Dissenters may call it right again

September 6, 2009


At the height of the boom, I got used to being accused of ‘‘talking down the economy’’. In fact, this was almost a weekly occurrence as the old vested interests tried desperately to squeeze their last greasy fiver out of the population. Back then, questioning the credit binge was dismissed as ‘‘unpatriotic’’.

Interestingly, it was not just the vested interests who bayed like sheep, but also the mainstream economics profession, the vast majority of whom said absolutely nothing about the likelihood of a crash in the property markets and the probable insolvency of our banks. Maybe they were infatuated by the intellectual game called ‘efficient markets hypothesis’. Whatever their excuse now, it is a pretty unflattering episode for the profession and clearly undermines the credibility of many who are now suggesting policy changes. Outside the economics profession and the banking industry, there was a way of dealing with dissenters; it was based on painting us as incendiary, volatile and in some way beyond the pale.

Exactly this weekend last year, I remember being on a Saturday View panel with Brian Lenihan and Richard Bruton. When I suggested that we’d have a bank crisis by Christmas, the minister slapped down such a suggestion with the retort that even suggesting such a thing was dangerous talk. Bruton agreed with the minister on that occasion, and even he reiterated that the banks were sound. In subsequent public discussions with members of the political establishment, ‘‘loose talk’’ replaced ‘‘dangerous talk’’.

All the while, the editorial line was the same. There is a pattern in the establishment’s approach to contrary ideas. It depends on the put-down rather than on persuasive analysis. Anyone who deviates from the party line is ‘‘dangerous’’ and by extension is endangering the interest of the average citizen with their questioning and their scepticism. We are seeing a similar approach with Nama.The minister is suggesting that any alternative to Nama is ‘‘dangerous’’. So we are back to the position whereby the people who got us into this mess and described those who warned of impending catastrophe as being dangerous are again, despite their own lamentable record, dismissing critics of the Nama adventure as treacherous.

As for Nama, I understand and have sympathy for what the minister is trying to do. He is trying to keep the banks afloat because he believes that they are essential and that nationalising them would be a bad thing to do. He also believes that a bank failure would be tantamount to a sovereign default because the guarantee is in place. Additionally, someone has persuaded him that the global bond trading community would never touch Ireland again if one of our banks failed. So he has concluded that it’s best for all of us to buy land that we don’t want via new government debt that will be honoured only by the European Central Bank. This doesn’t mean it’s not debt – it just means that the only institution willing to take a risk on the ‘hope value’ that Irish property prices will rise again is the politically-driven ECB.

By replacing the bad debts of the banks with the good money of the average citizen, he saves the banks with our cash in the short term.

In the medium term, he believes that the price of property will rebound in Ireland. This might minimise the taxpayers’ exposure to something the taxpayers didn’t want in the first place. If it doesn’t, he will slip the shortfall on to the now growing national debt, and no one will be any the wiser because events will have overtaken Nama, and the National Treasury Management Agency (NTMA) – the institution which will really gain from this – will issue more bonds in your name to be paid for by your children, from its now bigger empire down on Grand Canal Street.

We will then have an average European government debt to GDP ratio, but without all the roads, railways and schools. Instead ,we will have fields in Mullingar. That’s a great deal, isn’t it? But from an optics basis, the minister might ask, what’s the problem? The crisis is over, the banks have been saved and the country doesn’t have the shame of a bank default on its hands. But we don’t have much else.

This is the plan. The only flaw in it is that it doesn’t address the big question, in fact the only question, which is whether Nama will accelerate a national recovery. With high and persistent levels of unemployment, and high and persistent levels of taxation needed to pay for Nama, can the country thrive?

It will only thrive if investors decide that it is a good place to put their money. Investors are not vengeful individuals who want to make countries pay for their mistakes. That is not how traders operate. The trader wants an ‘event’ to clear the air, so that he can invest again. Financial markets have short memories.

The entire story of banking crises around the globe is that the objective is to minimise the cost of the banking collapse. If the cost is too high, then let the banks go as the Swedes did. Once a deal is done with creditors, off we go again. That’s how the market works.

The last thing the trader wants is a country wracked by political instability, where taxes are rising and growth is falling. The trade has no interest in a country that is suffering unnecessarily to keep banks afloat. Why do you think we are paying a huge premium over Germany for our borrowing? It is because investors need protection because they don’t believe in Nama.

They have taken the view that no democratic government can lumber the people with taxes to pay for the sins of a few. That’s not how the world works. So they are looking at the pressure cooker, waiting for it to blow. Once it blows, the pressure eases and we are back to business. Remember: the world is full of money.

The German, Chinese, Gulf States and Japanese current-account surpluses have to be spent somewhere. But to get this cash, we have to offer an attractive option, a new option that sends a signal that everything has changed. Nama merely tells the world that the ‘lads’ are still in charge and nothing has changed. There is a better option than Nama, which will impress international bond investors much more. This is what rational businessmen would do. We’d tell the creditors of the bank that we don’t want to extend the guarantee. It will lapse, as was envisaged, on October 1, 2010.

At the moment, with the guarantee in place, the creditors know that they will get 100 per cent of their money back. On October 1, 2010, they know that they will get close to zero because the banks they took a punt on are bust. So the clock is ticking, what do they want to do? Where do they want to deal? At what price are they prepared to trade? Is it 30 cent in the euro? 50 cent?

This will focus their minds because, at the moment, it’s a one-way bet, with you and me acting as underwriters. This approach allows us, the Irish people, to get out of the way and let the creditors deal with the banks, with the government acting as broker rather than principal.

So we do a deal with the creditors and maybe give them equity in a new Irish bank in a debt-equity swap, which we will help set up. The state issues a deposit guarantee, paid for with a guarantee insurance product. We then have an orderly examinership of the bank, selling – let’s say – the branch network of AIB or other assets to the new bank, and off we go.

Problem solved. No need for Nama, and land prices stay low, allowing us to ‘lock in’ the fantastic competitive opportunity that a fall in land prices gives us. Then a New Ireland would truly be open for real business again and we could begin to talk up the economy with confidence.




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  1. Colin_in_exile says:

    So, what kind of turnout do you think we’ll have on Saturday?

    Will it surpass those who turned out a few years ago protesting at plans for the removal of a despotic dictator who murdered thousands of his own people? If it doesn’t, what does it say about us as a people?

    How accurate a figure will the media report that turned up?

    Will SF/IRA & Socialist Party try to claim ownership of it?

    What does Finian McGrath think of all this? Will he be there? I suspect his vote will be crucial? Will he follow in the footsteps of Tony Gregory and cut some deal for his constituency at the expense of the greater national interest?

    It’s going to be an interesting few days.

  2. Tim says:

    Folks, I think we should use this opportunity on Saturday to March against NAMA and meet in person. There is a certain synergy that has developed here among us, albeit approaching from myriad perspectives and backgrounds.

    Let us see what deeper synergy might develop when we face eachother.

    I will stand as close to the entrance to the Garden of Remembrance as possible before the march begins; when it reaches Molesworth Street (in front of the Dail) I will stand as close as possible to the entrance of Buswell’s Hotel; afterwards, I will go to the Shelbourne Hotel lobby and bar (unless any of you has a better alternative).

    I will wear a green raincoat if it is raining and drape it over my left arm if it is not. I will wear a dark suit with white shirt and striped pink tie; I will be smoking most of the time. Ihave brown hair and wear glasses (blue prescription shades, in the unlikely event of sunshine).

    Who will try to come?

  3. MaxKeiser says:

    Dear Deco,

    You wrote about “power of the system in this country” and getting a name for it ~ I have one & it is “Vested Interest”.

    Or if you prefer it’s:

    Doctors, Dentist, all Professional services, Supermarkets, Gas, ESB, Media, & yes the Unions too.

    Actually the list is endless & what’s worst it is endemic.

    Basically all business here is a cartel.
    Our cost base here is 10-15% higher than Northern Ireland (where wages are lower but) everything is half the price vs. the “Republic”.

    What we have here is the very worst elements of Capitalism – as seen in our US style Medical System & an indifferent ruling class but with out any of the benefits of capitalism i.e. consumer choice, low cost, competition & (good) service.

    Plus we have the worst elements of a Social model: a widely abused Social Welfare system, a rapidly rising tax rate (the fastest in Europe with the top rate going from 40+% to now 50+%) & Third rate infrastructure, social services, disability & mobility support not to mention health care.

  4. jim says:

    Just spoke to Cowen tonight in His bunker in Tullamore,he seems to think the Germans are behind all this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCRIkap0L0k trouble.

  5. Tim says:

    Folks, so far, (I think) no-one has commented on Richard Bruton’s and, now, George Lee’s assertion that Alan Dukes’ responsibility is to ANIB and not to us, the taxpayer.

    I thought we were told that he was appointed to the Board of Directors of ANIB as our “watchdog”.

    I have “issues” with this.

    Can anyone elucidate, please?

  6. jim says:

    Tim I could but maybe this time I’ll leave it to the “Mail on Sunday” not the paper of note as some night say.The following piece gives a flavour of what NAMA will become,as if anyone thought any different.God help us……STATE-OWNED Anglo Irish Bank has continued to bankroll members of the
    infamous Anglo ‘Golden Circle’ since it was nationalised.Incredibly, in one case it gave a loan to a Golden Circle group at the
    same time as it was writing off e300m it had previously loaned them.On May 29, the bank said e308m of the e451m would probably not be paid
    back. Yet on the same day, Joe O’Reilly, one of the circle, and his
    firm, Castlethorn Construction, got a loan for a unit in The Waxworks,
    Ashtown Square, Dublin.

    In fact, Mr O’Reilly has taken six new loans since nationalisation -
    three signed off in May.

    On January 27, just after the Anglo bailout, the bank gave him
    multiple mortgages for a e1.25bn plan for a 5.3acre site in Upper
    O’Connell Street. The ‘Park in the Sky’ plan by his Chartered Land
    firm has now stalled due to planning difficulties.

    On January 16, Mr O’Reilly got two mortgages, one for an Upper
    O’Connell Street premises, another for the ground below the footpath
    at 40, 41 and 42 O’Connell Street. He got loans for properties in
    Sandyford and Castleknock.

    Malahide auctioneer Brian O’Farrell got a loan from Anglo in March for
    his Golden Circle firm, N1 Property. Weeks later, its e1.2bn overhaul
    of Dublin’s Northside Shopping Centre got the nod.ONLY in the crazy world that is Namaland could Anglo Irish Bank be
    lending more money to the very people who just last year engaged in an
    outrageous attempt to prop up the bank’s share price using money
    borrowed from… Anglo Irish Bank. What is even more extraordinary is
    that the extra money is being loaned just as past loans are being
    written off as unrecoverable! On one level, this could be written off
    as a hilarious banking story penned, perhaps, by Lewis Carroll (or
    Liam Carroll, who is insolvent but also being offered yet more cash by
    Anglo). But this is not joke. What these revelations expose again is
    the immorality of the Nama plans, in that the people who lost all our
    money get even more to play with.That, rather than any great preference for other schemes, is why the
    public is so opposed to Nama: they do not accept that reckless
    behaviour should be rewarded in this way. They think misdeeds should
    be punished, not rewarded. As Abraham Lincoln said: ‘What is morally
    wrong can never be politically right.’

    • Jim,
      Your comment is astonishing. Astonishing in its detail and apparent authority. How did you ever get such valuable information?

      I guess you report a small fragment of a larger collection of information about what’s going on. Citizens would be shocked if they knew.

      You suggest the Anglo Irish Bank is like something out of a John Grisham novel or perhaps Ludlum ?

    • wills says:

      You think this is bad Paul, how about…
      Seizing the property market price discovery mechanism in totality for all time,, the power this put’s in a small cliques hands over the economy is complete. THis IS What NAMA iS.

  7. Robert says:

    Jim,

    And Brian Lenihan being the only shareholder in ANIB (on “behalf” of the taxpayer) does nothing about it. This should be sent to opposition politicians for it to be raised in the Dail during the NAMA debate (whenever the Dail finally opens again) as the Irish media aren’t going to do it!

    How many of these developers have actually paid back a loan in its entirety ? The answer might be somewhere near 0 %.

    A further question on NAMA:

    Who is going to pay the 2 billion a year in the extra costs of borrowing to fund NAMA?

    It won’t be the lads from the FF Galway tent – that’s for sure!

    • Tim says:

      Robert, you are correct, here.

      Can I ask you what you have to say about Richard Bruton and George Lee claiming that Alan Dukes’ responsibility is to ANIB and not to the taxpayer?

      I would really appreciate your answer, as you are one of the most astute “anti-FF” here.

      • Robert says:

        Tim,

        ANIB do not give a fcuk that they are owned by the taxpayer. The banks, and in particular ANIB, have been running rings around Lenihan – basically telling him what to do. Quite simply, as Jim’s article shows above, it’s “business” as usual for ANIB.

        So when Bruton and Lee talk of Dukes’ responsibility to ANIB (as opposed to the taxpayer) they are merely reflecting this reality.

        Let’s put it simply – Alan Dukes is on the board of ANIB. What’s good for ANIB is good for Dukes. The NAMA bail-out is good for ANIB so . . . . . I think we all get the message!

    • jim says:

      Robert , Linehan has suggested that performing loans will help pay this bill,but as you have probably guessed by now ,if the performing loans were so good then their would be no need for NAMA,also the Banks would be showing these loans as generating earned income in their annual accounts,sorry connot find them.Red herrring??.As a sidenote Linehan also suggested that borrowed money would be at a rate of 1.5% which might be true initially,but that rate would probably reset after 6 months along with Euribor.ouch on that one.Anyhooo you get My drift…

  8. Tim says:

    jim, Wow!

    I’m sure all readers and contributors here appreciate the value of your post. Clearly, you have access to more information than most of us, and I thank you for it. Should it be the case that your position prevents you from identifying yourself in person on Saturday, so be it. You are, evidently, more useful to us as you are.

    However, I believe that you could be a very valuable contributor at the meeting that I hope will occur.

  9. liam says:

    Folks, Tim has above suggested a weee get-together on Sep 12th after exercising at the theft of our democracy. I can’t make it unfortunately, I’d love to catch some face time with you all, but I’d strongly suggest you take Tim up on his suggestion. So many people show up here regularly and make their feelings and opinions known, and generally in the spirit of collegiality, why not do it in person? I think even just to meet some of you guys and for you to meet each other would be great!

    It seems like too big an opportunity to pass up. I’d certainly come along if I was even on the same continent that day…

  10. jim says:

    AAHHH come onn guys ye have to love that youtube link of mine to go with that one of TIM’s above,tell Me that line about IKEA staying neutral was’nt a killer.I laughed my ass off when I downloaded it first.LOL.

  11. Tim says:

    Folks, I know that this “internet-based” meeting thing may have some negative connotations for you; I also know that some of you may be in positions that preclude you from meeting in person.

    If it helps, I will declare this: anyone who turns up has the right to identify themselves as the “Nom-de-plume” they use here, on this site. No real names need be divulged.

    Getting the job done is the focus, not identifying people.

  12. Tim says:

    I am Tim Nelligan

    I live at 122 Rose Hill, Wicklow Town, Co. Wicklow.

    My email is : tnteacher@oceanfree.net

    My twitter is: tnteacherTim

    My phone number is 0404-69316

    My mobile is 083-3325835 (but, please don’t ring it before 3:30pm, as I may be in class.)

    I have nothing to hide and nothing to lose.

    That’s all I have to say about Saturday.

    • Tim says:

      Folks, “Yes”, yes, I did that: I gave all of my personal details to everyone on this DMcW site. You are here for a reason.

      A reason that I trust.

      “Step-up to the plate” on Saturday?

    • Malcolm McClure says:

      Tim: Max brownie points for openness but ‘catch yerself on, man’. You have a lot to lose: your job, house, family, mobile phone, pink tie and blue shades for starters. (Who in their right mind goes on a demo wearing a tie—unless its a clip-on.)
      This NAMA thing is a moving target. Already there are indications that Lenihan is opening to take account of criticisms expressed here.
      There is talk of two tranches of Nama. One taken at real market value and another that will be taken at shareholders risk for future value gains and not paid out until gains realized. Seems fair enough to me. Not worth a demo until worse proposals have been laid out in detail. We don’t want demos to go off half-cock.

      • Tim says:

        Hi Malcolm, if discussion/agitation here and elsewhere has, indeed, given BL pause, surely it is beneficial to us for him to see a large turn-out at the march.

        I have attented protest marches as often as possible and always wear a suit and tie (it is my working “uniform” and I march as a “worker”). I only described it here so that people might be able to recognise one of us, if they chose to have a meeting in person.

        Other than that, I find commentary on my proposed attire superfluous.

  13. paddythepig says:

    Tim, I’m taking part in the hug-a-thon in Molesworth Street at 2.00pm on Saturday. We hope to get in the Guinness book of records.

    I’ll see you in the Shelbourne so. I’ll be wearing my bermuda shorts and a flowery shirt.

    Paddy.

    I

  14. The Eye says:

    In my opinion the amount of anger out there on my Riot o meter we are about at 8 out of 10.

  15. The Eye says:

    Anyone help me im making my banner for the march, how about
    FF OFF NO TO NAMA

  16. MK1 says:

    Deco> Everytime i listen to Lenihan talking it is always the same thing…”we must get the credit market flowing again”…

    Each time I hear that, my reading between the lines is as follows: The banks such as AIB, BOI, etc are seen as culturally part of the backbone of Ireland, at least within the powers-that-be circles. The banks are on every main street, they are a symbol of our success and to some degree a symbol of our young nation. The failing of BOI and AIB would to many politicians and indeed many “ordinary” people be seen as a failure of Ireland.

    This zealous-ism (sp?) is akin to de Valera’s notions that comely maidens on the cross roads and self-reliance was an answer to Irelands new independence. It is a wrong vision.

    I want the likes of David McW, and other economic comentators to call a spade a spade. That the banks of AIB and BOI have become de facto market dominators to the detriment (yes, DETRIMENT) of Irish economy and businesses. They are in fact leaching from the rest of us even when the so-called credit is flowing. They extract more than their pound of flesh. Brian Lenihan should re-read the Market of Venice.

    Their leaching is evidential in the level of profits they sustain, operational profits that is. And it has been like that for many decades now. Long before this credit bubble blew up in their and our faces.

    LANCE THE BOIL should be the mantra – we should now be taking the opportunity with gusto when “our” (they are not Irelands) banks are ill and failing – we can now rectify the parasitic sitiuation that we have allowed to evolve. Any Minister who is interested in the Irish economy would be jumping with both feet to reform our banking landscape. Granted the competitive situation of banks across Europe is not that efficient as Europe (plus other regions) have protected their banking systems, due to its perceived importance, yet without understanding it fully. The EC has not dealt with it properly.

    Can Ireland do it ?

    Yes, Brian (L), we do need credit supply, but from agood efficient supplier. Not an ill fat one that has been leaching off us and only intends to leach off us further as you give it more life-support.

    David, over to you …..

    MK1

  17. tirnanog33 says:

    i would like to know if NAMA will buy an equity stake in the hundreds of thousands of overpriced,negative equity, houses where unemployed people (some of whom I know) are now living in fear, and unable to keep up their repayments, let alone pay new stealth taxes?
    I am not talking about the small investor who bought a half a dozen apartments speculatively.
    He is dead in yhe water-unless of course the banks refuse to repossess and sell these in case the market would end up depressed for the next two or three decades.
    it is likely that a long term poker game will take place in which thousands of properties are witheld from the market by NAMA and the banks-just as the developers maintained a cartel stranglehold on land banks and building, until the boom times came and left them scurrying to keep up with catering for the frenzy of speculation.
    Taking an equity share on every distressed single asset owner home on the same terms as NAMA would give them the same long term respite as the developers are getting, and when the developers are finally reinstated and start anew-let Lenehan promise that the suffering,bled dry citizens will be offered the same revival terms-whatever they may be !
    Some chance.
    Whats good for the fat crony developer goose is not the same as the miserable home owner gander.
    we now face decades of market manipulation of properties taken into the tender care of the state.Interesting times ahead.
    i know of one recently married couple who both got so called “affordable homes” in recent years.They are now living together but they cannot legally rent out the spare apartment under the conditions of purchase.They have now gone “under the radar” and are accepting a low rent on the basis that the tenant is not claiming rent allowance and exposing the owner to the wrath of the local authority.
    Is this kind of thing is likely to continue and depress rents further?
    when Fianna Fail interfered with the free market as prices collapsed and local authorities desperately propped them up buying lots of “affordable homes” from failing developers; they opened up quite a pandoras box.
    These owners can never sell their apartments for 20 years without losing a fortune.
    They will continue to expand in a “black market” of property lettings to the frustration of legitimate and law abiding landlords and probably the Revenue Commissioners too.!

  18. tirnanog33 says:

    Oh here is a slogan for the banners on Saturday:
    ‘Fianna Fail-out of the Dail”

  19. coldblow says:

    The big problem with the whole public discussion of Nama is that very few people have enough mastery of the technicalities and the jargon (bond issuance, coupons, ECB, etc) so as to be able to argue convincingly about it. Even the ’46′ don’t all seem to have a full understanding of the intricacies by their own admission (unless I picked this up wrong).

    So, as I say, there are very few who are comfortable with all of this and the really really unfortunate thing is that most of them are bankers.

    • wills says:

      one does not have too understand the chemical equation of a giant turd to know when someone points it out in the middle of the footpath to walk around it.

  20. tirnanog33 says:

    One Quango that is running out of cash is the “taxi regulator”.
    Heard from an associate today that the lucrative sale of taxi plates has dried up due to market saturation.
    The “Regulator” is now proposing to make the plates non transferable so that some gilly buying one for 6000Euros from the state can not sell it on the open market for say 3000Euros when he decides its not worth his while anymore.All new applicants will have to buy from a monopoly board.
    They have also increased his PSV drivers licence renewal fee from 5 Euros to 250 Euros!
    Their “regulators” (a touch of the Elliot Ness about the titles) are also out every night imposing 250 Euro fines on the misfortunates who are caught queuing up outside pubs etc or on the public highway waiting for a space on one of the scarce and overcrowed taxi ranks.
    I can understand how little trouble Adolf Hitler had staying in power -dissension meant a concentration camp and possibly death-but the stuff that ordinary workers take in Ireland from this government is unbelievable! And there are 27000 of these drivers in the country!!
    GUBU it is..

  21. noonep says:

    A ‘star posting’ system could enhance the comment log, where by stars could be allocated by other users in relation to the quality of the post??

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