Comments on: Paying a high price for daring to mess with the Streisand Generation http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/18/paying-a-high-price-for-daring-to-mess-with-the-streisand-generation?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=paying-a-high-price-for-daring-to-mess-with-the-streisand-generation The website of economist, author and broadcaster, David McWilliams Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:50:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: John http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/18/paying-a-high-price-for-daring-to-mess-with-the-streisand-generation/comment-page-1#comment-32807 John Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:59:19 +0000 http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/18/paying-a-high-price-for-daring-to-mess-with-the-streisand-generation#comment-32807 This is a favourite theme of yours but I would like to point out a couple of things. There seems to be an expectation from the twentysomethings in Ireland that wealth should be handed over to them without having to earn it,part of the having it all and having it now mentality.Your article implies that the wealth enjoyed by baby boomers was not earned but a happy accident. Most Irish people of a certain age knew unemployment and emigration and although house prices are high now for younger people you must remember that at least they can get mortgages. The baby boomers did not have easy access to credit and so to portray them as having walked into wealth is wrong. Mortgage lending in the eigthies was subject to punitive interest rates (10 to 12 %) if you were lucky enough to get it from a banking system that was reluctant to loan to anyone but the great and the good. I dont seem many twentysomethings going without shiny cars , holidays, shopping , plasma televisions , city breaks to Barcelona ,weekend stag parties and lavish weddings so that they can afford a mortgage. So give me a break with all the whinging about how tough it all is and how unfair. Every generation has its own problems. It will be interesting to see how the twentysomethings cope when the going gets tough. This is a favourite theme of yours but I would like to point out a couple of things.
There seems to be an expectation from the twentysomethings in Ireland that wealth should be handed over to them without having to earn it,part of the having it all and having it now mentality.Your article implies that the wealth enjoyed by baby boomers was not earned but a happy accident. Most Irish people of a certain age knew unemployment and emigration and although house prices are high now for younger people you must remember that at least they can get mortgages. The baby boomers did not have easy access to credit and so to portray them as having walked into wealth is wrong. Mortgage lending in the eigthies was subject to punitive interest rates (10 to 12 %) if you were lucky enough to get it from a banking system that was reluctant to loan to anyone but the great and the good.
I dont seem many twentysomethings going without shiny cars , holidays, shopping , plasma televisions , city breaks to Barcelona ,weekend stag parties and lavish weddings so that they can afford a mortgage.
So give me a break with all the whinging about how tough it all is and how unfair. Every generation has its own problems. It will be interesting to see how the twentysomethings cope when the going gets tough.

]]> By: okaycuckoo http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/18/paying-a-high-price-for-daring-to-mess-with-the-streisand-generation/comment-page-1#comment-32121 okaycuckoo Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:53:51 +0000 http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/18/paying-a-high-price-for-daring-to-mess-with-the-streisand-generation#comment-32121 Nice insight with the "good room" notion. Forelock tugging is another one. American blogs go on about the seething resentment for selfish baby-boomers amongst generations X/Y/Z. But they're all just people, in the end. Nice insight with the “good room” notion. Forelock tugging is another one.

American blogs go on about the seething resentment for selfish baby-boomers amongst generations X/Y/Z. But they’re all just people, in the end.

]]> By: tyoung http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/18/paying-a-high-price-for-daring-to-mess-with-the-streisand-generation/comment-page-1#comment-32118 tyoung Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:13:49 +0000 http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/18/paying-a-high-price-for-daring-to-mess-with-the-streisand-generation#comment-32118 I'm glad you see the property boom as the intergenerational wealth transfer that it is. This is the core of the issue. Go to the property Pin website to get a sense of the frustration of the younger generation versus the settled complacency of the older set on askaboutmoney. I’m glad you see the property boom as the intergenerational wealth transfer that it is. This is the core of the issue. Go to the property Pin website to get a sense of the frustration of the younger generation versus the settled complacency of the older set on askaboutmoney.

]]> By: Damian McEvoy http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/18/paying-a-high-price-for-daring-to-mess-with-the-streisand-generation/comment-page-1#comment-32079 Damian McEvoy Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:28:28 +0000 http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/18/paying-a-high-price-for-daring-to-mess-with-the-streisand-generation#comment-32079 Hugely enjoyable and thought-provoking article, David. Interesting though that the media portrayal and the audience perception of Oxegen are so vastly different. The media would have us believe that everyone who attended was violated by theft and arson. The reality is that 99%+ of attendees has a roaringly brilliant time. and countless annual attendees like me deemed it to be the best yet. 200 Euros for 2 full days of brilliant acts, many of whom would cost 50 Euros to attend in their own right, is actually value for money. (Gasp!) Anyone who was stupid enough to pay 550 Euros to watch an old lady sing for 2 hours deserves all they get. Hugely enjoyable and thought-provoking article, David. Interesting though that the media portrayal and the audience perception of Oxegen are so vastly different. The media would have us believe that everyone who attended was violated by theft and arson. The reality is that 99%+ of attendees has a roaringly brilliant time. and countless annual attendees like me deemed it to be the best yet. 200 Euros for 2 full days of brilliant acts, many of whom would cost 50 Euros to attend in their own right, is actually value for money. (Gasp!) Anyone who was stupid enough to pay 550 Euros to watch an old lady sing for 2 hours deserves all they get.

]]> By: David McWilliams http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/18/paying-a-high-price-for-daring-to-mess-with-the-streisand-generation/comment-page-1#comment-32068 David McWilliams Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:56:12 +0000 http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/18/paying-a-high-price-for-daring-to-mess-with-the-streisand-generation#comment-32068 thanks for all the comments. tom, here's to surprises! regards, david thanks for all the comments. tom, here’s to surprises! regards, david

]]> By: a bit of bonhomie : Busy bonhomie… http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/18/paying-a-high-price-for-daring-to-mess-with-the-streisand-generation/comment-page-1#comment-32036 a bit of bonhomie : Busy bonhomie… Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:58:16 +0000 http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/18/paying-a-high-price-for-daring-to-mess-with-the-streisand-generation#comment-32036 [...] Why should this be? While I find it fascinating that a blog can become the place for people to vent their frustrations over a particular event (and, indeed, I’m gratified, for the purpose of doing my theatre reviews is exactly to encourage debate), I would have thought that somewhere like boards.ie would be far more suitable for something that has affected so many people. But then, of course, MCD have the clout to prevent debate from happening on the internet, and the good folks in boards.ie have felt obliged to ban all mention of anything MCD related. This is so unhealthy it reeks. So unhappy consumers come here to comment. But with the Streisand Generation, perhaps that sort of bullying can’t be sustained. [...] [...] Why should this be? While I find it fascinating that a blog can become the place for people to vent their frustrations over a particular event (and, indeed, I’m gratified, for the purpose of doing my theatre reviews is exactly to encourage debate), I would have thought that somewhere like boards.ie would be far more suitable for something that has affected so many people. But then, of course, MCD have the clout to prevent debate from happening on the internet, and the good folks in boards.ie have felt obliged to ban all mention of anything MCD related. This is so unhealthy it reeks. So unhappy consumers come here to comment. But with the Streisand Generation, perhaps that sort of bullying can’t be sustained. [...]

]]> By: Robin Farrell http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/18/paying-a-high-price-for-daring-to-mess-with-the-streisand-generation/comment-page-1#comment-32030 Robin Farrell Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:30:03 +0000 http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/18/paying-a-high-price-for-daring-to-mess-with-the-streisand-generation#comment-32030 People need to know MCD have been pissing down their customers' backs for years in this country. We pay the highest ticket prices in Europe and Oxegen is the most badly organised farce I've ever been to. Vote with your feet and go to events by Aiken Promotions. People need to know MCD have been pissing down their customers’ backs for years in this country. We pay the highest ticket prices in Europe and Oxegen is the most badly organised farce I’ve ever been to.

Vote with your feet and go to events by Aiken Promotions.

]]> By: Ronin Cribbin http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/18/paying-a-high-price-for-daring-to-mess-with-the-streisand-generation/comment-page-1#comment-32029 Ronin Cribbin Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:18:35 +0000 http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/18/paying-a-high-price-for-daring-to-mess-with-the-streisand-generation#comment-32029 Very good article, i am myself one of the oxegen generation and know all too well that no matter how bad the set up is of oxegen or events like it, they is no use in complaining. Just look what happened to boards.ie, after the burning of tents in oxegen the year before last, mcd nearly brought legal action against the site and now boards.ie cannot say anything about any mcd events! It looks like mcd are afraid of some negative feedback. Very good article, i am myself one of the oxegen generation and know all too well that no matter how bad the set up is of oxegen or events like it, they is no use in complaining. Just look what happened to boards.ie, after the burning of tents in oxegen the year before last, mcd nearly brought legal action against the site and now boards.ie cannot say anything about any mcd events! It looks like mcd are afraid of some negative feedback.

]]> By: Tom http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/18/paying-a-high-price-for-daring-to-mess-with-the-streisand-generation/comment-page-1#comment-32007 Tom Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:30:41 +0000 http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/18/paying-a-high-price-for-daring-to-mess-with-the-streisand-generation#comment-32007 Usually I find David to be too opinionated and, frankly, boring. But. What a great and insightful article. The best compliment I can pay David is to say "I really didn't think it could be you". Usually I find David to be too opinionated and, frankly, boring. But. What a great and insightful article. The best compliment I can pay David is to say “I really didn’t think it could be you”.

]]> By: Aidan Kehoe http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/18/paying-a-high-price-for-daring-to-mess-with-the-streisand-generation/comment-page-1#comment-31992 Aidan Kehoe Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:51:28 +0000 http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/18/paying-a-high-price-for-daring-to-mess-with-the-streisand-generation#comment-31992 Ah, no, my mistake. How embarrassing. Ah, no, my mistake. How embarrassing.

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