Comments on: Let’s come to our census on immigration

By: bibibgoikixx

bibibgoikixx — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:59:34 +0000

By: Wrazwal

Wrazwal — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:35:26 +0000

Herald with greetings!

By: JJ

JJ — Mon, 28 Aug 2006 00:00:00 +0000

As a young Irish labourer in the London of the mid-80s I was bemused by the
large numbers of indigenous, feckless, whining pillocks who: a) had somehow
managed to secure well-paid employment; b) were resentful of my presence
in the workforce; c) viewed me as a social inferior; d) were of the notion that
wealth creation was a skill only they possessed. Now, twenty years on as a
successful businessman, I very occassionally wonder what happened to the
aforementioned feckless whining pillocks – lo and behold they’re in Ireland!
The “concerns of the great swathes of the native people marginalised”
mentioned in SV’s comment is actually the collective flatulence of of the pig-
back riding eejit element who realise that their number is up. Finally they’ve
been exposed. If it was down to God I’d thank him for market forces – and
Poles. Fortunately it isn’t – an act of God is the last thing Ireland needs.

By: Gerry2

Gerry2 — Mon, 28 Aug 2006 00:00:00 +0000

JJ is a fine example of why business shouldn’t have the
final say on immigration policy as they prone to see to
situation only thru their own prism.

The situation currently witnessing in Ireland is very
different to that he experienced in 80s Britain beacuse of
a) the existing under-investment in services (mainly on the
behest of Business-driven low-tax, low-spend policies) b)
because of the dramatic relative difference between E.
Europe and the West and c) because of the consequent sheer
scale of numbers and the extrordinary rate of entry is
bound to overwhelm services, infrastrucure etc and militate
against long-term integration.
Wealth creation at the expense at all else e.g social
cohesion, etc is a poor deal/ and it doesn’t matter how loud
IBEC, ISME etc scream otherwise.

By: SV

SV — Thu, 24 Aug 2006 00:00:00 +0000

As has been pointed out on numerous occasions the position
of both the New-Left and the Neo-Liberals makes them
undistinguishable on this issue. Considering that is the
only “right” or “Left” on many of the, now unrepresentative,
parliamentary Parties, it leaves the concerns of the great
swaths of the native people marginalised – and, as the
adage goes �nature abhors a vacuum�

By: Gerry2

Gerry2 — Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:00:00 +0000

The whole key point in this is what’s being called by some
“The Great Silence” i.e. the absence of any public debate.

I’m afraid I’m cynical enough to simply see this as a poly
by the politico-business class to maximise the flow of wage
deflating, condition-reducing labour.

The fact is studies like that of Harvard Professor George
Borjas have shown quite clearly the negative effects of
immigration on native wages.

The pressure on services, infrastructure etc should also be
a consideration as is ‘living space’ – a quality of life
issue. More than that The SKILL-LEVEL of immigrants is
vital. Recent studies like that of Dr Michael Ben-Gad ,
University of Haifa, have concluded after 10 years study on
immigration in the U.S. that unskilled immigration brings
few benefits to the host country.

The pressure for increased in public services, means more
competition for finite resources and which in turn drives
up cost and impacts more on the socially vulnerable.

The “it’s good for the economy” mantra is the favoured chant
of the voodoo economist.

WE don’t, as you have said, need a extreme Nationalist Right
to hijack this huge issue, but there is already a nasty
radical ‘left’ at sea who bully anyone who’d stick their
head above the parapet on this.
(as with the attack on Justin Barrett by a group calling
itself AFA. – this happened with impunity?) it is as if
they want to create a mirror-image opposite of themselves to
justify their own existence.Such is the symbiosis of the
nasties.

The media climate is stiflingly “P.C.” to the point of
something for Orwell. Debate is important!! The current
situation is very unhealthy.

By: David Mc Williams

David Mc Williams — Mon, 24 Jul 2006 00:00:00 +0000

Thanks for all the comments. Dee, just to address your
view, I think that the all comments are valid as they are
reflective of what people are thinking, good, bad and
indifferent. I take your point, but I feel that we have to
consider all angles. Thanks again, David

By: John bennett

John bennett — Mon, 24 Jul 2006 00:00:00 +0000

When Justin Barrett ran on this platform in the european
elections he got nowhere. The media barely tolerated him.
He warned that Ireland would receive alot more immigrants
than any government minister said would arrive. It appears
that Justin Barrett was right about the numbers that would
arrive. It will be interesting to see if Justin Barrett
ran in the general election how he would do. I bet some
indepependent canditate will run on this issue. Of course
it will probably be ignored by the main parties. However
it will be interesting to see where Sinn Fein will go on
this one. Backbench Fianna Fail TDs must be detecting
something on the doorsteps. After all why have they
decided to form a commitee to air their views

By: stephen

stephen — Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:00:00 +0000

very interesting david i must say, but if we are going to
preach this pro european mantra that our politicians are
consistently advocating, how do we suddenly say no we
don’t want any more immigrants and that borders must be
put in place. it is a very tricky situation especially
given how the previous generations of irish moved abroad
for better things, surely it would be hypocriticm of the
highest order if we came out and said no more immigrants.

By: JJ

JJ — Sun, 09 Apr 2006 00:00:00 +0000

The answer to Gerry2’s gripes would be answered by a political
party governing from a ‘predict and provide’ mandate. That would
require the leadership of a conviction politician with backbone –
good luck with that. Even if our liver-lipped leaders were to deviate
from their self-serving path and indulge in a little civic
responsibility, they still couldn’t have predicted what has come to
pass in recent years. Immigration will boost the workforce in terms
of numbers and, subsequently, in terms of clout. Their sheer
number will force the politicians to improve public services –
otherwise their inability to afford items such as private healthcare
will make for an increasingly disgruntled workforce demanding
more dosh from employers – and unionising in greater numbers.
No employer wants a militant workforce and will subsequently put
the squeeze on Bertie’s boys at the Galway Races to pull their
collective finger out and spend. They’ll put taxes up to fund it and
they’ll lose the election. So we’ll get improved services, a happier
workforce and miserable unemployed politicians. Not a bad day’s
work really. That’s as close as you’ll get to ’social cohesion’ – all
courtesy of immigration.