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		<title>By: NAMA Is Criminal, Says Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel-Winning Economist - Bock The Robber</title>
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		<dc:creator>NAMA Is Criminal, Says Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel-Winning Economist - Bock The Robber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: &#8221; Get Up Stand Up &#8220; &#171; Ferdia2010&#8217;s Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8221; Get Up Stand Up &#8220; &#171; Ferdia2010&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jkforde</title>
		<link>http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2009/10/12/nama-is-highway-robbery/comment-page-1#comment-65348</link>
		<dc:creator>jkforde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about a new &#039;Comhar Party&#039; based on the economic principles of Feasta and Comhar with Richard Douthwaite as Finance Minister; let&#039;s stick it to Colm McCarthy and his neoliberalist cohort who are frustratingly and ignorantly out of touch and step.

BUT we as Irish patriotic individuals have to stand up and be counted in regard to resisting dishonest or unsustainable or corrupt practices in this country.

Our regard and national respect for the &#039;cute hoor&#039;, for the fella who skives off work, or just general intellectual laziness is sad and immature. Populism will not save us.

In essence it&#039;s time for us as a people to grow up and to start to value moral values and not just the &#039;cost&#039; of everything.

Sadly, this badly needed maturation won&#039;t be voluntary as we reap what we and previous generations have sown....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about a new &#8216;Comhar Party&#8217; based on the economic principles of Feasta and Comhar with Richard Douthwaite as Finance Minister; let&#8217;s stick it to Colm McCarthy and his neoliberalist cohort who are frustratingly and ignorantly out of touch and step.</p>
<p>BUT we as Irish patriotic individuals have to stand up and be counted in regard to resisting dishonest or unsustainable or corrupt practices in this country.</p>
<p>Our regard and national respect for the &#8216;cute hoor&#8217;, for the fella who skives off work, or just general intellectual laziness is sad and immature. Populism will not save us.</p>
<p>In essence it&#8217;s time for us as a people to grow up and to start to value moral values and not just the &#8216;cost&#8217; of everything.</p>
<p>Sadly, this badly needed maturation won&#8217;t be voluntary as we reap what we and previous generations have sown&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: jkforde</title>
		<link>http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2009/10/12/nama-is-highway-robbery/comment-page-1#comment-65228</link>
		<dc:creator>jkforde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are they smugly and confidently getting away with this? Why aren&#039;t we out on the streets revolting!?

Because the same drugs that got us into this are preventing us from seeing the scam and revolting against it, a truly amazing arms-free coup against a totally subdued mass... stupefied by oil and it&#039;s financial and media tentacles.


Television, drug of the nation, breeding ignorance and feeding radiation.

Inaction is a weapon of mass destruction.

WAAAKE UUUUUP, WAAAKE UUUUUP, WAAAKE UUUUUP, WAAAKE UUUUUP, WAKE UP!

Oh, some other recommended watching...
The Corporation (on DVD and YT)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are they smugly and confidently getting away with this? Why aren&#8217;t we out on the streets revolting!?</p>
<p>Because the same drugs that got us into this are preventing us from seeing the scam and revolting against it, a truly amazing arms-free coup against a totally subdued mass&#8230; stupefied by oil and it&#8217;s financial and media tentacles.</p>
<p>Television, drug of the nation, breeding ignorance and feeding radiation.</p>
<p>Inaction is a weapon of mass destruction.</p>
<p>WAAAKE UUUUUP, WAAAKE UUUUUP, WAAAKE UUUUUP, WAAAKE UUUUUP, WAKE UP!</p>
<p>Oh, some other recommended watching&#8230;<br />
The Corporation (on DVD and YT)</p>
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		<title>By: phealy</title>
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		<dc:creator>phealy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to agree. The spectacle of the audience guffawing along with Ahearn was truly depressing. Through a cocktail of largesse, jobbery and jaw dropping incompetence he and his cronies succeeded in destroying the only real wealth this country has ever created. Educated and articulate? Yes, we have some talented and high calibre people who could do this country a great service if ever they got access to public life. But listening to the Late Late audience, and knowing too that JO&#039;D will be returned at the next election with a landslide, convinces me that half the country are indeed still peasants and gombeens who are impressed by people like Bertie Ahearn, Beverly Flynn and Michael Lowry. Nuclear fallout would not shift these guys. I read Morgan Kelly’s superb comment on NAMA in the Irish Times. Now that was impressive ...and terrifying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to agree. The spectacle of the audience guffawing along with Ahearn was truly depressing. Through a cocktail of largesse, jobbery and jaw dropping incompetence he and his cronies succeeded in destroying the only real wealth this country has ever created. Educated and articulate? Yes, we have some talented and high calibre people who could do this country a great service if ever they got access to public life. But listening to the Late Late audience, and knowing too that JO&#8217;D will be returned at the next election with a landslide, convinces me that half the country are indeed still peasants and gombeens who are impressed by people like Bertie Ahearn, Beverly Flynn and Michael Lowry. Nuclear fallout would not shift these guys. I read Morgan Kelly’s superb comment on NAMA in the Irish Times. Now that was impressive &#8230;and terrifying.</p>
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		<title>By: roc</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Problems ahead?&quot;

Of course. The phenomena of boom and bust is nothing new. Mountains have been written on it. Many economists have devoted their lives to their analysis. But here&#039;s a good article written 107 years that well describes what we are dealing with, with regard our private sector debt http://optionarmageddon.ml-implode.com/?p=2320</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Problems ahead?&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course. The phenomena of boom and bust is nothing new. Mountains have been written on it. Many economists have devoted their lives to their analysis. But here&#8217;s a good article written 107 years that well describes what we are dealing with, with regard our private sector debt <a href="http://optionarmageddon.ml-implode.com/?p=2320" rel="nofollow">http://optionarmageddon.ml-implode.com/?p=2320</a></p>
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		<title>By: bquinn</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am with the professor on this on here is my probably simplistic thinking on  NAMA  - If a house was worth 500,000 at the peak of the boom and is now worth 300 how much has it fallen in price by = 40%  If it grows in value by 40% what will it be worth = 420,000, to get back to its original worth it has to grow by 66%. So why do the Government think that property prices are actually going to grow stronger than they did in the boom time – answer – they won’t!  Although Far Eastern equity markets have done this, and I think a lot of the growth has come from speculation and cash investment.  
Is the Irish property market going to enjoy the same level of investor confidence as say Far Eastern stock markets to fuel this kind of growth again. There is only one answer to this question.  If the Government had borrowed 54 billion and invested it in China I would be happier!

Here is another issue we are told our banks are going  to be more responsible and lend  more cautiously So here is a simple scenario boom time breakfast roll man earned 50K, he borrowed 300 (yes six times his salary) to buy a modest 3 bedroom semi in Navan, 50k of this loan went on stamp duty, solicitors fees and furniture (ie down the plughole), his house is now worth 150k and his mate on the building site now wants to buy next door at this bargain basement price, but he is only earning 30k now (in fact they both are as they are on short time and being laid off one week and working alternate weeks).  The bank being prudent will now only lend this guy 1 and half times his salary like in the good old days, so he simply cannot afford the house even at this “bargain basement” price.  

The guy two doors down works in the public sector but on 50k a year and with public sector pay freezes and potential cuts and more pension levies he can now only borrow 75K although the bank may lend him twice his salary as his job is much more secure than Breakfast roll man, so tops he can now borrow 100k.  Still not enough to buy even at the new prices.

So, in a world of wages going down or at best being frozen, stupid irresponsible loans no longer on the agenda, and a deflationary economy where oh where are these imaginary property price increases coming from?  Search me?  I just don&#039;t gettit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am with the professor on this on here is my probably simplistic thinking on  NAMA  &#8211; If a house was worth 500,000 at the peak of the boom and is now worth 300 how much has it fallen in price by = 40%  If it grows in value by 40% what will it be worth = 420,000, to get back to its original worth it has to grow by 66%. So why do the Government think that property prices are actually going to grow stronger than they did in the boom time – answer – they won’t!  Although Far Eastern equity markets have done this, and I think a lot of the growth has come from speculation and cash investment.<br />
Is the Irish property market going to enjoy the same level of investor confidence as say Far Eastern stock markets to fuel this kind of growth again. There is only one answer to this question.  If the Government had borrowed 54 billion and invested it in China I would be happier!</p>
<p>Here is another issue we are told our banks are going  to be more responsible and lend  more cautiously So here is a simple scenario boom time breakfast roll man earned 50K, he borrowed 300 (yes six times his salary) to buy a modest 3 bedroom semi in Navan, 50k of this loan went on stamp duty, solicitors fees and furniture (ie down the plughole), his house is now worth 150k and his mate on the building site now wants to buy next door at this bargain basement price, but he is only earning 30k now (in fact they both are as they are on short time and being laid off one week and working alternate weeks).  The bank being prudent will now only lend this guy 1 and half times his salary like in the good old days, so he simply cannot afford the house even at this “bargain basement” price.  </p>
<p>The guy two doors down works in the public sector but on 50k a year and with public sector pay freezes and potential cuts and more pension levies he can now only borrow 75K although the bank may lend him twice his salary as his job is much more secure than Breakfast roll man, so tops he can now borrow 100k.  Still not enough to buy even at the new prices.</p>
<p>So, in a world of wages going down or at best being frozen, stupid irresponsible loans no longer on the agenda, and a deflationary economy where oh where are these imaginary property price increases coming from?  Search me?  I just don&#8217;t gettit.</p>
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		<title>By: cbweb</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I agree with &#039;Irish Pancake&#039; above,
I&#039;ve a minor concerned citizen blog at http://www.colmbrazel.wordpress.com and point out: &#039;You think spending is out of control now, wait till NAMA gets going and the real blood letting of the Irish tax payer begins.

Hank Poulson, US Treasury Secretary, 2006 – 2009, on 14th October, 2008 announced that the US to restore confidence in their financial system, would ‘purchase equity stakes in a wide variety of banks and thrifts’ using diverted money previously earmarked for the purchase of toxic assets.

 This followed the example alongside the bank guarantee scheme set by Gordon Browne,UK Prime Minister and Alistair Darling, Chancellor, in their response to the financial crisis.

These models have averted financial melt down and we should follow them even if it means in certain cases equity stakes that will lead to nationalisation of some banks. 

For both UK and US tax payers there is some hope at the end of the tunnel their investment will be rewarded. 

This is a successful model that has restored confidence that has avoided meltdown. It will also allow these governments to proactively regulate the banking system to avoid the mistakes of the past.

 Both the US and the UK have corrected the mistakes embodied in the previous TARP approach, NAMA sets out to repeat them! .&quot;

Americans and UK ditched TARP in favour of a better UK model of equity in return for investment . 

Its a minor consolation to know Lenihan&#039;s career will be levied with NAMA (Not Another Mess Again) failure!

NAMA turns Ireland INC into a Banana Republic transferring taxpayers&#039; funds, the new poor, into the coffers of the rich, bankers, developers. This is criminal!

Maybe Lenihan and Cowan should call Poulson to get a new briefing. Poulson:
&quot;Brian C and Brian L, forgot to tell you guys, we actually don&#039;t follow a NAMA TARP model anymore, NAMA TARP will sink you! Goodbye&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I agree with &#8216;Irish Pancake&#8217; above,<br />
I&#8217;ve a minor concerned citizen blog at <a href="http://www.colmbrazel.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.colmbrazel.wordpress.com</a> and point out: &#8216;You think spending is out of control now, wait till NAMA gets going and the real blood letting of the Irish tax payer begins.</p>
<p>Hank Poulson, US Treasury Secretary, 2006 – 2009, on 14th October, 2008 announced that the US to restore confidence in their financial system, would ‘purchase equity stakes in a wide variety of banks and thrifts’ using diverted money previously earmarked for the purchase of toxic assets.</p>
<p> This followed the example alongside the bank guarantee scheme set by Gordon Browne,UK Prime Minister and Alistair Darling, Chancellor, in their response to the financial crisis.</p>
<p>These models have averted financial melt down and we should follow them even if it means in certain cases equity stakes that will lead to nationalisation of some banks. </p>
<p>For both UK and US tax payers there is some hope at the end of the tunnel their investment will be rewarded. </p>
<p>This is a successful model that has restored confidence that has avoided meltdown. It will also allow these governments to proactively regulate the banking system to avoid the mistakes of the past.</p>
<p> Both the US and the UK have corrected the mistakes embodied in the previous TARP approach, NAMA sets out to repeat them! .&#8221;</p>
<p>Americans and UK ditched TARP in favour of a better UK model of equity in return for investment . </p>
<p>Its a minor consolation to know Lenihan&#8217;s career will be levied with NAMA (Not Another Mess Again) failure!</p>
<p>NAMA turns Ireland INC into a Banana Republic transferring taxpayers&#8217; funds, the new poor, into the coffers of the rich, bankers, developers. This is criminal!</p>
<p>Maybe Lenihan and Cowan should call Poulson to get a new briefing. Poulson:<br />
&#8220;Brian C and Brian L, forgot to tell you guys, we actually don&#8217;t follow a NAMA TARP model anymore, NAMA TARP will sink you! Goodbye&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: paddythepig</title>
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		<dc:creator>paddythepig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks roc for posting that, appreciate it. I&#039;d still like to see gquinn&#039;s breakdown of how aib and boi will both need 500 billion euro. 

How much of the 1.67 trillion will be subject to default? 

Though reading this, it&#039;s obvious that the private sector is highly leveraged on debt, at multiples of it&#039;s income. Problems ahead?

Paddy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks roc for posting that, appreciate it. I&#8217;d still like to see gquinn&#8217;s breakdown of how aib and boi will both need 500 billion euro. </p>
<p>How much of the 1.67 trillion will be subject to default? </p>
<p>Though reading this, it&#8217;s obvious that the private sector is highly leveraged on debt, at multiples of it&#8217;s income. Problems ahead?</p>
<p>Paddy</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....same happened to me in another thread, I posted something and it never appeared. This is porbably down to the wordpress installation/service provided for the blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.same happened to me in another thread, I posted something and it never appeared. This is porbably down to the wordpress installation/service provided for the blog.</p>
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