise it was a disingenuous remark regarding George Lee. Honesty is paramount at this stage in our society. Paramount.
Lee was muzzled.
Robert – you have claimed that the government has an economic policy – thanks for telling me that. Because I have seen no evidence of a coherent economic policy. Same applies to the others. No party except SF has an economic policy – and the SF economic policy is completely ‘bananas’.
The Dail has a serious deficiency in economics expertise. One would expect Kenny-lite to make use of a second economist. He didn’t. In fact the first economist was badly caught out by this crisis, with his policy framework having to be completely redesigned after the people figured that ANIB was a turkey, and he found himself adrift.
Apart from that, we have got a feeling for what FG would be like in government over the last 24 hours. And it has been a real insight. They are just as arrogant and unaccountable as anybody else. Except maybe the GP (who now set the high water mark standard in applied arrogance and nepotism in Irish politics). I have listened to Olivia Mitchell lying through her teeth in a manner that would teach Dick Roche lessons in deceit. I have listened to FG activists attack George Lee that makes ILP activists look mildly spontaneous and less than sinister. But the one thing that has really hit me is that FG are still infected by class nonsense, and a collection of amatuers at the top. And like all amatuers they are riddled with opportunism. FG are people who are in politics because they think that they are the people who should be in charge. It has absolutely nothing to do with doing a job. FF at least get that it is about doing a job.
Lee should have started from a blank canvass. Lee told us about dozy deputies in the Dail – and ever since the dozy deputies running his own party have been holding him down.
surprised Deco that you could be so easily taken in.
Why didn’t Lee stay on as an Independent?
More to it my man.
When you speak about amateurs,one thing springs to mind.
Politicans = Amateurs
Bankers/Developers = Professionals.
Just look how well we did there.
I wouldnt say that is naivety, I would think that no one here wants Irish politics to continue as they are. Paul is right, we need to change the way politics is played in this country. That is the problem. Politicians spend years learnoing to play the “Game”.
Geroge Lee didnt want to play the “Game”, he wanted to make a difference. We need to change the system.
It is naive to think the system should stay the same Robert.
Geroge Lee didnt want to play the “Game”
Hilarious.
You can’t be serious surely?
I’m not sure what is worse the ineptitude or our politicians or the self-delusion of people including those 27,000 who voted Lee in.
Robert,
The petty local needs of this, that and the other constituent in George Lee’s constituency are not a priority right now.
Mr Lee has an MSc in Economics from the London School of Economics and you want him to attend local clinics and parent-teacher meetings in local schools?
For heaven’s sake, we need leaders, not long-suffering ‘listening’ politicians, who in fact spend most of those clinics switched off, staring out the window or whatever.
that’s what you sign up for when you enter politics, you are a public servant, I am sure he could have delegated some of it, but in some aspects it is the beauty to our system.
Americans were amazed that they could get the equivalent of their secretary of state at a sit down meeting called a clinic, normally based over or in a pub, they thought it was incredible access and far more democratic.
I accept dealing with ‘small’ issues can hint at small-mindedness and parochialism. But neither should these people be far removed from those they are elected to serve.
Having a MSc in Economics from LSE shouldn’t be an indication of much bar an ability to remember and pass exams, its who you are and what you do with that ‘knowledge’ that is the question.
Lee had his chance and blew it, so back to RTE he goes, with even less credibility.
I think Robert absolutely nailed it in one – couldn’t have put it better.
Lee’s bluff has been called, easier to talk about change than actually working patiently towards it.
Well done Robert for putting it on the line.
Robert, I assume you are a FG’r. Your’e complete lack of intelligence and clarity shines through for all to see.
If George Lee was so inept and useless, why did your party, led by that mayo stonefarmer Enda, offer George a front bench post when he first threathened to resign?
This is the Fine Gael way of doing politics is it? George threatens to quit, FG offers him front bench post. George sticks to his decision, FG lambasts him in the press. So the man is good enough to be a front bencher one day, and not good enough to be a party member the next.
Hilarious. FG are worse than FF. At least FF have some idea how to run the country, can you imagine the shambles we would be in with FG in power.
Spare Change,
“At least FF have some idea how to run the country, can you imagine the shambles we would be in with FG in power”
I love your sense of humour!
We’re not just in a state of shambles at the moment, we’re way further down the scale at somewhere approaching extinction – thanks to your FF geniuses.
You’ve short changed, but you obviously have failed to notice it,
Original-Ed
Sorry I should have been more clear in what I meant to say. I am by no means a FF’r. I think FF are a bunch of idiots, but they are slightly less idiotic than FG.
Can you imagine if the FG idiots had been running the country for the past 10 years instead of the FF idiots. I think things would be even more shambolic.
Time for change we need a new political reform party in this country.
I think we should stop considering FF & FG as idiots. As organisations, they can be clumsy, but there’s no doubt that most of the individuals who make up these parties are clever and cunning swines.
Here is a video I put together, hope you enjoy.
http://moneyplanetreviews.blogspot.com/
Can we start with a charter designed for public representatives including TDs?
Stuff like
1. I will not pass on this seat to another family member.
2. I will not attend funerals of people I barely know.
3. I will not interfere in medical card applications.
4. I will not look into pot-holes repairs.
5. I will not look into footpath repairs.
(simple examples above, but obviously will contain more serious ethical affairs)
…and so on and on, so if an election candidate signs this charter, he/she will know that he/she will get a higher preference from me in the polling booth than the other candidates in the constituency who do not sign up.
Colin_in_exile, Please post that onto the etherpad that we are contributing to?:
http://etherpad.com/OwNzsgQpSa
6. I will answer the question,the whole question and nothing but the question.
7. I will apoint people to state boards because of their competence and ability – and for now other consideration.
@ Colin_in_exile – that’s more like it!!
The internet is an amazing phenomenon and I believe that for some people in Ireland it offers the way out of this conundrum.
The start up costs are very low and there is plenty of world class free software with which to begin building your vision. With software like WordPress you dont need any technical skills now because a web site can be put together in a couple of hours with a little help from one who knows how.
Success does not happen overnight and it can take you a few years before you find your groove but for some of us out in the regions
the internet is our last hope.
In Ireland we should be showing people examples of small successful websites and niche blogs which are run by ordinary individuals and what can be achieved by anyone who uses a little imagination and is prepared to learn how it can be done.
Availability of technology is not a problem any more. The real problem is one of education and the right kind of education at that. College is a complete waste of time because it does not focus on an individuals needs and it doesn’t really teach you anything which you could not easily teach yourself.
Instead of training people for jobs which are not there We could be helping them to harness their knowledge and experience and turn it into something more creative and imaginative. Everyone can express themselves and some bloggers do this successfully every day because they are writing about things from a different angle and they speak with a unique voice. They make sure that they are different from the next guy and they are prepared to go that extra mile when providing quality information that people find valuable … just like you get on this blog actually. Steve Pavlina is a good example of someone who uses his experience to teach others personal development and he is doing extremely well for someone whose only start up costs were the price of a domain name and a budget hosting package.
We could at least try to ensure that every unemployed person in Ireland has access to broadband, a decent pc and a centralised point of communication where they can talk to each other for guidance, mentoring and support. There would be no problem with licencing costs if these pcs ran Linux and used completely free software. There are rooms stuffed full of unused computers in our colleges which could easily be donated to unemployed people who want to use them for self improvement either alone or in community based projects.
Being an IT guy with spare time on my hands I more than willingly volunteer for work in such community based projects and use my technical abilities to help ordinary people achieve their goals. I believe that such schemes could foster a much needed sense of community once again and give people an escape from the loneliness and despair that comes with unemployment. If the will was there we would find a way. All it takes
is some fresh thinking and a departure from old school mindsets.
PS the blog is slow tonight David. Have you got caching turned on?
+1 on Steve Pavlina. Well said overall. For us in the sticks, necessity is the mother of invention.
WHo is the bearded FG ‘r on vincent browne sticking his belly into the camera.
Spokesperson for health, Dr James Reilly, aaaaarh, shiver me timbers!
ha ha, he’ll make a great Minister for Health, if he can fit the work in with the GP practice and directorships!
Enda Kenny has sat in Dáil Éireann for 33 years, drawing a salary, plus a ministerial pension (though I cannot, for the life of me, remember when he was a minister, or for what?).
What have we paid him for?
Can anybody from FG tell me of one intelligent policy that was formulated in 33 years by Enda Kenny ?
Worse, he gets in the way of anybody else who tries to formulate policy…
This is the End a’ Enda.
Still waiting…..
I’d say you could be waiting a while Deco.
When Bertie was on the ropes in 2006, EK missed his chance, fluffed the election in 2007 and has proven hapless at calling this shower of insider shysters to book.
He would, however, make a good respectable business ambassador internationally to restore our credibility. We have a shocking reputation built up, especially in the States, as archetypal rip-off merchants. That’s first hand information, not something I dreamed up.
We need to invest in building all the positive things discussed here but the real fundamentals have been seriously damaged by one element of our Narnian multiverse. Shift the Ape is running rings around Puzzle in opposition with no sign of Jill and Eustace coming to the rescue.
George Lee ( Toro del Toro ) ( The Bull of all Bulls) -
Today is the day after the day before and the beginning of the ‘george revolution’ in Irish Politics .Nothing has moved it in recent times as the human spirit that George has shown to the nation.
He arrived in the Dail to do a mandated job that he promised to do and found the system did not work .So he decided to dimantle the system first and last and allow the people rebuild a new Voice for the People.
The Nation is decaying and George does not want it to die a slow death and Time was the essence to act on it immediately and not lumber around the dail bar waiting for a political fling .
He has shown clearly in his maiden speech in the Dail his capacity to be heard by everyone and to command respect without interruption .He proved on that occassion that he told the Truth and that was acknowledged from the body language of all seated in the Dail that day.
George wants a change and he is adaptable to make a change happen .The other TDs have other issues and it does not suit them.
We NEED GEORGE .
Astro George –
Taurus is a Bull sign and that is what George is .He stands up without becoming shaken and makes it his business to command sufficient force to get what he wants .He is a formidable force to recon with and displays great loyality to his policies and beliefs.George is a real Prince .
Yesterday was his day of revelation and in these moments now and during this week the planets are releasing healing energy for those who want to use it .I believe the actions of George are a sign to us of leadership to manage those energies to heal the Nation now.
Other Taureans :
Queen Elizabeth
Pope John Paul
Mary Robinson
Bono
Tony Blair
While you are at it, John, could you get Gypsy Rose Lee (No kin?) to take a look at George’s palm on the front page of the Indo?
Ireland is also Taurus, with Leo as the Ascendent sign.
Ireland as Taurus makes absolute sense – possessive, soft-spoken, very stubborn, mildly charming with a love of home comforts. And ruled by Venus, the Goddess of music and poetry, ruled by the colour green.
http://www.spiritualcompany.com/displayFile.php?art=2
He’s in great company I see.
John Allen – you surely don’t also buy this ‘call to serve’ nonsense from Lee?
I am feeling a bit like Christ betrayed by one, denied by another and the remaining 10 nowhere to be seen!! Ironically I am also 33!
@John Allen,
John, the man isn’t in Irish politics anymore, by virtue of not what I believe is is own decision, but his own fear to REALLY stepping up to the national challenge…
The world is littered with people like George, who can talk the talk but cannot walk the walk. Why did he feel the need to get elected on a party ticket in the first place??? Why did he get into bed with a political party that proposed COMPENSATING everyone, using taxpayers funds, from Eircom share losers to disgruntled taxi drivers, only a few years ago???
George Lee is an economist, did it not bother him that he was getting involved in a party that had such an utterly defective election strategy???
His question to get involved with FG was seriously questionable in the first instance, he was right to quit the party, but to quit on those that voted for him by quitting as an elected TD, to quit on those that actually and genuinely need a George Lee to advocate on their behalf, was nothing less than enormous expression of the obviously critical lack of belief that the man has in himself.
There are people out there with sweet fuck all, who are starting new businesses, who are bursting their nuts to create a job for themselves, who are working and collaborating with others who are in the same situation, they haven’t got 100K of a salary plus unvouched expenses, or a cushy RTE number to fall back on if it all becomes a little too dull, they can ride through the problems and stay on course until they achieve the objective, so why does George Lee kind himself in a place where he is no longer able to advocate for these people???
Here here – more truth!!
Kenny gave him a soft landing last night. When a member of the audience asked Pat about Lee’s policies, an issue that arose many times from the audience, Pat said ‘sure we’d be here all night if we were to ask him about that”.
Fact is Lee has done a runner and betrayed great opportunities to develop policies and improvements to political life.
He’s also betrayed other gifted people who may be tarnished by his petulant, schoolboy antics.
If RTE give him Charlie Bird’s job, they’d be crazy to do so!
As far as I can see his contribution to political life, real policies to improve the lot of the people has been wiped out, less than any kid
on a visit to Dail Eireann!
Kenny last night was full of empty waffle from Lee who seemed to enjoy the limelight!
The man has betrayed reform by giving much needed succour to FF clowns and made suckers of the rest of us.
We deserve better!
He’s also betrayed other gifted people who may be tarnished by his petulant, schoolboy antics.
The man has betrayed reform by giving much needed succour to FF clowns and made suckers of the rest of us.
ABSOLUTELY – people must learn there are no quick fixes, especially from so called celebrity candidates, George jumped for reasons that were far from him ‘not being used properly’ – self-interest (yet again) ruled the day!
Plank is on the radio. Talking to FG leading lights. (sic). FG are circling the wagons. What is FG’s policy on the number 1 issue – the economy ?
The Americans do humor (or humour) very well.
http://economicrot.blogspot.com/2010/02/weekend-funnies-6-feb-2010.html
None of these cartoons were publiched before Sarah Palin’s latest comments on how America should be run…
Maybe there is an Irish opportunity for something similar. There is an opportunity.
DarraghD – George acted with remarkable foresight and revealed the uselessness of the present house of commons in Dublin .Nobody has done that before in recent times .He is human , he is alone in his actions, he is brave , he is honest, he wants to do for the country what we should be doing ,he put his country before his goodself, and he is transparent . Alone he did more than anyone here on this site or this country has done.
Allow the people decide what they want next and that decision will decide the fate of the Nation of Ireland or whats left of it.
John, where is the foresight in joining a party that intended to compensate anyone with a vote on the last occasion??? The dogs on the street know that Enda Kenny will never be the leader of this country.
The people HAVE decided what they want, they decided that they wanted George Lee to represent them and George Lee has walked away from his mandate. I fully commend him for doing so in respect of his membership of Fine Gael, however, resigning your Dail seat when you were in a position to start a new political party??? There are people up and down the country who would give their right arm to get elected to the Dail and start a new political organisation,
George Lee was, until yesterday, in what could only be described as a perfect position to challenge all that he is complaining about in respect of his 165 colleagues in Dail Eireann, the institutionalisation, the inherent laziness, the corruption, the lack of vision, the furtherance of self interests over the interests of the state.
Resigning from Fine Gael, I agree 200% with.
Resigning his seat as a TD, I have a huge issue with. He is big enough to point out the flaws in the system but is not big enough to lead the change to replace them… Wonderful. This puts him in the same place as those other 165 clowns he is complaining about.
I agree that Lee should have left FG and set up as an indepedent. You never know, he mighr have started an avalanche, and other TD’s might have followed suit.
But life is tough for an independent TD, maybe George realised change would be even more impossible to achieve from the outside.
pointless been an independent if the political machinery is rigged.
http://www.sbpost.ie/commentandanalysis/theres-only-one-system-that-matters-and-its-broken-47205.html
I’m inclined to agree with Wills comment. As so many have stated here, Ireland is in practice a one-party state with a couple of hues to select from. Neither FF nor FG have fundamentally different visions for the country (no vision at all in my view). The political system in Ireland is configured to produce pot-hole fillers and party loyalists, not statesmen and leaders. I strongly suspect this is something that Lee is now keenly aware of.
yep, without a doubt, we need a new political party.
See my little video at http://moneyplanetreviews.blogspot.com/
Sorry John Allen – think your comment hopelessly naive.
He could have stayed on as an independent, allowed the dust to settle and evaluated things.
A very confused man it seems, with ridiculous expectations and a self-image that exceeds his actual ability.
Why doesn’t Lee start a business?.Instead, he will parachute back into Montrose and draw an amazing 150k a year.Do the BBC and Itv pay their economics correspondents as much?.I doubt it.Cowen , Kenny, Bruton,John Delaney are equally hopeless, all got their break through nepotism.
Slick, people who start up businesses are cut from a completely different cloth than George Lee. George Lee talks the talk, if I had a hundred hands with a hundreds fingers on each of those hands, I wouldn’t have been able to count the number of times the man stated the word, “policy” or “policies” yesterday on the national airwaves.
People who start businesses and people who drive change, they just get stuck in and TAKE ACTION. Policies are for protecting what you have built, after you have built it. If you tried starting a business by talking about your business policies, you would never start a business. You start by getting a product or a service together and then selling to customers. This takes action, courage and conviction.
The man who sits down to start a business and starts talking about his policies is on the road to a hiding.
George could have come on Frontline last night and called people to engage with him in a political renewal, he could have called people to peaceful protest for a general election. This is what he could have done to protect his children’s and his grandchildren’s future, which is apparently the reason why he went into politics in the first place.
When his kids and his grandkids ask what he did when the chips were down, he could have said that he led the change to the political renewal of the country, what they will end up hearing now is that he dithered and then he bottled it when the moment came.
DarraghD: I agree with everything you say here. Lee is just a Little Man cut from the same cloth as Endless Kenny, with nothing of the leader about him. As a gamekeeper turned poacher he was suspected by everyone in all parties. as being in the Dail only to gather material for a book that might derail their gravy train, as happened in Westminster. If four Westminster thieves could be prosecuted, I wonder how many in the Dail would end up in Port Laoise if the same standards were applied here.
Wee Georgie never stood a chance against the seasoned Bonny and Clyde gang.
Got it one. +8
Whoops, got it in one on the gamekeeper point and all points following.
George from what i can gather about him from afar does not want to be a leader, he is looking for the political machinery to be used in the interests of everyone and he ran into a brick wall on that one and ‘exited staaaaaaaggeee left’.
DarraghD – resigning his seat …speaks volumes – we are ALL listening to his message….and so are U Darragh ….thats amazing do you agree?
one more thing it was nice of Simon Coveney to give us an insight on FG way of doing business:
(From Independent)
“Communications spokesman Simon Coveney claimed the resignation was a “significant setback” as it bids to attract new candidates and votes.
“This is a significant setback There’s no point in trying to spin it any other way,” he said.
There is no point trying to spin it, so they obvioulsy havent told Mitchell, Varadkar that. They seem intent on spin.
Spin, Spin, Spin, no wonder they are all so dizzy
No I think it’s hard to understand what is going on in the mans head. Yet again my view is the same, it’s time to stop talking and it’s time for ACTION. Action is what gets things done. George Lee should have called a press conference, told everyone he was leaving FG and was starting up a new political party that would be based on a RESULTS DRIVEN Philosophy. Meaning JOB CREATION IMMEDIATELY, the state making working capital available to small businesses IMMEDIATELY, and cutting defective zombie banks completely out of the loop.
The truth in reality is that Geroge Lee don’t know a thing about job creation and he simply isn’t in a position to lead on this issue, which is the most important issue that we have to face up to in this country.
If Ireland is serious about developing a ‘Smart Economy’ it should sponsor 100 of our brightest and best to attend the 2010 International Conference on Information and Knowledge Engineering
Date and Location: July 12-15, 2010, Las Vegas, USA
SCOPE: Topics of interest include, but are not limited to, the following:
O Knowledge management and cyber-learning
O Information reliability and security
O Information and knowledge structures
O Information retrieval systems
O Knowledge mining
O Knowledge delivery methods
O Knowledge life cycle
O Knowledge and information extraction and discovery techniques
O Knowledge classification tools
O Knowledge and information management techniques
O Knowledge extraction from images/pictures
O Large-scale information processing methods
O Intelligent knowledge-based systems
O Re-usability of software/knowledge/information
O Aspect-oriented programming
O Formal and visual specification languages
O Decision support and expert systems
O e-Libraries (digital libraries) + e-Publishing
O Digital typography
O Agent-based techniques and systems
O Workflow management
O Large-scale information processing methods and systems
O Content management
O Database engineering and systems
O Data and knowledge fusion
O Data and knowledge processing
O Databanks – issues, methods, and standards
O Dataweb models and systems
O Data/Information/Knowledge models
O Data warehousing and datacenters
O Data security and privacy issues
O Managing copyright laws
O Interoperability issues
O Transaction systems
O Ontologies and semantics
O Object-oriented modeling and systems
O Case-based reasoning
O Digital watermarking
O Classical aspects of information theory
O Coding theory
O Information geometry
O Quantum information theory
O Applications (e-Commerce, multimedia, business, banking, …)
O Emerging technologies and related issues
The rest of us can catch up later as the proceeding will be published online.
Malcolm – I agree with you but for now our smart economy is ‘follow george’.
Hi David, Hi All,
Its been a while, I hope your Xmas and new year were good. And yes, I realise its February 8th!
David, You were quite prolific over the
holiday and January freeze period with your articles but I have been reading them when I got the time in recent weeks.
In terms of this article and Narnia, I would have thought that the financial system in many countries was(IS) in fact a type of Narnia where credit levels were(ARE) not based on realities but were(ARE) in fact based on imagination.
Indeed, currency is based on “imagination” as there is nothing backing it up. Its fiat money. Its not representative of work already done or ‘capital formation’ but is ‘printed’ and ‘eased’ into our financial systems which is based on trust.
We deal everyday in euros, US dollars, JP Yen, etc, but these are Narnia-money, Narnia-dollars if you will. Planet Earth (reality) is in debt to Narnia-land (the future earth?).
As for the tech world and that web conference, it is filled with enthusiasm, unbridalled, and thats part of the culture. But you have to remember that for every 100 ideas or indeed 1000 ideas, only one will work in the end and that may be largely due to chance (circumstances beyond control) although the entrepreneurs themselves may not even recognise it as such.
However, to produce winners we have to ‘play the game’ and give people sufficient background education, imagination, and crucial support, plus have a business environment and government which encourages such new businesses.
On many of those facets, Ireland is lacking and/or severly lagging. Our domestic market is small, we think and act parochial and old habits have not died out. So we are far from a Switzerland with its own Novartis, etc, and our indigenous companies of scaled success are few and far between.
And whats our government doing? Putting billions into failed bank businesses which wont generate a single cent of export revenue. Go figure, as the yanks would say …..
MK1
……………….And lance the boil?
WB MK1
In terms of George Lee, I think there are probably many ‘wrongs’ on both sides, and naivety. It is true, if George really wanted to be a polician and was unhappy with FG, then there was nothing to stop him becoming an independent. The fact that he didnt speaks volumes and whilst FG may be circling the wagon a bit, George is probably only telling it how he sees it and not really as it is.
For all, its been discussed before, but the only way to change political parties in Ireland and the system is TO FORM and VOTE for a NEW PARTY.
Even Pa Kenny recognises that Turkets dont vote for Xmas. Tim here may be trying in his small way to change the system, but dont hold your breath on that, and I dont doubt his bona fides. George too, and I have a lot of time for George Lee in general and respect his economic opinions, also may have thouhg he could change things. But it aint easy.
And forming a new party which wants to change the system wont be easy either. But if no-one does, the status quo will remain.
So, has anyone spotted any new parties out there???? There are a few small ones but are there policies sane enough yet radical enough to make real change?
Pointers welcome ….
MK1
MK1 good to see you.
the cuckoo has a lot to teach political parties – it lays the eggs and then leaves them to others to rear them – if we formed a ‘cuckoo alliance’ and became elected and after election choose one of the main parties and reform it from within then the mecahanisms remain in place to be used and the reform proceed without restraint. Essentially it is a chicken and egg story.
John,
FF has always got away with playing the Cuckoo, but this time Bertie’s ego fooled them into believing that they were normal and they are now left hatching their own eggs for the very first time. So far only vultures have emerged and they’re refusing to leave the nest.
Viva Cuckoo Alliance
Would that make Tim our resident cuckoo??
Best option is an alliance of a broad base of small partys each with a main individual agenda.
Think about it, each of us here could easily set up a small site outlining one agenda or policy. As each gains support we band together and role out an overall agenda for one party.
Forget about reform from within, revolution from outside is whats needed.
Regarding the set up of a new political party, I would propose the following:
1. Capture the youth vote 18-25. Traditionally this section of society has the lowest voter turnout because they do not relate to politicians or politics. Their primary concern is College/Education & Job Creation. We need a young person, perhaps an ex- student union president who can unite the young voters together.
Possible initives that could be put in place would be to approach all large companies with 50+ employees, to take on 1 to 5 people aged under 30, who are currently on the dole, for a period of one year/12 months. They will be paid a set wage of €18k for the year. Their wages will be supplemented by social welfare (€900 pm / €10,800 per annum), so that the actual cost to the company will only be €7,200 for the year. At the end of the one year period the company can decide whether to keep the employees and give them a full time contract. This is just one method that could create thousands of jobs.
Review the current education system to allow people who return to college/university to recieve social welfare/grants. I was recently dismayed to hear the story of a friend who having been made redundant and was on the dole. He decided to better himself and return to 3rd level eductaion to get an accountancy degree only to be told that if he did so, he would lose his social welfare benefits. It seems that the government is happy for people to stay on th dole, but if they want to improve their lot they are punished. This system is ridiculous.
2. Renewable Energy. Oil is running out, Wind, Wave, Tidal & Solar Energy is the future. There is no better time than the present to reposition Ireland so that it can become a major plaayer in this sector. Investment and grants to be given to renewable energy companies to help increase the amount of energy we harness from renewable sources. With this platform we could capture the Green Vote.
3. Banking Reform: After everything that has happended in the past 2 years, including the financial crisis & meltdown that led to this mess, not one thing has been done to reform the fianancial system. The banks are going to continue to resort to the same practices, as they have gotten away with robbing us blind, without any reproach. Heads need to role here, even the US managed to find a flag boy for their woes in Bernie Madoff. We need to put some of these bankers like Sean Fitzpatrick & Fingleton in jail, just to send a message out to the rest of them. What they did was criminal and they need to learn that crime does not pay, beacuse all we have shown them so far is that crime does pay.
Banks should be regulated severely so that retail banks can no longer gamble with the publics money. If a bank wants to be an investment bank, it needs to set up an independent seperate division which will not be bailed out by taxpayers, and if it fails it will go bust.
4. The 25-35 age bracket. We need to give these people with young families and small businesses help. These are the most at need in Irish Society. These are the people with large mortgages and young children. I would propose a NAMA for private residential mortgage holders who are in negative equity. Their properties should be revalued at todays prices and their mortgages reduced to reflect those values.
Also a change to our draconian debt laws. People should not go to prison for owing the bankers money, the very bankers who are ripping us of with the help of our current politicians.
5. 35- 65 the tradition FF’s & FG’s. I think there is enough scandal within the traditional parties to gain a large segment of support here. All we need to do is rock the boat a little bit more.
6. Over 65′s: Any idea’s welcome
Plus: total transparancy and accountability. Party member’s incomes, contributions, directorships etc fully disclosed online.
http://moneyplanetreviews.blogspot.com/
enjoy
In the wake of George Lee’s resignation, I would like to see all the opposition TDs do likewise as soon as Brian Lenihan seeks to pump additional public funds into the zombie banks, namely Anglo and Irish Nationwide. Such action will serve to highlight once again that we are living under a dictatorship of (thieving, banking) incompetents. The only RESOLUTE action would be for Labour, FG, and the remaining opposition members to retire from the Dáil and have nothing further to do with futile opposition and theft of public monies until after a General Election.
furrylugs – dont we know Spring has arrived and Tim is singing in his class waiting to fly to NARNIA
Paulmcd – I agree .I believe George did leave too because he did not want to endorse a house of commons in our country that was preparing to enslave the people of Ireland and their families and ignore the advise of IMF . So he got out on time.So should the others and by doing so they will tell the WORLD the Corruption that is elected without a mandate.This will STOP NAMA .
posters:
The political machinery is rigged.
http://www.sbpost.ie/commentandanalysis/theres-only-one-system-that-matters-and-its-broken-47205.html
Patrick Honohan’s address today, to the people at Trinity College:
http://centralbank.ie/data/NewsFiles/Address%20by%20Governor%20Patrick%20Honohan%20to%20the%20Trinity%20College%20Alumni%20Career%20Network.pdf
Here’s Patrick Honohan’s take on our future –
http://centralbank.ie/data/NewsFiles/Address%20by%20Governor%20Patrick%20Honohan%20to%20the%20Trinity%20College%20Alumni%20Career%20Network.pdf
Folks, Euro-mess; the blind leap into the single currency caused alot of the damage (I remember DMcW wrote about this in his book, too):
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/09/anatomy-of-a-euromess/
Tim: This from a Stratfor letter ” If Germany does the economically prudent thing and lets Greece fail, it could force some of the rest of the eurozone to shape up and maybe even make the eurozone better off economically in the long run. But this would come at a cost: It would scuttle the euro as a global currency and the European Union as a global player. There is no doubt Germany could afford such a bailout, as the Greek economy is only one-tenth of the size of the Germany’s. But the days of no-strings-attached financial assistance from Germany are over. If Germany is going to do this, there will no longer be anything “implied” or “assumed” about German control of the European Central Bank and the eurozone. The control will become reality, and that control will have consequences. For all intents and purposes, Germany will run the fiscal policies of peripheral member states that have proved they are not up to the task of doing so on their own. To accept anything less intrusive would end with Germany becoming responsible for bailing out everyone.”
That is the end-game. Spreken sie Deutsch?
Nice to see an article with some positivity in it. Shame to see so many comments on George Lee. Nothing against the chap but theres a time and a place for politics enough energy has been wasted on the politicians.
I was once one of those entrepreneurs trying to take on the world and its a great experience. I failed but I learned a huge amount and thankfully the last couple of years and this year will be very good for my business. I might just go back and give it another lash though, I miss the buzz, the possibilities….
I don’t miss the almost manic depressive nature of the game, one day you’re talking on the world, the next you’re nowhere.
Probably all the people you spoke to David will fail with their venture. Maybe one outfit will succeed. By succeed, I mean build the thing up, and sell it on for more than they would have made in a job or bring in enough cash to pay themselves a decent wage for all the effort they put in.
Because, behind all this knowledge economy lark; those guys are in the most competitive industry there is; the barriers to entry are so low and so many bright people are having a go, it takes an amazing idea, an absolutely driven, talented and focused team to even get noticed, let alone build something up enough to pay themselves. The internet is darwinian, if something is just a tiny bit better it succeeds far more than the rest, Theres first place and then theres the losers….
Yeah, there are distractions like Enterprise Ireland and all the state qangos who supposedly nurture these entrepreneurs. They get in the way as much as anything because if youre not careful, you end up spending too much time trying to make your venture conform to their processes and procedures to get money. And morph into a corporate welfare addict. This sadly is the problem with having public servants playing at venture capitalists.
The thing is hopefully one will succeed. And hopefully of the dozens that fail a few will lick their wounds, learn a few lessons and have another go maybe after a few years back in employment.
back to George Lee. He failed… for whatever reason, only he will really know and maybe he wont even know for a few years.
But so what, he gave it a go, fair play to him, it should be a badge of honour, just like any of us who has tried to do something.
Garry
Good on you!
Good man Garry. I’m also off starting something up again. I’ve just looked at the business plan for the umpteenth time and since nothing makes any sense any more, it’s probably worthless wallpaper. I’m going to have to drive this one myself and take no prisoners along the way.
Some rules to success.
1. Don’t bother with semi-state help. It’s spent twice over before you get it
2. Don’t bother with semi-state advice. They’re just on a learning curve.
3. Start small and self fund if possible or use the Credit Unions. Nothing in the banks.
4. Trust the Wife this time
5. Don’t trust “Consultants”. Use the Internet for knowledge whereever possible.
5. Tell nobody nothing about anything at all times unless they’re paying you upfront.
Grow organically like a tree does – trees have their roots well embedded in the soil and don’t topple over with the first gust of wind. Turbo-charging is only for idiots and astronauts.
And under powered engines??
Thanks for the wise words.
original-ed – you are learning wind = air
Fair play Furry, the very best of luck to you. Look after yourself when you’re having a go. Don’t take the victories too seriously or the setbacks.
Just on George Lee, I’d love to see him back in RTE and in his old job… I’m sure his experiences would add to his journalism, if both himself and RTE would be brave enough to allow it.
Oh I don’t think so.
The Insiders close ranks here dontcha know.
Mr Tubridy and his fifth column won’t let that happen. George may however, be made FF Director of Elections. I’d say he’s added a couple of points to the next opinion poll.
6.Keep your cost’s to a minimum.
7.Don’t work hard !! Work Smart.
Well said Garry.
It has been a very educational 28 hours or thereabouts.
Several things are becomming clear.
FG are a faction and not a movement for change of any sort.
Enda Kenny is not serious material for the role of Taoiseach.
Richard Bruton does not listen to opinions contrary to his own. Even though for long periods in the last five years he failed to see this crisis coming. In fact he was as bad as anybody else in asking for more expenditure when we were spending ourselves into a financial disaster.
There is a clique running FG.
FG activists are very well organized at texting the media – especially the radio stations – to create the effect that they represent more than just a minority opinion.
FG are obsessed by class. Even now in this day and age.
FG have a dearth of talent.
FG can be even more arrogant than FF when they want to be.
Kenny will engage in any last ditch face saving exercise to prevent the truth getting out.
Thank you George Lee for making this glaringly apparent. Ireland needs a new political movement. And even more importantly Ireland needs her citizens to be extremely sceptical of the politicians.
Kennylite produced one comment that has me thinking…have we not been here before….Is this not a bit Noonan-esque ?
“From now on…I will be myself”.
Tell us Enda….who else have you been until now ?? Have you been pretending to somebody else ? And this debacle indicted to you that you need to stop trying to fool us.
Go on….ask your Taoiseach in waiting a question about macro-economics ? Denis O’Brien is rumoured to be an enthusiastic FG supporter. Maybe FG expect to ride out the storm thanks to O’Brien’s media clout. Mr. Phones has a lot of difficult questions to answer. But I am most interested in the question of why a member of the ‘tax diaspora’ should be using his wealth the determine the voting patterns of the state, when he acts as though tax is a matter for the rest of us.
I think we have seen “Peak Fine Gael”.
If this lot is evidence of us turning the corner, I’d say we’re about to meet ourselves coming the other way…
http://www.businessworld.ie/bworld/livenews.htm?a=2553105
http://www.businessworld.ie/bworld/livenews.htm?a=2552942
http://www.businessworld.ie/bworld/livenews.htm?a=2553203
Narnia meets The Lord of the Rings??
The relatively small contagion of the US sub prime problem was allowed to mutate and infect all the worlds financial systems. Similarly, as pointed out on Krugmans blog today (thanks Tim), if the Pigs relatively small (20% of Eurozone GDP??) isn’t contained and quarantined by unilateral action by Brussels, we risk infection spreading throughout Europe, assisted by the hedge fund parasites.
But I’m no economist.
As someone else said, we should be analysing why “What ” happened, not the “What”.
furrylugs – maybe Hallifax knows how dry ECB will leave our banks dry because we will have no triple A rating ASB when the time comes and that Time is upon us NOW
furrylugs – we are underestimating the ‘warning’ IMF gave the Irish Government maybe it is one of many more we are going to receive.
John,
Rats – Sink – Ship???
Your wobbles are getting fundamentally scary.
furrylugs – I have not said half what I already know and ‘scarey ‘ is an understatement.
Are Irish Euros the same as German Euros when push comes to shove?
Folks, Ronan Lyons on the unemployment figures for males under 25. Honohan should have see this before speaking to the folks at Trinity today:
http://www.ronanlyons.com/2010/02/09/more-than-half-of-all-jobs-for-young-men-have-disappeared/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+RonanLyons+%28Ronan+Lyons%29
no one has mentioned our commissioner and her new portfolio in research and technology
Last time she had anything to do with technology, she gave the local radio licence to Galway Bay FM when County Sound had three times the listenership.
But then again County Sound were critical of FF at the time.
Stet.
Furrylugs, see this piece on the Eurozone debt-crisis: Facts and Myths:
http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/4583
I find myself moving closer to David’s proposal of temporarily suspending the euro, devaluing our new punt and getting on with things.
The slash and burn tactics, underway for 14 months now, are killing jobs and killing spending, forcing most ordinary people into poverty and leading to further debt-defaults. Wage cuts, spending cuts, job-losses and consumer fear (so far from “confidence”) are all making a complete hames of the country.
If we are going to swith currency, we have only a month or so left to act, or by April 1st, the fools will have us in the toilet.
Pass the paper Tim, we’re there already. To create wealth one must have order, not a demoralised Gardai. One needs effective education from the cradle, not mothers wondering about bankruptcy nor teachers victimised into apologising for having a job. One needs visible governance to attract ethical investment not gombeenism masquerading under a Phd in Tarmacadam Politics.
One needs spiritual guidance not machiavellian reservation.
Wealth is created by hard work and the trade that ensues, not by emailing fairy money around to the next gullible target.
How many asset strippers were feted back in the 80′s and 90′s. Destroyers of sound businesses that needed help just to make a quick buck.
Are we in the toilet or have we just hit the only possible denominator available, that being the lowest.
“You can screw some of the people……….etc etc”
Sure, even the paper is running-out. But, you know I will pass it, if I get any spare.
Seriously, though; John ALLEN is right about the March rating and the govt/ECB/IMF paradigm will shift; I do not know what they are going to do, but I am continuing to stock the bunker and everyone here should, too.
I agree with every point you make in that post (suspect you already know that, though.)
Yup.
http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/4561
The last few paragraphs here are worth a read.
Common sense really. 2016 would appear to be sayonara time.
furrylugs.
The Basle II authors knew about the impossibility of running all risk into calculus and math.
These guys are full of it. The ‘off’ balance sheet scamarama all pre designed by the controlling interests and carried off to aplomb.
We are now in the next stage to their central banking tyranny CDS’s scamarama playing itself out through the hubs of the plutocratic system in place.
any takers out there on where these banking masters of the universe are taking the great paper money confidence trick next.
One World Bank, their cover will be the recession. Their intro line “if you never want a global financial crisis again, then you need a one wrold currency (Euro was stage !, Amero is stage 2) and a one world bank.”
Followed by New World Order & RFID Chips.
wills, they tried to take it to Haiti last week – The IMF actually offered that country a LOAN to get back on it’s feet!!!!!!!
Lol……..
Haiti’s never been on it’s feet – colonial/imperialist powers have made sure that it has remained on its ASS.
I’m glad the Haitians turned-down the loan.
Everyone is waking-up to the banksters.
spare change.
Welcome.
I reckon the world currency idea is simply a re hash of the fiat currency con job anyways, a mere reinvention of the con going forward.
On the chips thing i reckon this is merely joke shop stuff for amusement with a secondary hope for it to be used moreso in microelectronic gadgetry to collate more rudimentary data but we are all on some sort of a security type matrix at this stage so i dunno.
The one world bank thing is already here with bretton woods and i think for a time had quite beneficial advantages, cant believe im saying that, but after bretton II it all gets very very dubious.
I think the plutocrats are 10 steps ahead and are playing the system in more of a dennis the menace type beano comic type fashion.
furrylugs.
Makes alorra sense them links. Obliged as always.
Wills,
Its not the only con they have, the paper money con will be extended by the one world currency…who knows the paper currency pyramid scheme could last for another 100 years, then will come the electric money scam. No more paper, only cards. You can never physically put your hands on the money.
yeah youre right about the security matrix that was the mobile phones.
The IMF, the Fed, they are all just banksters, they used the depression and WWII at Bretton Woods to force IMF upon the world.
This plan has been in action for centuries. Ireland is merely a minor pawn, our politicians merely puppets.
Spare Change.
Irelands role in all of this is a fascinating part of the puzzle. Rarely spoken on anywhere and never been properly examined, particular in relation to up to date current events.
I reckon D’s articles are very helpful in this regard on putting the picture in place.
Ireland s absorption into the ‘great game’ and what is happening right now socio economically are joined at the hip and one cannot be explained without understanding the other.
Interesting lee legged it out the back door of the dail had a look about him like he glimpsed something he did not expect to see, apart from o rourke bidding him good morning collecting his morning post.
Any idea s spare change along these lines.
Would this have anything to do with the price of cabbage??
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/87729
Or this….
http://www.aerspace.ie/SNN-MAR09-NS-F.pdf
Or a little more up to date.
And look who’s in charge…………..
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/over-1270-planes-with-us-weapons-allowed-here-2031350.html
Furry
First link didnt work (indymedia)
Second link is interesting, plenty of c130 hercules landing in Shannon. I wonder what they are carrying? lol
Wills,
I’d say George Lee will be happy to have gotten out before they got really dirty on him… maybe someone caught the master at his own game, and dug up some dirt on him….
http://moneyplanetreviews.blogspot.com/
try this out
Furrylugs and tim.
Like a hot knife through butter.
One thing though. This hollowing out of the economy real time is no mean accident. The controlling interests are stage managing it every step of its wealth transferring upwards way.
All this Spin that we are reading about Greece defaulting and Eurozone debt crisis has one purpose and one purpose only……..to strenghten the US$ Dollar.
And its working.
“I find myself moving closer to David’s proposal of temporarily suspending the euro, devaluing our new punt and getting on with things.”
I’ll second that!
Success in IT startups is, unfortunately, incredibly hit and miss. Even with the best ideas the right stars have to align as well (that’s a metaphor — I’m not one of the resident Aquarians). Judging by the comments it seems there are many here who have experienced this first hand. Another truism is that the software gurus don’t necessarily make the best business people. Just like it seems the economics guru George Lee didn’t make much of a politician. You need people who can be jacks-of-many-trades and even then you’ll never get the whole package in one person. But the web enables the right collaborations like never before. And learning — anyone seriously venturing into technology has to be ready to learn faster and more broadly than they ever did/will on any college course… while STILL still somehow making a living and progressing the business. Learn ten new things before breakfast (even if you’re still up from the night before). Conventions in Las Vegas? Pah! Get the materials online and speed-read them in a spare hour or two.
And those new business ideas are bloody hard to come by. Thankfully, successful ideas don’t actually have to be entirely new — old ideas can come of age and flourish in new and unexpected ways. Example: digital audio is decades older than MP3 players or podcasting … but think of the myriad of things that had to come together before those things caught on — new synergies of software, hardware miniaturisation, standardisation in dozens of areas, new social networks, consumer critical mass, audacious Apple co-option and branding, pure dumb luck etc. etc. etc. etc. It is next to impossible to predict how and where the next synergies will materialise… or what other works-in-progress they will blow out of the water. I liken it to brain development — in your nine months in utero you produced an average of a quarter of a million new brain cells every minute, sometimes as many as fifty thousand per second! These were born in or near your neural tube, and crawled their way to the surface of your developing brain — all those little brain cells had to arrive at the right place at the right time: too early and their appointed place didn’t yet exist, too late and it was already occupied. (Ok, all you neuroscientists out there, it’s just an analogy).
Oh, and pure dumb luck — did I mention that? Like playing the lottery, the only way to increase your odds is to have a fistful of tickets in each draw, a bevy of balls in the air, an array of irons in the fire.
ps200306;
Don’t suppose you fancy a crack at running the IDA?
‘Fraid I am much too busy making an honest living. Schmoozing foreign investors wouldn’t be my forte anyway. I’m the type that prefers to be locked in a darkened room with a computer. :-)
Folks, here is an open letter to George Lee, from a FG Councillor wherein, near the end, he expresses his wish for Morgan Kelly to be Lee’s replacement! (like that’s gonna happen!):
http://www.billtormey.ie/2010/02/09/open-letter-to-george-lee/#more-555
Begod Tim, he seems like your FG doppleganger!!
Fiery stuff.
Theres a good old debate going on over on Irish Economy too.
Furrylugs, I have no doppleganger, Sir!
I am unique!
And there I was thinking that FG had made it abundantly clear that they did not need any economics advice, that they knew it all already.
What is happened is symptomatic of what authority has become in this society. In Ireland authority does not like any form of intellectual competition.
Hahaha….let’s give every form of authority loads of intellectual competition. There is nothing as powerful as an idea whose time has come.
Apart from that everything on the entire Tormey website is a load of superficial shite…the type of nonsense that every politician should say to enhance his image and that every politician should have as the optimal feelings to impress the electorate.
Except we in this country are beyond all that shite.
We judge the political establishment by the intelligence of their actions, not by the sort of worthless verse and prose that is to be found in FG activist sites.
I have learned about the sly and officious manner in which FG set out to undermine any free public discussion that undermines their interest. And I have realised what a sinister animal FG really is. The persistent campaign of having somebody defending Kennylite every hour non-stop. It is unbelievable. FG are actually unleashing venom on Lee as some sort of systematic campaign at character assassination.
Behind Mr.Soft, we are seeing the real FG and what a nasty vicious peice of work they are.
Tim.
Haiti IMF thing is something.
An offer went to haiti to wipe their debts clean too, and i got to thinking will the french hand back the compensation the haitians paid out to their old uninvited colonial masters now that they are in dire need. What is it, 21 billion i think paid out over 150 years, something like that, (hello G).
The french handing back this stolen cash would go a long way in rebuilding haiti.
Bit off topic but my Drivel Alarm went off again – starting to cost a fortune in batteries.
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/drumm-less-treatments-does-not-mean-cutbacks-445474.html
Joan Burton is going on air with Vincent Brown, tonight. Worth a look. TV3.
I was wondering what news was buried with Georgie and the Banshees dominating the headlines. Then I copped that the bould Senator Ross seemed a little quiet. But he wasn’t. This is atrocious stuff if we retain any sense of outrage at all.
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/shane-ross/shane-ross-goodbody-takes-a-bath-in-aib-2052049.html
Insider Dealing is to small a charge for that crap.
Furrylugs.
Thanks for links on cabbage prices, it stinks.
Folks, Brian Lucey AND Peter Mathews on Vincent Brown show…… important.
Good to see Joan Burton gets her research information from the Irish Times…….
sigh………..
Spare Change, the laziness of those with their snouts in the trough is almost immeasureable.
This is the level of “opposition”.
George Lee bore testament to it; he blew the whistle.
He has been buried.
Only we, the people, can raise him again.
The “opposition” is in leage with the government in order to prevent change. All the Dáil buddies want to maintain their status-quo.
What they show to us plebs, on the news and Oireachtas report, is just “Drama”.
Lokks like Davids proposal for some drastic Euro decisions is gaining ground.
I’ll be heading for the dollar meself if this hots up…
http://www.roubini.com/euro-monitor/258379/the_option_of_last_resort__a_two-currency_emu
Furrylugs.
Roubini is on to something here. His assertion on peripheral EU countries riding the slipstream of the euro for an easy ride in riches is spot on.
And when one takes a look at the lameness going on and the irish economy and its lurch into debt consumerism and get quick rich banking scamarama and its hold it now has on the powers at be and how they’ll all do anything to stop it going away one must really ponder whats going to happen here if common sense is not restored a.s.a.p.
Take Bulgaria. You can pump up Greece all you want but Bulgaria will still owe Athens squillions so what does the ECB do? Pump Peter to Pay Petrov? Or vice versa.
This money go round is gettiing ridiculous. Just as the US owns the UN by virtue of power, Germany will take effective control of Brussels soon because it’ll be the last country standing.
But I’m no economist either. I’m on here about 18 months now so it’s time to jack and award myself a 150000 yo yo job.
Currencies Pegged to the Euro
Outside the Eurozone, a total of 23 countries and territories which do not belong to the EU have currencies that are directly pegged to the euro including 14 countries in mainland Africa (they use the CFP franc[clarification needed], the CFA franc and the Moroccan dirham), two African island countries (Comorian franc and Cape Verdean escudo), three French Pacific territories and another Balkan country, Bosnia and Herzegovina (Bosnia and Herzegovina convertible mark). On 28 July 2009, São Tomé and Príncipe signed an agreement with Portugal which will eventually tie its currency to the euro.
With the exception of Bosnia and Herzegovina (which pegged their currency against the German mark) and Cape Verde (formerly pegged to the Portuguese escudo) all of these non-EU countries had a currency peg to the French Franc before pegging their currencies to the euro. Pegging a country’s currency to a major currency is regarded as a safety measure, especially for currencies of areas with weak economies, as the euro is seen as a stable currency, prevents runaway inflation and encourages foreign investment due to its stability.
Within the EU several currencies have a peg to the euro, in most instances as a precondition to joining the Eurozone. The Bulgarian Lev and the Estonian kroon were formerly pegged to the German mark, other EU memberstates have a direct peg due to ERM II: the Danish krone, the Lithuanian litas and the Latvian lats.
In total, over 150 million people in Africa use a currency pegged to the euro, 25 million people outside the Eurozone in Europe and another 500,000 people on Pacific islands.
Mother of God.
Well done Penny.
there was a real sense on vincent b’s show there that there is a serious serious dis connect between people in the loop, a dis connect with reality.
Its all become like an LSD trip and all sense of proportion and scale is all lost.
Even with wise commentators like lucy and mathews they seem lost in this NAMA land we’re all in. Spatial dis orientation is the pilots term for it, even browne himself is looking dizzy.
Whether we like it or not, the world we once lived in is no longer, when our taxes are been handed to private companies who drove property prices into space deliberately and wrecked the country and now our taxes are paying these guys to keep them in business.
And we all wake up in the morning acting like it s not really happening, cos what else is there.
One thing now is proven, we all live in some type of jailor system and some are jailors and some are prisoners.
Mercantilism Mk ii ??
I don’t get it. I understand the competitiveness angle, but if the guvmint announces that in 2 weeks time all euros in Ireland will be converted into “weak euros” after which the weak euro will be allowed to float freely against the storng euro, all savings will immediately flee the country to avoid devaluation. What am I missing.
Nothing. Our savings don’t matter and restrictions on currency movements would precede any announcement. So they’d have your pension, your mortgage(through NAMA), your salary (through levies) and your savings.
Isn’t that Communism by default?
ps200306, that would be the “short-sharp-shock”, instead of the Looooooooooong depression we are living in, then.
I hear what you’re saying guys, but it leaves me a but incredulous. The reason for my angst is that I, for one, never bought into our nouveau buy-now-pay-later society. It wasn’t because of any particular prescience about a recession, but because I was dragged up that way. As a result I have a few quid in the bank. Just saved, never invested in any “gilt-edged” bank stock or anything, with the one exception of putting it all on the line last year to raise a chunk of money for a charity for those less well off. Paid every cent of every tax I ever owed… which with last year’s tax hikes is quite a bit. So now the guvmint is gonna come along and devalue my savings by force? I’d nearly give it all to a foreign charity and go on the dole for spite. (Well, maybe not quite). Meanwhile Ireland Inc’s Property Investment Department, a.k.a. NAMA, would be doing its damnedest to jack property prices back into the upper echelons of unaffordabilty? I don’t go for swearing at ladies, but a few bars of Ben Folds Five’s “Give Me My Money Back You Bitch” towards the mother country would not go amiss.
Assets (house, cash, pensions) in the country would, at snap point, be converted to new punts. New punts would then dive compared to the Euro. But your new punt of salary could still buy a pint for four new punts. You only get stung if you have debts in foreign currencies e.g. a Spanish mortgage etc.
ps200306,
Our ‘devaluers’ want to steal your money. It’s that simple.
It’s not just Spanish mortgages that will be more expensive, but all foreign imports that need to be paid for in hard currency. You will be much poorer, as we don’t make a whole lot locally.
It’s a way of temporarily suspending true reform.
Devaluation a false anaesthetic that will ultimately only perpetuate the problem.
Paddy
Folks, Enda knew for one whole week, that George Lee was going to jump.
But Enda did not tell his “right-hand-man”, Richard Bruton, that George was thinking of resigning?
Is that so?
This is not an “active” opposition.
If only our millionaires had felt in 2002 what this millionaire felt, perhaps we might be in a better place: -
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/millionaire-gives-away-fortune-which-made-him-miserable-2054476.html
In fact, I doubt most of our bankers & developers & TDs ever saw the inside of a hut or a bedsit……….
Although he’s wrong about money not making you happy. A re-visitation of the 12 Apostles of the church of St Michael Collins to Kildare Street might give them a wake up call……
A new broom sweeps clean, but an old broom knows the corners. Ah what a spring-cleaning you could do in Dáil Eireann with a little euromillions magic dust and 12 good citizens………..
Lets Rejoice
George is FREE
If the Irish banks are nationalized, if there is a exodus of money, if the Irish government can’t borrow money, is it possible that the holes in the wall might empty and stay empty? I guess the ECB will step in?
The banks are cutting costs like crazy now. Is something happening?