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		<title>By: Glen Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John P Byrne,

I read your article on individualisation and I completly agree with you. Individualisation is a Socialist concept and it is introduced first in order to bring in equal rights. It is a way of getting rid of marriage in order to bring in equal rights for everybody i.e. single people, couples not married, gay couples not married, couples married and gay couples marrried. Just look at the new bill of cohabitation that just came out. The government thinks that it is doing right but in the long term they are destroying society as the children will grow up to be in-human, not think much of human life, confused and they will have a different value system to us now.

Also Napolean and Hitler were Socialist and nothing good has ever come from Socialism. I bought a DVD from the Imperial War museum which had an interview of Hitlers personal secretary. The interview was done in 1974 and in the interview she spoke of Hitler telling her that in less that 100 years (from 1945) there will be a new Socialist government that will become like a religion. (It scared the crap out of me). I reckon if you read Mein Kampf then you will see alot of similarity with Europe today that is why the book is banned in Europe!

What amazes me most is that in revelation in the bible, the bible speaks of a country of empire as a beast. The beast is in-human and the beast laws brings about evil laws. I believe that all our laws should be based on our Christian principles. This would stop the following Socialist laws from coming about: Abortion, Euthenasia of old people, Euthenasia of handicapped children (Hitler also done this), Getting rid of marriage, saying that homosexual activity is the same as hetrosexual activity.

Also Facisism got rid of the human concept and saw women as baby factorys in order to bring about a population boom. If you do a comparison on Facism in German in the 1930&#039;s and compare it with Europe today you won&#039;t see much of a difference.

Also the Catholic church and most Protestant churchs (Anglicans, baptist, etc) have acknowledged that Napolean and Hitler were anti-Christs. Which means there form of government was also evil which today we know to be true. Also Gobbles was Hitlers speaker in which he spoke Highly of Hitler, in which Hitler was basically GOD. Now if you look at revelation in the bible it speaks of an Empire (Socialist government), the anti-Christ (Like Hitler) and the false prophet (Like Gobbles). Now how scary is that.

The number of the beast 666, very simple. The bible tells us that if we reckonise the number of the beast then we won&#039;t be fooled like the rest of the World. First of all 6 is mans number since GOD created man on the sixth day.

First 6 :- The beast comes out of the sea. This descripes the evil empire since the empire is rising out of a sea of people. Since the empire is coming from people then it is man made.

Second 6 - The beast rises out of the Earth. This is telling of the anti-Christ himself. Who will come in the form of a man.

Third 6 :- This is another man who is the false prophet and power is given onto him.

I don&#039;t mean to get Biblical but as a scientist and a mathematician I can see alot of truth in what the bible says. I have never seen it before and it came as quite a big shock to me this year. Just look at the story of Sodam as an example of how bad laws desroyed there society (There society had full equal rights in that there was no distinction between homosexuals or hetrosexuals).

The point that I&#039;m trying to get at here is that in a proper society there must be limits. In that people will have freedom up to a limit and the same with equal rights. 

For example If I&#039;m getting harassed by a neighbour all the time then it would be in my human rights to go to him and to kill him, since he is putting undue stress and strain on me. In a normal society this would be illegal but not in a society that has full equal rights this would be allowed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John P Byrne,</p>
<p>I read your article on individualisation and I completly agree with you. Individualisation is a Socialist concept and it is introduced first in order to bring in equal rights. It is a way of getting rid of marriage in order to bring in equal rights for everybody i.e. single people, couples not married, gay couples not married, couples married and gay couples marrried. Just look at the new bill of cohabitation that just came out. The government thinks that it is doing right but in the long term they are destroying society as the children will grow up to be in-human, not think much of human life, confused and they will have a different value system to us now.</p>
<p>Also Napolean and Hitler were Socialist and nothing good has ever come from Socialism. I bought a DVD from the Imperial War museum which had an interview of Hitlers personal secretary. The interview was done in 1974 and in the interview she spoke of Hitler telling her that in less that 100 years (from 1945) there will be a new Socialist government that will become like a religion. (It scared the crap out of me). I reckon if you read Mein Kampf then you will see alot of similarity with Europe today that is why the book is banned in Europe!</p>
<p>What amazes me most is that in revelation in the bible, the bible speaks of a country of empire as a beast. The beast is in-human and the beast laws brings about evil laws. I believe that all our laws should be based on our Christian principles. This would stop the following Socialist laws from coming about: Abortion, Euthenasia of old people, Euthenasia of handicapped children (Hitler also done this), Getting rid of marriage, saying that homosexual activity is the same as hetrosexual activity.</p>
<p>Also Facisism got rid of the human concept and saw women as baby factorys in order to bring about a population boom. If you do a comparison on Facism in German in the 1930&#8242;s and compare it with Europe today you won&#8217;t see much of a difference.</p>
<p>Also the Catholic church and most Protestant churchs (Anglicans, baptist, etc) have acknowledged that Napolean and Hitler were anti-Christs. Which means there form of government was also evil which today we know to be true. Also Gobbles was Hitlers speaker in which he spoke Highly of Hitler, in which Hitler was basically GOD. Now if you look at revelation in the bible it speaks of an Empire (Socialist government), the anti-Christ (Like Hitler) and the false prophet (Like Gobbles). Now how scary is that.</p>
<p>The number of the beast 666, very simple. The bible tells us that if we reckonise the number of the beast then we won&#8217;t be fooled like the rest of the World. First of all 6 is mans number since GOD created man on the sixth day.</p>
<p>First 6 :- The beast comes out of the sea. This descripes the evil empire since the empire is rising out of a sea of people. Since the empire is coming from people then it is man made.</p>
<p>Second 6 &#8211; The beast rises out of the Earth. This is telling of the anti-Christ himself. Who will come in the form of a man.</p>
<p>Third 6 :- This is another man who is the false prophet and power is given onto him.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to get Biblical but as a scientist and a mathematician I can see alot of truth in what the bible says. I have never seen it before and it came as quite a big shock to me this year. Just look at the story of Sodam as an example of how bad laws desroyed there society (There society had full equal rights in that there was no distinction between homosexuals or hetrosexuals).</p>
<p>The point that I&#8217;m trying to get at here is that in a proper society there must be limits. In that people will have freedom up to a limit and the same with equal rights. </p>
<p>For example If I&#8217;m getting harassed by a neighbour all the time then it would be in my human rights to go to him and to kill him, since he is putting undue stress and strain on me. In a normal society this would be illegal but not in a society that has full equal rights this would be allowed.</p>
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		<title>By: John P. Byrne</title>
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		<dc:creator>John P. Byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone still tuning in to this page I want to draw your attention to an extended essay on individualisation entitled: Whisper the Dirty Word:&#039;Individualisation!&#039; which can be read in full here http://www.johnpbyrne.ie/catalog.23.html

Thank You</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone still tuning in to this page I want to draw your attention to an extended essay on individualisation entitled: Whisper the Dirty Word:&#8217;Individualisation!&#8217; which can be read in full here <a href="http://www.johnpbyrne.ie/catalog.23.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.johnpbyrne.ie/catalog.23.html</a></p>
<p>Thank You</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 20:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a woman/mother/teacher but I believe that the state now wants control over the little ones to brainwash them and to de-humanise them.There was a time when children were hugged when they fell, but not now with all the FEAR of abuse charges.Fear of showing love to children is very damaging to the little ones.They sense it.It confuses them.
Take America the other day where a 4 yr old was given detention for hugging a teacher at the end of the day ..because he snuggled into her bosom.How utterly crazy is that???
I took my children out of state education to avoid the catholic brainwashing and the state brainwashing too.I home educated.My son has his own company at 15 and my daughter is off to Uni next year. Oh...not in Ireland.....
Teachers in America and Britain are the ones who cannot get much else as their standard is way lower than here by far.
I do believe that the little ones NEED their mum full time at home till they are 4 years old in order to bond properly and be fully nourished by mum as nature intended.This way they are confident and well bonded internally.
The state believes it should control children from birth like Britain and U.S.
A mother who is working full time and keeping house and rearing children is exhausting hersef and is of little use to either her children,family or workplace.
The Government sees women as a baby factory to create more people to pay tax.I saw it written in the paper recently where the minister was celebrating the large number of over 15 as they are the tax payers of the future.Nice to know what they think of us all then..slaves to the state.!!!!!
When I di teach other children I did not keep to the curriculum strictly as all children are different. At lunch boys and girls learned to cook food using proper meat and veg etc.We also did lessons on paying bills,getting a flat,getting a job,etc.It was a poor area and the children had never been outside the country so we arranged for them all to go and experience Europe..so the incentive to learn French was ignited.
Being a good teacher requires enormous energy to do the job right.It is a lot more than religion and exams.Neither of these prepare children for the bigger world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a woman/mother/teacher but I believe that the state now wants control over the little ones to brainwash them and to de-humanise them.There was a time when children were hugged when they fell, but not now with all the FEAR of abuse charges.Fear of showing love to children is very damaging to the little ones.They sense it.It confuses them.<br />
Take America the other day where a 4 yr old was given detention for hugging a teacher at the end of the day ..because he snuggled into her bosom.How utterly crazy is that???<br />
I took my children out of state education to avoid the catholic brainwashing and the state brainwashing too.I home educated.My son has his own company at 15 and my daughter is off to Uni next year. Oh&#8230;not in Ireland&#8230;..<br />
Teachers in America and Britain are the ones who cannot get much else as their standard is way lower than here by far.<br />
I do believe that the little ones NEED their mum full time at home till they are 4 years old in order to bond properly and be fully nourished by mum as nature intended.This way they are confident and well bonded internally.<br />
The state believes it should control children from birth like Britain and U.S.<br />
A mother who is working full time and keeping house and rearing children is exhausting hersef and is of little use to either her children,family or workplace.<br />
The Government sees women as a baby factory to create more people to pay tax.I saw it written in the paper recently where the minister was celebrating the large number of over 15 as they are the tax payers of the future.Nice to know what they think of us all then..slaves to the state.!!!!!<br />
When I di teach other children I did not keep to the curriculum strictly as all children are different. At lunch boys and girls learned to cook food using proper meat and veg etc.We also did lessons on paying bills,getting a flat,getting a job,etc.It was a poor area and the children had never been outside the country so we arranged for them all to go and experience Europe..so the incentive to learn French was ignited.<br />
Being a good teacher requires enormous energy to do the job right.It is a lot more than religion and exams.Neither of these prepare children for the bigger world.</p>
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		<title>By: eoin</title>
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		<dc:creator>eoin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 21:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian is getting to be a bit of a joke, particularly with the same old sleeven comments against Irish language training. The American education system is useless, I have met university graduates who could not find significant European countries on the Map, or know their own history - nevermind the history of the rest of the world. heck,  a large portion of the country cannot find the US on the map. Of course the Irish system is way better on history, English, Science, mathematics etc. we even get to write essays rather than multiple choice; anyone who does not believe that should try and get any graduate of a US high-school to complete a leaving cert exam - not a hope. In fact the American high school graduation exams are generally about 6th class level in Ireland, there being no standard exam, or exam at all in cases ( where the SAT is applied) it varies widely, and the only thing the US excels at is it&#039;s ( very few) great third level education facilities, which are great by historical accident - Europe&#039;s intellectuals decamped there en masse during the Nazi era, and after the 2nd world war.  Prior to that the centre of intellectual power was Europe, particularly Germany. Many of the best facilities are dependent on European intellectuals and non-US students to maintain standards. Korea&#039;s education system produce automatons.

As for the &quot;confidence&quot; factor which is missing in Irish kids, that too is a product of sleeveenism. Nothing to do with the education system. In fact studies show that the brightest people underestimate their abilities ( aware of much brighter people they have read, or worked with) and the stupid and undereducated massively overestimate it. Or just watch the X-Factor, for an example of this in real life: people who have been brought up with the confidence to &quot;believe in themselves&quot; get to meet simon cowell, and illusions are dispersed. 

Lastly american teachers are far less well paid than Irish teachers, are less well educated ( a bachelors degree not always required), and from a lower stratum of society, and probably have a much lower  IQ.

In short everything Brian says is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian is getting to be a bit of a joke, particularly with the same old sleeven comments against Irish language training. The American education system is useless, I have met university graduates who could not find significant European countries on the Map, or know their own history &#8211; nevermind the history of the rest of the world. heck,  a large portion of the country cannot find the US on the map. Of course the Irish system is way better on history, English, Science, mathematics etc. we even get to write essays rather than multiple choice; anyone who does not believe that should try and get any graduate of a US high-school to complete a leaving cert exam &#8211; not a hope. In fact the American high school graduation exams are generally about 6th class level in Ireland, there being no standard exam, or exam at all in cases ( where the SAT is applied) it varies widely, and the only thing the US excels at is it&#8217;s ( very few) great third level education facilities, which are great by historical accident &#8211; Europe&#8217;s intellectuals decamped there en masse during the Nazi era, and after the 2nd world war.  Prior to that the centre of intellectual power was Europe, particularly Germany. Many of the best facilities are dependent on European intellectuals and non-US students to maintain standards. Korea&#8217;s education system produce automatons.</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;confidence&#8221; factor which is missing in Irish kids, that too is a product of sleeveenism. Nothing to do with the education system. In fact studies show that the brightest people underestimate their abilities ( aware of much brighter people they have read, or worked with) and the stupid and undereducated massively overestimate it. Or just watch the X-Factor, for an example of this in real life: people who have been brought up with the confidence to &#8220;believe in themselves&#8221; get to meet simon cowell, and illusions are dispersed. </p>
<p>Lastly american teachers are far less well paid than Irish teachers, are less well educated ( a bachelors degree not always required), and from a lower stratum of society, and probably have a much lower  IQ.</p>
<p>In short everything Brian says is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Ciarán Mc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ciarán Mc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,
Good example. 

Another side of this is that over the last number of years childcare has moved up the political agenda.  People have started demanding much more government support for childcare provision, something like they have I&#039;m led to understand in Scandanavian countries.  If the government were to act on this demand (so far there have only been token gestures) and were to provide say higer subsidies for the industry to make care cheaper, then in effect, they&#039;d be subsidising further the double income couple.  They&#039;d be taking (more) tax from single income families and distributing it to double income families.  It would be yet another policy which would bolster your argument about constitutionality.  Even constitutional matters aside - one wonders how far we can go in this direction and what, as David points out, are the costs to society in  terms of raising balanced children. The  theoretical limit is that ALL families who can be twin incomes will be, but probably there&#039;s a curve whereby the marginal return tapers off, let&#039;s say at 85%. But at the moment we&#039;re at I think 60%.  The other aspect to this is that it is in some respects self re-inforcing.  If most families are twin income then the purchasing power chasing the supply of housing is going to push out the one-income family, thereby giving another imperative for the second spouse to work.
In any case, this is certainly an area that deserves our attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,<br />
Good example. </p>
<p>Another side of this is that over the last number of years childcare has moved up the political agenda.  People have started demanding much more government support for childcare provision, something like they have I&#8217;m led to understand in Scandanavian countries.  If the government were to act on this demand (so far there have only been token gestures) and were to provide say higer subsidies for the industry to make care cheaper, then in effect, they&#8217;d be subsidising further the double income couple.  They&#8217;d be taking (more) tax from single income families and distributing it to double income families.  It would be yet another policy which would bolster your argument about constitutionality.  Even constitutional matters aside &#8211; one wonders how far we can go in this direction and what, as David points out, are the costs to society in  terms of raising balanced children. The  theoretical limit is that ALL families who can be twin incomes will be, but probably there&#8217;s a curve whereby the marginal return tapers off, let&#8217;s say at 85%. But at the moment we&#8217;re at I think 60%.  The other aspect to this is that it is in some respects self re-inforcing.  If most families are twin income then the purchasing power chasing the supply of housing is going to push out the one-income family, thereby giving another imperative for the second spouse to work.<br />
In any case, this is certainly an area that deserves our attention.</p>
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		<title>By: John P. Byrne</title>
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		<dc:creator>John P. Byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ciarán Mc., you raise a valid point, however the differential may not be as insignificant as you think in a given case. Let me give you the following example based on one married couples&#039; situation that I encountered:

He is earning 46k
She is earning 20k

Their combined income means they fall into the lower tax bracket (now 68k since the Budget). However, they have just had their first child and she has decided she wants to stay at home and mind the child. In that way they lose one income (20k pa). Now, because they are only a one income family some of his income falls into the higher rate for the first time. He pays the lower rate until 43k and then the higher rate on the remainder. PLUS they are afforded one less employee tax credit (1760k pa). To partially compensate she will receive a home carers allowance, I think that figure was EUR 770, from Budget 2006. 

The home carers allowance notwithstanding, their total income into the house has dropped to a point where she realises that she can&#039;t afford to stay at home - she realises that she must work (and by all accounts was devastated on hearing this news) 

This couple are the losers of this taxation policy, and it hardly seems fair. However, other couples have lost out too, couples who are simply paying the higher rate of tax much earlier than they would be if the tax bands were applied in the same way. I&#039;ve been asking economists to give me a figure since I published that Irish Times piece (perhaps David will assist) as I want to know what the total differential has been between married one income and married two income families since Budget 2000. One analyst said it was greater than 15k but he didn&#039;t give me a final figure. 

Yes of course there is an argument the other way, that two income married couples must pay child care through the nose if they cannot afford to keep one spouse at home. In that way, looking back at the example above, the couple in the example will lose out regardless of which way they turn. On the one hand, she can stay at home and they have one less income and pay more taxation, or, on the other hand, they can both remain in employment in the greater economy and pay child care through the nose and run the risks outlined above in David&#039;s piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ciarán Mc., you raise a valid point, however the differential may not be as insignificant as you think in a given case. Let me give you the following example based on one married couples&#8217; situation that I encountered:</p>
<p>He is earning 46k<br />
She is earning 20k</p>
<p>Their combined income means they fall into the lower tax bracket (now 68k since the Budget). However, they have just had their first child and she has decided she wants to stay at home and mind the child. In that way they lose one income (20k pa). Now, because they are only a one income family some of his income falls into the higher rate for the first time. He pays the lower rate until 43k and then the higher rate on the remainder. PLUS they are afforded one less employee tax credit (1760k pa). To partially compensate she will receive a home carers allowance, I think that figure was EUR 770, from Budget 2006. </p>
<p>The home carers allowance notwithstanding, their total income into the house has dropped to a point where she realises that she can&#8217;t afford to stay at home &#8211; she realises that she must work (and by all accounts was devastated on hearing this news) </p>
<p>This couple are the losers of this taxation policy, and it hardly seems fair. However, other couples have lost out too, couples who are simply paying the higher rate of tax much earlier than they would be if the tax bands were applied in the same way. I&#8217;ve been asking economists to give me a figure since I published that Irish Times piece (perhaps David will assist) as I want to know what the total differential has been between married one income and married two income families since Budget 2000. One analyst said it was greater than 15k but he didn&#8217;t give me a final figure. </p>
<p>Yes of course there is an argument the other way, that two income married couples must pay child care through the nose if they cannot afford to keep one spouse at home. In that way, looking back at the example above, the couple in the example will lose out regardless of which way they turn. On the one hand, she can stay at home and they have one less income and pay more taxation, or, on the other hand, they can both remain in employment in the greater economy and pay child care through the nose and run the risks outlined above in David&#8217;s piece.</p>
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		<title>By: SpinstaSista</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpinstaSista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for children becoming bi-lingual or even tri-lingual as early as possible. Like most people educated in Ireland, I learnt Irish from primary school level and any other languages were learnt at second level. Unfortunately languages were badly taught in my secondary school. The standard of Irish taught in 2nd year in secondary school was behind that taught in 6th class of primary school. I learnt French in secondary school and did night classes in German, but no matter how hard I work at these languages I will not have the fluency of someone who has been taught these languages from age 3 or 4.

Our immigrants put us to shame in this area - most of them speak two or three languages. We Irish need to pull our socks up and teach languages properly from an early age. Learning Irish at primary level is good because it primes a child&#039;s brain for learning languages, but we need to introduce languages other than Irish at an early stage.

We need to cop on in Ireland - our communication abilities are poor, whether it is Irish people&#039;s language skills or the availability of broadband and second generation internet connection. If we cannot communicate with the rest of the world, not matter how well we think we are doing now, we will get left behind in the medium to long term future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for children becoming bi-lingual or even tri-lingual as early as possible. Like most people educated in Ireland, I learnt Irish from primary school level and any other languages were learnt at second level. Unfortunately languages were badly taught in my secondary school. The standard of Irish taught in 2nd year in secondary school was behind that taught in 6th class of primary school. I learnt French in secondary school and did night classes in German, but no matter how hard I work at these languages I will not have the fluency of someone who has been taught these languages from age 3 or 4.</p>
<p>Our immigrants put us to shame in this area &#8211; most of them speak two or three languages. We Irish need to pull our socks up and teach languages properly from an early age. Learning Irish at primary level is good because it primes a child&#8217;s brain for learning languages, but we need to introduce languages other than Irish at an early stage.</p>
<p>We need to cop on in Ireland &#8211; our communication abilities are poor, whether it is Irish people&#8217;s language skills or the availability of broadband and second generation internet connection. If we cannot communicate with the rest of the world, not matter how well we think we are doing now, we will get left behind in the medium to long term future.</p>
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		<title>By: Aidan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aidan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ciarán,

Your comment about the need for a broader educational focus made me think of something I was talking about with an English colleague yesterday. He was telling me that his son was interested in Asian languages and we were talking 
about the secondary schools in the Leiden area (where we both live and work).

I was amazed to find that the public secondary school in the area I live in offers not only a bilingual education program (half of the subjects through Dutch, half through English) and offers Mandarin Chinese and Spanish as subjects.

This is taken from the school website  &quot;Pushing the boundaries of communication - that is one of the characteristic educational features of Visser. Therefore students (and parents!) at our school learn Chinese. Speaking Chinese gives you a head start in the world of tomorrow. In the vision of the Visser &#039;t Hooft Lyceum there are three world languages: English, Spanish and Chinese. Thus each of the three languages is taught at Visser. Specifically we mean Mandarin, as spoken by 850 million people.The Chinese lessons are given outside of the standard roster by trained teachers, who are either native speakers or near to that level.&quot;

The idea that a school would have such a modern philosophy and actually enact it is incredible for me but I guess that I am a typical product of the Irish educational production line where you learned to pass exams to get to university to get a good job. 

The growth of the Gaeilscoileanna in Ireland is a very positive move but you have to wonder why intermediate forms of education like the bilingual immersion programs in Holland or Canada are not being introduced. The vision of Irish politicians now seems to be to have a bilingual Ireland but how can that ever be achieved without active measures to achieve bilingualism.

Aidan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ciarán,</p>
<p>Your comment about the need for a broader educational focus made me think of something I was talking about with an English colleague yesterday. He was telling me that his son was interested in Asian languages and we were talking<br />
about the secondary schools in the Leiden area (where we both live and work).</p>
<p>I was amazed to find that the public secondary school in the area I live in offers not only a bilingual education program (half of the subjects through Dutch, half through English) and offers Mandarin Chinese and Spanish as subjects.</p>
<p>This is taken from the school website  &#8220;Pushing the boundaries of communication &#8211; that is one of the characteristic educational features of Visser. Therefore students (and parents!) at our school learn Chinese. Speaking Chinese gives you a head start in the world of tomorrow. In the vision of the Visser &#8216;t Hooft Lyceum there are three world languages: English, Spanish and Chinese. Thus each of the three languages is taught at Visser. Specifically we mean Mandarin, as spoken by 850 million people.The Chinese lessons are given outside of the standard roster by trained teachers, who are either native speakers or near to that level.&#8221;</p>
<p>The idea that a school would have such a modern philosophy and actually enact it is incredible for me but I guess that I am a typical product of the Irish educational production line where you learned to pass exams to get to university to get a good job. </p>
<p>The growth of the Gaeilscoileanna in Ireland is a very positive move but you have to wonder why intermediate forms of education like the bilingual immersion programs in Holland or Canada are not being introduced. The vision of Irish politicians now seems to be to have a bilingual Ireland but how can that ever be achieved without active measures to achieve bilingualism.</p>
<p>Aidan</p>
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		<title>By: Ciarán Mc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ciarán Mc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,
Your points about the Gaelscoileanna and the religious interference in education are bang on.
Also, I would agree that it&#039;s a shame that the Irish education system has so little time for philosophy or &#039;thinking&#039;. And indeed speaking - for example public speaking. Though these are slowly getting better and transition year children get some exposure to presentation skills and so on.
Having said all that - our writers continue to enjoy a good reputation abroad, so our literary capital seems to be replete. 
Regarding the Irish language - your comment is rather unfair.  It is a minority language, has been since the foundation of the state, and so it&#039;s a lot to expect that its tiny community produce works of world wide appeal.  Nevertheless, Cré na Cille by O Cadhain, and the works of Mairtín O Direáin do earn a fair respect outside of Ireland.   Unfortunately we failed to stop the decline of Irish - let alone revive it - and so the number of people who write in Irish is now absolutely minuscule.  I would go so far as saying that, given that the Irish writing community is so utterly tiny, it is remarkable that it continues to produce any praiseworthy works at all. And yet somehow it does: This year for example a lovely book called, Fontenoy by Liam Mac Coil won the literary award at the Oireachtas Festival. Why we failed to stem the decline of Irish and the what is the significance of recent developments are debates for another day.
In the main, however, I would fully agree that our education system needs reform.  
As a postscript - the question of articulacy in children or young adults is interesting.  I wonder how much it depends on things outside the classroom, such as how good parents are at expressing themselves.  Let&#039;s not forget that mass education only ramped up in Ireland from the early 70s through to about 1990. (As free education introduced in 1967 rippled through the system). So Ireland contains a generation of parents now in their 60s where the vast majority did not complete 2nd level let alone 3rd level.  When the present generation passes through, and their children grow up, perhaps we will see a positive change in terms of confidence and articulacy. None of this of course removes the need for reform and improvement in education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,<br />
Your points about the Gaelscoileanna and the religious interference in education are bang on.<br />
Also, I would agree that it&#8217;s a shame that the Irish education system has so little time for philosophy or &#8216;thinking&#8217;. And indeed speaking &#8211; for example public speaking. Though these are slowly getting better and transition year children get some exposure to presentation skills and so on.<br />
Having said all that &#8211; our writers continue to enjoy a good reputation abroad, so our literary capital seems to be replete.<br />
Regarding the Irish language &#8211; your comment is rather unfair.  It is a minority language, has been since the foundation of the state, and so it&#8217;s a lot to expect that its tiny community produce works of world wide appeal.  Nevertheless, Cré na Cille by O Cadhain, and the works of Mairtín O Direáin do earn a fair respect outside of Ireland.   Unfortunately we failed to stop the decline of Irish &#8211; let alone revive it &#8211; and so the number of people who write in Irish is now absolutely minuscule.  I would go so far as saying that, given that the Irish writing community is so utterly tiny, it is remarkable that it continues to produce any praiseworthy works at all. And yet somehow it does: This year for example a lovely book called, Fontenoy by Liam Mac Coil won the literary award at the Oireachtas Festival. Why we failed to stem the decline of Irish and the what is the significance of recent developments are debates for another day.<br />
In the main, however, I would fully agree that our education system needs reform.<br />
As a postscript &#8211; the question of articulacy in children or young adults is interesting.  I wonder how much it depends on things outside the classroom, such as how good parents are at expressing themselves.  Let&#8217;s not forget that mass education only ramped up in Ireland from the early 70s through to about 1990. (As free education introduced in 1967 rippled through the system). So Ireland contains a generation of parents now in their 60s where the vast majority did not complete 2nd level let alone 3rd level.  When the present generation passes through, and their children grow up, perhaps we will see a positive change in terms of confidence and articulacy. None of this of course removes the need for reform and improvement in education.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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