Comments on: Ireland can learn lessons from fires in France

By: David R

David R — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:28:54 +0000

Lets not forget that under this government we have 10,000 native Irish in Dublin alone without their own houses altho there are 100,000 houses in the same city laying empty . Since the start of 2007 55 Irish homeless have died on the streets of Dublin and the most of them were under 30 yrs of age. The government leads us to believe that asylum seekers are not getting cars and other benefits although ask many garages and they will show you the cheques from the welfare department, go into bars in town and see the asylum seekers working openly in the toilets (although they are not ment to work) stand outside the sinn feinn office in parnell square in dublin on a Tuesday morning and see 2 coaches pull up full of African women asylum seekers as they go shopping in Arnotts and then get taken back to the old Butlins camp. Why is it that nomatter how much the government get exposed they still get back into power ? surely the Irish people have got a bit of fight left as we are famouse for.
Dureing july to september this year England deported almost 4,000 failed asylum seekers men women and children (that were born in England), we take in 250% more claims (although having no direct routs to Africa or Asia unlike England) than they do but in the hole of this year have only deported less than 300. We have over 11,000 failed asylum seekers still here in Ireland 7,000 of which are Nigerian dateing over the past 6 years. The day after the romanians were deported this year 24 of those came back in and remain here in tents at the back of pheonix park Dublin each one had their passpots stamped when deported and told not to re enter for a period of 4 yrs. They beg in our streets and shout abuse at tourist that dont want to give them monies cant we just stop them coming in ? when the economy collapses we are going to be left with huge welfare bills that the country cant cope with because the government have taken large payrises. Facts in England show that sudanese people are 7 times less likely to look for work than other immigrants, pakistanies are less likely to get employment, Nigerian women like the sudanese are less likely to ever work. In london England their are over 90% immigrants and 3rd and 4th generation africans still claiming welfare although london has at least 2 jobs per capita of london. Africans in London account for more than half of all welfare payments. Here 33% of welfare goes to non nationals 6% to english people that have moved here and 9% to Nigerians. Many of those non nationals that claim wefare here are getting payments for children that are not in the state this was evident recently when statistics were released by the fraud department that found Chinese and African parents claiming for children that are back in their native lands. And the government doesnt think we will have problems in the future? when the Irish realise they are not as rich as they think and the blurred vision has gone and there houses are being taken by banks and they lose there jobs, its then that they will look at the Immigrants in new cars and houses and see what problems are there. I cant wait for the Irish people to wake up.
These people are not the new Irish, how can they be as to be new you have to get rid of the old and we havent got any intetion of going anywhere, jsut because a dog is born in a barn it doesnt make it a horse.

ps sorry for spelling and grammer .

By: david murphy

david murphy — Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:51:24 +0000

David says
The fianna fail mafia have sold this country down the toilet
the religion of this country is not catholicism but fianna failism
the land,the infrastructure, the health service have been sold by
the devil in-carnate, ahern and his political elite cronies.
the bleeding hearts and do-gooders in the media will not
allow anybody to say anything negative about bogus asylum seekers from
sub-saharan africa, who have targeted this country for free everything,
that’s why they keep on coming, one is called a racist because they
see this going on, and nobody is doing anything about it. Its a rudderless ship
it set sail will the corruption of haughey and has continued on its way with ahern
and who-ever this god-father hands the mantle onto. the fianna fail mafia have
allowed this to happen in order to fill the empty properties built by their ‘cute
country builder fraternities’. no stone will be left un-turned in the interest of
profit or greed. The church has suddenly woken up to this, only now after
90 years, Bishop Martin talks about corruption in 3rd world countries, failing
to recognise what has been going on in this country sine 1923,we are a first
world country run by politicians with a third world mentality, its not surprising
that the arrogance of fianna fail knows no end, they are in-vinicible, they are
everywhere, the media, the police, all the top jobs, semi-state bodies etc, etc
its a benign dictatorship, but rotten to the core, as all dictatorships in-evitably are

By: Peter

Peter — Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:11:04 +0000

Its a known fact that multiculturalism has failed in every country in the world and its destined to fail here in Ireland. The media or politicians cant force irish people to accept foreigners if they do not want to accept them. The problem is that multiculturalism is being blossomed by the media without any real honest in depth into its lethality. Irish people cannot become a minority in their own country just to make immigrants happy.

By: mark

mark — Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:00:00 +0000

Immigration is being used to maintain high property values
(as yesterday’s article in the Independent gleefully noted
the eleven thousand migrants a month are not only
preventing a price collapse but are sufficient to also
support the construction of75,000 housing units p/a ).
That Fianna Fail are the political wing of the
construction industry is beyond doubt, but the cannier
elements in the party – most especially the devious
leader – are knowingly following a darker purpose. The
idea of a nation is an anathema to these creatures, and in
one generation their goal of creating a populace so
fragmented that it cannot unite, therefore the most
malleable to the tyranny of industry.

By: Tom Farrell

Tom Farrell — Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:00:00 +0000

Can we have a reality check please!
– Start of rant –
Do you really believe that political leaders in this
country (from any party) can deliver an insightful long-
term vision for Irish society AND back it up with short-
term courage in decision-making? If so, you are truly
deceiving yourself. Most of our neighbours experienced
similar economic and social developments over the past
decades with far more complex societies and far higher
populations, i.e. we have a tremendous opportunity not to
repeat the mistakes of the past for a challenge that is
much smaller in scale/complexity. Are we demonstrating this
ability to learn from the past? Of course not. Look no
further than policies and decisions on road building,
stadium building, transport planning, urban and rural
planning, hospital management, elderly care, child care,
immigration, lobbying by industry vested interests, etc.
The list goes on. Doubtless, there have been advances, but
overall, the level of leadership/insight pales compared to
the pace of unmanaged change in society. Why? Because the
political elite in Ireland have always been myopic – it
stems from the �shur, �tis good enough� mentality that
condones mediocrity and status quo so well. Rude awakenings
occur from time to time but it is always an externality
that kicks them out of the comfort zone, e.g. rip-off
Ireland publicity mocking the Groceries Order, someone
dying on a hospital bed, children being raped by those in
authority, etc. Again, the list goes on. It was ever thus.
– End of rant –
Tom

By: Paul Rux, Ph.D.

Paul Rux, Ph.D. — Mon, 21 Nov 2005 00:00:00 +0000

David, you quoted British historian Alfred Toynbee. His
name was Arnold Toynbee. You however have captured the
essence of his Study of History. This as always is a
great analytical essay. In the end, a society must affirm
its values and believe in them, or it will go under. The
multiculturalism will get us nowhere, as France shows.

By: Bob Moore

Bob Moore — Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:00:00 +0000

I think the government have got it broadly right on
immigration. You can come here to work but you can’t get
benefits for 2 years is a good strategy. That way we get the
good determined immigrants.

Our contnuing growth would have stalled back in 2001 if not
for the continuing influx of immigrants.

I live by the principle that people, regardless of
background have my respect and it is up to them to lose it
rather than the other way round. Try talking to “immigrants”
instead of seeing them as a problem or as a threat – you
will be pleasantly surprised most of the time. This strategy
has served me well and would serve society well too.

By: Paul

Paul — Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:00:00 +0000

Quote of the week on this topic must go to Jay Leno last
night. ” following the riots in Paris I see that the
French government have decided to pull out of France”

By: adrian

adrian — Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:00:00 +0000

Lookin’ fo a job thick mick, can’t you read…
No Irish – No Blacks.

We’ve come along way and its all about human respect.

Its been hard for the French Arabs to earn respect and take
their rightful place in french society when France looks
down upon them.Its important to humanise people and not to
de-humanise via racial prejudice.
Dirty Arab, cottin’ pickin’ nigger, Abo, jewish pig,
theivin’ gypsy b**tard, not forgetting…thick paddy. All
commonly remembered terms of abuse that are no longer
acceptable.
In Ireland here some valuable work has been done reducing
prejudice, showing the human face of the travelling
community.Theres a long way to go but in-roads are being
made.If you don’t believe me check out the local Odeon for
Pavee Lackeen.
In the u.k Coronation Streets Dev, Sineeta and Scooter put
a very nice human face to the Asian community, and aren’t
there a couple of black girls working in underworld!

Tribalism is a natural human tendancy, the old Irish Clans
had manys a tribal feud and we’re finally ACTIVELY moving
to resolve the last few. (Thanks again John Hume.)

Our government must remain active on the guard against
racism. Information broadcasts are helpful. Irish televised
drama has a role to play in introducing and humanising our
new arrivals.

Who will be our first president of Travelling Irish
descent?

By: Dan Hayes

Dan Hayes — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:00:00 +0000

David,

You’ve come a long way compared to your previous
Panglossian gushing over the attributes of immigration to
Ireland. For example, on 13/06/2005 you had never quite got
around to stating as you did today that “there is more to a
society than a labour market.”

This is a big problem. I don’t have a simple solution. But
one that is balderdash is your proposal for some type of
national service.

I am afraid that the best that we can do for now is to
recognize the fact that multiethnic societies are
inherently unstable. Once we recognize this fact, then we
can take whatever measures are possible to alleviate the
malady. Note that I did not say cure, but alleviation.

We in the West have made a faustian bargain, now the bills
are coming due! We in the West are incapable of cutting off
or even rolling back the source of this problem, as we have
become addicted to unfettered immigration.

Enoch Powell’s prediction of rivers of blood has not yet
literally materialized, but just wait!