When opportunity knocks

October 26, 2008


The current market instability could create lucrative chances for those willing to take a risk.

Because of the panic that has gripped the markets, the next few months will probably be the most profitable opportunity to make money in this generation. But you’d hardly think so by listening to the mainstream commentary in Ireland.

Sometimes it’s difficult not to laugh at the type of advice that is being thrown around Dublin by so-called financial experts. For example, the same lads who were telling you last year that Irish property was ‘‘fundamentally’’ sound and would experience, at worst, a ‘‘soft landing’’ are now telling you that the world is ending.

Last year, these heads were telling you that AIB shares were a buy at €20.Today they are suggesting that AIB at €3.7 is a sell. God knows who pays these lads, or why. Nobody is suggesting that the background noise has not changed dramatically. Nor is anyone underestimating the risk involved in trying to stop the bottom of any market, but if we stand back a wee bit, we might gain that most valuable of insights – perspective.

The key thing to appreciate, is that all financial crises are temporary. They tend to blow over. People with debts and companies going into the crisis get hammered and those with cash prosper. The rout in asset prices becomes self-correcting.

Either markets exhaust themselves in a selling frenzy or they get pushed back by the heavy artillery of government intervention. Either way, the system rights itself at a different price and we start again.

We are now seeing huge falls, mainly because hedge funds are selling everything to meet their financial obligations. Their clients are demanding cash and, as a result, the funds have to sell everything they have.

At times like this, the selling becomes indiscriminate, which is why certain blue-chip companies – ones that will almost certainly survive the recession – are offering double-digit yields. Given that global interest rates are headed downwards rapidly, such companies must be a screaming buy.

But like everything in investing, you have to be diligent and, most of all, patient in your research. A crucial dynamic in all these episodes is that markets overshoot. In good times, as we’ve seen to our regret in the Irish property market, markets overshoot on the upside, bringing prices up to ludicrous levels.

In bad times, like now, the same process occurs and asset prices overshoot on the downside, bringing prices down to levels where the assets are at bargain basement prices. We are seeing this now in stock markets.

Unfortunately, this is not happening in the Irish housing market which, on any rational basis, is still wildly overvalued. Last year, this column ran a simple financial model for where fair value might be in the Irish housing market. This is back-of-the-envelope stuff, but bear with me. The price of any asset must be related to the amount of money the asset generates each year.

In the US, analysts claim that, in the long run, house prices should be equal to between 12 and 14 times earnings. This means that if a house is generating a rent of $10,000 a year, it must be worth between $120,000 and $140,000 a year.

Apply this test to Ireland. A quick search of Daft.ie will reveal, for example, that a three-bedroom house in Co Wicklow – advertised as an investment property – is on sale for €289,000.

The same website tells us that the average rent for a three-bed in Arklow is €850. So let us say that, in the best possible case, this place is rented for 11 profitable months a year – the final month’s rent goes on various costs. The implication from the American model is that the house is worth about €122,000.

The implication from this, compared to the advertised price of €289,000, is that the house is still wildly overvalued. The Irish calculation means that the house is trading at 31 times its annual yield. This clearly needs to fall dramatically by close to 60 per cent for it to make any financial sense to buy.

So one of the factors impinging on Ireland’s recovery is that we have to see house prices fall dramatically for any investor in their right mind to get back into the market. As long as estate agents, banks and builders are in denial about where prices need to go, we will not have a platform for any recovery.

So property investment is out, but let’s go back to the stock markets. The question is whether we are near the bottom? In Ireland, the bottom might take a few more months to materialise because we are caught in a bad debt brace.

Going into the crisis we were the most indebted population in the world. More worrying, practically all of that personal debt had been taken on since 2000, so not only were we indebted but we were newly indebted. Finally, practically all of that debt was property-related.

At this stage – for heavily indebted players – it hardly matters now what happens to interest rates. Sure, a few decreases will help, but the employment situation is of much more consequence for mortgage holders. Unfortunately, unemployment in this country is likely to rise substantially in the coming months and years because so much of our recent job increases were generated by the domestic service sector and the construction sector.

Rising unemployment will prompt industrial-scale mortgage defaults in Ireland and the defaulting process will follow the same pattern we have seen in the US. We are likely to experience what could be described as ‘‘shunting defaults’’, as people’s defaults shunt on from one loan to another. This means that we will also witness large-scale credit card default, many thousands of car loans will never be paid and home loans will similarly be reneged on.

This will lead to house prices tumbling in a delayed reaction. However, this is probably the point at which the Irish stock market will begin to rally.

For the brave, for those who understand the dynamic of markets, this week’s panic should be the signal to begin the process of thinking about investing again. The lessons from history are that turbulent times pass and also present the buying opportunity of a generation.




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  1. b says:

    Its the people that never left that are the problem. Not the emigrants.

  2. b says:

    I think that the dynamic risk takers have fled over generations. The people that stayed were of conservative stock and squeezed out the movers and shakers to the colonies. Many many emigrats made it big abroad after shaking themselves free from the shackles of Irish conservatism.

    To get on you kept your head down and got a safe job. If you made a stir you emigrated. After generations of this the dynamic people were bred out or exported.

    My own family was forced out a few times but we returned. I have no idea why we came back.

  3. Jay says:

    Certainly it is always a harder road to do something different to what is defined to everyone from school and through their working life. Play it safe and keep the head down and you will be all right. However, this is no different than what parents, teachers, employers say in many other countries. England, Germany and even the USA. Many good people started great companies in Ireland even before we had international investment. They had to fight to make it work but if you want anything that’s what you have to do no matter where you are. From the 90s to the present day there have been many positive changes in this country including plenty of people doing it for them selves and setting up businesses in IT, manufacturing, services and many more areas of opportunity.

    People set the agenda and if most people take your attitude then we wouldn’t come out of this economic downturn. Spain, England, Iceland and several other countries all followed the same path of supposed wealth creation (I have 5 houses/apartments) and they are in practically the same position as Ireland. So lets drop this idea that Ireland and Irish people are somehow unique in having problems both economically and socially.

    My originally point that you have actually shown to be true is that there is an underlining attitude with some people that it is Ireland that is holding you back, in fact is this attitude that is holding some people back. What I am hearing recently and not just from you, is the old story of anywhere but here is a good place to be, its this kind of negative attitude once things go bad that will stifle many good people. Your own statement “you have no idea why you came back” and “it is those who stay that are the problem” is exactly what I figurer would be your attitude to your own country when I read the your first post.

    • b says:

      I never left. My family has been in and out of Ireland since the turn of the last century. I was just wondering aloud why they came back.

      Those who stay are not the problem. What I am trying to say is that risk taking is bred out by the fact that the risk takers have fled. If you have five kids and the smart arse one fecks off to America to make his fortune and this happens for generations in many many families we have bred out and gotten rid of the people that can and would get us out of this mess.

      And as for the attitude that “Ireland is holding you back” well hey look, how long does it take to do basic things like getting the M50 moving again, trains between work and where people live and look at the sheer size and sprawl of Dublin? Ireland Inc. hasn’t a clue what it want nor where it wants to go. We live from hand to mouth and stick our collective fingers in our ears when things go wrong. We don’t learn and we don’t listen. People work around the system and thats how things work. If you obey every law to the letter you would be in shit up to your ears and NOTHING would get done. We ignore the government for the most part because they are utterly clueless.

      I have no property but I have three businesses. All of whom employ people. Property in the long term employs shag all people. We will come out of the downturn but if we keep sitting on our hands and looking at the eejits in government for what to do and to do it for us like we seem to expect nothing will change or happen.

      Other places have their problems but for Gods sake people have been pointing out for years that the property market was a runaway horse and it would take the rest of us with it if it fell over. Well fall over it did and it has shoved some people onto the street and thousands of others into negative equity.

      If it is unpatriotic to want a better country then I will give you my address and you can come and throw me out.

      • Jay says:

        Well at least we agree on something’s.

        My last boss had six houses, when I suggested to him (in 2006) that we needed to do more in this country that constantly invest in property he laugh. His belief and that of many others was that Ireland was unique and property would always rise in value. I am not kidding that was his firm belief. Now everyone claims property was a crazy idea, not more than a year ago both you and me would have been laugh out of town to even suggest such a thing would happen.

        Yes, the transport is a mess and it’s a mess after billions were spent on roads. Government is a bureaucratic nightmare and those in power are usually party lackeys.

        I have worked in Ireland since the late 80s and worked with many small and medium size Irish companies with very talented owners and employees. One of the mistakes of the past was not supporting local enterprise; this thankfully has changed a great deal. So sure many great people left and become successful abroad, many people left and spent their lives in Irish bars in London and Queens in New York, not achieving a great deal. The same can be said for those who stayed. Once the economic environment in Ireland started to change in the early 90s many grab the opportunity with both hands regardless of the challenges put in front of them. Remember that we had 6-7 years of economic growth up to 2000 that had very little to do with property and all to do with enterprise both from International and regional investors.

  4. MK says:

    Hi David,

    The view that there is value to be had in the equity markets right now is a correct one, BUT the only problem is trying to pick the ones that will rise the most. Obviously staying away from financials will reduce the risk of any equity investment strategy going awry. Thats what people are doing with the likes of BOI for example, ie: staying away.

    Of course, with ‘hindsight investing’ (ie: if you would have invested X amount in company C back whenever it would be worth X * Y now) is not what people face. Indeed any of us would become multi-millionaires with “hindsight investing”, or indeed, hindsight betting. Sure there are people who bought CSCO or MSFT before most had heard of it and they picked it by chance, just like hitting treble 20 on a darts board when blindfolded. It doesnt make you a better darts player (or investor). There are 1000′s if not millions of pot luck stories. Trying to ape them is foolhardy.

    The real world is different. There is value there, such as in retail perhaps, as people must eat and drink, albeit perhaps lesser amounts when measured spend-wise. Even then there are no sure bets as surprises can come into any company, such as with Ahold at the 2000-01 blip. With a portfolio of 30% cash, 30% bonds and 40% equity, sure, shove 5% in more risky shares now, but its betting money rather than “widows and orphans” or “pensions money”.

    No doubt we will hear stories of people who invested in a company around now and will make megabucks from it. But, that will not be the average. We wont hear about the losers (that much). Most investment strategies are based on indices. Indeed being in an index, such as AIB is with Eurostoxx, can boost the value of a company by 10% or more. It makes no logical sense of course unless we take the lemming effect into account.

    Some shares are in demand and have more value than others because other people want them, nothing else, and it has nothing to do with the underlying or future prospective values of the company. Share values never accurately reflect the value of a company. If they did, share values would change in the order of 0.1% per day. Not 1%, or the +/-10% which is now common. US shares can maintain P/E’s above companies elsewhere in the globe simply because ‘they can’. Nothing to do with real valuation models. Halloween hocus pocus is appropriate.

    My advice would be to all those with some money is to invest wisely. Bet if you want to but consider it a bet. Would you put the same level of risk on the 3:30 at Kempton? Some shares are like that right now. You just dont know which ‘horses’ are gonna finish the race.

    Lorcan, would you buy BOI now? Maybe, or maybe not. They aint 3.70 anymore …..

    MK

    ps: didnt read all the comments ……

  5. Lorcan says:

    Mk > Lorcan, would you buy BOI now? Maybe, or maybe not. They aint 3.70 anymore …..

    Me (last Tueday) > Interesting looking at bank or irelands share price today. It’s standing at €1.38. That’s a P/E of 0.862. I’m not saying it’s a buy – far from it, but in any other context, it would be a free share.

    No I’m not getting back into BOI. I bought them last time because I figured there would be government action on the banks, and I bought to catch the bounce it would cause. I caught it and was happy. It was a very risky move, but it paid off. Slightly more that a dart in the newspaper trade, but not much.

    I’ve actually used the net gain from the trade to pay for my OU course fees, which I think is a prudent investment at the moment.

    At the moment I have very little exposure to the stock market, only a couple of very long-term positions in a few mining juniors (african diamonds and Glencar). I can see myself staying out for another few months, despite the current bear market rally (dead cat bounce?).

    Like you say, anyone interested in picking a winner should so a lot of research and look for survival rather than profit in the short to medium term.

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