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	<title>Comments on: This land is Ireland, this land is their land: The Brave New World</title>
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		<title>By: Tom Farrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to see a discussion that casts the Chinese in a light 
other than that of stacking shelves in Spar or Centra.

For a fascinating insight into the &#039;overseas&#039; Chinese, 
check out &quot;The Spirit of Chinese Capitalism&quot; (Redding, G. 
1990). The overseas Chinese (originating mostly from 
Southern China) account for a huge part of the economic 
activity across SE Asia (at least 50m Chinese in these 
economies) especially in banking, property, construction, 
mining, export/import trade and manufacturing. Business 
relationships transcend national borders - it truly is one 
single ecosystem unto itself. It is generally acknowledged 
that they run their businesses more shrewdly 
than &#039;indigenous&#039; entepreneurs, e.g. gross return on equity 
for Philippino firms in late 80&#039;s was 148% vs 84% for 
Chinese and Non-Chinese firms. The smarter enterprises in 
Ireland will learn learn from the Chinese with their 
Confucian work ethic, their ability to network in a global 
world and their lack of complacency.

As a related point, this raises the interesting topic of 
how capitalism varies across regions. Quite a few academics 
agree that there are broadly 5-6 different variations, viz, 
US (shareholder value), Europe (community), China (family 
wealth), Japan (employment), Korea (state development). 
Consequently, your typical Chinese firm will not see the 
capital markets as the end goal and destination. They will 
not be slaves to short term results, rather long term 
family position. Businesses are run as a family business 
(or a closely knit inner circle of business partners) 
connected through personal ties (guanxi) and 
paternalistically run (the Confucian influence). 

So if New Ireland capitalism lands somewhere between that 
of the US and Europe, then what an intriguing dynamic we 
have ahead of us! New Ireland merchant princes driven by 
the unfettered capital markets in cohorts with long term 
thinking Confucian family empires. Dublin city....where the 
West truly meets the East!

Rgds,
Tom </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to see a discussion that casts the Chinese in a light<br />
other than that of stacking shelves in Spar or Centra.</p>
<p>For a fascinating insight into the &#8216;overseas&#8217; Chinese,<br />
check out &#8220;The Spirit of Chinese Capitalism&#8221; (Redding, G.<br />
1990). The overseas Chinese (originating mostly from<br />
Southern China) account for a huge part of the economic<br />
activity across SE Asia (at least 50m Chinese in these<br />
economies) especially in banking, property, construction,<br />
mining, export/import trade and manufacturing. Business<br />
relationships transcend national borders &#8211; it truly is one<br />
single ecosystem unto itself. It is generally acknowledged<br />
that they run their businesses more shrewdly<br />
than &#8216;indigenous&#8217; entepreneurs, e.g. gross return on equity<br />
for Philippino firms in late 80&#8242;s was 148% vs 84% for<br />
Chinese and Non-Chinese firms. The smarter enterprises in<br />
Ireland will learn learn from the Chinese with their<br />
Confucian work ethic, their ability to network in a global<br />
world and their lack of complacency.</p>
<p>As a related point, this raises the interesting topic of<br />
how capitalism varies across regions. Quite a few academics<br />
agree that there are broadly 5-6 different variations, viz,<br />
US (shareholder value), Europe (community), China (family<br />
wealth), Japan (employment), Korea (state development).<br />
Consequently, your typical Chinese firm will not see the<br />
capital markets as the end goal and destination. They will<br />
not be slaves to short term results, rather long term<br />
family position. Businesses are run as a family business<br />
(or a closely knit inner circle of business partners)<br />
connected through personal ties (guanxi) and<br />
paternalistically run (the Confucian influence). </p>
<p>So if New Ireland capitalism lands somewhere between that<br />
of the US and Europe, then what an intriguing dynamic we<br />
have ahead of us! New Ireland merchant princes driven by<br />
the unfettered capital markets in cohorts with long term<br />
thinking Confucian family empires. Dublin city&#8230;.where the<br />
West truly meets the East!</p>
<p>Rgds,<br />
Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Waters</title>
		<link>http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2006/01/11/this-land-is-ireland-this-land-is-their-land-the-brave-new-world/comment-page-1#comment-538</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on the money.  Except maybe a bit lean on the 
Chinese influence on the Philippines.  The Chinese 
practically own the place.  

Forbes Magazine identified the four Filipino billionaires 
as Lucio Tan, with a net worth of US$1.7 billion; Henry 
Sy, US$1.5 billion; George Ty, US$1.1 billion; and Jaime 
Augusto Zobel de Ayala and family, US$1 billion. The 
combined wealth of these Filipino billionaires amounted to 
about US$5.3 billion or almost 7 percent of the country&#039;s 
GDP of US$75.2 billion in 2001. The first three 
billionaires were immigrants from China while Ayala was a 
scion of an aristocratic Spanish clan.

The Sino influence on Dublin is most evident on Parnell st 
with a hidden social network of people from the same areas 
in China running the place.  They even have Chinese names 
for the streets.  Moore Street is Widow Street because of 
how Moore sounds like widow in Chinese.  There were plans 
for a Chinatown on the Southside parallel to Grafton 
street but no agreement was reached between the (Chinese) 
social powers that be and one just naturally mushroomed on 
the northside.

Most Chinese her are from Dalien, Shenyang or cities in 
Jilin Province.  All northern Chinese from the rust belt 
in North Eastern China.  

The way they operate is identical to how the Irish operate
(d) in New York and Boston.  including protection rackets 
a la mafia.  Instead of concentrating on buying assets 
that are really debts they have little access to Irish 
banks for money and turn internally to lenders and are 
keen to start a business, make a profit and get rid of the 
debt as soon as possible.  

The Chinese have a totally opposite value to money than 
the natives.  Cash, not debt is king.  If you see a 
Chinese driving a Mercedes you can be almost certain that 
he has bought it with cash or sold assets to buy it 
instead of going cap in had to his bank manager.  Which is 
why I would question the Irish banks attitude to the 
Chinese in the first place.  A narrow minded bandying of 
all foreigners together as a bad credit risk when in fact 
certain sectors are historically as an ethnic group are a 
lesser risk.  The banks would have to wise up to this 
growing economic force before they wake up one morning as 
a regional offshoot to the China Construction Bank because 
the American economy fell over and we then ative Irish 
can&#039;t pay for second and third houses in Timbuktoo and 
Antartica and defaulted on the Ferrari repayments.  

A final note.  In a respected provate business school in 
Dublin 9 out of the top 10 performing students in third 
year studying Accounting and Finance are Chinese.  Chinese 
girls.  They may be picking up glasses in the pub or 
cleaning your office after work now but these people are 
even more determined to succeed than the debt ridden 
riding-the-crest-of-a-wave Irish.

  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on the money.  Except maybe a bit lean on the<br />
Chinese influence on the Philippines.  The Chinese<br />
practically own the place.  </p>
<p>Forbes Magazine identified the four Filipino billionaires<br />
as Lucio Tan, with a net worth of US$1.7 billion; Henry<br />
Sy, US$1.5 billion; George Ty, US$1.1 billion; and Jaime<br />
Augusto Zobel de Ayala and family, US$1 billion. The<br />
combined wealth of these Filipino billionaires amounted to<br />
about US$5.3 billion or almost 7 percent of the country&#8217;s<br />
GDP of US$75.2 billion in 2001. The first three<br />
billionaires were immigrants from China while Ayala was a<br />
scion of an aristocratic Spanish clan.</p>
<p>The Sino influence on Dublin is most evident on Parnell st<br />
with a hidden social network of people from the same areas<br />
in China running the place.  They even have Chinese names<br />
for the streets.  Moore Street is Widow Street because of<br />
how Moore sounds like widow in Chinese.  There were plans<br />
for a Chinatown on the Southside parallel to Grafton<br />
street but no agreement was reached between the (Chinese)<br />
social powers that be and one just naturally mushroomed on<br />
the northside.</p>
<p>Most Chinese her are from Dalien, Shenyang or cities in<br />
Jilin Province.  All northern Chinese from the rust belt<br />
in North Eastern China.  </p>
<p>The way they operate is identical to how the Irish operate<br />
(d) in New York and Boston.  including protection rackets<br />
a la mafia.  Instead of concentrating on buying assets<br />
that are really debts they have little access to Irish<br />
banks for money and turn internally to lenders and are<br />
keen to start a business, make a profit and get rid of the<br />
debt as soon as possible.  </p>
<p>The Chinese have a totally opposite value to money than<br />
the natives.  Cash, not debt is king.  If you see a<br />
Chinese driving a Mercedes you can be almost certain that<br />
he has bought it with cash or sold assets to buy it<br />
instead of going cap in had to his bank manager.  Which is<br />
why I would question the Irish banks attitude to the<br />
Chinese in the first place.  A narrow minded bandying of<br />
all foreigners together as a bad credit risk when in fact<br />
certain sectors are historically as an ethnic group are a<br />
lesser risk.  The banks would have to wise up to this<br />
growing economic force before they wake up one morning as<br />
a regional offshoot to the China Construction Bank because<br />
the American economy fell over and we then ative Irish<br />
can&#8217;t pay for second and third houses in Timbuktoo and<br />
Antartica and defaulted on the Ferrari repayments.  </p>
<p>A final note.  In a respected provate business school in<br />
Dublin 9 out of the top 10 performing students in third<br />
year studying Accounting and Finance are Chinese.  Chinese<br />
girls.  They may be picking up glasses in the pub or<br />
cleaning your office after work now but these people are<br />
even more determined to succeed than the debt ridden<br />
riding-the-crest-of-a-wave Irish.</p>
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