Comments on: HiBrits – Ireland’s loss England’s gain http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/09/hibrits-irelands-loss-englands-gain?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=hibrits-irelands-loss-englands-gain The website of economist, author and broadcaster, David McWilliams Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:55:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: We're Not English We Are Scouse - US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/09/hibrits-irelands-loss-englands-gain/comment-page-1#comment-106272 We're Not English We Are Scouse - US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum Wed, 02 Nov 2011 01:07:40 +0000 http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/09/hibrits-irelands-loss-englands-gain#comment-106272 [...] [...] [...] [...]

]]> By: Observer http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/09/hibrits-irelands-loss-englands-gain/comment-page-1#comment-34584 Observer Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:45:16 +0000 http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/09/hibrits-irelands-loss-englands-gain#comment-34584 That kid will be gone in the next several years, Donal. I doubt his family plan on staying here when the going get's very tough economically and when their jobs are lost. What he fails to realise is that he is turning his own back on his own culture and that Bangladesh has a past-time of Cricket like their neighbours in India and Pakistan, not GAA. You can tell the dance from the dancer by knowing what foot he starts with instead of supposing to start with. That kid will be gone in the next several years, Donal.

I doubt his family plan on staying here when the going get’s very tough economically and when their jobs are lost.

What he fails to realise is that he is turning his own back on his own culture and that Bangladesh has a past-time of Cricket like their neighbours in India and Pakistan, not GAA.

You can tell the dance from the dancer by knowing what foot he starts with instead of supposing to start with.

]]> By: Bernie O'Keeffe http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/09/hibrits-irelands-loss-englands-gain/comment-page-1#comment-34583 Bernie O'Keeffe Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:26:47 +0000 http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/09/hibrits-irelands-loss-englands-gain#comment-34583 Sharon Osbourne is more Yiddish than Irish. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum! Sharon Osbourne is more Yiddish than Irish.

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum!

]]> By: Donal http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/09/hibrits-irelands-loss-englands-gain/comment-page-1#comment-31778 Donal Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:10:58 +0000 http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2007/07/09/hibrits-irelands-loss-englands-gain#comment-31778 "the millions of people of Irish decent in England." missing an 's' there dave - descent? seriously though, there is a point about culture that you have skipped a bit. Patricia states "He’s English on the outside”. And that's the point - where does the 'native' culture end and the 'immigrant' culture begin? You are saying that Irish people have had a massive influence on English culture - but they did so for the most part as coming from english society - they grew up in england, watched english telly, went to english schools etc. They are massively successfull in english culture but they are also products of that culture - even if they are Irish 'on the inside'. To a certain extent credit is due to english culture for accepting these people and allowing their talents to flourish, although at the same time there was and still is plenty of discrimination going around. I'm making this point as it seems to me that you imply that the effect of the 'new irish' will be to influence or change irish culture whereas from the english example it is clear that the 'new irish' will take advantage of the freedoms and prosperity to flourish within irish culture. Ultimately this is to the benefit of both, and this si the magic of immigration. So, it is up to Ireland and the 'old irish' to create an environment where the new irish are free to develop and flourish according to their talents. Apparently there is a bangladeshi kid in blanchardstown who is one of the most talented hurlers ever seen. In this case it is surely irish culture that is giving this kid a platform to develop and display his skills rather than bangladeshi culture changing hurling. Sean Og o hAlpin is another case in point. How can you tell the dancer from the dance? “the millions of people of Irish decent in England.”

missing an ‘s’ there dave – descent?

seriously though, there is a point about culture that you have skipped a bit. Patricia states “He’s English on the outside”. And that’s the point – where does the ‘native’ culture end and the ‘immigrant’ culture begin? You are saying that Irish people have had a massive influence on English culture – but they did so for the most part as coming from english society – they grew up in england, watched english telly, went to english schools etc. They are massively successfull in english culture but they are also products of that culture – even if they are Irish ‘on the inside’. To a certain extent credit is due to english culture for accepting these people and allowing their talents to flourish, although at the same time there was and still is plenty of discrimination going around.

I’m making this point as it seems to me that you imply that the effect of the ‘new irish’ will be to influence or change irish culture whereas from the english example it is clear that the ‘new irish’ will take advantage of the freedoms and prosperity to flourish within irish culture. Ultimately this is to the benefit of both, and this si the magic of immigration.

So, it is up to Ireland and the ‘old irish’ to create an environment where the new irish are free to develop and flourish according to their talents. Apparently there is a bangladeshi kid in blanchardstown who is one of the most talented hurlers ever seen. In this case it is surely irish culture that is giving this kid a platform to develop and display his skills rather than bangladeshi culture changing hurling. Sean Og o hAlpin is another case in point.

How can you tell the dancer from the dance?

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